[Merged] WDTV Live network media player - $99.99 at Dell.ca

[brucered]

here's some interesting info involving WDTV. Their being sued for copy write infringement. Whose sueing them?, the developers of linux busybox.

They were named on the 14th/09 along with a bestbuy, samsung etc for profiting off the use of or basically using the busybox gpl source code for profit and not releasing the source code publicly along with their product yadayada(legalise) easily and within a reasonable period of time.

Interesting was this "Western Digital's
WDBABF0000NBK WD TV HD Media Player" was named as the device in question.

Under the licensing of busybox if infringed on the agreement then "any party that redistributes BusyBox in a manner that does not comply with the License immediately and automatically loses all rights granted under the License to copy and modify BusyBox." thats not good I wonder if it can stop sales or suspend support? would this mean the original is now dead? or soon to be?how will this affect live?

I guess its pretty clear why asus(not named) has always called their unit open source and releases gpl source codes with firmwares(although not completely which is against the rules asus!)
you want too read the whole thing its here:
http://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2009/busybox-complaint-2009-12-14.pdf

WOWSERS! perhaps i'll stick to DVD-R's

[saimer]

has there been any updates to fixed the bricked WDTV from the .12 update? I've been busy with exams and havent been following.

My brother in the end RMAed his.

[porphyra]

here's some interesting info involving WDTV. Their being sued for copy write infringement. Whose sueing them?, the developers of linux busybox.

They were named on the 14th/09 along with a bestbuy, samsung etc for profiting off the use of or basically using the busybox gpl source code for profit and not releasing the source code publicly along with their product yadayada(legalise) easily and within a reasonable period of time.

Interesting was this "Western Digital's
WDBABF0000NBK WD TV HD Media Player" was named as the device in question.

Under the licensing of busybox if infringed on the agreement then "any party that redistributes BusyBox in a manner that does not comply with the License immediately and automatically loses all rights granted under the License to copy and modify BusyBox." thats not good I wonder if it can stop sales or suspend support? would this mean the original is now dead? or soon to be?how will this affect live?

I guess its pretty clear why asus(not named) has always called their unit open source and releases gpl source codes with firmwares(although not completely which is against the rules asus!)
you want too read the whole thing its here:
http://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2009/busybox-complaint-2009-12-14.pdf

This is a not a bad thing. Either WD reaches an out of court settlement and closes the chapter, or to comply with the gpl they release the source code. The latter will be great for programmers, and we clearly know what happened when linksys had to release their source code for the wrtgl series of routers.

Either case, no way will WD give up this cash cow. Clearly they are moving tons of these units from the sounds of it.

[lead]

This is a not a bad thing. Either WD reaches an out of court settlement and closes the chapter, or to comply with the gpl they release the source code. The latter will be great for programmers, and we clearly know what happened when linksys had to release their source code for the wrtgl series of routers.

Either case, no way will WD give up this cash cow. Clearly they are moving tons of these units from the sounds of it.

you mentioned linksys plus Verizion had to as well. The people who monitor say it happens daily. They could jump on each one but it hurts more than helps. Instead documented and monitored on those 14 in particular since 2007. This way its pretty much a put up or shut down position. They don't want the money they want them to comply so generally thats what happens and they settle out of court. Look for a gpl release soon. If I'm not mstaken didn't B-rad say the live uses busy box code as well?

[ksingh7304]

Hi
I am thinking to buy it, however what works best with this box? I have 2 85MBPS powerline adapters, should I use them or get an wireless adapter?

Thanks

[Albertan]

How's this thing for playing Blue Ray images? I have a Gen 1 WDTV and I get tonnes of Unsupported audio errors - Is that still the case?

[joey003]

How's this thing for playing Blue Ray images? I have a Gen 1 WDTV and I get tonnes of Unsupported audio errors - Is that still the case?

what types of files are you trying to play? and do you know which audio codecs theyre encoded with?

[Albertan]

what types of files are you trying to play? and do you know which audio codecs theyre encoded with?


ISOs of bluerays - 44GB version of the Hangover I ripped frommy blue ray of it, for instance.

I think it's DTS, which from my understanding, won't transfr over HDMI on a Gen 1 WDTV.

[bungaboy]

Got the same price after pm at Best Buy Markham, but MAN was it a headache. First, ISPU/returns linup was so slow cause this location is always understaffed at customer service, plus employees called in sick cause of the storm. Second, manager said newegg is not an authorized dealer whatever the crap that means. Third, manager called xpresscanada who told them the price was $139.99 despite my printout saying $128. I immediately called them back on my cell only to hear "Canada Computers, can I help you" on the other end. Finally I clued in he was quoting the CC price, not the XC price so I had to have him verbally confirm the price for the manager who replied on my cell "You just told me $139.99, now I have a customer in my face telling me that price is wrong, I don't appreciate being lied to!"

What a major PITA. I never have these problems at FS. How do you argue with managers who said ncix/newegg are not "authorized resellers"???

In case anyone is wonder, the math works out to $169.99 --> $128 price match - $4.20 difference - $10 coupon = $113.80 plus 13% tax = $128.59.

I got the same BS from Customer Service (Oxymoron) at Best Buy. The wouldn't PM NewEgg. Said they weren't authorized reseller. So I went to WD website and NewEgg weren't shown on Canada site but were shown for USA.

So I emailed NewEgg and asked them if they were an authorized reseller in Canada and here is their reply.

"Dear Customer,

Thank you for contacting Newegg.

Please kindly note that we are authorized retailer for all items that are listed on our website. Thus, we are authorized to sell Western Digital Products in Canada.
If you have any further questions or concerns, please visit our FAQ page. If you still need assistance, please feel free to email me directly and I will be happy to assist you."

So BB is jerking everyone around.

I will fight BB on this 'till resolved to my satisfaction . . . . on principle!

[Vinman]

I think it's DTS, which from my understanding, won't transfr over HDMI on a Gen 1 WDTV.

Yep, and that's a huge flaw in the original WDTV, which has been cleared up with WDTV 2.0, WDTV Live and the O!Play.

BTW, the WDTV Live! is the real deal - the O!Play is nice, but it's missing incredibly important features like file manipulation/deletion and network disk access - the WDTV is a dream to use and I'm currently transferring 20+ GB of files from my main PC and then plan to delete a pile of movies I've already watched. Just amazing, and there is now no reason for me to even touch the device anymore.

The O!Play needed constant babysitting and removal of the WD hard drive, as there is no way to access or control the attached drive via the network and ASUS doesn't allow file access through the O!Play itself. Very limited feature set in an otherwise-impressive media player.

[belowzeros]

I got the same BS from Customer Service (Oxymoron) at Best Buy. The wouldn't PM NewEgg. Said they weren't authorized reseller. So I went to WD website and NewEgg weren't shown on Canada site but were shown for USA.

So I emailed NewEgg and asked them if they were an authorized reseller in Canada and here is their reply.

"Dear Customer,

Thank you for contacting Newegg.

Please kindly note that we are authorized retailer for all items that are listed on our website. Thus, we are authorized to sell Western Digital Products in Canada.
If you have any further questions or concerns, please visit our FAQ page. If you still need assistance, please feel free to email me directly and I will be happy to assist you."

So BB is jerking everyone around.

I will fight BB on this 'till resolved to my satisfaction . . . . on principle!


I think you are right fwiw. It's a bit of a gray area in computers. The way it works basically is there are many distributors (middle men) that resell various parts for the big names and sometimes items change hands many times before an end user gets them. This is the so called gray market because it gets around the main tier1 distribution model. One way WD product of all sorts gets into the channel is through this method. This is how BB is claiming newegg gets their product and isn't authorized...correct if it were true.

The other bigger method and the way BB gets WD product is through first tier distribution, basically WD ships it to X, X ships it to the channel and it changed hands only once. With a company that has volume like Best Buy they will even get their product right from WD directly and it doesn't even hit the regular distribution channels (and is cheaper to best buy incidentally). This method is what BB is claiming newegg does not belong. But it's bunk because Newegg has the volume (and it doesn't take a lot) to be part of first tier distro.

BB is taking the cop out method because there is no logo on WDs page...it's dirty but it's how they are trained so you can't completely fault the rep that helped you, the B.S. trickles down the chain.

[83trekker]

Can the PS3 do everything this WDTV can do?

[J-Wo]

Can the PS3 do everything this WDTV can do?No

[TOPDAWG]

Can the PS3 do everything this WDTV can do?

WDTV will play way more file types then the PS3 will.

[Noobzilla]

I get incredibly slow file transfer, even over wired ethernet, to any USB 2.0 hard drive attached to the WDTV.
Takes 3 hours to transfer a movie. :(

[corezz]

I get incredibly slow file transfer, even over wired ethernet, to any USB 2.0 hard drive attached to the WDTV.
Takes 3 hours to transfer a movie. :(

Not sure how large the movie size is but you might want to make sure your link connection speed is set to 100Mbs full duplex or Auto negotiate...Unless that is you have a Gigabit NIC card for all ends (router and both computers) then u can jump this up even higher. Cuz it sounds to me your speeds are at 10Mbs.

It's also possible the WDTV could be scanning your network for items of interest which could be slowing things down?!?!?

[Noobzilla]

Not sure how large the movie size is but you might want to make sure your link connection speed is set to 100Mbs full duplex or Auto negotiate...Unless that is you have a Gigabit NIC card for all ends (router and both computers) then u can jump this up even higher. Cuz it sounds to me your speeds are at 10Mbs.

It's also possible the WDTV could be scanning your network for items of interest which could be slowing things down?!?!?

Yeah, it's set to 100Mbs full duplex. Takes 3 hours to transfer a 4 GB movie. Just googling the problem, I've found several others with same problem but no solution.

[tkaravou]

I was sooo close of picking this bad boy up but ultimately, I've decided to wait it out and go with the Boxee Box. The user interface is brilliant and as many of you know by now, the user interface makes or breaks the system. Sure the WDTV is alright, but I've tried the software version of boxee and I really like all the features it has. Also, the software updates will be way more frequent.

[Phils]

Yeah, it's set to 100Mbs full duplex. Takes 3 hours to transfer a 4 GB movie. Just googling the problem, I've found several others with same problem but no solution.

For comparison purposes, I transferred a 700MB file in under 4 minutes.

[Vinman]

Yeah, it's set to 100Mbs full duplex. Takes 3 hours to transfer a 4 GB movie. Just googling the problem, I've found several others with same problem but no solution.

That's crazy, I'm using a Wireless-N bridge, off a router with a lot of laptop traffic, and did 24GB in about an hour or so.

Now, are you transferring files using the WDTV Live! or through a network PC? I've noticed the former can be dead slow and prone to errors, so I don't even use it anymore, but with a PC and transferring through the network is pretty fast.

[Azenha]

Yeah, it's set to 100Mbs full duplex. Takes 3 hours to transfer a 4 GB movie. Just googling the problem, I've found several others with same problem but no solution.

Sounds like a 10mbss transfer speed. You're probably bottle necked at 10mb somewhere on your network.

A possibility is that one of your switches, hubs or routers are not reporting the correct speed. Also, some older switches, hubs, and routers fall back to the slowest speed on your network. In order words, if you have a 10mbs device, everything falls back to that speed although the switch, hub or router continues to report 100mb on your particular Ethernet port.

Nonetheless, 3 hours for 4GB is definitely a transfer of about 10mbs.

[deals_addict]

I hooked the wdtv live to my router (wired), but when trying to view youtube, I get message "no content availabe", did anyone had this problem.

I did check the connection was detected and successfull, do I need to create an account with youtube in order to view them through wdtv?

[rururu1]

I hooked the wdtv live to my router (wired), but when trying to view youtube, I get message "no content availabe", did anyone had this problem.

I did check the connection was detected and successfull, do I need to create an account with youtube in order to view them through wdtv?

On mine some of the videos are not available as well, specially music videos.


Anyways purchased WDTV live at Memory express for $119 and paired it with D-link wireless bridge, works wonderfully.

[ppl4golf]

Sounds like a 10mbss transfer speed. You're probably bottle necked at 10mb somewhere on your network.

A possibility is that one of your switches, hubs or routers are not reporting the correct speed. Also, some older switches, hubs, and routers fall back to the slowest speed on your network. In order words, if you have a 10mbs device, everything falls back to that speed although the switch, hub or router continues to report 100mb on your particular Ethernet port.

Nonetheless, 3 hours for 4GB is definitely a transfer of about 10mbs.

It's slow but not that slow.

I almost fcuked up an entire LOGICAL DRIVE when I moved that HDD from an XP machine to a Vista machine. It had 700GB of OTA HD MPEG2 recordings. I put the drive in a SATA enclosure and none of my computers recognized it anymore.

I plugged the enclosure to my WDTV Live and it read it...I had to do it the hard way copying all 700GB of craps onto another HDD over the gigabit network. It took like 2 days but the LIVE saved the day.

My media networking has not acted up in a while. I must say the WD Live is a lovely little gadget even though my intention was to actually get a portable media player (ideally like the Patriot that can swallow a HDD inside)

[avz]

Does anyone know if this player is able to seamlessly loop a single video? I'm looking for a player that will just loop one video over and over.

[eyesonme]

is this going to be cheaper during boxing day at BB, 89$??

[brucered]

is this going to be cheaper during boxing day at BB, 89$??

sorry, don't have a crystal ball :cheesygri

but if i had to guess, i would say NO. perhaps some stores might have 5-10 units at that price, then a bunch at $119, but is it really worth the hassle and the lines, probably not.

[sspikachu25]

is this going to be cheaper during boxing day at BB, 89$??

i think the one at BB for $89 is not the LIVE version

[rvs007]

Does anyone know if this player is able to seamlessly loop a single video? I'm looking for a player that will just loop one video over and over.
Yes, you can loop a video over and over again.

is this going to be cheaper during boxing day at BB, 89$??
Given that the original WDTV will be $89.99 for boxing day, I doubt the Live version will be on sale.

[ppl4golf]

Does anyone know if this player is able to seamlessly loop a single video? I'm looking for a player that will just loop one video over and over.


Yes, you can loop a video over and over again.

Given that the original WDTV will be $89.99 for boxing day, I doubt the Live version will be on sale.

The only video I've tried looping (actually for more than 30 times) was the 1080p MKV bird scene.
It used to stream perfect right off the start...now it stutters a little BUT loops flawlessly (go figure!). It's all network glitches. I know the video processor handles it no problem.

[RedEx]

hello, I will be getting the WD Live next week. Is there a good boxing day deal on a well recommended wireless adapter for it? Or a well recommended external HD for it?

thanks

[brucered]

so i got myself a WDTV LIVE for xmas today. i want to connect it WIRED to my router (trendnet TEW-625BRP) to be able to access my media.

is this all i need ETHERNET CABLE (http://cgi.ebay.com/CAT5-cat-5-RJ45-Ethernet-Network-Cable-50ft-50-FT-CAT5E_W0QQitemZ260528005079QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_D efaultDomain_0?hash=item3ca8addfd7#ht_3499wt_939)?

if so, what R rating and CAT rating should i be looking for? or is cat 5 RJ45 OK for this type of application

here's hoping i get it to work ok. i only want it to basically watch iso and img file , i know i won't get menus etc, i just want to be able to view the main movie, no extras etc. is ok for me.

[stevelam]

so i got myself a WDTV LIVE for xmas today. i want to connect it WIRED to my router (trendnet TEW-625BRP) to be able to access my media.

is this all i need ETHERNET CABLE (http://cgi.ebay.com/CAT5-cat-5-RJ45-Ethernet-Network-Cable-50ft-50-FT-CAT5E_W0QQitemZ260528005079QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_D efaultDomain_0?hash=item3ca8addfd7#ht_3499wt_939)?

if so, what R rating and CAT rating should i be looking for? or is cat 5 RJ45 OK for this type of application

here's hoping i get it to work ok. i only want it to basically watch iso and img file , i know i won't get menus etc, i just want to be able to view the main movie, no extras etc. is ok for me.

yes, your typical ethernet cat5 cable will work just fine.

[brucered]

yes, your typical ethernet cat5 cable will work just fine.

thanks. i'll order a 50' from ebay for $6 with free shipping and hopefully all goes well.

for now, i'll use flashdrives to try it out.

[Civuck]

Another custom firmware upgrade for the WDTV Live...

B-RAD's WDlxTV Live version 0.3.2 (http://b-rad.cc/1095/wdlxtv-live-0-3-2/)

"The webserver starts automagic now, torrents work, nzbget works, unrar will do multi part archives, and par2 found its way in."

[brucered]

Another custom firmware upgrade for the WDTV Live...

B-RAD's WDlxTV Live version 0.3.2 (http://b-rad.cc/1095/wdlxtv-live-0-3-2/)

"The webserver starts automagic now, torrents work, nzbget works, unrar will do multi part archives, and par2 found its way in."

THANKS.

so is the CUSTOM FIRMWARE recommended over the official firmware? i just want to stream movies from my PC to my TV, not much else right now.

got it hooked up thru HDMI directly to tv, TOSLINK to receiver and a usb stick in. works fine so far. gonna try a movie tonight.

[one_human]

I noticed today that Best Buy has the 2nd generation WDTV (not Live) boxes in stock, but they weren't selling for the Boxing Day price of of $89.99. Only the 1st generation boxes were selling for that price. The 2nd generation boxes are selling for $139.99. The good thing about the 2nd gen boxes is they can handle DTS. Below are the links for each one. They have different product codes and the 2nd gen boxes clearly have the DTS logo on the packaging.

