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kgen

Jun 26th, 2009, 08:13 AM

An unfortunate reality, but you can't really say that it's sad because it's human nature to care about people/events that have had an influence on their lives. Much like how many people would jump in front of a car for their pet, yet not flinch when they hear about deaths on the news. In that respect, how can a the turmoil of a country half way around the world compete with the glory years growing up listening to MJ? It's not particularly reflective of "today's society" in any more a way than, say, teeny bopper music for example... every generation seems to think that it's all downhill from theirs...

Cr0at1a

Jun 26th, 2009, 08:17 AM

Cospa

Jun 26th, 2009, 08:20 AM

I voted MJ, it's just more interesting. News programs need ratings too and they know which news stories people want to watch.

kgen

Jun 26th, 2009, 08:29 AM

MJ IMHO is a "has been freak" who has not done anything in more than two decades while Iran is about the future and something that will really affect the lives of hundreds of millions of people.

So Iran has had it's 15 minutes in the spotlight. It is almost like the news gods are saying "Oh - you in Iran failed your little revolution - you are sooooo boring now".

How many days into the Iranian conflict has it been? How many days have passed since MJ's death? Try to calm down before passing judgement on our society based on half a day's worth of events, eh?

MrDisco

Jun 26th, 2009, 08:34 AM

*snip*

Clearly you have your extreme bias so really what's the point of this thread? To start a flame war?

The purpose of the news is not to satisfy your personal agenda. There is not a single news editor in any medium who would pass up the death of a cultural icon beloved by millions across the planet (despite your prejudice this is a fact).

And in case you missed it, CNN has an entire section devoted to Iran so I'm not exactly sure what you're beef is. Has anything changed in Iran since Monday? Has Ahmadinejad stepped down? A new result in the recount? A new election called? Hmm..no, no, annnnnd no. So what exactly is there to report that deserves top billing?

cube11

Jun 26th, 2009, 08:52 AM

its not what we do..its what you and people in iran do..since the govt came hard ..there are no more huge protests in tehran..everything is starting to fizzle out..face it if nothing significant takes place..world media will move on to the next big story

ever1221

Jun 26th, 2009, 08:59 AM

I dunno if you guys know the definition of the word Legend...its just 2 names

1- MJ
2- Mohammed ALI

and yes ofcourse MJ's death is more important than iran, I dont give a damn about Iran, a legend died and you want people to ignore?

custy

Jun 26th, 2009, 09:10 AM

I think the problem with the Iran issue is the limitations of Western media and journalists in the region to cover the issue.

nano

Jun 26th, 2009, 09:12 AM

i think Micheal Jackson's death will be reported more in Iran then the election protests..

ever1221

Jun 26th, 2009, 09:14 AM

i think Micheal Jackson's death will be reported more in Iran then the election protests..

good point

thelefteyeguy

Jun 26th, 2009, 09:19 AM

chrome_dout

Jun 26th, 2009, 09:24 AM

I'll take MJ over Iran because its not political.
RIP Michael Jackson.

45ED

Jun 26th, 2009, 09:31 AM

how long will it be before the first reported sighting of MJ?

sightings have been dogging Elvis since his death...i think it will be the same for MJ...I will miss the MJ of my teenage years...not so much the one from my adulthood.

RIP

I don't think there will be sightings of MJ as there were of Elvis for one reason only - technology. When Elvis died, the prominent media/technology available amounted to television, radio, and print. The amount of coverage and subsequent spread of his death only could reach so far.

Given that MJ died in these times (re:2000s), we know for sure that he died. There has been far more coverage over MJ and his death than there was of Elvis. Faster, clearer, and more indepth (or pervasive, if you prefer) with not only print, radio, and televised media to report, but improved communication technology (specifically cellphones) and the internet. If the internet wasn't around then we would be less sure of his death. But given that a lot of people were watching/waiting for information through all channels, if you will (me, through a live feed from a press conference), there is less room for doubt.

There will, of course, be the cruel-minded folks who'll dress up as him and actually pretend to be him, but the desire to believe that he faked his death will be not as strong because of the media coverage.

onecelledbrain

Jun 26th, 2009, 09:32 AM

I dunno if you guys know the definition of the word Legend...its just 2 names

1- MJ
2- Mohammed ALI

and yes ofcourse MJ's death is more important than iran, I dont give a *** about Iran, a legend died and you want people to ignore?

>.>

MJ was a baby toucher who virtually changed ethnicity. All illusions of "legend" began to exhaust from his first nose job. IMO

skeletor

Jun 26th, 2009, 09:33 AM

Most people are more moved by the passing of MJ than the same old B.S. happening in Iran.

This is the man who opened the door for other black artists and was the first to start up major charity musical events like Live Aid. The man defined a decade and changed the world. It had more impact on the world than some corrupt Iran election.

ever1221

Jun 26th, 2009, 09:35 AM

>.>
All illusions of "legend" began to exhaust from his first nose job. IMO

Legendary is not based on appearance (how you look)!

Strategy

Jun 26th, 2009, 10:12 AM

Legendary is not based on appearance (how you look)!

+1, he really lives up to his name

Ebola

Jun 26th, 2009, 10:19 AM

I'm far more concerned about unrest in a country than can send the world into a nuclear war than I am about some celebrity kiddy diddler dying.

champlinD

Jun 26th, 2009, 10:21 AM

i can't believe that Michael Jackson dying is getting 24/7 coverage while the Iran election is "old news".

What do you think is more newsworthy?

I personally think this is a very sad sign of today's society.

Hee Hee Hee. Me thinking same.
But reality is Jackson news is big...bigger than Iran...
ANd yes MJ coverage is "Newsworthy".

What you think is right is not always correct.
I still remember The Making of Thriller. I still get goosebumps listening.

What happens in Iran is Far away. Truth is What happens in Eye-Rack and Afghanistan is worse than Eye-Ran. But its far far away and Americans get tired of same old news. MJ was Americans and legend in good and bad ways.
So yes MJ coverage is "Newsworthy".

gilboman

Jun 26th, 2009, 10:23 AM

i can't believe that Michael Jackson dying is getting 24/7 coverage while the Iran election is "old news".

What do you think is more newsworthy?

I personally think this is a very sad sign of today's society.

Michael Jackson is International, Iran election is old news and people are finished caring if they cared at all to begin with. An election happened, it ended, some people unhappy. end of story.

champlinD

Jun 26th, 2009, 10:25 AM

>.>

MJ was a baby toucher who virtually changed ethnicity. All illusions of "legend" began to exhaust from his first nose job. IMO

And still you Read every bit about him.

user01

Jun 26th, 2009, 10:32 AM

Michael Jackson wasn't suppose to die! :twisted:

tonychau

Jun 26th, 2009, 10:41 AM

If MJ did what you said, you think he would not be in jail instead?

I'm far more concerned about unrest in a country than can send the world into a nuclear war than I am about some celebrity kiddy diddler dying.

>.>

MJ was a baby toucher who virtually changed ethnicity. All illusions of "legend" began to exhaust from his first nose job. IMO

shannn

Jun 26th, 2009, 10:49 AM

Different people have different strength of opinions based on what is most salient in their minds.