1st gen (WDAVN00BN): http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10115467&catid=26259

2nd gen (WDBABF000NBK): http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10131806&catid=26259

[hot_ride]

Aren't these the same boxes that are at Costco for $89 everyday?

P.S. NCIX PM'd BestDirect.ca for $119. But that was on Dec. 20, seems to be $125 now...

[J-Wo]

Aren't these the same boxes that are at Costco for $89 everyday?

P.S. NCIX PM'd BestDirect.ca for $119. But that was on Dec. 20, seems to be $125 now...

I'm pretty sure Costco only carried the first generation WDTV, I don't think they carried the second gen WDTV 2. This is the third generation WDTV Live with network support added.

[jbond]

Went to BB they selling the Live at $169. Can I go to BB and ask for price matching NCIX for $129?

[J-Wo]

Went to BB they selling the Live at $169. Can I go to BB and ask for price matching NCIX for $129?

Yes you can but not until Monday (Dec 28). I find BB managers can be real hardasses though, many don't PM with NCIX unless you are prepared to put up a good fight. :P

[Civuck]

so is the CUSTOM FIRMWARE recommended over the official firmware? i just want to stream movies from my PC to my TV, not much else right now.You don't need the custom firmware to stream movies from your PC to your WDTV Live. It does that right out of the box.

[one_human]

Went to BB they selling the Live at $169. Can I go to BB and ask for price matching NCIX for $129?

When I bought my WDTV Live at the Warden & Eglinton Best Buy on Nov. 19, I got them to price match with xpresscanada (http://xpresscanada.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=025525&cid=VID.978). The girl at Customer Service didn't take into account any shipping costs, so when all was said and done, factoring in the 10% difference reduction (at the time), I got the WDTV Live for $125.50. I notice xpresscanada is selling it even a bit cheaper now for $127.

[lil_azn]

Don't understand why you guys are so excited about getting it especially on the BD... i bought mine on the 22nd on NCIX PM it to 119.99 not bestdirect though.. http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/PID-MX25664%28ME%29.aspx

[brucered]

You don't need the custom firmware to stream movies from your PC to your WDTV Live. It does that right out of the box.

thanks.

[syndicate1]

Also the live does not do HD movies. Make sure you are buying the right one guys. Also networking is not as easy on the WD compared to the Patriot

[rvs007]

Also the live does not do HD movies. Make sure you are buying the right one guys. Also networking is not as easy on the WD compared to the Patriot
What?!? It's a HD media player!!! Of course it does HD movies!

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=735

[Oscar11]

Also the live does not do HD movies. Make sure you are buying the right one guys. Also networking is not as easy on the WD compared to the Patriot

can you be more specific?

Please make sure you know what you're talking about before making comments like this :|

[brucered]

Also the live does not do HD movies. Make sure you are buying the right one guys. Also networking is not as easy on the WD compared to the Patriot

i just played an x264 mkv movie and it works great.

[Wiesel]

Also the live does not do HD movies. Make sure you are buying the right one guys. Also networking is not as easy on the WD compared to the Patriot


Have you even tried this unit? It definitely plays HD movies... 1080p x264 movies work great! If you have DHCP set on your router, networking couldn't be any easier. Just plug it in, it picks up an address and away you go.

[thepersianguy]

does anyone know what the cheapest price this player has ever gone for?

[belowzeros]

Also the live does not do HD movies. Make sure you are buying the right one guys. Also networking is not as easy on the WD compared to the Patriot


hey misinformed guy, do you work for patriot? =p

:)

[J-Wo]

does anyone know what the cheapest price this player has ever gone for?

I think $119.99

[mikka1989]

the ps3 won't play .mkv files

[cashinstinct]

What is the wdtv doing that PS3 cannot do? Thanks!

[cashinstinct]

the ps3 won't play .mkv files

Thanks!

[appleb]

My brother says he found the WDTV at Costco today for $90. I assume this must be the original version.

[jbond]

End up buying the LIVE at NCIX for $129 free Express shipping & no PST because outside of BC. Hopefully have it on Tuesday. Don't want to argue at BB & wait in line forever.

[rvs007]

My brother says he found the WDTV at Costco today for $90. I assume this must be the original version.
Yes, that's not the Live version.

[Grimspoon]

Almost bought the WD TV Live but after reading some reviews and doing some comparisons, I ended up ordering the Patriot Box Office instead.

[brucered]

Almost bought the WD TV Live but after reading some reviews and doing some comparisons, I ended up ordering the Patriot Box Office instead.

i think all of them have their + and -'s, if only one of them could get it all right for a well priced unit that worked great.

anyway, i got the HDTV LIVE for xmas and it's working fine. i still have to connect it via an ethernet cable (on order), right now i'm just using a USB drive. i've watched a regular iso and an MKV and both worked flawlessly. great picture, great sound.

[hyperactiveme]

I pm @ bb with no problems. I too considered other players but decided on wdtvL and think it's the best for the price

[Wiesel]

i think all of them have their + and -'s, if only one of them could get it all right for a well priced unit that worked great.

anyway, i got the HDTV LIVE for xmas and it's working fine. i still have to connect it via an ethernet cable (on order), right now i'm just using a USB drive. i've watched a regular iso and an MKV and both worked flawlessly. great picture, great sound.

Once you wire it up, you'll notice the WDTV will share out any connected USB devices. I've been able to stream 720p movies without a hickup to my wireless desktop... sweet! It's also perfect for managing files without moving the hard drive around.

[lead]

Once you wire it up, you'll notice the WDTV will share out any connected USB devices. I've been able to stream 720p movies without a hickup to my wireless desktop... sweet! It's also perfect for managing files without moving the hard drive around.

yes but all these boxes have slow transfer rates from them don't buy one thinking its going to do the job of a nas because you'll be dissappointed. the dns 321 can be had at td for 99 thats hot and can support 3 of these easily simulatenously. Its argueably the best addon for all these type of boxes since they can run 24/7 and use very little power and have your files on demand.

[Beradon]

I want to connect an external USB Blu-Ray drive. Are there any provisions in the firmware to interact with external optical drives?

[one_human]

And for anyone looking for the 2nd gen WDTV that supports DTS, Xpress Canada has it for $109.99. Could come in handy for price matching with Best Buy since they are selling it for $139.99 right now.

http://xpresscanada.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=026849&cid=VID.978

[ur_funneh]

Would BB allow the PM? Im very tempted...

[J-Wo]

WDTV Live on sale for $124.99 at Canada Computers. Good luck braving the lines at BB for a PM :P
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=025525&cid=VID.978

[FZZ]

NCIX has WD TV Live @ $129.99 with free shipping.
Ontario residents pay GST only. Total after tax $136.49

[sureshmysore]

Almost bought the WD TV Live but after reading some reviews and doing some comparisons, I ended up ordering the Patriot Box Office instead.

This review says Patriot has the worst video quality in the shootout

http://gizmodo.com/5397986/

"This was the dark horse of the group, being a late entry by a company known only for computer memory. I was surprised at how well it held up. It actually could decode more tested formats than any other device in this lineup—it did Flash video (FLV), which the three above can't render. Only the WD and the Patriot show you video previews, too. As small as it is, there's a space for a 2.5" SATA drive in there, and even a BitT0rrent client. You can copy files to and from different drives and the network, and it's the cheapest of the lot, at $130.

So why did it come in a distant 3rd? Unlike the three above, it can't read Mac formatted hard drives, and its video quality was noticeably the worst of the batch. That said, if you are a hacker sort and want something to play with that doesn't cost as much as Popcorn, set your sights on this.

[lead]

This review says Patriot has the worst video quality in the shootout

http://gizmodo.com/5397986/

"This was the dark horse of the group, being a late entry by a company known only for computer memory. I was surprised at how well it held up. It actually could decode more tested formats than any other device in this lineup—it did Flash video (FLV), which the three above can't render. Only the WD and the Patriot show you video previews, too. As small as it is, there's a space for a 2.5" SATA drive in there, and even a BitT0rrent client. You can copy files to and from different drives and the network, and it's the cheapest of the lot, at $130.

So why did it come in a distant 3rd? Unlike the three above, it can't read Mac formatted hard drives, and its video quality was noticeably the worst of the batch. That said, if you are a hacker sort and want something to play with that doesn't cost as much as Popcorn, set your sights on this.

The problem was the review you picked was very inaccurate from the get go and came out before the release date of some the products and or firmwares that had corrected issues. Their had been firmware upgrades to address the hdmi issue which realtek corrected for that chipset/reference design that all similar platforms recieved. Be critical of early reviews they can be flawed.

For example One review I remember for the o!play back in oct had the guy say the hd quality was horrid. Then far down in the comment section he addressed his mistake because after he contacted the manufacturer he realized he'd only been useing the composite cable? since it didn't arrive with an hdmi cable! The whole review should have been pulled after that stupid acknowledgement but didn't clearly because it was highly ranked on google search for the product and their page hits go up that way regardless of the accuracy of the reviewer's conclusions.

[Phils]

yes but all these boxes have slow transfer rates from them don't buy one thinking its going to do the job of a nas because you'll be disappointed. the dns 321 can be had at td for 99 thats hot and can support 3 of these easily simultaneously. Its arguably the best add-on for all these type of boxes since they can run 24/7 and use very little power and have your files on demand.

That's what I'm doing. It's terrific for that. I've been trying to determine how much power the DNS-321 actually uses. Does anyone know?

[brucered]

just out of curiosity, does the WDTV act as an upconverting player for normal iso and img files (non HD) the same way an upconverting dvd player does?

[ultimatejester]

Ugh, i finally bought one. NCIX has a good deal with free shipping.

At least now i won't be torturing my pc with transcoding. Don't know what i will be doing with my PS3 now :(

[brucered]

Ugh, i finally bought one. NCIX has a good deal with free shipping.

At least now i won't be torturing my pc with transcoding. Don't know what i will be doing with my PS3 now :(

perhaps play video games with it :confused:

[lead]

That's what I'm doing. It's terrific for that. I've been trying to determine how much power the DNS-321 actually uses. Does anyone know?

it'll vary with the drives used but roughly 10-12 watts a drive in use. 4-6 idle.
My 323 was using 23w with both drives full load/both acessed r/w. 10w with only 1 being acessed and 5 idle with my kilowatt reader.

[brucered]

it'll vary with the drives used but roughly 10-12 watts a drive in use. 4-6 idle.
My 323 was using 23w with both drives full load/both acessed r/w. 10w with only 1 being acessed and 5 idle with my kilowatt reader.

you're like the WDTV and MEDIA CENTRE guru on here. thanks for all your help, you always have an answer and helped me with my set up.

much appreciated. :D

[Phils]

it'll vary with the drives used but roughly 10-12 watts a drive in use. 4-6 idle.
My 323 was using 23w with both drives full load/both acessed r/w. 10w with only 1 being acessed and 5 idle with my kilowatt reader.

Excellent. I have 1 WD Green Drive so I'll assume 4 and I'll just leave it on. Sounds like it would cost me about 20 to 25 cents per month.

[naveed3434]

Had an original XBOX which I put XBMC on to play movies. Recently had my XBOX die and I can't be bother to fix it again (original Xbox).

XBMC is much better but the WDTV live is nice, does the job. I've been running it for about a week under high use. Probably about 10 hours a day. I have the Wiggles playing all day for my daughter. Hasn't had any major issues that a reset wasn't able to fix. Watching mkv in 1080p is amazing!

Worth the $150 after taxes easily.

[Vinman]

Their had been firmware upgrades to address the hdmi issue which realtek corrected for that chipset/reference design that all similar platforms recieved. Be critical of early reviews they can be flawed.

Why would you say that? They reviewed the product as it stood at the time, and if companies continue to release beta products at retail, and only patch them later, then they deserve all the bad reviews they get.

The only thing "flawed" was the release firmware.

[lead]

Why would you say that? They reviewed the product as it stood at the time, and if companies continue to release beta products at retail, and only patch them later, then they deserve all the bad reviews they get.

The only thing "flawed" was the release firmware.

then they should do a follow up because the article is now inaccurate but they haven't and people will do a google search and consider it like a fact before purchasing which is no longer relevent.

Its more lazy and irresponsible than relevevent since were only talking a brief period of time. That firmware change came out virtually days after that review.

[lead]

you're like the WDTV and MEDIA CENTRE guru on here. thanks for all your help, you always have an answer and helped me with my set up.

much appreciated. :D

actually I'm more an xbox/xbmc fan than these standalones and simply want one that could come the closest to it and have been disappointed so far. Its the only thing that configures well for frontends on my htpc/pvr.
But after playing and conversing with alot of htpc linux gurus they concluded their all virtually the same. In a nutshell its a 2d hd playable chip that uses busybox, all of them. except maybe boxee. That one could be the king if its cheap enough, the questions are? is it pc based or arm chiped based, does it run full boxee software will it support boxee plugins if so it will make these boxes look quite simplistic.

[sb_tor]

I've got to say that the patriot box office appears to have the best feature set among all these (WDTV live, O!play being others): playing iso's with menus, included wifi adapter, can add internal hdd, supports more file extensions like .rmv etc. the few user reviews I have seen so far are positive. The only negative in the earlier versions is a noisy fan, which is now fixed. waiting for more reviews. I was dead set on buying the WD TV live, cannot find anything on which it beats the PBO except the video quality, which by all accounts is a negligible difference, if it exists at all (I am discounting that review and looking more at user reviews on various forums).

[karmanwalia]

I have been looking to buy one of the WDTV Live, Patriot BO or Asus O'play players. They appear to have almost similar feature sets except that WDTV has a very good modded firmware and also supports youtube directly. So I am more inclined to get WDTV Live.

[ultimatejester]

:arrowu: Yes, the modded firmware did it for me. The ability to have a Usenet client as well as a Bittorrent client with remote functionality was the primary reason i bought WDTV.

Patriot has clearly stated in Avsforums that don't plan on opening up PBO due to Realtek restrictions.

Asus is extremely bad with firmware updates and support. Just have a quick look through their forums. You will notice that it's just users helping users, there is no official support team on the forums.

[milhaus]

Question: Any of the Asus, WD or Patriot players come with a drive (500GB or 1TB) inside? I want to buy an all in one for my mom and dad to select movies from, but would like an all in one solution. I know Lacie makes them, but their units blow in terms of codec support.

[nosnoop]

Question: Any of the Asus, WD or Patriot players come with a drive (500GB or 1TB) inside? I want to buy an all in one for my mom and dad to select movies from, but would like an all in one solution.

Then Patriot is your only option (among the three you mentioned). It can accomodate an internal hard drive. But it does not come with any drive, you need to buy your own 2.5" notebook drive; then it is just a matter of unscrewing the back plate and slide the drive in - a very simple task. Asus and WDTV can only use external drive.

[Beradon]

I've got to say that the patriot box office appears to have the best feature set among all these (WDTV live, O!play being others): playing iso's with menus, included wifi adapter, can add internal hdd, supports more file extensions like .rmv etc. the few user reviews I have seen so far are positive. The only negative in the earlier versions is a noisy fan, which is now fixed. waiting for more reviews. I was dead set on buying the WD TV live, cannot find anything on which it beats the PBO except the video quality, which by all accounts is a negligible difference, if it exists at all (I am discounting that review and looking more at user reviews on various forums).Hardware wise you can have the best features but all of that won't mean a thing without software. The best media network player has to have a balance of good hardware and software which means you need to have a community that supports it. The open source players are the best as you can have several different coders updating the features and releasing fixes on a monthly basis.

[lead]

Hardware wise you can have the best features but all of that won't mean a thing without software. The best media network player has to have a balance of good hardware and software which means you need to have a community that supports it. The open source players are the best as you can have several different coders updating the features and releasing fixes on a monthly basis.

technically their all open source since their all built off busy box code so expect wdtv to fully release soon enough,since they were sued as of the 14th for not complying and they won't win. Its whether these makers comply fast enough thats the problem and how long they argue what is or is not busybox.

Its funny you brought this up. It was mentioned in the avsforum that theirs too many boxes now and to little are complying completely to the open source requirement is one problem. The other is the variety is splitting available resources too much instead of like xbmc with one large community. the flip side is wdtv has b-rad which has had a year head start. But realtek based units have complied to the open source right off the hop. Mivx released basically the whole code almost that benifits all the 1073dd based units which makes catching up alot easier.

[belowzeros]

I'm sure you guys have mentioned it a hundred times before in this thread but I haven't come across it for a while...can someone point me in the direction of the fav opensource freeware that gets raved about?

much appreciated

[ultimatejester]

I'm sure you guys have mentioned it a hundred times before in this thread but I haven't come across it for a while...can someone point me in the direction of the fav opensource freeware that gets raved about?

much appreciated

http://b-rad.cc/

[flying triangle]

I just bought the WD HD LIVE and I have a few questions.

1. Is there going to be a noticeable difference in quality going from the RGB AV cables to HDMI?

2. I just moved into a new house and I'm setting everything up as we speak. For now I have only used a USB stick to watch movies. The movies that are being displayed at 720P seem to stutter a little bit. Is this because I am using the USB stick or the RGB cables instead of HDMI cables? It works perfectly with dvd rips...no skipping whatsoever.

3. Can I put all my movies on an external HD and plug it into the USB port of the WD to watch movies? and if so am I going to experience stuttering as the unit will have to scan a much larger HD than the current USB stick I am using?

4. If I run an ethernet cable from my PC to the WD will that get rid of the stuttering on MKV or BluRay rips?

Thanks in advance.

BTW, so far, this thing has been great. It has played all the files I have thrown at it(one of the rips was a bit stuttery mind you but I have a feeling that the USB or the RGB cables are the cause.

[one_human]

I just bought the WD HD LIVE and I have a few questions.

1. Is there going to be a noticeable difference in quality going from the RGB AV cables to HDMI?

2. I just moved into a new house and I'm setting everything up as we speak. For now I have only used a USB stick to watch movies. The movies that are being displayed at 720P seem to stutter a little bit. Is this because I am using the USB stick or the RGB cables instead of HDMI cables? It works perfectly with dvd rips...no skipping whatsoever.

3. Can I put all my movies on an external HD and plug it into the USB port of the WD to watch movies? and if so am I going to experience stuttering as the unit will have to scan a much larger HD than the current USB stick I am using?

4. If I run an ethernet cable from my PC to the WD will that get rid of the stuttering on MKV or BluRay rips?

Thanks in advance.

BTW, so far, this thing has been great. It has played all the files I have thrown at it(one of the rips was a bit stuttery mind you but I have a feeling that the USB or the RGB cables are the cause.

Too bad you don't have a portable hard drive (powered thru the USB port) or an external hard drive (powered by an AC power supply) in order to compare performance to your USB thumbdrive.

I've never had any of my .MKV or .m2ts files stutter regardless of whether they are stored on USB thumbdrive or portable drive. That includes both 1080p and 720p. My WDTV Live is connected to my TV via HDMI and I've never bothered to try with component cables because I've had no need to.

You should also not experience stuttering of any kind if you connect to your computer via ethernet cable.

[harrybuckman]

I am sure it has already been said but Canada Computers has the wdtv live on for 124.99 right now and also has a 16gb a-data usb stick on for 29.99

Absolutely great deal.

[flying triangle]

I am sure it has already been said but Canada Computers has the wdtv live on for 124.99 right now and also has a 16gb a-data usb stick on for 29.99

Absolutely great deal.


That is where I got mine. Great deal indeed.

[flying triangle]

Too bad you don't have a portable hard drive (powered thru the USB port) or an external hard drive (powered by an AC power supply) in order to compare performance to your USB thumbdrive.

I've never had any of my .MKV or .m2ts files stutter regardless of whether they are stored on USB thumbdrive or portable drive. That includes both 1080p and 720p. My WDTV Live is connected to my TV via HDMI and I've never bothered to try with component cables because I've had no need to.

You should also not experience stuttering of any kind if you connect to your computer via ethernet cable.

hmmm, I wonder if it's my USB stick? I just played another movie that was 720P rip and there was no skipping whatsoever. It was a much smaller file at 2 gigs compared to 4gigs.

Is there a recommended HD that I can use for this unit? Does it just need to be plugged into the wall?

[CHIA]

hmmm, I wonder if it's my USB stick? I just played another movie that was 720P rip and there was no skipping whatsoever. It was a much smaller file at 2 gigs compared to 4gigs.

Is there a recommended HD that I can use for this unit? Does it just need to be plugged into the wall?


I have tried, an external drive, AC powered, 4gb thumb drive, and even my digital camera card reader with both CF and SD cards....all worked perfectly.

I'm using the WDTV unit without the networking ability.

[sprung]

Got the WDTV Live for Christmas. Effortless setup. Found my videos on the Acer Easystore 340 and plays them all back with no problems. Great player and a good recent review/comparison of it here. (http://www.tomsguide.com/us/streaming-media-player,review-1479-6.html)

[jackson3]

does anyone know if the wdtv live supports wake on lan? i'm basically looking to see if i put my computer in sleep mode, will the live be able to 'wake' it up and then be able to share files from it?
thanks

if it does, the next step will be trying to figure out how to set that all up

[MooH]

Does this unit play mms internet streams ?

[brucered]

hmmm, I wonder if it's my USB stick? I just played another movie that was 720P rip and there was no skipping whatsoever. It was a much smaller file at 2 gigs compared to 4gigs.

Is there a recommended HD that I can use for this unit? Does it just need to be plugged into the wall?

could be. i played a mkv movie (x264 720p) thru my old 8GB kingson data traveller and not one glitch or hickup.

[flying triangle]

Just bought an HDMI cable and not only is the stuttering gone but it definately looks better as well. HDMI FTW!!1!!

Also, after a little reading it appears that I can indeed use an external HD full of movies and use the USB2.0 interface as well. My dreams have come true.

[ultimatejester]

does anyone know if the wdtv live supports wake on lan? i'm basically looking to see if i put my computer in sleep mode, will the live be able to 'wake' it up and then be able to share files from it?
thanks

if it does, the next step will be trying to figure out how to set that all up

Custom firmware supports WOL using optware feed. Try posting on B-rad to see how to implement this. I still haven't received my unit :(

[scouzi]

Got a NCIX.com PM at BB for $125.99 today.

[Beradon]

technically their all open source since their all built off busy box code so expect wdtv to fully release soon enough,since they were sued as of the 14th for not complying and they won't win. Its whether these makers comply fast enough thats the problem and how long they argue what is or is not busybox.Since WD hasn't released the source code for their products, how was someone like B-Rad able to write custom firmware for the WDTV products?


The other is the variety is splitting available resources too much instead of like xbmc with one large community. the flip side is wdtv has b-rad which has had a year head start. But realtek based units have complied to the open source right off the hop. Mivx released basically the whole code almost that benifits all the 1073dd based units which makes catching up alot easier.I agree that there is too many products. I think this is where the manufacturers have to entice a following by releasing a good product. In the mean time coders should agree to support only the best open source player available on the market. Best as in having all the features everyone needs (eg DTS downmix, RMVB decoding, e-sata port, etc...). This should kill off all these other wannabe players on the market.

[Vinman]

Right now the WDTV Live is the best by a country mile, as no other device fully supports full networking, file management and remote host features like the WDTV Live! - I'm about ready to *try* and sell off my O!Play and grab another one.

[Beradon]

Right now the WDTV Live is the best by a country mile, as no other device fully supports full networking, file management and remote host features like the WDTV Live! - I'm about ready to *try* and sell off my O!Play and grab another one.There's also a chance the O!play could have these networking features through new firmware. It all depends on how long you want to wait.

[lead]

Since WD hasn't released the source code for their products, how was someone like B-Rad able to write custom firmware for the WDTV products?

I agree that there is too many products. I think this is where the manufacturers have to entice a following by releasing a good product. In the mean time coders should agree to support only the best open source player available on the market. Best as in having all the features everyone needs (eg DTS downmix, RMVB decoding, e-sata port, etc...). This should kill off all these other wannabe players on the market.

as far as I can remember he just hacked in thru the telenet. For example the o!play's telent was wide open from the get go . Basically most of the functions minus the codecs/gui was busy box code so basically if you request it they must give it. Another example is say the o!play. A guy contacted realtek for the boot order code and was sent it. Thats part of the copywrite, wow nice!.

What you have is sigma and realtek based boxes right now. The chip maufacturer's has control over over codecs because they are licensed. Hence no dts downmixing for original or no rvmb for either. they didn't pay for that but wdtv payed for it for the mini version and viola its there. They didn't pay for macrovision and hence no iso menu support the biggest reason i returned the wdtv. I needed it for my library and was useless to me without it. Interesting was wdtv has finally stated no iso support period, not publicly but thru emails if you enquire(posted @wdtv forums). Yet you still can play the largest file in the iso. I guess thats a licensing loophole right there.

As for remote acess on o!play well the roadmap indicates its coming in this Jan.(next firmware) and full nas with full hd for rvmb, new gui by march. but for those who can't wait theirs a simple script you can telenet in for it if you want it now with more busybox stuff like nas and torrenting.You can find it at avsforum or minimodding the guy posted the script.
I like the the idea of vlc player on the o!play or realtek based units in particular one individual is working on.

[rodenti]

I was going to pick one of these up, but went crazy and bought the Acer aspite tevo r3610 to put xbmc on... it is on its way....

in the mean time I have the belkin usb n1 mimo adapter, it anyone is interested. Here are the USB Adapters that we've tested: Ralink based

Manufacturer Model # Device Name
Belkin F5D8055 N1 Wireless USB adapter
Belkin F5D8051 N1 Wireless USB adapter
Buffalo WLI-UC-G300HP Wireless N compact USB 2.0 Adapter
Buffalo WLI-UC-G300N Wireless N compact USB 2.0 Adapter
Buffalo WLI-UC-GN Mini
D-Link DWA-140 Rangebooster N USB Adapter
EnGenius EUB-9701 Wireless N adapter
Linksys WUSB100 Rangeplus wireless network usb adapter
Linksys WUSB600N Wireless-N USB network adapter with dual-band
Trendnet TEW-644UB Wireless N USB adapter
Trendnet TEW-645UB Wireless N USB adapter
Trendnet TEW-664UB 300Mbps Dual Band WirelessN USB Adapter
Sitecom WL-329 Wireless Dualband USB Adapter

I have the FSD8051, it is brand new, have box, etc.. 40 fora nyone who wants it, I am in Richmond hill.

I might still pick the wd live up, but it will be wired, I love the mkv support.

If anyone is looking for a cheap USB Network Adapter that works with the WDTV Live check out the Engenius EUB-9703 at PC Cyber for $15.77 (http://pccyber.com/?v=product&i=LAN-ENG-EUB-9703).

I picked one up and it works great.

[1C5]

Anyone having a problem with dropouts if using wireless and also if streaming bigger files (8 gig movies) wireless, there is lag?

[rvs007]

Anyone having a problem with dropouts if using wireless and also if streaming bigger files (8 gig movies) wireless, there is lag?
Yes, I experimented with streaming over wireless N network and it wouldn't be reliable. 1080p movies would start stuttering within a few minutes into the movie.

[deals_addict]

did anyone try to use teh LINKSYS WUSB300N to see if it works with the WDTV Live, I know it is not listed among the recommended ones.

[Vinman]

There's also a chance the O!play could have these networking features through new firmware. It all depends on how long you want to wait.

I'm actually starting to doubt that the O!Play can support this functionality, so I'm not holding my breath waiting for a firmware update. It does what it does, and the WDTV is just better.

[jdt]

Yes, I experimented with streaming over wireless N network and it wouldn't be reliable. 1080p movies would start stuttering within a few minutes into the movie.

With which adapter was that?

I don't know too much about wireless n, but some wireless n network adapters appear to be 150 Mbps (ex: EnGenius EUB-9701 Wireless N adapter), while others are 300 Mbps (ex: Trendnet TEW-664UB 300Mbps Dual Band WirelessN USB Adapter). I wonder if 300 Mbps also can't handle 1080p movies?

[Vinman]

Wireless N works great for me and 1080p movies, but I'm using a bridge, which handles the processing itself and just links to the WDTV Live using a standard network cable. Those USB adapters have a much higher overhead and are simply not as fast.

[jdt]

Wireless N works great for me and 1080p movies, but I'm using a bridge, which handles the processing itself and just links to the WDTV Live using a standard network cable. Those USB adapters have a much higher overhead and are simply not as fast.

Ah! Interesting. Can I ask which bridge exactly are you using?

[Vinman]

I have this:

http://img.amazon.ca/images/I/41Ui9MVVsjL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

http://www.amazon.ca/D-Link-DGL-4500-Xtreme-Dualband-802-11n/dp/B000Z7AKGC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1262189296&sr=8-1

Linked to this:

http://img.amazon.ca/images/I/41M0l-KYzuL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

http://www.amazon.ca/Wireless-Bridge-Access-Xtreme-802-11n/dp/B001769K3O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1262189358&sr=1-1

Which results in very high data links and excellent transfer rates. My experience with these matching units, as well as the configuration of my house/home theater, will not translate 100% to other hardware.

[X360]

If your wireless N able to transfer around 30-40Mbps which will be enough for those 1080p MKV.

However,


In a similar way, Windows might report a 300 Mbps speed, but your actual throughput could be anywhere between 50 and 90 Mbps (for example), depending on the draft 11n router and client card being used.

Don't Connect Draft 11n and 11b/g clients to the same router
A draft 11n router can also work with 802.11g and even 11b devices. But these much slower devices force the router to slow down to talk to them, which means a big throughput hit.

Use WPA2/AES
Most draft 802.11n products will knock your throughput down by up to 80% if you use WEP or WPA/TKIP security. The only exception are products that are based on Ralink chipsets.

Don't use Channel Bonding
So if you have been using 40 MHz bandwidth mode and wondering why your speeds have dropped, try switching back to 20 MHz mode to see if your throughput moves back up.


http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/30664/228/

The slow speed also affected by the maximum throughput USB adapter + CPU of the WDTV too...

You can also try the faster NFS UDP sharing instead of other network sharing method...

From my experiment with WDTV, I can stream wireless N most of the 1080p mkv by using HanewinNFS UDP mode with WRT610N 5GHz only + WUSB600N.

Also there some custom firmwares might cause the slow stutter problem because it included more running stuffs and cause the CPU of WDTV go up to 100%, no more CPU for playing movies...

[ultimatejester]

Got my unit today. I am happy with it so far, i think file management can be incorporated into the browser itself. Plays everything i have except for wma pro.

If there's any questions, please post them here and i will be glad to answer.

[dvdsales2010]

Can you hook up an external DVD player through the USB port on the WD TV Live? Has anyone been successful in doing this?

[razzy911]

Got mine a couple of days ago priced matched the WDTV-Live at BestBuy Laval from 169 to 124$.

I used ncix http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=42231&vpn=WDBAAN0000NBK-NESN&manufacture=Western%20Digital%20WD%20Retail

Works beautifully

[mjjrules]

I'm not going to read all 75 pages, but how do I get free shipping from New Egg? Was that just a promo? If so NCIX is actually cheaper as their shipping is $10 even.

Other then the youtube streaming, is there any advantage to this unit over the O! Play?

[brucered]

I'm not going to read all 75 pages, but how do I get free shipping from New Egg? Was that just a promo? If so NCIX is actually cheaper as their shipping is $10 even.

Other then the youtube streaming, is there any advantage to this unit over the O! Play?

only works on PROMO's i believe. they don't offer free shipping all the time

[hellohi]

Hey guys!! May be old news but, just to let you know...XBMC now has full 1080P support on the Apple TV and Mac Mini...it will be released in the next update. http://xbmc.org/ for more details. My dream come true!!!

[belowzeros]

Hey guys!! May be old news but, just to let you know...XBMC now has full 1080P support on the Apple TV and Mac Mini...it will be released in the next update. http://xbmc.org/ for more details. My dream come true!!!


love my xbox1 xbmc but it's very limited in the age of HDtvs because of it's processor. So i upgraded to a Live and love it to death.

[spotts01]

Just to be clear, this unit will play most video files sitting on any network share, eg another PC. The other PC does not have to be in "Media Server" mode like it does with a PS3 or XBOX.

Is this correct?

[Pr0metheus]

Just to be clear, this unit will play most video files sitting on any network share, eg another PC. The other PC does not have to be in "Media Server" mode like it does with a PS3 or XBOX.

Is this correct?

Sounds right to me. Although the Network Share doesn't work 100% of the time for me. Sometimes I have to reboot my PC or the WDTV for it to show up on the WDTV.

[Menace]

^^^ Try this


Like a lot of people I was unable to see the shared folders residing on my XP (Home) PC despite doing all that seemed to be necessary. The WDTV box would not even 'find' my PC from "Network Shares".

After a lot of fiddling, and faffing I discovered that at some point in the past I had disabled some XP services which the WDTV Live Network Share system needed.

It would appear that if you want to connect your WDTV Live to your PC's Shared Folders you need to ensure that the services "Network DDE" and "Network DDE DSDM" are not disabled.

To do this: Start Button, Administrative Tools, Services, locate "Network DDE" and ensure that Start Up Type is "Automatic". If it's shown as "Disabled", right click the "Network DDE" entry and use the Properties Tab to set it to "Automatic".

Then do the same for the "Network DDE DSDM" service.

I then rebooted both the PC and the WDTV Live and everything was fine.

Good luck, and I hope it works for you.

[pestul]

http://www.amazon.ca/TRENDnet-Wireless-Gaming-Adapter-Black/dp/B0024G48VA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1262360485&sr=8-1

This is a fantastic little rig too. I have no problems streaming 1080p through this. I have my DIR-615 in mixed n and g mode and still no issues. You just press the WPS button on both devices and they link up.

[Vinman]

http://www.amazon.ca/TRENDnet-Wireless-Gaming-Adapter-Black/dp/B0024G48VA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1262360485&sr=8-1

This is a fantastic little rig too. I have no problems streaming 1080p through this. I have my DIR-615 in mixed n and g mode and still no issues. You just press the WPS button on both devices and they link up.

The only problem with this is that it's only got a *single* LAN port - I preferred to pay another $20 for 4 LAN ports and hook up my HD, BR and XB360, along with my WDTV Live.

[Pr0metheus]

^^^ Try this

I'm using Windows 7, and just tried your suggestion. Unfortunately, there are no Network DDE options in the Services for Windows 7. Thanks though.

[RFDeal_or_NoDeal]

I'm using Windows 7, and just tried your suggestion. Unfortunately, there are no Network DDE options in the Services for Windows 7. Thanks though.

For Windows 7, try this posted here by Insomniac:

http://www.mede8erforum.com/index.php?topic=64.msg217#msg217

Good luck!