The "most important" news to someone will always be what is most salient to them. For the majority of North Americans, that would be MJ since he was so revolutionary in what he did for the music industry (and who doesn't listen to music that wasn't the least bit influenced by MJ? Only a modest few IMO)

But of course, if you have family in Iran, are Iranian, or feel more moved about human rights issues at the present moment, Iran will be more salient (and thus "more important") to you.

It is like if a close family member dies, it doesn't matter what news is going on, that will be the "most important" news of your life.

I personally voted MJ because he was a huge part of my dancing life when I was younger. Doesn't mean Iran isn't important to me (trust me, it is), just that the MJ news is at the "forefront" right now

mysticalinfluence

Jun 26th, 2009, 10:51 AM

Where is the option for either? We need choice for us that don't care about either.

hagbard

Jun 26th, 2009, 10:56 AM

The Neocons (and the unsophisticated) are working overtime to focus everyone's attention on Iran, so three cheers for dead Michael Jackson (that's Michael not Micheal).

BTW, this is Politics.

toalan

Jun 26th, 2009, 10:59 AM

Princess Di and mother theressa died around the same time, sad to see no one gave a sh*t about mother theressa.

Billa-786

Jun 26th, 2009, 10:59 AM

The news on Iran is biased heavily in favour of the opposition which after a while gets dull and people pick up on it.

The people supporting Ahmedinajad are hardly shown on TV.....surely there must be tons of his supporters as he is somewhat popular even if it is to be believed the election was rigged in his favour. People...americans particularly...can identify more with MJ than with Iran. Hilarious Daily Show episode few days back showing Americans' general knowledge of Iran.

_Allan_

Jun 26th, 2009, 11:05 AM

Farah Fawcett isn't getting ANY news coverage! I'd rather see info on her ...

Then again, this Jackson crap is gonna get old REAL REAL fast.

Frankie3s

Jun 26th, 2009, 11:06 AM

I see people voting for Micheal - can you tell us why?

I was watching CBC Newsworld and the host said "Really the only important news around the world today"

I don't get it - why?

So seeing the Thriller video (which I can't stand) is more important than learning how the Iranian Secret Police are shooting protestors who want real democracy and freedom in Iran.

We're no different (sending people to Syria to be tortured) and since most people are immigrants anyways (including my parents) they were used to the secret police doing these kind of things back home and simply lived with it (the police even killed a guy at the airport in BC for Christ's sake and got away with it) . I think the MJ story has become so important because he has directly effected everyone in some way with his music making people think they know him.

time space

Jun 26th, 2009, 11:08 AM

You don't find it odd that western media all of a sudden took an interest in domestic Iranian politics?!?

Like all modern news, both stories are just distractions from what's really going on.

45ED

Jun 26th, 2009, 11:12 AM

Farah Fawcett isn't getting ANY news coverage! I'd rather see info on her ...

Then again, this Jackson crap is gonna get old REAL REAL fast.

The most coverage she's received (on the Toronto Star website, anyhow) is in the feature section which links to her obituary (left side, mid way down the webpage). I'm getting tired of the news covering MJ's death and the already started stream of conspiracies surrounding his death. The news will last as long as the fans are willing to hang on (re:a long time).

hagbard

Jun 26th, 2009, 11:23 AM

You don't find it odd that western media all of a sudden took an interest in domestic Iranian politics?!?

Like all modern news, both stories are just distractions from what's really going on.

Just like they did when Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and Afghanistan was the source of the 9/11 hijackers. Herding the sheep.

abu_sme

Jun 26th, 2009, 11:33 AM

Princess Di and mother theressa died around the same time, sad to see no one gave a sh*t about mother theressa.

Yeah, they died within 24 hours of each other. Good riddance though, Mother Terresa was a cruel old hag.

I was really hoping the news casts were wrong because it appeared to be a rumour only but alas it is true.

Unless Michael didn't die, got more crazy plastic surgery and was helicoptered to some remote island somewhere.:lol:

bigbug

Jun 26th, 2009, 11:38 AM

I vote Michael Jackson.

What happened in Iran happens everywhere in the world, every day. At least they have a vote. Don't forget Chinese can't even elect their mayor.

_Allan_

Jun 26th, 2009, 11:40 AM

All I have to say to Jackson is this: Rest in Hell you pedophile.

flexwong

Jun 26th, 2009, 11:41 AM

when people say MJ, i think of michael jordan.

hagbard

Jun 26th, 2009, 11:41 AM

I vote Michael Jackson.

What happened in Iran happens everywhere in the world, every day. At least they have a vote. Don't forget Chinese can't even elect their major.

We can't elect our "majors" here either. ;)

ever1221

Jun 26th, 2009, 11:43 AM

All I have to say to Jackson is this: Rest in Hell you pedophile.

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nano

Jun 26th, 2009, 11:44 AM

Yeah, they died within 24 hours of each other. Good riddance though, Mother Terresa was a cruel old hag.

I was really hoping the news casts were wrong because it appeared to be a rumour only but alas it is true.

Unless Michael didn't die, got more crazy plastic surgery and was helicoptered to some remote island somewhere.:lol:

I was discussing this with a friend list night.... It's possible they faked his death... There was a picture of him on a strecher that could have been a wax figure.

bigbug

Jun 26th, 2009, 11:45 AM

We can't elect our "majors" here either. ;)

typo...fixed :)

Ebola

Jun 26th, 2009, 11:52 AM

If MJ did what you said, you think he would not be in jail instead?

Did OJ go to jail? The legal system is far from perfect.

elton5354

Jun 26th, 2009, 12:00 PM

I picked MJ because I'm ignorant of what's happening in Iran. :razz:

yucksta

Jun 26th, 2009, 12:05 PM

michael jackson was a global icon, pop culture trendsetter and world renowned freak show

it's completely understandable why his story would get more coverage globally than iran's post-election chaos. maybe not "right", but definitely understandable. michael is closer and more familiar to a lot people than iran is.

i also think there are plenty of ahmednejad supporters in iran, but they do not come from the wealthy urbanized classes of northern tehran who tend to gravitate more towards western ideals and fashions, so of course his supporters aren't going to get much publicity from western news sources.

and remember mousavi isn't the liberal or much of a reformist, he just became a symbol. he was close supporter of the ayatollah ruhollah khoemini

Chew300ZX

Jun 26th, 2009, 12:15 PM

It's no secret that news networks care most about two key elements in determining the prominance of an issue - how much the public will care and thus tune in, and how recent a news item is.

Iran's regime is no one's favorite, and the fact that they would treat their citizens as they have is no big surprise to anyone, as horrific as it is. Add to that the fact that the protests were settling down and had been ongoing for a long time (elections were 2 weeks ago) and you can easily see how it was getting bumped down over time. Jackson just died less that 24 hours ago and despite his problems, was hugely popular.

All that being said, of course Iran's election is more important!

But you know what I think Canadians should be paying more attention to - Romeo LeBlanc, former Governor General, politician, and beloved Canadian has truly gotten lost in the shuffle. The Right Honourable LeBlanc died just two days ago. People should be taking some time to reflect on how he impacted our nation and influenced the Canada we know today. We need more people like him.

nano

Jun 26th, 2009, 12:24 PM

Did OJ go to jail? The legal system is far from perfect.

FYI..... OJ was convicted of armed robbery and he is or will soon be in Jail....

abu_sme

Jun 26th, 2009, 12:40 PM

I was discussing this with a friend list night.... It's possible they faked his death... There was a picture of him on a strecher that could have been a wax figure.