[MooH]

Does anybody know if sopcast streaming is enabled with the custom firmware?

[Frameboy]

Sounds right to me. Although the Network Share doesn't work 100% of the time for me. Sometimes I have to reboot my PC or the WDTV for it to show up on the WDTV.

People on various technical forums are saying that you have to setup your software firewall to allow the IP and your shares will work.

[harrybuckman]

If anybody still is debating about buying one of these things. I got mine a few days ago and it is the best $125+ tax I have ever spent on anything.
Plays everything I have stuck into it.

[one_human]

If anybody still is debating about buying one of these things. I got mine a few days ago and it is the best $125+ tax I have ever spent on anything.
Plays everything I have stuck into it.

I'd have to agree. I got mine for the same price and I love it. I recommend it to everyone I know. I should get a commission on sales!

[yellowsugga]

I just picked one up after having the asus o!play for a few months. I mist say that even thought the asus is a bit cheaper, I prefer the wdtv live much more. The interface of the asus is terrible. I'd you are deciding between these two, the wdtv is better.

[actsx]

Just picked one up at BB hooked into my DNS-323 nice and easy, streaming looks good...

Only gripe is that the wdtv didn't come with a HDMI cable.. but luckily i stocked up on them from monoprice lol

[sfrancis]

did not read the whole thread and would appreciate if someone can give me a jump start. Currently I have trouble try to play HD content stored on DNS 323 wirelessly (wireless G). Will this thing helps, e.g., I would hope there is a buffer function that allows one to play 1080P over wireless G link smoothly.

Thanks

[Beradon]

What you have is sigma and realtek based boxes right now. The chip maufacturer's has control over over codecs because they are licensed. Hence no dts downmixing for original or no rvmb for either. they didn't pay for that but wdtv payed for it for the mini version and viola its there. They didn't pay for macrovision and hence no iso menu support the biggest reason i returned the wdtv.

Would it be possible for these third party coders to 'pirate' these codecs and implement it into the firmware?

[Sheed30]

I just picked one up after having the asus o!play for a few months. I mist say that even thought the asus is a bit cheaper, I prefer the wdtv live much more. The interface of the asus is terrible.I'd you are deciding between these two, the wdtv is better.

I agree the interface on the Asus is not the prettiest and the WDTV interface looks better but other than the interface and maybe having the ability to stream wireless content what makes the WDTV Live better in your opinion? Both can play almost any type of file and from what I've read the picture quality is maybe marginally better with the WDTV....

Since you have owned both boxes what does the WDTV live do better than the Asus (other than the interface and wireless) that makes the WDTV Live better in your opinion?

[lead]

Would it be possible for these third party coders to 'pirate' these codecs and implement it into the firmware?

where as with the wdtv so far no, while a few are trying to port the vlc player to the realtek based(video runs no audio yet). whether their boring the codecs from the chip i don't know? Better question is why with over a year head start it hasn't been tried on the wdtv yet and in a coupe months worth of work on the o!play their close might be an answer that it may be chipset related. If its just built off busybox then off course it should.

[Vinman]

Since you have owned both boxes what does the WDTV live do better than the Asus (other than the interface and wireless) that makes the WDTV Live better in your opinion?

I'll chime in here if you don't mind.

I own both, and while both the ASUS and WD support network media playback, I much prefer the WDTV Live! for two very important reasons:

1) The WDTV supports remote host access through the network - you look under "Network Devices/Places" and *bingo*, there is the WDTV Live, ready to access/change/delete/copy files to the attached USB storage. The ASUS doesn't support this, and you cannot access it from a network PC.

2) The WDTV fully supports file management through the GUI. In addition to not allowing remote network access, the ASUS also doesn't have any type of file management functionality, you're forced to remove the USB HD to delete or change any files. The WDTV can delete files straight from the GUI or you can use feature 1) to delete it using a network PC.

Otherwise, they're pretty equivalent, but the second time I had to remove the (nearly full) 500GB USB hard drive and hook it to laptop *just* to delete some files and free up space, I bought another WDTV Live! and immediately put the O!Play back in the box. Great device in some ways, but extremely irritating in the basic functionality it's missing.

[Sheed30]

I'll chime in here if you don't mind.

I own both, and while both the ASUS and WD support network media playback, I much prefer the WDTV Live! for two very important reasons:

1) The WDTV supports remote host access through the network - you look under "Network Devices/Places" and *bingo*, there is the WDTV Live, ready to access/change/delete/copy files to the attached USB storage. The ASUS doesn't support this, and you cannot access it from a network PC.

2) The WDTV fully supports file management through the GUI. In addition to not allowing remote network access, the ASUS also doesn't have any type of file management functionality, you're forced to remove the USB HD to delete or change any files. The WDTV can delete files straight from the GUI or you can use feature 1) to delete it using a network PC.

Otherwise, they're pretty equivalent, but the second time I had to remove the (nearly full) 500GB USB hard drive and hook it to laptop *just* to delete some files and free up space, I bought another WDTV Live! and immediately put the O!Play back in the box. Great device in some ways, but extremely irritating in the basic functionality it's missing.

Thanks for the reply...Since I don't have my O!Play hooked to a network #1 doesn't really apply to me...I will admit though that having to remove the HD to delete files is irritating but it is not something that bothers me too much really..I need to remove the HD to add files anyway so I just clean up the drive then but I can see where it is very irritating for people using it on a network..Again thanks for the reply..Much appreciated..

[Vinman]

Well if you're not going to make use of the networking capabilities of the newer models, even the original WDTV Rev. 2 would work in that scenario. Networking features and support are what separates the newer media players.

[brucered]

anyone know why or if perhaps it doesn't even support it, but i'm playing an .mkv file and the audio shows DTS on the WDTV but my receiver is only playing it in DD Prologic, not DTS?

** update ** i just went into A/V SETTINGS on the WDTV main menu, selected AUDIO DIGITAL (instead of STEREO) and now my receiver shows it as DTS and the stupid bluelight is on. my receiver shows DTS-ES MATRIX, whereas normally it would show DTS for a true DTS, is this because it only supports DTS 2.0? there also seems to be a bit of a delay in the sound on DIGITAL

[Grimspoon]

Would still love to see more user comparisons from those who've owned both WDTV Live and patriot Box Office.

[santai]

Darn, picked one up today... didn't realize it didn't come with wifi inbuilt :s

What's the cheapest I can get an adaptor?

[kamran]

I don't have the WDTV live - it was sold out when I was ready to order. I have WDTV1 and the patriot boxoffice.

The BO plays everything including MKV's, DVD ISO's including menus, good subtitle support. The ability to put in a hard drive was the overriding factor for me, is great for portability, i.e. vacations. My wife likes the fact you can zoom the screen to get rid of the black bars.

However the BO menu is weak and quirky, WDTV is a winner here. The new firmware is weak. The networking is a little quirky a few times I had to reboot my router to be able to see shares on my Windows pc's.

While I am happy with the fact that I can play MKV's with DTS soundtracks, I believe all three players are weak: BO, WDTV live, and Asus OPlay.

The holy grail (for me) is the XBMC player, the usability and features are unparalleled. I am encouraged by the news below regarding Apple TV and the new broadcom card offering 1080p while foregoing the wireless.
Hopefully the 1080p project works out; I have ordered my apple TV (refurb) and broadcom card ($20 from ebay).
http://xbmc.org/davilla/2009/12/29/broadcom-crystal-hd-its-magic/
http://xbmc.org/wiki/?title=XBMC_for_Mac_on_Apple_TV
http://theappleblog.com/2009/08/18/how-to-making-the-most-of-apple-tv-with-xbmc-and-boxee/


Would still love to see more user comparisons from those who've owned both WDTV Live and patriot Box Office.

[pompoco]

Would still love to see more user comparisons from those who've owned both WDTV Live and patriot Box Office.

Ups no Box office but WDTVL and Asus O!Play Air...

well I just returned my WDTV Live to BB and keep my O!Play Air!

The interface on the asus is more sluggish and unresponsive compared to the wd.
On the R3 you casn copy files from/to storage and network even between connected devices.

The netrwork stability on the WDTV was crappy at best. I had it connected via cat 5e to my gigabit switch on which I have my Acer AH340 and my main computer as well as my XB360. Since I have my own workgroup/domain settings, severall netbooks and a ps3 connected wirelessly. I created a user with own set of privilaeges (wdtv) just for the purpose of accessing/streaming digital media to the connected tv. Only a few times I ewas able to watch a full video most of the time I got a "Network" connection problem/disconnect" after 5-20 mins. Copying something over the network was painfully slow.
I know that the network problems are very common on the WDTV and can be solved by using a custom FW or setting my domain/workgroup to the defaults but I'm not willing to do that.

The Asus on the other hand streams everything without a problem even wireless.
The only negative I have about the O!Play Ait is that the controls via remote are very sluggish but that might change in the future.
The picture quality on both devices is great and pretty similar. The asus has a volume control on the remote.
The WDTV OTOH has youtube streaming builtin but it's kind of useless with that remote...
I don't really see the point of attaching a Harddisk to the mediaplayer since that defeats the purpose of the streaming/network componennts (IMHO) but even if you need a HD attached the O!Play Air has a combined ESata/USB port. I have my media centraly stored on my WHS.
Both devices have AFAIK only a 100Mbit Port and with the builtin Wireless N i should get at least 150Mbit...
Both remotes are not sufficient (IMHO) for a propper navigation/selection in online services like youtube.
AFAIK the Patriot box and O!Play R1and R3 using the same realtek decoder chip and WDTV uses a sigma chip. So the basic features and PQ should be the same on the devices sharing the same platform.
The patriot box has room for a builtin 2.5" HDD and can use an optional wireless module. The WDTV can use an external Wireless "dongle" which will use up one of the two USB ports.
For me personally the new Asus O!Play Air is the device of choice, but the WDTV is a little cheaper and has a more responsive interface... and if you connect a HDD you don't even need the (unreliable) network functionality ;)

EDIT/ADD: Both devices play almost everything you throw at them, but having menu access on my dvdrips was very nice compared to the WDTV which only played the "main" stream on those DVDRips.The asus also played all of the (downloaded) maison ikkoku episodes (mkv comtainer) while the WDTV only played about one third of those...

[kamran]

well I just returned my WDTV Live to BB and keep my O!Play Air!


pompoco, no problems streaming 1080P MKV's over wireless N? I may have to upgrade my router :)

[pompoco]

pompoco, no problems streaming 1080P MKV's over wireless N? I may have to upgrade my router :)

Not yet but i don't know if I have any bigger 1080 mkv's to test that... (just trailers and clips, they run fine)
So far the bandwith was more than enough to stream videos simultaneously to a netbook (720) ps3(720) and Asus (720/1080)
I use a Belkin N+ with 150/300 N and 4 GBit ports as well as a DLink 8 port GBit Switch. My Homeserver (Acer AH340) with PMS (;)) send everything just fine so far. I use the network shares to access the video files and the PS3MediaServer to stream to the PS3.

Any sugestion on a nice 1080p testfile download to see how the streaming keeps up?

PS: I'm just getting Twelve Monkeys 1080p - x264 - dts - mkv 5 1/2 GB seems to be a good compromise between size and quality... and I don't have to rip my BR ;) i get back with the results when I've seen it (might take a while, Shaw seems awfully sluggish ATM with torrents).

[Vinman]

I don't really see the point of attaching a Harddisk to the mediaplayer since that defeats the purpose of the streaming/network componennts

I keep seeing this, so I'll explain it really clear.

Yes, I stream to both the WDTV Live and O!Play, but my PC is NOT online all the time. Yes, I turn off my PC and laptops from time to time, just to save a bit of power.

So I do hook up a hard drive to the WDTV Live!, and treat it like an NAS.

So when I'm on the network, I like to transfer large HD files over to the USB hard drive, create new directories, move files around, and delete unwanted files as well. That way, I stream when my PCs when I want, and can also have access the HD any time of the day, local or network. It's the best of both worlds.

Unfortunately, the O!Play does not support basic network functionality and cannot work as an NAS, or allow even rudimentary access through a Windows network.

[mark_in_2k]

The holy grail (for me) is the XBMC player, the usability and features are unparalleled. I am encouraged by the news below regarding Apple TV and the new broadcom card offering 1080p while foregoing the wireless.
Hopefully the 1080p project works out; I have ordered my apple TV (refurb) and broadcom card ($20 from ebay).
http://xbmc.org/davilla/2009/12/29/broadcom-crystal-hd-its-magic/
http://xbmc.org/wiki/?title=XBMC_for_Mac_on_Apple_TV
http://theappleblog.com/2009/08/18/how-to-making-the-most-of-apple-tv-with-xbmc-and-boxee/You're absolutely correct on this.

Yes, the hardware will be a bit more expensive to build on your own, but the user experience and performance is more than worth it. I've been an XBMC user since the Xbox1 days and it's been a part of my living room for years and is now installed on my Win 7 HTPC.

I'm also looking forward to adapting an Apple TV to make a cheap HD STB.

[KDKid]

What's the flippin code for free shipping? I can't get anything to work.

[lil_azn]

What's the flippin code for free shipping? I can't get anything to work.

First, Welcome to RFD...
2nd please check the date or the original post...

[KDKid]

Without ridiculing shoppers that have used this site for a couple of years now...Can anyone HELP me with a promotion code for free shipping. The article was renewed on the RFD page again on the 2nd of January with "free shipping" in it's title, implying that it's still, currently, being offered. So, once again, a little help?

[mjjrules]

It was a promo that is over now.

[slowtyper]

I keep seeing this, so I'll explain it really clear.

Yes, I stream to both the WDTV Live and O!Play, but my PC is NOT online all the time. Yes, I turn off my PC and laptops from time to time, just to save a bit of power.

So I do hook up a hard drive to the WDTV Live!, and treat it like an NAS.

So when I'm on the network, I like to transfer large HD files over to the USB hard drive, create new directories, move files around, and delete unwanted files as well. That way, I stream when my PCs when I want, and can also have access the HD any time of the day, local or network. It's the best of both worlds.

Unfortunately, the O!Play does not support basic network functionality and cannot work as an NAS, or allow even rudimentary access through a Windows network.

Hi,

I'd like to do this as well. When you transfer files from your computer to the HD, can you do it over wifi without having to disconnect it from the WDTV, or do you have to remove it and connect it to your computer/network first?

[Newtown]

Anyone tried it with the Belkin F6D4050 N150 USB G adapter? It's currently 19.99 at NCIX (http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=40619&vpn=F6D4050&manufacture=Belkin&promoid=1130) (Or 15.99 if you PM at FS).

[yellowsugga]

I'll chime in here if you don't mind.

I own both, and while both the ASUS and WD support network media playback, I much prefer the WDTV Live! for two very important reasons:

1) The WDTV supports remote host access through the network - you look under "Network Devices/Places" and *bingo*, there is the WDTV Live, ready to access/change/delete/copy files to the attached USB storage. The ASUS doesn't support this, and you cannot access it from a network PC.

2) The WDTV fully supports file management through the GUI. In addition to not allowing remote network access, the ASUS also doesn't have any type of file management functionality, you're forced to remove the USB HD to delete or change any files. The WDTV can delete files straight from the GUI or you can use feature 1) to delete it using a network PC.

Otherwise, they're pretty equivalent, but the second time I had to remove the (nearly full) 500GB USB hard drive and hook it to laptop *just* to delete some files and free up space, I bought another WDTV Live! and immediately put the O!Play back in the box. Great device in some ways, but extremely irritating in the basic functionality it's missing.

Everything said above is true. The sluggish controls are brutal. I also place a high degree of value on a nice interface (escpecially with thumbnail support). I find for the price difference, I would go with the WDTV live over the O!play however, others may disagree.

[rvs007]

Hi,

I'd like to do this as well. When you transfer files from your computer to the HD, can you do it over wifi without having to disconnect it from the WDTV, or do you have to remove it and connect it to your computer/network first?
Yes, you can do it all over wifi.

[Vinman]

Yes, you can do it all over wifi.

Second that, and there is an option for "remote host" to be activated, and once that's set on the WDTV Live! you open up "Network Places/Devices" in Windows and there is a "WDTV Live" location that opens up the USB storage devices.

Along with streaming, this NAS-like feature is one of the best reasons to have network functionality on a media player, and I cannot believe that ASUS didn't even implement basic networking on the O!Play.

[santai]

Hmm... I'm having a lot of problems playing a 4.2gb .mkv movie.

I transfer it to my USB stick and it'll play fine on my computer from the USB stick. When I put it into the WDTV live it doesn't start it, just remains at a black screen. Time is 0/0 and doesn't seem to load the file. My wdtv unit is then laggy until I reset to factory defaults.

1.1 gb shorter mkv works fine.

Anyone know what could be wrong?

[yellman]

Hmm... I'm having a lot of problems playing a 4.2gb .mkv movie.

I transfer it to my USB stick and it'll play fine on my computer from the USB stick. When I put it into the WDTV live it doesn't start it, just remains at a black screen. Time is 0/0 and doesn't seem to load the file. My wdtv unit is then laggy until I reset to factory defaults.

1.1 gb shorter mkv works fine.

Anyone know what could be wrong?

I have played 13 gig mkv files on this without problems. Is it possible your usb stick is using the older format? Perhaps cotnact wd for assitance. I use a hard drive to store the files.

[santai]

I have played 13 gig mkv files on this without problems. Is it possible your usb stick is using the older format? Perhaps cotnact wd for assitance. I use a hard drive to store the files.

Thanks I reformatted my usb stick and it works :D

[skywalker]

Yes, you can do it all over wifi.

So simply plugin a wireless USB adapter will do that? Or I need run a bridge wireless router beside it?
Thanks.

[DRC]

So simply plugin a wireless USB adapter will do that? Or I need run a bridge wireless router beside it?
Thanks.

I certainly hope I just need an USB adapter. It looks fairly simple from page 57of the user manual

http://www.wdc.com/WDProducts/Library/UM/ENG/4779-705035.pdf

Per Knowledge base article 3805 - The following devices have been tested and are known to be compatible with the WD TV HD Live Media Player.

USB Wireless Adapters:

Brand Model
Belkin F5D8051 V3100
Belkin F5D8055 v2
Buffalo WLI-UC-G300HP
New! Buffalo Mini WLI-UC-GN
Buffalo WLI-UC-G300N
Buffalo WLI-UC-GN US
New! D-Link USB Adapter DWA-125 Wireless 150
D-Link DWA-140 V1.30
EnGenius EUB-9701
New! Hi Power Wireless Mini-USB Adapter GW-USMini2N
New! Level 1 Wireless USB adapter WNC-0600USB
Linksys WUSB100 (No Revision)
Linksys WUSB600N V1
Trendnet TEW-644UB V1.0R
Trendnet TEW-645UB
Trendnet TEW-664UB V1.0R
Sitecom WL-329 V1 001
New! ZyXel USB Client Adapter NWD-210N

Looking forward to hooking it up when receive it, hopefully tomorrow.

[brucered]

So simply plugin a wireless USB adapter will do that? Or I need run a bridge wireless router beside it?
Thanks.

or buy a 60' ethernet cable from ebay for under $10 shipped and use that. more reliable and way cheaper, that is if it works in whatever room you want it in.

[belowzeros]

I have played 13 gig mkv files on this without problems. Is it possible your usb stick is using the older format? Perhaps cotnact wd for assitance. I use a hard drive to store the files.


I was curious, what was the older format you were talking about? Does the WDLive format a usb key for use on it's OS?

[rvs007]

So simply plugin a wireless USB adapter will do that? Or I need run a bridge wireless router beside it?
Thanks.
Just a USB wireless adapter is all you need.

[Eldorado]

love my xbox1 xbmc but it's very limited in the age of HDtvs because of it's processor. So i upgraded to a Live and love it to death.

Your xbox1 is the limiting factor.. try putting together a HTPC and see the real power of XBMC!

[spyglass]

Is this worth getting this versus payin up and getting a PS3? I'm not much of a gamer, but was thinking PS3 to replace the DVD player (to get upconverting) and USB/NAS/Wireless access to my Asus WL700GE router with 160gb harddrive built in (Wireless G).

My main objective is to be able to get my avi's (700mbs) to play on a 720p LCD TV (so I don't need BR yet). Better to get the WD live or PS3? Recommendations would be helpful.

Thanks.

[nelsonmp5]

Your xbox1 is the limiting factor.. try putting together a HTPC and see the real power of XBMC!

Yeah, my xbox 1 couldn't do x264 very well either. DVD drive is going too. Got an Nbox, has a usb and media slot, but not much else, good for $35.

Are you running XBMC as an OS (linux) or over windows?

[brucered]

well i've played YOUTUBE, avi, mkv, .iso all perfectly. DTS sounds works great, all HARD WIRED from my router to my WDTV.

sharing with the WDTV is very easy to set up. basically, right click on the fold i want to share in W7, select SHARE EVERYONE and it's there.

very happy with this unit so far.

[belowzeros]

Your xbox1 is the limiting factor.. try putting together a HTPC and see the real power of XBMC!


duh, that's what I said :)

rather use a Live! anyway on Best Buy's money (store game credit) versus building a HTPC even though I realize htpc is cheap. I have no cash for that.


can't wait for full 1080p XBMC

[rEDSpider]

picked one up today, slick unit, but.... plays wmvhd files but no sound due to lack of wma pro support. very disappointing as i was looking for something to replace my 360 to play these files. i bought it for both the hacked firmware (nzbget) and usb hub support. might hang onto it to see what wd releases for a next firmware as the chip can support wma pro, they just didn't licence it.

[rajojomanik]

Has anyone been able to PM at BB or Fshop lately, I would like to PM this week.

[Newtown]

Has anyone been able to PM at BB or Fshop lately, I would like to PM this week.
I PM'd NCIX's price at BB in Downtown Van last week.

[newt_101]

http://www.amazon.ca/Western-Digital-Live-Media-Player/dp/B002KKFP9Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1262696350&sr=8-1

$129.99 with free shipping

[DRC]

http://www.amazon.ca/Western-Digital-Live-Media-Player/dp/B002KKFP9Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1262696350&sr=8-1


$129.99 with free shipping


Thanks, I got one from NCIC for the same price but looking for one for a friend.
This looks a bit strange though...

Usually ships within 1 to 2 months.

[Vinman]

That's just a disclaimer to keep "I WANT IT NOW!" jerks away, and I got mine in a week or so. No guarantee, but I know Amazon doesn't want kids calling 24-7 asking where their WDTV Live! is, so they put an excessively long ETA.

[AirBosh]

What external harddrive do you recommend that is quiet? Does ESATA matter?


Thanks

[Vinman]

I use a 500GB WD Passport Elite I bought at Costco and it runs perfect.

[appleb]

What external harddrive do you recommend that is quiet? Does ESATA matter?

Thanks

e-sata does not matter because the WDTV uses USB.

Personally I use a usb flash memory stick because I don't like the idea of keeping a fanless external hard drive plugged in and turned on with constant access for hours at a time.

[rEDSpider]

Has anyone been able to PM at BB or Fshop lately, I would like to PM this week.

pm @ bb yesterday against memoryexpress price of $129.99 (no as good as pre-xmas or boxing day price of $119)

-rS

[EngineNo9]

Has anyone been able to PM at BB or Fshop lately, I would like to PM this week.

ya I PM'ed newegg.ca at BB yesterday

he added 15% restocking fee because newegg has a restrocking fee

total came to $144 without tax, $164 with tax

[sspikachu25]

looks like $129.99 is the normal price now.

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=025525&cid=VID.978

[newt_101]

looks like $129.99 is the normal price now.

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=025525&cid=VID.978

Seeing as that's the 'Cash' price, I'd rather buy it from Amazon for the same price on my credit card and double the warranty.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

wait for the PopBox (wdtv live killer)

http://gizmodo.com/5439293/syabas-popbox-get-ready-for-the-new-media-streamer-champ

[N-Guy]

wait for the PopBox (wdtv live killer)

http://gizmodo.com/5439293/syabas-popbox-get-ready-for-the-new-media-streamer-champ

Hmm, there seems to be lack on info about it, hope to hear more about it soon.

I've never been FOR the WDTV Live since it lacks RMVB support, hope this has everything I'll need.

EDIT:

http://www.itechnews.net/2010/01/04/syabas-popbox-hd-media-playerstreamer/

Still seems to lack RMVB :(

[brucered]

wait for the PopBox (wdtv live killer)

http://gizmodo.com/5439293/syabas-popbox-get-ready-for-the-new-media-streamer-champ

and once that is out, there will be a WDTV LIVE Xtreme or something else.

you can't wait forever and $130US sometimes means $200 CDN, but it does look like a nice unit.

[HeavyDutyKronos]

Hmm, there seems to be lack on info about it, hope to hear more about it soon.

I've never been FOR the WDTV Live since it lacks RMVB support, hope this has everything I'll need.

http://www.deviceguru.com/popbox-vs-boxeebox/

Sigma Designs SMP8643 system-on-chip processor: (same as the C-200)
o 667MHz MIPS application processor
o 333MHz security processor
o 3x 333MHz audio DSPs
* Memory:
o 512MB DDR2 SDRAM
o SD Card slot equipped with a 2GB card
* Audio/Video outputs:
o HDMI v1.3a (up to 1080p)
o Component video (up to 1080p)
o Stereo analog audio
o S/PDIF optical digital audio
* Interfaces:
o 10/100 Ethernet interface
o 2x USB 2.0 ports
* Remote control technology: IR
* Power consumption: < 15W
* Enclosure:
o Size: 8 x 6 x 1.25 inches
o Fanless

Same SOC as C-200 = WIN.

[N-Guy]

http://www.deviceguru.com/popbox-vs-boxeebox/

Sigma Designs SMP8643 system-on-chip processor: (same as the C-200)
o 667MHz MIPS application processor
o 333MHz security processor
o 3x 333MHz audio DSPs
* Memory:
o 512MB DDR2 SDRAM
o SD Card slot equipped with a 2GB card
* Audio/Video outputs:
o HDMI v1.3a (up to 1080p)
o Component video (up to 1080p)
o Stereo analog audio
o S/PDIF optical digital audio
* Interfaces:
o 10/100 Ethernet interface
o 2x USB 2.0 ports
* Remote control technology: IR
* Power consumption: < 15W
* Enclosure:
o Size: 8 x 6 x 1.25 inches
o Fanless

Same SOC as C-200 = WIN.
http://www.itechnews.net/2010/01/04/syabas-popbox-hd-media-playerstreamer/

But still doesn't seem to have RMVB support, what makes it fail for me. >_<

[newt_101]

looks like $129.99 is the normal price now.

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=025525&cid=VID.978

Just PMed BestBuy for this at $124.99 plus tax.

[JustinZ]

http://www.itechnews.net/2010/01/04/syabas-popbox-hd-media-playerstreamer/

But still doesn't seem to have RMVB support, what makes it fail for me. >_<

RMVB = Real Media?

what files are you trying to play that are RMVB? i haven't seen real media files for a long time

[jtking]

http://www.itechnews.net/2010/01/04/syabas-popbox-hd-media-playerstreamer/

But still doesn't seem to have RMVB support, what makes it fail for me. >_<

This one supports RMVB

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=025180&cid=VID.978

[stevelam]

RMVB = Real Media?

what files are you trying to play that are RMVB? i haven't seen real media files for a long time

you must not be asian :)

[stevelam]

http://www.deviceguru.com/popbox-vs-boxeebox/

Sigma Designs SMP8643 system-on-chip processor: (same as the C-200)
o 667MHz MIPS application processor
o 333MHz security processor
o 3x 333MHz audio DSPs
* Memory:
o 512MB DDR2 SDRAM
o SD Card slot equipped with a 2GB card
* Audio/Video outputs:
o HDMI v1.3a (up to 1080p)
o Component video (up to 1080p)
o Stereo analog audio
o S/PDIF optical digital audio
* Interfaces:
o 10/100 Ethernet interface
o 2x USB 2.0 ports
* Remote control technology: IR
* Power consumption: < 15W
* Enclosure:
o Size: 8 x 6 x 1.25 inches
o Fanless

Same SOC as C-200 = WIN.

i think i'd still rather go for boxee box. its running an established UI with tons of people working on it/plugins whereas that popbox seems to be running its own variation.

[bonita!]

Sorry to forum crash but what makes this WDTV media converter better than the others? I want to purchase one but have no idea where to start. I don't need a fancy one but what makes the WDTV brand stand out? Should I buy this one or another will another brand suffice for my simple needs; watching a movie or watching youtube stuff on my tv?

Thanks for any input:o

[brucered]

Sorry to forum crash but what makes this WDTV media converter better than the others? I want to purchase one but have no idea where to start. I don't need a fancy one but what makes the WDTV brand stand out? Should I buy this one or another will another brand suffice for my simple needs; watching a movie or watching youtube stuff on my tv?

Thanks for any input:o

i also wanted BASIC, stream movies from PC to TV, watch Youtube etc. WDTV was cheap, easy to setup, works as it should and comes from a reputable company.

[locodawg]

Was able to price match at best buy yesterday with newegg ... for 125 I guess you can't go wrong.

Hopefully I will be able to test it out tonight

Thanks OP

[N-Guy]

you must not be asian :)


lol


This one supports RMVB

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=025180&cid=VID.978


Thanks!
I'll look into this one, hopefully it'll have a nice interface much like WDTV or better.
Otherwise I might as well get the ASUS O!Play.

[bonita!]

i also wanted BASIC, stream movies from PC to TV, watch Youtube etc. WDTV was cheap, easy to setup, works as it should and comes from a reputable company.

Thanks so much! Sounds good.

[lead]

wait for the PopBox (wdtv live killer)

http://gizmodo.com/5439293/syabas-popbox-get-ready-for-the-new-media-streamer-champ

the popbox is a stripped down popcorn c200. No wifi/no internal drive.But has the higher end sigma chip than wdtv(wdtv compete's more with realtek 1072dd/1283 chips).Here's the gui for popbox pretty nice.
http://i49.tinypic.com/29m4z8o.jpg
This littleguy wants a piece of the netflix action. Its going head to head with boxee they got a designer from microsoft do the gui. Wdtv gui isn't that great its bascially a tweaked sigma reference design. Like the o!plays just the basic realtek reference. They both need more. But the popbox saw the coin in netflix and not everyone is going to shell out 299 for the c200 and why let asus/wdtv/ac ryan/mede8er/hisense/Mvix Ultio/patriot/god a new one each day/ make a killing in the sub 150 price popcorn wants a piece now

Lets look at it this way theirs roughly 4 players for todays hd network players. Currently 1) realtek with the 1073dd and 1283 chips.The difference is 50mhz faster built for dvrs, other wise plays everything the other can meaning equal codec support for either chip.
2) sigma, 3 popular flavors 8635/8643-4/8653-5. Sigma has a strangle hold on its licensing so extra codec support= increase in price per box(no it won't come in the next firmware payed up front).

In 4-6 months each branded box will be more or less the exact same(features) with really only wifi and internal housing being the only real differences. Like the patriot is really no different than the mltivio or ac ryan or icy box give or take 3.5 inch support. Their are differences in price and patriot wins their but its only 2.5 inch support.

However,tomorrow or this year we'll see 2 new players

nvidia integra 2 arm chipped based series= possibly what the boxee will be.

intel ce3100 just entered the game is going after the highest end player competition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YssuBHqDts8
theirs also already a network player using it at a phenom price.

The funny thing their all linux based! So what one can do another can copy to a degree(the last 2 support 3d based apps,thats a whole level)

[PuppetYuber]

if i purchase a compatible wireless usb adaptor, will it be able to detect my Telus wireless modem? Or do I have to purchase a new wireless modem as well?

[one_human]

I use a 500GB WD Passport Elite I bought at Costco and it runs perfect.

I use the same drive. Runs smooth and quiet. Looks good sitting on top of the WDTV Live too; same width, and curved in a similar fashion. I picked it up on sale a few days ago at Best Buy for $99.99. Unfortunately, the sale is over and it's selling again at regular price of $159.99.

[Civuck]

I use the same drive. Runs smooth and quiet. Looks good sitting on top of the WDTV Live too; same width, and curved in a similar fashion. I picked it up on sale a few days ago at Best Buy for $99.99. Unfortunately, the sale is over and it's selling again at regular price of $159.99.Does the WDTV Live power the hard drive down when it shuts off or does power continue to get supplied via the USB port?

[Vinman]

Does the WDTV Live power the hard drive down when it shuts off or does power continue to get supplied via the USB port?

I am pretty sure the WDTV Live physically shuts down the attached drives, as mine needs 20-30 seconds upon startup to re-initialize the drives - compared to the original WDTV which would be "on/sleep" all the time and immediately restart the drive.

[4 rubBeR]

I use the same drive. Runs smooth and quiet. Looks good sitting on top of the WDTV Live too; same width, and curved in a similar fashion. I picked it up on sale a few days ago at Best Buy for $99.99. Unfortunately, the sale is over and it's selling again at regular price of $159.99.

You shouldn't put anything on top of the WDTV link (http://www.maximumpc.com/article/web_exclusive/handson_wd_tv_live_media_player)...

http://dl.maximumpc.com/galleries/wdtvlive/wdtvlive_08_full.jpg

[one_human]

You shouldn't put anything on top of the WDTV link (http://www.maximumpc.com/article/web_exclusive/handson_wd_tv_live_media_player)...

http://dl.maximumpc.com/galleries/wdtvlive/wdtvlive_08_sm.jpg

Aw, but it looks so good sitting on top! It's just like the warning picture (although I have it lined up better). :razz:

Okay, thanks for the warning. Maybe if I sandwich a layer of something in between that won't directly pass heat from the WDTV to the drive.

[rui]

For the information I got so far,I will go for popbox for sure,hope it hits canadian market soon.I will get it right away.

[Vinman]

Okay, thanks for the warning. Maybe if I sandwich a layer of something in between that won't directly pass heat from the WDTV to the drive.

I don't think that will help, as the picture is obviously warning you to give the WDTV Live! adequate ventilation space, not the HD (which could be any brand).

[deals_addict]

Trying to watch a movie with AC3 by only connecting HDMI cable to the TV, I only see picture but no sound, do I need another cable for this kind of movie?

[rvs007]

Trying to watch a movie with AC3 by only connecting HDMI cable to the TV, I only see picture but no sound, do I need another cable for this kind of movie?

I ran into a similar problem with my setup, except for me, I couldn't get sound when the movie is encoded in DTS. Movies in AC3 worked fine. I read somewhere that some TVs can't passthru DTS signals.

I ended up running a separate digital optical audio cable from the WDTV Live to my HT receiver for the audio.