This is why I think that there will be claimed MJ sightings much like Elvis sighting. There are even conspiracy theories about Tupac still being alive and he wasn't even that influential.

It would be understandable if MJ wanted to fake his own death and disappear from the lime light, but in the era of camera phone, CCTV and the internet I don't know how it could be pulled off.

hagbard

Jun 26th, 2009, 12:50 PM

It would be understandable if MJ wanted to fake his own death and disappear from the lime light, but in the era of camera phone, CCTV and the internet I don't know how it could be pulled off.

http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:L1BXxmnA71D_BM:http://www.tlcreativedesign.com/michael-jackson.jpg

You were saying?

Cr0at1a

Jun 26th, 2009, 01:05 PM

thomsonst780

Jun 26th, 2009, 01:09 PM

MJ IMHO is a "has been freak" who has not done anything in more than two decades while Iran is about the future and something that will really affect the lives of hundreds of millions of people.

So Iran has had it's 15 minutes in the spotlight. It is almost like the news gods are saying "Oh - you in Iran failed your little revolution - you are sooooo boring now".

You are such a hate filled person. No wonder you won't share the road with bicycles and enjoy practicing fascist symbols.

Ebola

Jun 26th, 2009, 01:09 PM

FYI..... OJ was convicted of armed robbery and he is or will soon be in Jail....

I know, my post was refering to the first time.

There's a big difference between and acquital and "innocence".

Like I said tho, I don't care about MJ. I'm certainly more concerned about Iran imploding. For selfish reasons. Not that I really care about Iranians plight either.

thomsonst780

Jun 26th, 2009, 01:10 PM

I know, my post says the first time.

There's a big difference between and acquital and "innocence".

The greatest ills of our society are caused when people draw their own conclusions with but a shred of evidence.

nano

Jun 26th, 2009, 01:13 PM

Jughead_Jones

Jun 26th, 2009, 01:29 PM

I can't believe that the vote is 76% for MJ

I think most of you are just being jokers

in the grand scheme of this her was ONE person making music (which some people would say is crap-pop) - while Iran affects hundreds of millions of lives potentially.

Both very important issues, imo. MJ affected hundreds of millions of lives, as well. Probably the most influential artist of all time. I know plenty of people who have no clue what's going on in Iran.

But everybody knows Michael...

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3613/gifbinmichaelmoonwalkin.gif

yucksta

Jun 26th, 2009, 01:50 PM

conspiracy #10080: ahmednejad had the king of pop taken out to deflect global attention from iran to his death..

gei

Jun 26th, 2009, 01:53 PM

i can't believe that Michael Jackson dying is getting 24/7 coverage while the Iran election is "old news".

What do you think is more newsworthy?

I personally think this is a very sad sign of today's society.

The issue in Iran is obviously MUCH more important than MJ's death. But news networks don't care about importance.... they care about ratings.

jetway1212

Jun 26th, 2009, 01:56 PM

I can't believe that the vote is 76% for MJ

I think most of you are just being jokers

in the grand scheme of this her was ONE person making music (which some people would say is crap-pop) - while Iran affects hundreds of millions of lives potentially.

Iran should be thankful that they even got elections or protest..

There are other bigger issues in the world. Burma,North Korea...etc.

Btw, good luck getting ppl attetion with such attitude. I guess you're one of those Siklanka protesters

skeletor

Jun 26th, 2009, 02:12 PM

The issue in Iran is obviously MUCH more important than MJ's death. But news networks don't care about importance.... they care about ratings.

The stuff going on in Iran is the same crap in the entire middle east for the past decade and more.. I for one am sick of hearing about oppressive Muslim extremists every damn day.

Bzji

Jun 26th, 2009, 02:21 PM

because the protest is a lot of hot gas and not a lot of result..frankly its been on the news for like 2 weeks already....we're desensitized...

MJ...now THAT"S new!!!

Bzji

Jun 26th, 2009, 02:22 PM

The stuff going on in Iran is the same crap in the entire middle east for the past decade and more.. I for one am sick of hearing about oppressive Muslim extremists every damn day.

Hear hear.

Cr0at1a

Jun 26th, 2009, 03:14 PM

The stuff going on in Iran is the same crap in the entire middle east for the past decade and more.. I for one am sick of hearing about oppressive Muslim extremists every damn day.

But this is like the Orange Revolution in Ukraine. They want to boot out the extremists so that they can have a more democratic society and more free society.

If Iran youth can succeed then they will be a good example for others in MIddle East and the world would be a better place.

As for MJ - IMHO no big loss.

skeletor

Jun 26th, 2009, 03:20 PM

But this is like the Orange Revolution in Ukraine. They want to boot out the extremists so that they can have a more democratic society and more free society.

If Iran youth can succeed then they will be a good example for others in MIddle East and the world would be a better place.

As for MJ - IMHO no big loss.

Yes, we all saw what happened with china.. a lot of civil movements go nowhere and take many decades/centuries to go anywhere..
this week it's all just hot air in Iran..

I'll take the MJ news this week over islamic stuff which I'm sure will fill up news headlines for the next decade.
considering MJ built the 80's culture I was born in, I would be foolish to ignore his death in favour of the same middle east crap always in the news.

judging by the polls at 75%+ in favour of MJ, I'm not alone on this.

hagbard

Jun 26th, 2009, 03:22 PM

FYI: If I were Iranian, I would have voted for Ahmednejad as well. I, for one, think he did win by a majority. Voting for him is like sending an enormous finger to USofIsrael and all the sheeple that follow their orchestrated "events".

Dash

Jun 26th, 2009, 03:26 PM

forget Iran. MJ made Thriller. Thriller! That alone is greater than the Iran elections. I'm not going to lie and pretend like I care about the Iran elections.

gilboman

Jun 26th, 2009, 03:26 PM

As for MJ - IMHO no big loss.

obviously majority here and around the world do not shares your view since MJ is much more important to them than Iran. As evident in the coverage worldwide and its extent.

skeletor

Jun 26th, 2009, 03:28 PM

people will forget about Iran elections over time..

nobody will forget about thriller, dare I say until our civilization ends..

Dash

Jun 26th, 2009, 03:29 PM

I can't believe that the vote is 76% for MJ

I think most of you are just being jokers

in the grand scheme of this her was ONE person making music (which some people would say is crap-pop) - while Iran affects hundreds of millions of lives potentially.

yea, but the music he made affected millions of people, paved the way for many of the artists we have today (as well as the music we hear), and broke down racial barriers in mainstream music.

deuce

Jun 26th, 2009, 03:32 PM

the easy solution would be to change the iranian national anthem to thriller.
then everyone would be happy.
iran would get its spotlight, mj would he his recognition. world peace would ensue.

nano

Jun 26th, 2009, 03:35 PM

the easy solution would be to change the iranian national anthem to thriller.
then everyone would be happy.
iran would get its spotlight, mj would he his recognition. world peace would ensue.

this is the best solution to the issue at hand

ClubberLang

Jun 26th, 2009, 03:36 PM

"newsworthines" and "importance" are not the same thing.

This thread title is stupid. Michael Jackson is possibly the most famous man in human history.

How could anyone be surprised he is getting this much coverage? And yes Iran is still getting lotsa coverage in the traditional world News. The reason you are getting more media coverage about Jackson is that entertainment publications/shows are covering the story as well.

45ED

Jun 26th, 2009, 03:39 PM

shannn

Jun 26th, 2009, 03:43 PM

I'm not religious, but I figure someone like, y'know, Jesus would be the most famous man in human history.

Amen to that!

ClubberLang

Jun 26th, 2009, 03:54 PM

I'm not religious, but I figure someone like, y'know, Jesus would be the most famous man in human history. Written/oral history, anyways. :lol:

we are talking about people that actually existed. :P

ClubberLang

Jun 26th, 2009, 03:55 PM

Amen to that!

but seriously it is debatable. I would argue that most peopl,e if quizzed, could quote more Michael Jackson lyrics than things said by Jesus.

Imran DeRoy

Jun 26th, 2009, 03:59 PM

People caring more about MJ is being more honest. All the Twitterers purring and cheering about how much they identify with the Iranian people - don't, not really.

People grew up with MJ, they're going to consider his death at least significant.

And this talk about today's society; frankly, people today are more humanitarian-minded when it comes to other societies, far more, than they were in decades past, especially during the so-called 'Greatest Generation's time.

BobSaget

Jun 26th, 2009, 04:14 PM

Michael Jackson > Ahmadinejad

It's not surprising to know that more people care about the greatest entertainer than a brutal dictator.

Cr0at1a

Jun 26th, 2009, 04:15 PM

"newsworthines" and "importance" are not the same thing.

This thread title is stupid. Michael Jackson is possibly the most famous man in human history.

MJ dying today is like Elvis dying when he was the Fat Elvis.

He made some music - OK...
... but the fact that he was a REAL FREAK overshadows everything else.

I am into Metal so really don't care much for MJ.

Dash

Jun 26th, 2009, 04:21 PM

MJ dying today is like Elvis dying when he was the Fat Elvis.

He made some music - OK...
... but the fact that he was a REAL FREAK overshadows everything else.

I am into Metal so really don't care much for MJ.

Your understanding of who he is is from media portrayal and his apperance. you don't know him or what his life was like. How can you pass judgement on someone you don't know? and to say it after he just passed away is in poor taste.

ClubberLang

Jun 26th, 2009, 04:31 PM

IntegrationByParts

Jun 26th, 2009, 04:54 PM

MJ dying today is like Elvis dying when he was the Fat Elvis.

He made some music - OK...
... but the fact that he was a REAL FREAK overshadows everything else.

I am into Metal so really don't care much for MJ.
Just because you don't like his music doesn't mean everyone else doesn't. The world doesn't revolve around you.

Cr0at1a

Jun 26th, 2009, 04:54 PM

Your understanding of who he is is from media portrayal and his apperance. you don't know him or what his life was like. How can you pass judgement on someone you don't know? and to say it after he just passed away is in poor taste.

I agree that I don't know him - I was not his friend and he was not my friend.

I know he was a freak (we all do) because of what we saw on the news.

Since he was not my friend then him dying really does not affect me much.

Once again - I will state that in the last 20 years he has not created anything.
He died as a "has-been". A dumb has-been who squandered everything he created.

Just because you don't like his music doesn't mean everyone else doesn't. The world doesn't revolve around you.

I know a lot of people that don't like him.
Even back in the Thriller days NONE of my friends bought his album.

There is a lot of Pop-Hype around this guy.

In the same way the world does not revovle around you because you like him.

IntegrationByParts

Jun 26th, 2009, 05:00 PM

LOL...

Okay, well put it this way... considering the mass media coverage on Michael Jackson, I would say there are more people who care then those who don't (such as you and your friends)

And the poll you've set up to try and disprove it doesn't seem to be working in your favor

Cr0at1a

Jun 26th, 2009, 05:05 PM

Just because the media creates this distraction does not mean that everyone cares.

Do you REALLY think that the media gives an accurate and factual representation of what happens? Oh I forgot out of 350,000,000 people in the US a few thousand leave candles here and there and a few people cry on TV that EVERYONE really cares?

First think you need to realize is that the media is not here to educate you today the role of the media is to influence you and manipulate you. Look at who owns big media - it is mega-corporations. Corporations are sociopathic entities that only care about themselves.

This is yet another "Bread and Circusses" freakshow which is designed to distract you from the important things in life. What are you being distracted from? The fact that the world is doing nothing to support the Iranian people in their quest for freedom.

This week was time for the US and EU to "piss or get off the pot" in regards to Iran. The Iranian people did what they could on their end (to create a more free society) and we the West did nothing to help them. The US and EU did not have the testicular fortitude to do anything and now the media jumps on this fortuitous event for them because now we are all distracted from our failure.

Dash

Jun 26th, 2009, 05:13 PM

I agree that I don't know him - I was not his friend and he was not my friend.

I know he was a freak (we all do) because of what we saw on the news.

Just because the media creates this distraction does not mean that everyone cares.

Do you REALLY think that the media gives an accurate and factual representation of what happens? Oh I forgot out of 350,000,000 people in the US a few thousand leave candles here and there and a few people cry on TV that EVERYONE really cares?

First think you need to realize is that the media is not here to educate you today the role of the media is to influence you and manipulate you. Look at who owns big media - it is mega-corporations. Corporations are sociopathic entities that only care about themselves.

way to contradict yourself. :rolleyes:

sxz

Jun 26th, 2009, 05:19 PM

I'm not religious, but I figure someone like, y'know, Jesus would be the most famous man in human history. Written/oral history, anyways. :lol:

Comparing Jesus to MJ is just unfair. Jesus can't even touch MJ.

Dash

Jun 26th, 2009, 05:22 PM

Comparing Jesus to MJ is just unfair. Jesus can't even touch MJ.

Jesus can walk on water. MJ can moonwalk. It's a tough one....

MrDisco

Jun 26th, 2009, 06:14 PM

but the fact that he was a REAL FREAK overshadows everything else.

False. MJ's music will last forever, long after you and your type are around to dance on his grave pointing out his shortcomings.

I am into Metal so really don't care much for MJ.

As I said in my first response, your prejudice on this topic is clearly evident.

I know he was a freak (we all do) because of what we saw on the news.

So on the one hand you're ready and willing to listen to what the news says, and yet...

[/quote]Do you REALLY think that the media gives an accurate and factual representation of what happens? [/quote]

That sound you're hearing? It's the cogs in your brain trying to come up with a way out on that one.

Once again - I will state that in the last 20 years he has not created anything.

It's what he did in the first 30 years of his life that matters.

I know a lot of people that don't like him.

Your definition of a lot is infinitesimal compared to the number of fans he has world wide.

Just because the media creates this distraction does not mean that everyone cares.

Now we come to the heart of the matter - the tin foil hat media conspiracy that they somehow influence how every one must think and act.

Do you REALLY think that the media gives an accurate and factual representation of what happens?

If that is true, then again I ask what is the point of this thread? You started of bemoaning the fact that Iran's election was bumped off and now you're complaining that the news is in a conspiracy to keep the masses docile. Surely if we can't trust the news then it wouldn't matter what stories are placed on the front page.