[sspikachu25]

I ran into a similar problem with my setup, except for me, I couldn't get sound when the movie is encoded in DTS. Movies in AC3 worked fine. I read somewhere that some TVs can't passthru DTS signals.

I ended up running a separate digital optical audio cable from the WDTV Live to my HT receiver for the audio.

do you still need optical cable if the receiver does dts?

[rvs007]

do you still need optical cable if the receiver does dts?
I should clarify... my receiver is old and does not have HDMI inputs. But it does decode DTS. I found that if I hook up my WDTV Live to my TV (LG 55LH90) via HDMI, then an digital optical audio cable from the TV to my receiver, I would not get audio when I played movies with DTS sound. So I suspect my TV cannot pass the DTS signal from HDMI to the digital optical audio output.

If I hook up the WDTV Live with my receiver using a digital optical audio cable, then I can get DTS sound.

[one_human]

I don't think that will help, as the picture is obviously warning you to give the WDTV Live! adequate ventilation space, not the HD (which could be any brand).

I'm not sure that's what it's telling you at all. It lets you know that the WDTV is capable of running very hot, and therefore you might overheat and damage something placed on top. I don't think placing something on top causes a ventilation issue for the WDTV as it has ventilation slots on both sides.

[brucered]

I should clarify... my receiver is old and does not have HDMI inputs. But it does decode DTS. I found that if I hook up my WDTV Live to my TV (LG 55LH90) via HDMI, then an digital optical audio cable from the TV to my receiver, I would not get audio when I played movies with DTS sound. So I suspect my TV cannot pass the DTS signal from HDMI to the digital optical audio output.

If I hook up the WDTV Live with my receiver using a digital optical audio cable, then I can get DTS sound.

same setup as me. WDTV to TV via HDMI (for the video feed), then WDTV to RECEIVER via OPTICAL to receive DTS (receiver has DTS, but no HDMI).

works fine as well.

[porphyra]

same setup as me. WDTV to TV via HDMI (for the video feed), then WDTV to RECEIVER via OPTICAL to receive DTS (receiver has DTS, but no HDMI).

works fine as well.

Ditto for me, as I expect a lot of people. Many people have perfectly able receivers from a few years ago that handle all the digital formats (except for the new HD ones), and don't have HDMI. As far as I am concerned, I don't see any reason to upgrade my receiver just to get HDMI input (that too, only the higher end ones can do real HDMI switching).

[brucered]

i would think HDMI directly to the TV would be best anyway, regardless of the receiver. the less units/pieces/joints etc that a stream has to interfere with, would make for a better connection, wouldn't it? that way, it is a direct line from the WDTV box to the TV, no interruption.

i do the same for speakers, i always wire them directly to the speaker, then directly to the receiver, no clips, no wall connections etc.

[rvs007]

i would think HDMI directly to the TV would be best anyway, regardless of the receiver. the less units/pieces/joints etc that a stream has to interfere with, would make for a better connection, wouldn't it? that way, it is a direct line from the WDTV box to the TV, no interruption.

i do the same for speakers, i always wire them directly to the speaker, then directly to the receiver, no clips, no wall connections etc.
We were talking about audio... obviously for video a direct connection from WDTV to TV would be the best set-up. But like I said before, some TVs don't passthru DTS properly, so in my case, I had to run a separate audio cable from the WDTV to my receiver for the audio.

[brucered]

We were talking about audio... obviously for video a direct connection from WDTV to TV would be the best set-up. But like I said before, some TVs don't passthru DTS properly, so in my case, I had to run a separate audio cable from the WDTV to my receiver for the audio.

sorry, i guess i didn't explain my setup properly...

i also run the audio cable (OPTICAL in my case) directly from the WDTV to my sony RECEIVER (which does support DTS, but not HDMI).

HDMI: WDTV to tv
OPTICAL: WDTV to receiver

[gershte]

My new WDTV loses network shares connection after 5 minute of playing any media. No problem playing this media from any other PC in the house. Tommorow going back to BB.

[paulo500]

I don't know if its been mentioned, but when i was at Costco lastnight, they had the WDTV for sale for $89.99. (looks like regular price)

[Slappy]

That is the original WDTV not the Live version.

[ADRiiAN`]

I'll post here to see if anyone could help me out.

I have a DIR-655 ethernet connected to DNS-323. Using Linksys 600N with my WDTV Live and i'm getting stuttering issues when I stream 720P or 1080P using WDTV live or even my laptop with the built-in Intel wireless N. Wired works fine. So it's something with the wireless.

Is there anything I could do to improve this?

[teoconca]

I don't know if its been mentioned, but when i was at Costco lastnight, they had the WDTV for sale for $89.99. (looks like regular price)
which location is this? Wonder if this one has DTS? how is original WDTV compare to new ones? i don't need wifi network.

[Vinman]

No, those are the really old ones, 3 generations removed from the WDTV Live!, with no DTS support or networking.

If you just want DTS with no networking, then the ASUS O!Play is a low-cost alternative. It does media streaming, but no networking, so you don't have to worry about the latter deficiencies.

[teoconca]

No, those are the really old ones, 3 generations removed from the WDTV Live!, with no DTS support or networking.

If you just want DTS with no networking, then the ASUS O!Play is a low-cost alternative. It does media streaming, but no networking, so you don't have to worry about the latter deficiencies.
which one? R1?

[juggie]

My new WDTV loses network shares connection after 5 minute of playing any media. No problem playing this media from any other PC in the house. Tommorow going back to BB.

Disable the option in settings (dont know exactally where atm) which tells the WDTV to share its media on the network. I had an issue with this as well, once i turned that off all was well. It may be related to the fact that my WDTV is not connected to a usb drive only the network.

[q95]

My new WDTV loses network shares connection after 5 minute of playing any media. No problem playing this media from any other PC in the house. Tommorow going back to BB.

Dude, this is a common issue -- but there are fixes for this problem. No need to return it.

I noticed this problem one day after I upgraded my firmware and was changing some of the system settings. I remember I turned OFF the Media Library feature. I simply turned Media Library back on and I never saw the problem again.

Other people mention to change your computer's workgroup name to "WORKGROUP" (since WDTV hardcodes its network workgroup name to WORKGROUP).

I also have a tip to improve the time it takes for the WDTV to see your computer and Network Shares: On your PC, Go to Control Panel -> Administrative Services -> Services. Change the startup type of "Network DDE" and "Network DDE DSDM" to Automatic. By default these services are Disabled. This allows the WDTV to find your Shares much faster (On my machine, it use to take 1-3 minutes after turning on the WDTV before I could connect to shares, now with these services on it only takes 5-10 seconds).

Get more help at: http://wdtvforum.com/ or http://wdtvforums.com/

[brucered]

Dude, this is a common issue -- but there are fixes for this problem. No need to return it.

I noticed this problem one day after I upgraded my firmware and was changing some of the system settings. I remember I turned OFF the Media Library feature. I simply turned Media Library back on and I never saw the problem again.

Other people mention to change your computer's workgroup name to "WORKGROUP" (since WDTV hardcodes its network workgroup name to WORKGROUP).

I also have a tip to improve the time it takes for the WDTV to see your computer and Network Shares: On your PC, Go to Control Panel -> Administrative Services -> Services. Change the startup type of "Network DDE" and "Network DDE DSDM" to Automatic. By default these services are Disabled. This allows the WDTV to find your Shares much faster (On my machine, it use to take 1-3 minutes after turning on the WDTV before I could connect to shares, now with these services on it only takes 5-10 seconds).

Get more help at: http://wdtvforum.com/ or http://wdtvforums.com/

i don't have any dropped connection problems, i've watched 6 or so movies, not one sputter or stall or drop, so i'm ok there.

i'm on W7 and my WDTV LIVE is harwired to my router. i've navigated to control panel > admin > services > but don't see the startup type of network dde listed anywhere. any ideas? perhaps this was an XP/VISTA fix, but it doesn't seem to be in the same spot for W7 or perhaps it's not that big an issue, it usually takes under 30sec for me to hit video, network then find my videos

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/736/network.th.png (http://img80.imageshack.us/i/network.png/)

[locodawg]

I seem to be having some issues ... its probably just me but just want to make sure its me and not the unit

So my TV is oldschool has no HDMI (yea i need to get with the times) anyways so I tried connecting using the componet cable and the screen is blank (using the Red Blue Green cables)... but then when I just pop it in the yellow video cable ... it works ....

And before anyone ask yes I did change the video source ...

Any idea what I might be doing wrong

my tv does support 1080i and does have a DVI port but rather just use the component untill I upgrade the tv

[J-Wo]

So my TV is oldschool has no HDMI (yea i need to get with the times) anyways so I tried connecting using the componet cable and the screen is blank (using the Red Blue Green cables)... but then when I just pop it in the yellow video cable ... it works ....
If the yellow cable is working that means the RCA video on your TV is working. Check the WDTV video settings and make sure it's set on 1080i and not 1080p, then try your component cables again. Did you try different component inputs on your TV, or do you only have the one? Have you connected other component inputs to your TV before without problem? You could also try an HDMI to DVI cable, or if you have an existing HDMI cable then add an HDMI to DVI adapter, that would give you better video than with component.

[brucered]

If the yellow cable is working that means the RCA video on your TV is working. Check the WDTV video settings and make sure it's set on 1080i and not 1080p, then try your component cables again. Did you try different component inputs on your TV, or do you only have the one? Have you connected other component inputs to your TV before without problem? You could also try an HDMI to DVI cable, or if you have an existing HDMI cable then add an HDMI to DVI adapter, that would give you better video than with component.

i didn't even know there was 1080p 1080i video settings on the WDTV. i'll have to see what mine is set at. my tv is only 720p, so i'll go in and take a look to see what it should be set at.

thanks

[Absolute]

Disable the option in settings (dont know exactally where atm) which tells the WDTV to share its media on the network. I had an issue with this as well, once i turned that off all was well. It may be related to the fact that my WDTV is not connected to a usb drive only the network.

Ahh, thanks for the advice! I was having a problem with playing off my DNS-323, with it saying it "Lost the network connection", and am in the same boat, where my WDTV doesn't have a hard drive attached.

I'll give that a try!

[tadk666]

Thanks OP I caved in and finally put an order in with NCIX. No prov. sales tax helps. I have been reading comments for month and I hope this device lives up to expectations.

[locodawg]

If the yellow cable is working that means the RCA video on your TV is working. Check the WDTV video settings and make sure it's set on 1080i and not 1080p, then try your component cables again. Did you try different component inputs on your TV, or do you only have the one? Have you connected other component inputs to your TV before without problem? You could also try an HDMI to DVI cable, or if you have an existing HDMI cable then add an HDMI to DVI adapter, that would give you better video than with component.

I did try and change it to 1080i. I have 2 component connections at the back of the tv ... both were being used previously and yep tried both of them ... but with WD there was nothing on the screen ... it was just black (which is odd because usually when something is connected and its off it shows a blue screen ... so it knows something is connected and its on ... but there is nothing on the screen) .... reconnected the xbox and works prefect no problems ... so this is why Im confused.


Maybe I will try and get a dvi cable

[one_human]

Thanks OP I caved in and finally put an order in with NCIX. No prov. sales tax helps. I have been reading comments for month and I hope this device lives up to expectations.

It will if you don't have unrealistic expectations like some people. I love my WDTV Live; it plays all my AVI and MKV files perfectly on my flatscreen TV... and that's exactly what I wanted.

[Eldorado]

I'll post here to see if anyone could help me out.

I have a DIR-655 ethernet connected to DNS-323. Using Linksys 600N with my WDTV Live and i'm getting stuttering issues when I stream 720P or 1080P using WDTV live or even my laptop with the built-in Intel wireless N. Wired works fine. So it's something with the wireless.

Is there anything I could do to improve this?

Simple answer, don't use wireless for streaming HD content.. in most cases it's not fast enough

[aqn99]

For those in Vancouver it's $119.99 at Compu2000 (http://www.compu2000.com/product/10165/WDBAAN0000NBK_NESN/Western_Digital_WD/)if you can pick it up at the store in Richmond.

[actionj]

For those in Vancouver it's $119.99 at Compu2000 (http://www.compu2000.com/product/10165/WDBAAN0000NBK_NESN/Western_Digital_WD/)if you can pick it up at the store in Richmond.

Hmmm ... i just picked one up @ BB burnaby for $124.99 ... I think my gas is worth the price difference ... so I'm satisfied with my purchase ... lol :lol:

[sleepyguy]

not sure if posted yet but Amazon.ca has it availalbe for $130 now free s/h... although 1-2 mths shipping time is pretty horrendous. -sg

[busakap]

tiger has it for 129.97, theres a free shipping banner too so i'm assuming free ship

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5255820&CatId=3675

it ends in 0.97 though which usually means clearance, is there a new one coming?

[jackson3]

2 questions

1)it's supposed to play mkv files, however mine doesn't see them on my share. it sees all the other files in the same folder fine (avi, dvr-ms etc) but not the mkv's. anyone have any ideas?

2)does the live work with the optware bin etc using the b-rad firmware (or is it just for the non-live version)? i have it loaded on a usb flashdrive, but i have no idea how to access it. i'd like to setup wakeonlan so i can turn my computers on to access them for their files etc.

thanks

btw, i can't access the wdtv forums as they are firewalled for me at work, so in case the answers are there, please humour me.

[karmanwalia]

For those in Vancouver it's $119.99 at Compu2000 (http://www.compu2000.com/product/10165/WDBAAN0000NBK_NESN/Western_Digital_WD/)if you can pick it up at the store in Richmond.

Will BB(Vancouver) price match compu2000?

[crane007]

I got one yesterday at the Ottawa West BB (Kanata). They were $169.99 but I PM with canadacomputers.com so I got it for $125.99.

Slick little box, but it is having a real hard time seeing my shares on my NAS. I ended up putting the b.rad hacked firmware on the box and I was able to manually mount my shares.

[lead]

I got one yesterday at the Ottawa West BB (Kanata). They were $169.99 but I PM with canadacomputers.com so I got it for $125.99.

Slick little box, but it is having a real hard time seeing my shares on my NAS. I ended up putting the b.rad hacked firmware on the box and I was able to manually mount my shares.

whats your nas? check to see if it supports mkv over upnp. A few don't and some you can't even see the mkv file because of this over upnp.

[karmanwalia]

Will BB(Vancouver) price match compu2000?

To answer my own question, I PM'ed at BB(Cambie Rd) for 116.99.

[u0dcameron]

This thing does onboard DTS decoding right? Networking is useless to me since I know it won't do 720p flawlessly and I could just use my 360 to network SD files.

[trini]

This might be a really dumb question but how does this compare to an Apple Tv unit?
Does anyone own both?

[lead]

This might be a really dumb question but how does this compare to an Apple Tv unit?
Does anyone own both?

if you ported xbmc to the appletv or boxee then its in the majors not the minors.

http://xbmc.org/wiki/?title=XBMC_for_Mac_on_Apple_TV#HOW-TO_install_XBMC_on_your_Apple_TV

[brucered]

anyone know what i should have the DEEP COLOUR setting on the WDTV set to thru HDMI?

8bit or 12bit?

[Absolute]

anyone know what i should have the DEEP COLOUR setting on the WDTV set to thru HDMI?

8bit or 12bit?

Curious too - I automatically set it to 12bit since it's a higher number (I know, I know, comical).

[Vinman]

If you have a high-end 10-bit panel with 12-bit or higher support, and your TV can handle it, the 12bit setting can result in noticeably better color and contrast - if you have a standard HDTV, then apparently it does nothing.

[belowzeros]

If you have a high-end 10-bit panel with 12-bit or higher support, and your TV can handle it, the 12bit setting can result in noticeably better color and contrast - if you have a standard HDTV, then apparently it does nothing.


I think Vinman means 10 bit Panel Processor with 12+bit Video Processor (mine is 18 for example) to make that easier to understand.

[Civuck]

If you have a high-end 10-bit panel with 12-bit or higher support, and your TV can handle it, the 12bit setting can result in noticeably better color and contrast - if you have a standard HDTV, then apparently it does nothing.The media itself has to be of the higher bit-rate which it won't be for video - not so sure about displaying digital photos though. Good article here (http://pcworld.about.com/od/audiovideo/What-is-10-bit-Color.htm) on the topic.

[Civuck]

No, those are the really old ones, 3 generations removed from the WDTV Live!, with no DTS support or networking.

Am I understanding then that there was a generation of original WDTV units (as in, before the WDTV LIVE and its ethernet port) that did in fact do DTS decoding/downmixing?

Is there a specific model number for that generation?

[one_human]

Am I understanding then that there was a generation of original WDTV units (as in, before the WDTV LIVE and its ethernet port) that did in fact do DTS decoding/downmixing?

Is there a specific model number for that generation?

Yes, the 1st generation of WDTV (WDAVN00BN) did not support DTS. The 2nd generation of WDTV (WDBABF0000NBK-NESN) does support DTS.

Here are some links for you to compare:

1st gen: http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=020860&cid=CC.978

2nd gen: http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=026849&cid=VID.978

.....

1st gen: http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10115467&catid=26259

2nd gen: http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10131806&catid=26259

[Vednar]

Fantastic player. For anyone sitting on the fence, I would recommend getting it. I did the PM at BB in Brampton and got it for 124.99. I just saw I could have gotten it for a bit cheaper but I am extremely happy at this price.