First think you need to realize is that the media is not here to educate you today the role of the media is to influence you and manipulate you. Look at who owns big media - it is mega-corporations. Corporations are sociopathic entities that only care about themselves.

Evidence off the tin foil hat brigade in full force. Is there really any need for this thread at this point?

DeimosBeros

Jun 26th, 2009, 06:20 PM

Hmmmm, I wonder why many of you weren't celebrating his music when he was alive......it's almost like buying the biggest tombstone and most expensive flowers for the uncle you never cared about.

konfusion666

Jun 26th, 2009, 06:21 PM

But this is like the Orange Revolution in Ukraine. They want to boot out the extremists so that they can have a more democratic society and more free society.

LOL... it's not like that at all. Mir-Hossein Mousavi *IS* an establishment figure, not an anti-establishment figure. Previously, he was buddy-buddy with Ayatollah Khomeini. Then they had a falling-out. Really, what's currently going on in Iran (at least at the higher levels) is an inner power struggle between figures of the establishment.

Sort of like the inner power struggle in the Canadian Alliance party of 2001... or the Paul Martin vs. Jean Chretien feud of the late 90's.

Only difference is Persians get a little more worked up about such things. ;)

You are kidding yourself if you think this is anything like the Orange Revolution.

emjhay

Jun 26th, 2009, 06:24 PM

who cares about the voting......
like honestly, they were screwed from the start.

es-jeruk

Jun 26th, 2009, 06:31 PM

Well, Michael Jackson is obviously more important news for me, since I don't really care about most of political news. Pardon my ignorance

hagbard

Jun 26th, 2009, 06:36 PM

This week was time for the US and EU to "piss or get off the pot" in regards to Iran. The Iranian people did what they could on their end (to create a more free society) and we the West did nothing to help them. The US and EU did not have the testicular fortitude to do anything and now the media jumps on this fortuitous event for them because now we are all distracted from our failure.

The west will soon do their part buy dropping nukes on them. That's what all the B&C currently going on in Iran is about.

Peckerwood

Jun 26th, 2009, 06:39 PM

Hmmm...whose death is more iconic?

:rolleyes:

http://www.webcastr.com/thumbnails/videos/Iranian-Woman-killed-Dead-In-the-Street-Graphic-webcastr.JPG

http://gyantunplugged.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/400_mjackson_ambulance_090625.jpg

yucksta

Jun 26th, 2009, 07:19 PM

LOL... it's not like that at all. Mir-Hossein Mousavi *IS* an establishment figure, not an anti-establishment figure. Previously, he was buddy-buddy with Ayatollah Khomeini. Then they had a falling-out. Really, what's currently going on in Iran (at least at the higher levels) is an inner power struggle between figures of the establishment.

Sort of like the inner power struggle in the Canadian Alliance party of 2001... or the Paul Martin vs. Jean Chretien feud of the late 90's.

Only difference is Persians get a little more worked up about such things. ;)

You are kidding yourself if you think this is anything like the Orange Revolution.

Exactly.

abu_sme

Jun 26th, 2009, 07:28 PM

Hmmmm, I wonder why many of you weren't celebrating his music when he was alive......it's almost like buying the biggest tombstone and most expensive flowers for the uncle you never cared about.

Ummm let's see here. He was one of the best selling musician of all time selling 750 million records worldwide. Having nearly 1 in 5 people (by 1980s to 1990s standards) buy your records is pretty damn remarkable. Do you not consider that celebrating his music? He hasn't put out any good records for a long time, but it is wrong to ignore the huge influence that he has had.

Cr0at1a

Jun 26th, 2009, 09:36 PM

False. MJ's music will last forever, long after you and your type are around to dance on his grave pointing out his shortcomings

Tell me this - who was the top selling musician in 1920 and 1930s?

I bet you don't know and don't listen to it.

How many of you still listen to Elvis?
Probably not many.

In 20 years MJ will be equally forgotten.
You might remember the name but people will not listen to the music.

Which music do you think will endure longer?

1. Led Zepellin
2. Micheal Jackson

You 18 year olds think that what you are familiar with will last forever.
Those of us a bit older know that everything gets forgotten once there is a new fashion trend.

social change in Iran will benefit more people and last longer than anything MJ ever did.

Shimso

Jun 26th, 2009, 09:59 PM

As long as people follow cable news like sheep (FOX, CNN, etc.) we can continue to expect piss poor coverage of important issues.

Vashin

Jun 26th, 2009, 10:21 PM

learn to spell led zeppelin... and Van Halen's solo in beat it is one of the best. If you think MJ is any less important than zeppelin in the landscape of music you're an idiot. Well it kinda is apparent you are one

nano

Jun 26th, 2009, 10:52 PM

Tell me this - who was the top selling musician in 1920 and 1930s?

I bet you don't know and don't listen to it.

How many of you still listen to Elvis?
Probably not many.

In 20 years MJ will be equally forgotten.
You might remember the name but people will not listen to the music.

Which music do you think will endure longer?

1. Led Zepellin
2. Micheal Jackson

You 18 year olds think that what you are familiar with will last forever.
Those of us a bit older know that everything gets forgotten once there is a new fashion trend.

social change in Iran will benefit more people and last longer than anything MJ ever did.

MJ will survive way longer then LZ.... MJ was the type of artist that was able to perform in communist states.... if you go to a Iraq or Cuba or Tibet heck you can go to a native tribe in the amazon jungle if you play thriller or bad to a person that can't speak a word of English they will know its Micheal Jackson and im willing to bet they will know the words to the song as well...

Micheal Jackson is great because his music is TIMELESS!!

skeletor

Jun 26th, 2009, 10:59 PM

this is a troll thread that should have been locked

Nettles

Jun 26th, 2009, 10:59 PM

cheeseshredder

Jun 26th, 2009, 11:03 PM

Tell me this - who was the top selling musician in 1920 and 1930s?

I bet you don't know and don't listen to it.

How many of you still listen to Elvis?
Probably not many.

In 20 years MJ will be equally forgotten.
You might remember the name but people will not listen to the music.

Which music do you think will endure longer?

1. Led Zepellin
2. Micheal Jackson

You 18 year olds think that what you are familiar with will last forever.
Those of us a bit older know that everything gets forgotten once there is a new fashion trend.

social change in Iran will benefit more people and last longer than anything MJ ever did.

From your threads on RFD, I get the impression that you think you're better than everyone because of the way you think. However, there are obvious gaps in your logic that people keep pointing out, but you don't see them. It is this reason that you come off as rather immature and naive about things.

And before you label me as one, I'm not a Michael Jackson fan.

Cr0at1a

Jun 26th, 2009, 11:11 PM

Attack the argument and not the man.

You can't overcome my points so you attack me.
The fact that you feel inferior is not my problem.

Cr0at1a

Jun 26th, 2009, 11:13 PM

I think the real news is what's happening with the federal reserve in the US who now have the ability to seize any company or business like your local hot dog vendor fascist Mussolini style. But these stories are a great distraction aren't they >_>

OK - I did not know about this - tell us more

williamsauga

Jun 26th, 2009, 11:14 PM

whats iran?

Wall2Wall

Jun 26th, 2009, 11:34 PM

Lmfao quote of the year. And I normally dont post ot. MJ forever. I personally care more about him than Iran. As rude as it sounds, your typical citizen really DOES NOT CARE as long as its not happening to them. Sorry for whats happening down there though.

Jesus can walk on water. MJ can moonwalk. It's a tough one....

cheeseshredder

Jun 26th, 2009, 11:40 PM

Attack the argument and not the man.

You can't overcome my points so you attack me.
The fact that you feel inferior is not my problem.

Inferior.. okay. So do you think this way as a self-defense mechanism to protect your ego?

I just thought I would be nice and tell you why you're not taken seriously, your choice to accept it or not.

Anyway, how about coming up with a proper argument with points that are worthwhile in discussing ;)?

Bzji

Jun 27th, 2009, 02:33 AM

Attack the argument and not the man.

You can't overcome my points so you attack me.
The fact that you feel inferior is not my problem.

"baahh..wahhh...everyone pay attention to meeeeeee!!!!"

TROLLL alert.

From the poll, clearly majority of the ppl voted for MJ....yet OP don't want to let it go. Sounds like Iranian election to me..haha:lol:

artsreview

Jun 27th, 2009, 02:45 AM

"baahh..wahhh...everyone pay attention to meeeeeee!!!!"

TROLLL alert.

From the poll, clearly majority of the ppl voted for MJ....yet OP don't want to let it go. Sounds like Iranian election to me..haha:lol:

Classic! :lol: Hey, OP, you succeeded in making us understand what Iran's all about! :arrowu::arrowu::arrowu:

jjfz3000

Jun 27th, 2009, 03:01 AM

i can't believe that Michael Jackson dying is getting 24/7 coverage while the Iran election is "old news".

What do you think is more newsworthy?

I personally think this is a very sad sign of today's society.

How is it sad?

1. Micheal Jackson is a North American cultural icon.
2. His death was a surprise. Do you really expect Iran to have an absolutely free election? It's mere confirmation of what I had predicted rather than news.

Also, Iran has its right to exercise its sovereignty. The news is interesting... but not for two weeks.

BobSaget

Jun 27th, 2009, 03:06 AM

It's impossible to predict how far MJ's popularity will reach into the future but we can say for certain that he is the most popular entertainer of the last 30 years based on album sales and fan reaction.

Michael Jackson was far more popular on a global scale than Elvis. Elvis' fanbase is predominantly white Americans but Michael's popularity knows no bounds. And no, Michael Jackson will not be forgotten in 20 years. Elvis died 32 years ago and he is still one of the most recognized music icons in the world (one of the richest too considering his royalties add up to tens of millions of dollars each year). Michael Jackson didn't tour for about 12 years but once news of his planned comeback tour came to light, 750,000 tickets were sold in a few hours. To achieve that sort of attention, after essentially remaining stagnant for 12 years in the music business, is just mind boggling. Michael's plethora of hardcore fans will never forget the King of Pop. Sorry, Cr0at1a, you're wrong.

As for the ongoing revolution in Iran, their affairs will not cease because of MJ's death, and there's almost nothing we can do about it unless Obama tries to intervene.

But hey, Michael Jackson was a Muslim; Iranians are Muslim, so at least the Iranians can celebrate the life and death of one of their 'own'.

LonesomeDove

Jun 27th, 2009, 04:16 AM

I was around when Elvis died and the news coverage was not even close to what they are giving to Michael Jackson. His death was not even on the front page of the Vancouver Sun; it was on page 5 or 6. CTV national news gave him 5 minutes on the national news. Today, most of the CTV news was devoted to Michael. CNN has him 24/7 and all the major networks have specials on him. But then we did not have the internet with all the social networking or the entertainment shows like ET back then.

As to whether Elvis or Michael Jackson is the greatest entertainment icon of all time, who is to say since both of them change pop culture. Elvis influenced all the classic rock artists like The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Bruce Springsteen, and many others who later influenced the current pop/rock artists. And Michael Jackson has left a great legacy, especially the marriage between video and music.

Elvis, at the time of his death, was not really relevent in the music industry. He was out of of touch with mainstream society. Often the butt of jokes because of his weight problem. But his stature has risen since his death with him becoming the wealthest dead entertainer. Actually, Elvis is more popular outside the USA today with fans worldwide, stretching from Europe to Asia.
People from countries like England, Gemany, and Japan travel to Graceland every year. So he is an international star, not only to white Americans.

freeonboard

Jun 27th, 2009, 05:23 AM

Yes, he was a pedophile who harmed children but he also gave pleasure to millions. The fact that he is an icon says a lot about how decadent our culture is.

Jun 27th, 2009, 06:48 AM

You're all wrong. The most important person in history is still with us.

It's Oprah.

More important than Michael Jackson, Jesus or Iran.

/thread

http://www.funnyphotos.co.za/images/celeb/Oprah.jpg

I'm not religious, but I figure someone like, y'know, Jesus would be the most famous man in human history. Written/oral history, anyways. :lol:

Amen to that!

we are talking about people that actually existed. :P

but seriously it is debatable. I would argue that most peopl,e if quizzed, could quote more Michael Jackson lyrics than things said by Jesus.

hagbard

Jun 27th, 2009, 06:55 AM

gilboman

Jun 27th, 2009, 11:04 AM

Yes, he was a pedophile who harmed children but he also gave pleasure to millions. The fact that he is an icon says a lot about how decadent our culture is.

how was he a pedophile:confused:

him being a pedophile is no more supported than saying you are a mass murderer and bin ladin's gay lover

BadDrafter

Jun 27th, 2009, 11:22 AM

Attack the argument and not the man.

You can't overcome my points so you attack me.
The fact that you feel inferior is not my problem.

Attacking an ad hominem with an ad hominem. Classic.

RIP Jacko.

LonesomeDove

Jun 27th, 2009, 01:53 PM

how was he a pedophile:confused:

him being a pedophile is no more supported than saying you are a mass murderer and bin ladin's gay lover

Yes, but the average guy is not brought before the court on charges of child molestation. Paying off the first kid sure makes him look guilty. Where there is smoke, there's fire.

hagbard

Jun 27th, 2009, 01:55 PM

Yes, but the average guy is not brought before the court on charges of child molestation. Paying off the first kid sure makes him look guilty. Where there is smoke, there's fire.

Hey, didn't adult Elvis marry a 13 year old?

abu_sme

Jun 27th, 2009, 02:26 PM

Yes, but the average guy is not brought before the court on charges of child molestation. Paying off the first kid sure makes him look guilty. Where there is smoke, there's fire.

I think that there is no question that MJ had bad judgement and let himself get too close to children, but I don't think he is a pedophile. It's the kid's parents taking advantage of the situation and getting a buck for themselves. MJ paid them off to make it go away, but the second time it went to criminal court and he was found not guilty. But it really all came down to money.

M & M

Jun 27th, 2009, 02:45 PM

Haven't read all the previous posts but I am not surprised by the results of the poll with more people voting for MJ.

My feeling is that most of us have always lived with freedom and democracy making us somehow unaware on how important those are. We take them for granted. We are willing to lay down and cope with dictatorships (North Korea, Cuba, China, Vietnam, Sudan, Zimbabwe, Libya, Syria, etc.) around the world without even expressing a small disgust.

Most of us cannot and will never fully understand what it is not to be able to speak freely, to move around freely, to gather, to protest, to disagree with the government or the head of state, to have justice and security.