I have 3 HDTV LCD's around the house and could only watch my movies and files on one since that is connected to my Ps3 and I really don't want to move my consoles around to play a movie. I was surprised at how compact this thing was and how easy it is to use. My Ethernet connected and all my movies just showed up, I copied to USB and just like magic they showed up! In fact, my parents wanted to watch 2012 for the longest time and I have been too lazy to convert it into a DVD, I found this so much more better!


Thanks to all those who wrote their experiences with this unit, made my choice a lot more easier considering all the options out there!

[duckdown]

I wish the enclosure would support an internal disk..

[actionj]

For anybody who is doing the wireless connection with the wdtv ... can you recommend a good wireless adapter priced around $30 - 60?

Thanks for any suggestions. :)

[rEDSpider]

For anybody who is doing the wireless connection with the wdtv ... can you recommend a good wireless adapter priced around $30 - 60?

Thanks for any suggestions. :)

wusb600n (http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10101370&catid=25614)

[adrianf74]

I'm sure it may have been mentioned.

Both Tiger Direct and Canada Computers are listing this at $129.99.

Best Buy has it on sale for $149.99 (naturally) until the 14th.

PM opportunity sees it @ $127.99 (or $125.99 after the sale). Was successfully done yesterday for $127.99 in Toronto; in fact, the check-out person "split the difference" for me at put it at $126.99. :)

[FatIndian]

I'm in Montreal and I tried to PM Canada Computers. They tacked on a 7$ shipping fee onto the price because that's what the site charges.

I tried to tell them that there are actual brick and mortar CC stores and they argued that there weren't in Quebec.

:(

[adrianf74]

I'm in Montreal and I tried to PM Canada Computers. They tacked on a 7$ shipping fee onto the price because that's what the site charges.

I tried to tell them that there are actual brick and mortar CC stores and they argued that there weren't in Quebec.

:(

Correct. They are not in Quebec so BB will add the $7 shipping fee (read the fine print).

[lexar123]

Has anyone modded these for a better GUI?

I know there is custom firmware but they add linux features rather then better OSD.

Anyone know some good sites for that?

[adrianf74]

Has anyone modded these for a better GUI?

I know there is custom firmware but they add linux features rather then better OSD.

Anyone know some good sites for that?

Not that I know of.

Honestly, though, I'd rather this GUI than the one on the O!Play. I mean, it could have a "slicker" look, however, it might not be able to play files properly or with crazy reframes (such as another product I know of).

[Civuck]

Yes, the 1st generation of WDTV (WDAVN00BN) did not support DTS. The 2nd generation of WDTV (WDBABF0000NBK-NESN) does support DTS.

Here are some links for you to compare:Very helpful - thank you. I had no idea there were multiple generations of the original WDTV. Not sure why you would want the $119 Gen.2 when you could have the WDTV Live for $10 more though.

Again to be clear, when you say "support DTS" - you mean the Gen.2 WDTV can internally decode DTS and send it out the HDMI or RCA analog audio jacks as stereo, correct? This being the distinction to the Gen.1 WDTV which could only pass through DTS audio out the optical audio connector for decoding by a separate receiver.

[adrianf74]

Very helpful - thank you. I had no idea there were multiple generations of the original WDTV. Not sure why you would want the $119 Gen.2 when you could have the WDTV Live for $10 more though.

Again to be clear, when you say "support DTS" - you mean the Gen.2 WDTV can internally decode DTS and send it out the HDMI or RCA analog audio jacks as stereo, correct? This being the distinction to the Gen.1 WDTV which could only pass through DTS audio out the optical audio connector for decoding by a separate receiver.

Yes, the "Live" has, what people refer to as, DTS 2.0 which dowmixes a DTS 5.1 (or greater) signal to 2.0 stereo which is handy if you just want to watch a movie on your TV late at night without the use of a receiver.

And yes, that audio is passed along the HDMI cable or RCA analog audio cable as 2.0 (Stereo) when set in this mode vs. the original WDTV which just "passes along" (pass-through) whatever the original signal/confirguration was.

[one_human]

Yes, and once again to be clear, both the 2nd gen. WDTV and WDTV Live support DTS. The 1st gen. WDTV does not.

[Civuck]

Latest version of the WDlxTV custom firmware (http://b-rad.cc/1112/wdlxtv-live-0-3-3/) for the WDTV Live has been released.

Version 0.3.3

[1226]

To answer my own question, I PM'ed at BB(Cambie Rd) for 116.99.

Thanks. I assume I'll have better luck at the Richmond BB than say Metrotown, with Compu2000 being down the road.

[J-Wo]

Latest version of the WDlxTV custom firmware (http://b-rad.cc/1112/wdlxtv-live-0-3-3/) for the WDTV Live has been released.

Version 0.3.3

Does anyone know how to use this firmware to mount network shares as a USB drive? I hear this makes thumbnails appear better. I've flashed to this custom firmware but so far don't understand how to enable its features.

[bowmah]

So WDTV Live will bitstream DD and DTS for the receiver to decode over HDMI?

How will it deal with DD TrueHD and DTS-HD Master?

[newt_101]

Has anyone modded these for a better GUI?

I know there is custom firmware but they add linux features rather then better OSD.

Anyone know some good sites for that?

I've also heard of this being a possibility.
Anyone else know?

[jblade44]

PM at Best Buy and get for less than 119.00...

http://www.compu2000.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=10165

[bowmah]

PM at Best Buy and get for less than 119.00...

http://www.compu2000.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=10165

1. Why all the mention of PM at BB and not FS?

2. Their server is down. RFD killed it? LOL

[Vinman]

1. Why all the mention of PM at BB and not FS?

Well, if you can actually FIND it at FS, then PM it all you want.

[jblade44]

1. Why all the mention of PM at BB and not FS?

2. Their server is down. RFD killed it? LOL

1. BB is more likely to have stock
2. Refresh your page and it should come up.. I had to load twice.

[rvs007]

I've also heard of this being a possibility.
Anyone else know?
Modded GUI exists for the original WDTV via custom firmware for that generation. From what I've read, the coding for the Live is much more complex so they just haven't gotten around to doing the mod. But I suspect it will come sooner or later.

[rvs007]

1. Why all the mention of PM at BB and not FS?


FS doesn't sell the WDTV/WDTV Live.

[bowmah]

ok, good price to PM at BB. So a question before the purchase. Noticed a bunch of users over at AVS indicating that the WDTV LIve had better video quality than the older Asus O!Play (non-wifi). Now the newer Asus unit has wifi but someone also indicated that the insides is identical to the older unit, except with added wifi and media reader. I am on the fence between the 2. Wifi is super beneficial. Can anyone give some feedback on the video quality between the WDTV Live versus the Asus Air O!Play?

[stevewk]

Just curious, are there current owners of this that can stream 1080P .mkv files through their network smoothly? And if so, what device are you using to stream the files from?

[Carbo]

Just curious, are there current owners of this that can stream 1080P .mkv files through their network smoothly? And if so, what device are you using to stream the files from?

I use Tversity to stream my mkv's to my LIVE. That being said, it would be the same as just streaming though no program (ie setting up a network share) and streaming the mkv.

Performance is going to depend on your network. 1080p streams beautifully through my powerline network from my PC -> to router -> Powerline -> Switch -> WDTV Live

[rvs007]

Just curious, are there current owners of this that can stream 1080P .mkv files through their network smoothly? And if so, what device are you using to stream the files from?
In my case, my 1080p material was stored on a PC in the computer room. TV & WDTV is in the family room on the same level but about 50 ft. (2 rooms) away. I've tried:

1. Wireless N network (with simultaneous band wireless N router so that only the WDTV is streaming on the 5Ghz band; everything else is on the 2.4Ghz) - Result: No luck; 1080p stutters.

2. Using powerline ethernet network (one in computer room & the other in the family room) - Result: Much better but still some stuttering (esp. high bitrate rips).

3. 50 ft. ethernet RJ45 cable - Result: No stuttering; works perfect.

4. Using powerline ethernet network and a 500GB passport elite USB ext. HDD connected to the WDTV - Result: HD material is copied to the USB hard drive via the powerline connection; HD playback from the hard drive; lower bitrate material can be streamed through the powerline network. Result: No stuttering; works perfect; but WDTV has to be on all the time for the PC to see the USB hard drive.

[adrianf74]

How will [the WDTV Live] deal with DD TrueHD and DTS-HD Master?

http://tinyurl.com/yhqdw49

[frugal_fanboy]

Modded GUI exists for the original WDTV via custom firmware for that generation. From what I've read, the coding for the Live is much more complex so they just haven't gotten around to doing the mod. But I suspect it will come sooner or later.

Custom firmware is also available for the Live.

http://b-rad.cc/

[rvs007]

Custom firmware is also available for the Live.

http://b-rad.cc/

I know the customer firmware is out for the Live... I meant the mod for the GUI...

[bowmah]

Does Compu2000 have physical stores? Don't want to pay the BB shipping fee.

[deals_addict]

Trying to watch a movie with AC3 audio, but no sound only picture although I connected a separate digital audio cable to TV along with HDMI cable, the TV is Panasonic TH50PX80

[harrybuckman]

go into a/v settings and switch the audio from digital to sterio or the reverse

[rvs007]

Does Compu2000 have physical stores? Don't want to pay the BB shipping fee.

http://www.compu2000.com/index.php?l=page_view&p=contact_us

[lexar123]

Custom firmware is also available for the Live.

http://b-rad.cc/



All these custom firmwares just add linux functionality such as bittorrent, webserver, NZB, SSH, FTP, etc

But I am not really interested into making this a linux box. I just want a better GUI and better thumbnails, maybe even some content scrapers to get info from IMDB or something.

[sprung]

New, official WD firmware just released. Version 1.01.17. Get it here. (http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/updates/?family=wdfwdtv_live)

Upgrade went fine for me via web. Interface seems faster now, that's about it. Still have the Youtube log-in/reboot problem...

[Absolute]

New, official WD firmware just released. Version 1.01.17. Get it here. (http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/updates/?family=wdfwdtv_live)

Definitely a faster interface now - but seems to be a little too fast when it comes to scanning files. I tried to play a single MP3 file that worked before on my 1.01.11 (when it didn't give me network timeout issues), but the first two times I tried it after the upgrade, I was told the format wasn't supported.

And yet, on the third (angry) attempt, it played without a problem.

I like the WD TV Live.... but I'm really not happy about it not playing Xvid files with MP3 audio over the network. Grr.

[bowmah]

I don't know. Just got the WDTV Live setup and have been playing with it. Not impressed with the inability to view network share via a path. If it did not recognize a share, you are SOL. Also encountered a bunch of times when an MP3 would play, the unit would reboot. It's going back tomorrow. Not even going to with the Asus Air either. Looks like a notebook it is.

[Mirx]

All these custom firmwares just add linux functionality such as bittorrent, webserver, NZB, SSH, FTP, etc

But I am not really interested into making this a linux box. I just want a better GUI and better thumbnails, maybe even some content scrapers to get info from IMDB or something.

Completely agree

[plip630]

where can i download hd/bluray movies for free? i been searching the net cant find it.
thanks

[rvs007]

where can i download hd/bluray movies for free? i been searching the net cant find it.
thanks

Not a topic for this thread and shouldn't be discussed in this forum. Try googling "bittorrent" and start from there.

[locodawg]

where can i download hd/bluray movies for free? i been searching the net cant find it.
thanks

Not really the right place to directly ask for something like this

but check the newgroup thread ... then again thats not free

[pompoco]

ok, good price to PM at BB. So a question before the purchase. Noticed a bunch of users over at AVS indicating that the WDTV LIve had better video quality than the older Asus O!Play (non-wifi). Now the newer Asus unit has wifi but someone also indicated that the insides is identical to the older unit, except with added wifi and media reader. I am on the fence between the 2. Wifi is super beneficial. Can anyone give some feedback on the video quality between the WDTV Live versus the Asus Air O!Play?

The O!Play Air and WDTV Live have basically the same PQ.
The O!Play has a pretty sluggish interface compared to the WDTV, but plays more fileformats. AFAIK the WDTV will never get more codecupdates for the player since they only licensed a certain amount of codecs from Sigma to dispaly on the WDTV and Sigma collects money for each chip used/ sold. The Realtek Chip used in the Asus, Patriot etc. doesn't have this limitations and the manufacturers can use every codec the chip is able dor decode/display...
I noticed that when the WDTV only played a few of my Anime Downloads and the O!Play plays them all...

Streaming to the O!play wirelessly from my QHS works great.
I tried some 1080P/DTS BRRips wirelessly and they work pretty good unless there is a LOT of action going on... Surrogates had about five stutters through the movie ranging between 5-40 seconds, Doomsday only 4 and Dark City went without a prob. At least on my setup (Acer AH340, Belkin N+, Asus O!Play Air, WDTV Live [returned!].
Evrything up to 720p/1080p is running fine wirelessly. The usual DivX/AC3/MP3 and H.264/DTS/AC3/MP3 run without any problems over wireless.

[jblade44]

The O!Play Air and WDTV Live have basically the same PQ.
The O!Play has a pretty sluggish interface compared to the WDTV, but plays more fileformats. AFAIK the WDTV will never get more codecupdates for the player since they only licensed a certain amount of codecs from Sigma to dispaly on the WDTV and Sigma collects money for each chip used/ sold. The Realtek Chip used in the Asus, Patriot etc. doesn't have this limitations and the manufacturers can use every codec the chip is able dor decode/display...
I noticed that when the WDTV only played a few of my Anime Downloads and the O!Play plays them all...

Streaming to the O!play wirelessly from my QHS works great.
I tried some 1080P/DTS BRRips wirelessly and they work pretty good unless there is a LOT of action going on... Surrogates had about five stutters through the movie ranging between 5-40 seconds, Doomsday only 4 and Dark City went without a prob. At least on my setup (Acer AH340, Belkin N+, Asus O!Play Air, WDTV Live [returned!].
Evrything up to 720p/1080p is running fine wirelessly. The usual DivX/AC3/MP3 and H.264/DTS/AC3/MP3 run without any problems over wireless.

Does the O'Play play WMC7 wtv\h264 HD files??

[Tig]

New, official WD firmware just released. Version 1.01.17. Get it here. (http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/updates/?family=wdfwdtv_live)

Upgrade went fine for me via web. Interface seems faster now, that's about it. Still have the Youtube log-in/reboot problem...

Can anyone confirm if the new firmware fixes the audio/video decoupling issue during MP4 playback?

Edit: Update the FW at your own risk. Several users have reported their units bricked.

http://wdtvforum.com/main/index.php?topic=4135.0

[tvwatcher]

I'm reading of people having their units bricked after doing the update

Mine has 1.01.00 - got it at best buy in November - maybe I should just leave it with that firmware until they finally get it right

[EngineNo9]

did the update yesterday, units fine no major/visible changes

youtube log in still doesnt work, still crashes i even created a new account... annoying

[Tig]

From what I am reading in the forums the potential benefits from the .17 FW upgrade do not justify the risk of bricking the unit...

I think I'll stick with 1.0.11 until the dust settles...the last thing I want to do is wait out an RMA that might take weeks >:(

[pompoco]

Does the O'Play play WMC7 wtv\h264 HD files??

point me to some files encoded with that and I give it a try.

[one_human]

I'm reading of people having their units bricked after doing the update

Mine has 1.01.00 - got it at best buy in November - maybe I should just leave it with that firmware until they finally get it right

That's what I've been doing. I'm still using 1.01.00 as well. It appears there are more drawbacks than advantages when it comes to upgrading the firmware, so I'll wait.

[hellohi]

if you ported xbmc to the appletv or boxee then its in the majors not the minors.

http://xbmc.org/wiki/?title=XBMC_for_Mac_on_Apple_TV#HOW-TO_install_XBMC_on_your_Apple_TV

for $50 more, you could port it to xbmc which now does 1080P with the broadcom chip mod.

[brucered]

i updated mine, works fine.

[bungaboy]

I updated mine without any problems.

[jblade44]

I'm reading of people having their units bricked after doing the update

Mine has 1.01.00 - got it at best buy in November - maybe I should just leave it with that firmware until they finally get it right

A friend of mine had his bricked when he applied the short lived 1.0.12 update and had to RMA.. took 2 weeks... so I would always wait a few days to see if they pull the update before I applied.

[betamaxman]

HD files downloaded from revision3 still are out of sync with the audio by 8 seconds and .mov files from my camera have no audio still, so it fixed nothing for me. This worked fine with the original firmware when I first bought the box. And all play fine on my linksys media extender. Another annoying item is if the wdtvlive chokes on a file, it refuses to play another file of the same type unless you reboot the device, by pulling the cable after shutting it down.

[one_human]

HD files downloaded from revision3 still are out of sync with the audio by 8 seconds and .mov files from my camera have no audio still, so it fixed nothing for me. This worked fine with the original firmware when I first bought the box. And all play fine on my linksys media extender. Another annoying item is if the wdtvlive chokes on a file, it refuses to play another file of the same type unless you reboot the device, by pulling the cable after shutting it down.

This firmware update wasn't supposed to fix anything other than the following:

Version 1.01.17:

Resolved Issues:

• Improved the reliability of the WD TV Live firmware upgrade manager by incorporating a more robust method of upgrading firmware over the internet.

Doesn't anyone read the release notes?

And if your WDTV Live worked fine with the original firmware, why don't you revert back to that?