I was not born in this country but I feel great pride in being a citizen of this country where over half a century ago, we stood up against dictatorships and fascism. Blood were shed and the sacrifices given by the men and the women then, give us the liberty, freedom and every other things we have today.

I like MJ music and I felt sad when hearing of his death but I am so much more saddened to see how his death had overshadowed the fight of those courageous men and women who are currently scarifying themselves over there, in IRAN, just like the brave Canadian men and women before to give themselves and their kids the kind of freedom and future we enjoy today.

May MJ RIP and may the people of IRAN obtain freedom and democracy if those are what they are fighting for.

My 2cents.

May the freedom we have forever remains with us.

time space

Jun 27th, 2009, 03:05 PM

Yes, but the average guy is not brought before the court on charges of child molestation. Paying off the first kid sure makes him look guilty. Where there is smoke, there's fire.

Interesting analysis.

Of course, you could always try reading the facts about the story (http://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/08/22/gq-article-was-michael-jackson-framed/), but that's nowhere near as fun as making unfounded accusations.

Still, I hope you never get falsely accused - no one deserves that.

FerrisB

Jun 27th, 2009, 03:13 PM

i can't believe that Michael Jackson dying is getting 24/7 coverage while the Iran election is "old news".

What do you think is more newsworthy?

I personally think this is a very sad sign of today's society.

How about something even more mind blowing. Princess Diana dying bumped a looming NUCLEAR WAR to page 3!!! (India/Pakistan)

I remember watching the news and reading the papers and couldn't believe it.

cheapmeister

Jun 27th, 2009, 03:23 PM

I can't believe that the vote is 76% for MJ

I think most of you are just being jokers

in the grand scheme of this her was ONE person making music (which some people would say is crap-pop) - while Iran affects hundreds of millions of lives potentially.

Well what is so great about Iran? They say that the hollocost never happened but it did. I don't think it matters who wins in the end cause in 2/3 world countries, the gov't is always corrupt. Iran is the enemy of America and its actually better that they kill themselves than having America bomb them, and then feed them.

The stuff going on in Iran is the same crap in the entire middle east for the past decade and more.. I for one am sick of hearing about oppressive Muslim extremists every damn day.

For once you say something that I can agree with.

RIP MJ.

Matrixvibe

Jun 27th, 2009, 03:39 PM

i think micheal jackson's death will be reported more in iran then the election protests..

+1

YYZFA

Jun 27th, 2009, 03:40 PM

How about something even more mind blowing. Princess Diana dying bumped a looming NUCLEAR WAR to page 3!!! (India/Pakistan)

I remember watching the news and reading the papers and couldn't believe it.

I tend to keep up on current events, but I honestly don't remember a nuclear war a decade ago. How could I have missed that? I must have been on nights that month. When I'm on nights, I completely lose touch with the outside world!

jimsmith

Jun 27th, 2009, 03:47 PM

i heard that MJ died from food poisoning that he got from eating 8 year old wieners:lol:

FerrisB

Jun 27th, 2009, 03:53 PM

I tend to keep up on current events, but I honestly don't remember a nuclear war a decade ago. How could I have missed that? I must have been on nights that month. When I'm on nights, I completely lose touch with the outside world!

looming Function: intransitive verb 1: to come into sight in enlarged or distorted and indistinct form often as a result of atmospheric conditions2 a: to appear in an impressively great or exaggerated form <deficits loomed large> b: to take shape as an impending occurrence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001-2002_India-Pakistan_standoff

It wasn't at the time of her death, it was when there was additional information released or something.

konfusion666

Jun 27th, 2009, 04:00 PM

I like MJ music and I felt sad when hearing of his death but I am so much more saddened to see how his death had overshadowed the fight of those courageous men and women who are currently scarifying themselves over there, in IRAN, just like the brave Canadian men and women before to give themselves and their kids the kind of freedom and future we enjoy today.

Another misinformed person. Essentially the people of "IRAN" are dying in their streets so they can be led by Dictator #2 rather than Dictator #1. OK?

Another thing - let's not forget the Iranian situation had a good week in the spotlight before the whole Michael Jackson circus started up. To be more clear; the Michael Jackson death began to be reported in the media around 6 to 6:30pm EST Thursday. For the entire day before that, there was nothing regarding MJ in the mainstream media. But there was barely anything regarding Iran either! It had ALREADY been bumped from "front-page news".

So I think it's clear that the trolls whining about MJ vs. Iran don't give 2 sh*ts about the "Iranian people" and their so-called "struggle for democracy". They're simply MJ-haters! Which is fine, but at least have some balls to be UPFRONT about it.

M & M

Jun 27th, 2009, 04:30 PM

Another misinformed person. Essentially the people of "IRAN" are dying in their streets so they can be led by Dictator #2 rather than Dictator #1. OK?.

Understood. And I wish to personally apologize to you and to all for being misinformed and ignorant. You seem to know so much. I am ashamed.

hagbard

Jun 27th, 2009, 04:50 PM

Understood. And I wish to personally apologize to you and to all for being misinformed and ignorant. You seem to know so much. I am ashamed.

U should be. :o

cheeseshredder

Jun 27th, 2009, 05:44 PM

Frankly speaking, there are a plethora of important issues that deserve the spotlight. As long as people acknowledge this, arguing which issue deserves front page coverage does not achieve anything. If you wanted information about a specific topic, the information is out there.

jjfz3000

Jun 27th, 2009, 06:52 PM

How about something even more mind blowing. Princess Diana dying bumped a looming NUCLEAR WAR to page 3!!! (India/Pakistan)

I remember watching the news and reading the papers and couldn't believe it.

Hey. Newspapers have no obligation to report "important" stories. They only have to report the stories that will make people buy the news.

We act as if newspapers are government funded agencies designed to educate the masses. False, they're not different than McDonalds.

freeonboard

Jun 27th, 2009, 08:15 PM

Hey, didn't adult Elvis marry a 13 year old?

absolutely not. he would have lost his career if he had done that.

mj was a pedophile. he should have died in prison.

WesternGirl

Jun 27th, 2009, 08:22 PM

Since he was not my friend then him dying really does not affect me much.

By this logic, I can hazard a guess and say that the majority of RFDers (>50%) likely don't know anyone in Iran who are dying/oppressed/etc either, let alone anyone who they consider a friend. So why are you surprised at the lack of coverage or importance the majority have put on the Iran issue?

amroache

Jun 27th, 2009, 09:01 PM

The Iran election as sad as it is, doesn't really have any impact on my life. MJ on the other hand was a legend, a pioneer, he has so much more impact on my life than Iran does, which is why I voted for MJ. RIP Mike truly a legend.

Cr0at1a

Jun 27th, 2009, 09:02 PM

Wall2Wall

Jun 27th, 2009, 09:09 PM

Damn shut it already.

... but having a free society and a more Western Friendly government does affect us in that it decreases global political tensions.

MJ on the other hand was not producing anything in almost two decades.

For that reason Iran > MJ for everyone in the West.

Cr0at1a

Jun 27th, 2009, 09:15 PM

Sounds like you belong in Iran - you are good at telling people what they are and are not allowed to say. Maybe you should be Ayatollah Wall2Wall.

Jun 27th, 2009, 09:31 PM

Sounds like you belong in Iran - you are good at telling people what they are and are not allowed to say. Maybe you should be Ayatollah Wall2Wall.

Creating a thread just to state your opinion is one thing but throughout this thread you're doing the same thing you're accusing buddy of - telling other people what to think and getting ticked off with everyone who disagrees with you.

Face it; Iran is over - it only got media play because there was nothing else of interest to talk about. Even if Jacko hadn't died Farah Faucett would have started to eat into the press coverage since a) the story had pretty much played out b) people were starting to get bored with it and c) aside from the US declaring war with Iran (not gonna happen) there was little the US could do about it.

hagbard

Jun 27th, 2009, 09:32 PM

absolutely not. he would have lost his career if he had done that.

mj was a pedophile. he should have died in prison.

No, I got it wrong. He started dating her when she was 14 and he was 23. Perfectly acceptable. :o

Cr0at1a

Jun 27th, 2009, 09:36 PM

No, I got it wrong. He started dating her when she was 14 and he was 23. Perfectly acceptable. :o

Are you being sarcastic?

What kind of 23 year old would want a 14 year old girl?
Can't you get women your own age.

Jun 27th, 2009, 09:44 PM

Are you being sarcastic?

WTF? Of course he's being sarcastic.

Others were saying earlier you were trolling in this thread; I was uncertain before but now I'm certain that's all you're doing.

Cr0at1a

Jun 27th, 2009, 09:50 PM

Shaking my head in disbelief.

M & M

Jun 27th, 2009, 09:52 PM

Are you being sarcastic?

What kind of 23 year old would want a 14 year old girl?
Can't you get women your own age.

Some ways to detect sarcasm as found on wikihow:

1. Read carefully. If you find a sentence that sounds sarcastic, reread it and try to digest it. If you already know that the author has used subtle sarcasm in the past, be on the lookout for it while you are reading.
2. Look for unusual usage of bold, CAPITAL, italics, or underlining that serve to emphasize sarcasm or scare quotes around words and phrases that are not from quoted material. A writer may choose to put a word in quotation marks (scare quotes) to indicate an unusual or ironic meaning. If the writing is extremely informal, a writer might put asterisks (*) around a word to emphasize the word or show sarcasm: �You know that I would just *love* that.� Writers may also use 'emoticons' such as a wink ;-), or a graphical eye rolling smiley, or perhaps just ::rolling eyes::. (Did you notice the scare quotes in the last sentence?) One also might use /sarcasm.
3. Consider the context. Is the style formal or informal? Formal writers are much less likely to use sarcasm because the formal style is usually serious. Rules of punctuation are also more rigid. Formal writers rarely use three exclamation points at the end of a sentence to make a point, if they use even one. Are you reading a book or a blog? Bloggers tend to use more bold punctuation, knowing that their online readers are more likely to be familiar with it.
4. Ask yourself: Does the sentence make sense? Does it seem reasonable or outrageous? If a sentence seems grossly out of place or is contrary to his beliefs, the writer may be trying to be sarcastic.

Some sarcastic comments are more subtle than others.... got to watch and read carefully :)

Jun 27th, 2009, 09:56 PM

Shaking my head in disbelief.

Where's the voting option for Farah Fawcett's death?

konfusion666

Jun 27th, 2009, 10:11 PM

Face it; Iran is over - it only got media play because there was nothing else of interest to talk about. Even if Jacko hadn't died Farah Faucett would have started to eat into the press coverage since a) the story had pretty much played out b) people were starting to get bored with it and c) aside from the US declaring war with Iran (not gonna happen) there was little the US could do about it.

+1

I think everyone here is on the same page... except for Cr0at1a.

Which is why I think he's probably a former banned member.

*COUGH*bluemount/bottomfeeder*COUGH*

:twisted:

hugh_da_man

Jun 27th, 2009, 10:13 PM

... but having a free society and a more Western Friendly government does affect us in that it decreases global political tensions.

MJ on the other hand was not producing anything in almost two decades.

For that reason Iran > MJ for everyone in the West.

I understand that the protests in Iran are a bad thing because people are getting hurt but Ahmadinnerjacket probably won anyways (but by less votes than reported I'm sure...I think he rigged it to make himself look more powerful instead of squeaking out a win). The people should protest and have the right to do so but there is really nothing the "West" can do.

For that reason I think Iran != MJ and people should be allowed to mourn a star that they feel a personal connection to while the people in Iran do their own thing and get their own freedom if that's truly what they want.

Sprite09

Jun 27th, 2009, 10:18 PM

Would have been an Epic story if MJ was shot and killed during the protests in Iran.

abu_sme

Jun 27th, 2009, 10:18 PM

Creating a thread just to state your opinion is one thing but throughout this thread you're doing the same thing you're accusing buddy of - telling other people what to think and getting ticked off with everyone who disagrees with you.

Face it; Iran is over - it only got media play because there was nothing else of interest to talk about. Even if Jacko hadn't died Farah Faucett would have started to eat into the press coverage since a) the story had pretty much played out b) people were starting to get bored with it and c) aside from the US declaring war with Iran (not gonna happen) there was little the US could do about it.

For the first time I actually agree with everything you have said.

It's one thing to start a thread and debate your point, but this thread has basically gone from debate into it being a one man dialogue. Anyone who has opposing viewpoints to the OP has pretty much given up on this thread.

MoneyGetter

Jun 28th, 2009, 03:42 AM

gordholio

Jun 28th, 2009, 10:15 AM

Many people make idols of certain celebrities. Sure, his death is newsworthy, but it's treated like it's the most important thing going, which is wrong.

Error916

Jun 28th, 2009, 10:31 AM

Is it fair to say who cares about both?

AmmoWasted

Jun 28th, 2009, 10:43 AM

There's an election in Iran? :lol:

hagbard

Jun 28th, 2009, 11:24 AM

discostupid

Jun 28th, 2009, 11:33 AM

The elections were likely fair and democratic. It makes no difference who won regardless. Why? 1. Like someone pointed out, neither of the candidates were 'democratic' though the one who lost would have been more open to the west (though this is certainly not what the US or Israel want). 2. The Iranian President holds NO power. Its the Ayatollahs that hold the power.

Compared with the rest of that part of the world (or, for that matter, the entire world) Iranians aren't too hard done by. Try living in SA and having a divergent life style. Or in Israel if you're an Arab.

+1

I'm Iranian and MJ news is more interesting to me. Not the tabloid news about MJ, but the tributes and homages and memories. We were playing MJ music all day at work, it still sounds as fresh as the first time I heard it. I wasn't even born when some of his songs came out.

twotterdhc6

Jun 28th, 2009, 05:25 PM

Michael Jackson + Iranian protest mash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvOx4avw8WY

/thread :P

MrDisco

Jun 28th, 2009, 11:06 PM

Even if Jacko hadn't died Farah Faucett would have started to eat into the press coverage since a) the story had pretty much played out b) people were starting to get bored with it and c) aside from the US declaring war with Iran (not gonna happen) there was little the US could do about it.

More over, the media has already pulled back on the Jackson coverage. It's no longer the lead story on the radio, talk show hosts have moved on to other topics, CNN had Iran as top billing earlier today, and no doubt tomorrow's paper will have coverage on Ontario's new PC leader.

But of course this is all a global media conspiracy. Stanley-the-sky-is-falling-whatshisname is that you?