You can get it here: http://rapidshare.com/files/293635105/WDTVLIVE_FW_1.01.00.zip

And this post explains how to do it: http://wdtvhd.com/index.php?showtopic=8778&st=0&p=12783&#entry12783

[U4IA]

Hmmm, normally I read the release notes but I wasnt paying attention the other day....

but, the update went fine. My only beef so far is still the thumbnails - jpgs showing up in the 'movies' folder... I tried youtube yesterday withought any issues.

[Absolute]

Doesn't anyone read the release notes?

Actually, it also includes a change to the interface that results in better speed/transition between screens.

[yogiz]

Wanted to buy Western digital HD media player live.
Best buy price- 149.99 on sale Reg. 169.99
Compu 2000- BC based retailer price- 119.99
for the week of Jan. 11, 2009.
Went to my local best buy(Brampton) and requested for a price match. They said they will do the price match for 119.99 plus $40 shipping charge!!(their website says $10 for shipping to my destination) Couldn't believe they wanted to consider shipping while buying in the store. After a little arguments, buddy agreed to price match for $140 which i didn't agree. then he got an open boxed product saying this is the last piece he had and wanted to sell that for $135. I still didn't agree and later on I found out that they had 6 more brand new pieces sitting on the shelf! lier!! What a joke!! and poor business practise.

Next day my buddy got the same price match done from another Best buy(Mississauga). He told me and I went to that Best buy and requested the same price match. I was shocked to here NO again. This time the excuse was, Compu2000 does not have the same return policy as best buy. Best buy has 30 day return or exchange and compu2000 has only 30 day exchange. What a joke again!! Since when did they start comparing return policies for price match? Does it say in their return policy? NO. What about my buddy who just got the same price match from the same store couple hours ago? The answer was, "I don't know who did it but he/she shouldn't have done it" Finally after a lot of arguments she agreed to give me price match for 119.99 but refused to do 10% of the difference according to their original policy saying that she was doing me a favour. The only reason I took her "so called" favour because I wanted to get rid of the Best buy GC that I had which I couldn't use anyways because of their internal system error and my GC showing 0 balance. But that is the whole different story. Try staples for the price match and you will never be disapointed. It seems like at BB every employee interprets their PM policy in his/her own way.

[mrtvgame]

Wanted to buy Western digital HD media player live.
Best buy price- 149.99 on sale Reg. 169.99
Compu 2000- BC based retailer price- 119.99
for the week of Jan. 11, 2009.
Went to my local best buy(Brampton) and requested for a price match. They said they will do the price match for 119.99 plus $40 shipping charge!!(their website says $10 for shipping to my destination) Couldn't believe they wanted to consider shipping while buying in the store. After a little arguments, buddy agreed to price match for $140 which i didn't agree. then he got an open boxed product saying this is the last piece he had and wanted to sell that for $135. I still didn't agree and later on I found out that they had 6 more brand new pieces sitting on the shelf! lier!! What a joke!! and poor business practise.

Next day my buddy got the same price match done from another Best buy(Mississauga). He told me and I went to that Best buy and requested the same price match. I was shocked to here NO again. This time the excuse was, Compu2000 does not have the same return policy as best buy. Best buy has 30 day return or exchange and compu2000 has only 30 day exchange. What a joke again!! Since when did they start comparing return policies for price match? Does it say in their return policy? NO. What about my buddy who just got the same price match from the same store couple hours ago? The answer was, "I don't know who did it but he/she shouldn't have done it" Finally after a lot of arguments she agreed to give me price match for 119.99 but refused to do 10% of the difference according to their original policy saying that she was doing me a favour. The only reason I took her "so called" favour because I wanted to get rid of the Best buy GC that I had which I couldn't use anyways because of their internal system error and my GC showing 0 balance. But that is the whole different story. Try staples for the price match and you will never be disapointed. It seems like at BB every employee interprets their PM policy in his/her own way.

Ah yes, they need another call to Best Buy Customer Service. This has happened to be a couple of times at BB and FS. I don't argue. I get the item keep the ad from the competitor, get the salesperson's name and manager's name. I call the 1-800 number (BB: 1-866-2378-289; FS: 1-800-663-2275) explain the situation and every time it has been resolved with an appology usually coming from the dorks you dealt with in the store. Especially when they try to pull crap like return policies etc. Nothing in their policy states that. It just has to be same item, authorized seller and not a limited quantity item. They are full of crap because if you go into BB or FS with the receipt from the competitor and it has already been purchased, then you have found the cheaper price. Time to PM and 10% difference.

Go after them!

[one_human]

Actually, it also includes a change to the interface that results in better speed/transition between screens.

Is this a fact or just your perception? I don't know from personal experience because I didn't upgrade. Not sure why WD wouldn't include it in the release notes if this is in fact true.

[rvs007]

Went to my local best buy(Brampton) and requested for a price match. They said they will do the price match for 119.99 plus $40 shipping charge!!(their website says $10 for shipping to my destination) Couldn't believe they wanted to consider shipping while buying in the store.

If you read their price match guarantee, here is what it says (I've bolded the section that pertains to your situation):


"Our Lowest Price Guarantee makes sure you get the best price on the products you buy at Best Buy and BestBuy.ca

Either prior to purchase or within 30 days of purchase (14 days for computers, monitors, printers, notebook computers, camcorders, digital cameras, radar detectors, portable DVD players, and air conditioners) should you find a lower advertised price, including those on the internet from an authorized Canadian Dealer, we will match that price and beat it by giving you an additional 10% of the difference.

Simply present us with your original Best Buy or BestBuy.ca sales receipt, along with proof that the item you bought is being advertised at a lower price. Once our staff verifies that the item is in stock and available for immediate sale and delivery at the advertised price, you will receive your refund. If you purchased the item from BestBuy.ca and there is no Best Buy store in your area, you can contact us at 1-866-237-8289 or by email at customerservice@bestbuycanada.ca.

The advertised item must be of the same brand and model as the purchased product, must be new and factory sealed, and subject to a manufacturer's warranty applicable in Canada. The advertised item must be sold through an authorized dealer located in Canada. Advertised prices must be in Canadian dollars, and will be calculated as including all charges applicable for next day delivery to your home address. Our Lowest Price Guarantee does not apply to advertising errors or misprints, special educational prices, restricted offers, mail order offers, rebates, coupons, premiums, free or bonus offers, OEM products, limited or minimum quantity or limited time offers, close-outs, liquidations, clearances, and special financing offers.

The terms and conditions of the Lowest Price Guarantee are subject to change without notice. "

So they didn't do anything wrong in charging you shipping when you price matched Compu2000 since there are no B&M Compu2000 stores in Ontario.

[crane007]

So they didn't do anything wrong in charging you shipping when you price matched Compu2000 since there are no B&M Compu2000 stores in Ontario.

I had the same issue when I tried to get BB to price match newegg.ca. I was able to PM with canadacomputer because they have a store in Ottawa.

[Absolute]

Is this a fact or just your perception? I don't know from personal experience because I didn't upgrade. Not sure why WD wouldn't include it in the release notes if this is in fact true.

Whoops, likes like there's egg on my face for that one. I really though I saw a remark on the initial release notes, but it looks like I was mistaken - sorry!

I do see some speculation on the forums that future updates may be on the way - in a few months. Conjecture, but there seems to be the belief that this update was made to resolve the 1.01.12 upgrade issue that bricked units, and is necessary to prevent this from occurring with the next batch. As in, units will need to upgrade to 1.01.12 first, before upgrading to later firmwares, as there's a chance for bricking if you don't have their fixed upgrade procedure.

Again - only conjecture right now!

[yogiz]

If you read their price match guarantee, here is what it says (I've bolded the section that pertains to your situation):



So they didn't do anything wrong in charging you shipping when you price matched Compu2000 since there are no B&M Compu2000 stores in Ontario.

I don't agree to this. If you look at their PM policies, they are different for online and in store. I have read and made sure that their in-store PM policy does not contain shipping charges crap. In my second attempt when they argued about the different return policies, honestly I didn't even want to argue with that non sense. The bottom line is BB(and FS because they are the same company) need to retrain their employees. Atleast be consistent with all the customers in interpreting their own policies.

[rvs007]

I don't agree to this. If you look at their PM policies, they are different for online and in store. I have read and made sure that their in-store PM policy does not contain shipping charges crap. In my second attempt when they argued about the different return policies, honestly I didn't even want to argue with that non sense. The bottom line is BB(and FS because they are the same company) need to retrain their employees. Atleast be consistent with all the customers in interpreting their own policies.

The fact that their policy on their website starts off with "Our Lowest Price Guarantee makes sure you get the best price on the products you buy at Best Buy and BestBuy.ca" would indicate that this PM policy is the same both in-store and online.

Whether you agree to this or not is up to you. But it's not unheard of that they will add next-day shipping to the price if you are price matching an authorized retailer who does not have a B&M store in the same city as where you are.

However, it is also my experience that some cashiers won't consider the shipping when doing the price match (whether they are not properly trained, have forgotten or were nice enough to "look the other way"). When I recently price match my WDTV Live with XpressCanada, they should have added the $5.99 shipping since they are an online retailer, but the girl didn't.

[yogiz]

The fact that their policy on their website starts off with "Our Lowest Price Guarantee makes sure you get the best price on the products you buy at Best Buy and BestBuy.ca" would indicate that this PM policy is the same both in-store and online.

Whether you agree to this or not is up to you. But it's not unheard of that they will add next-day shipping to the price if you are price matching an authorized retailer who does not have a B&M store in the same city as where you are.

However, it is also my experience that some cashiers won't consider the shipping when doing the price match (whether they are not properly trained, have forgotten or were nice enough to "look the other way"). When I recently price match my WDTV Live with XpressCanada, they should have added the $5.99 shipping since they are an online retailer, but the girl didn't.

That's exactly what I am trying to say. They shouldn't have considered shipping charge because compu 2000 is NOT an online retailer. The whole purpose of PM is not to challenge the customer to physically go to that perticular store and buy the item if he can but it is the guarantee that if another canadian(doesn't matter what city or province they are in, nowhere in their policy it says that) retailer doing the business same way that they do(online or in-store) can offer the lower price on identical item, than we would do it and beat it(than only the customer would go to them and not to the lowest selling retailer).

[RedFlagRobot]

Has the WDTV Live fixed its problems with network shares? I am currently using an original WDTV, but I have most of my movies on a server. I'd like something simple for guests, etc. to use to be able to watch movies. It's a bit of a pain copying files to a UFD every time I want to use the WDTV.

[adrianf74]

Both TigerDirect and Canada Computers have stock in store. Best Buy will match them. I did that on Sunday. They will always add shipping charges to webstores.

[sardanapal]

Well, I went to Donwnsview, Ontario Best Buy location and was told by computer department sales associate that "if we were to pricematch against amazon.ca or Canada Computers, BestBuy would be out of business, everything Amazon sells is so cheap. We only pricematch against FutureShop, Staples, WalMart, Sears, etc - big retail stores"

Don't want to waste my time anymore, will order from Amazon, since they are indeed way cheaper $129 with free shipping and 30 days return policy :)

[yogiz]

Well, I went to Donwnsview, Ontario Best Buy location and was told by computer department sales associate that "if we were to pricematch against amazon.ca or Canada Computers, BestBuy would be out of business, everything Amazon sells is so cheap. We only pricematch against FutureShop, Staples, WalMart, Sears, etc - big retail stores"

Don't want to waste my time anymore, will order from Amazon, since they are indeed way cheaper $129 with free shipping and 30 days return policy :)

Is this what their PM policy says? sure not. These idiots don't know what their own PM policy is. Every one has different excuses.

[ultracrt]

Has the WDTV Live fixed its problems with network shares? I am currently using an original WDTV, but I have most of my movies on a server. I'd like something simple for guests, etc. to use to be able to watch movies. It's a bit of a pain copying files to a UFD every time I want to use the WDTV.

Yes, it did. No longer need to copy movies to external HD any more.

[karmanwalia]

How long does WDTV Live take to scan the network for finding the shared folders? I have 2 computers and a phone on the network with only one computer having the shared folder. The wdtv live takes about 5 minutes to find the shared folders. Once it finds the shared folders, i don't have any issues playing anything.
I have Windows XP systems and WDTV Live is on version 1.01.11.

[brucered]

How long does WDTV Live take to scan the network for finding the shared folders? I have 2 computers and a phone on the network with only one computer having the shared folder. The wdtv live takes about 5 minutes to find the shared folders. Once it finds the shared folders, i don't have any issues playing anything.
I have Windows XP systems and WDTV Live is on version 1.01.11.

mine is hardwired to my router, but from when i click on meda shares, select my pc, it takes anyware from 10-30 seconds to find my movies. i have about 3-40 movies in my SHARED FOLDERS

[Boodie]

How long does WDTV Live take to scan the network for finding the shared folders? I have 2 computers and a phone on the network with only one computer having the shared folder. The wdtv live takes about 5 minutes to find the shared folders. Once it finds the shared folders, i don't have any issues playing anything.
I have Windows XP systems and WDTV Live is on version 1.01.11.


5 minutes uggguh .... I have 2 computers too, but i just hooked one up to my tv and i don't need to bother with this wdtv device if i really need something from my other comp i just grab it with a usb stick. i think its better to just go with a computer although its more expensive

[karmanwalia]

mine is hardwired to my router, but from when i click on meda shares, select my pc, it takes anyware from 10-30 seconds to find my movies. i have about 3-40 movies in my SHARED FOLDERS

In my setup, the wdtv is hardwired to the router and the pc is on wireless. I can view youtube immediately after switching on the wdtv but it just takes 4-5 minutes to scan the network for folders. The folder has about 80 movies in it(lots of subfolders).
I tried sharing the folder on the pc first and then on the laptop, but with the same result.
I upgaded the firmware to 1.01.17 today but still the same issue.

[Phils]

In my setup, the wdtv is hardwired to the router and the pc is on wireless. I can view youtube immediately after switching on the wdtv but it just takes 4-5 minutes to scan the network for folders. The folder has about 80 movies in it(lots of subfolders).
I tried sharing the folder on the pc first and then on the laptop, but with the same result.
I upgaded the firmware to 1.01.17 today but still the same issue.

My experience is quite the opposite. My shares are there immediately. I have more than 150 video files. I jst select the folder and they're there as oif I had just clicked on the folder on my computer.

I do have a question for you though. Do you turn on your computer at the same time you're about to watch something on your wdtv? If so, it can take a few minutes for the shares to appear.

[brucered]

to the above 2 posters. my pc is pretty much ON all the time and my pc is hardwired to the router as well. but i find it quite fast, not as fast as my pc, but once the WDTV has found my shares, i can move into various folders (TV, x264, DVD, folders whatever) and it is instant.

[crukkh]

WDTV LIVE is $119.99 at compu2000 and $129.99 at NCIX. PM at NCIX online, save $10 if you need it shipped either way.

Compu2000 link:
http://www.compu2000.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=10165

NCIX link:
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=42231&vpn=WDBAAN0000NBK-NESN&manufacture=Western%20Digital%20WD%20Retail

[bowmah]

I must say, having played with the WDTV Live for a few days, I think I am going to return it. Too many little glitches, UI is not friendly but made for tech savvy people. Also, no Wifi is a negative in my setup.

[Vinman]

UI is not friendly but made for tech savvy people.

Then you definitely don't want to buy an O!Play.

[porphyra]

I must say, having played with the WDTV Live for a few days, I think I am going to return it. Too many little glitches, UI is not friendly but made for tech savvy people. Also, no Wifi is a negative in my setup.

There may be no Wifi out of the box, but it certainly is wifi capable with an adapter. Some can be had pretty cheap.

[Menace]

Not until Asus make "Shortcuts" much user friendly such as adding "create", "delete" option.


Then you definitely don't want to buy an O!Play.

[bowmah]

After doing research on the Asus Air and WDTV Live, I purchased the WDTV Live based on feedback from users over at AVS. Their comments sounded informed and these were people in the HT arena so to speak. Video quality is important. But my first hand experience and conclusion after this week is that these units are not ready for prime time. At least not up to my standards. It's back to a notebook for all streaming. At least until the Boxee comes out. One can always hope right?

[Civuck]

Latest version of the WDlXTV custom firmware is out for the WDTV Live. Version 0.3.4.1 available here (http://b-rad.cc/1148/wdlxtv-live-0-3-4-1/).

[rinottawa]

Then you definitely don't want to buy an O!Play.

O!Play has everything except component video output.

I'm still waitting for a ideal one in my standard.

[Civuck]

But my first hand experience and conclusion after this week is that these units are not ready for prime time. At least not up to my standards. It's back to a notebook for all streaming. That's unfortunate - the WDTV Live has been the workhouse of our home theatre on a 120" HD projection screen and we love it. We've had very few issues streaming off a NAS including 1080p material.

I still think the WDTV and WDTV Live are the best cost effective way to get HD media on your TV.

[actionj]

WDTV LIVE is $119.99 at compu2000 and $129.99 at NCIX. PM at NCIX online, save $10 if you need it shipped either way.

Compu2000 link:
http://www.compu2000.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=10165

NCIX link:
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=42231&vpn=WDBAAN0000NBK-NESN&manufacture=Western%20Digital%20WD%20Retail

Thanks ... I went to BB Metrotown to get a price guarantee since I originally price-matched newegg ad for $129.99. I showed the compu2000 ad and the cashier had no problem to adjust it. $114.99 + tax

[Vinman]

O!Play has everything except component video output.

And networking, and file management, and remote access, and NAS, and... :lol:

[bowmah]

That's unfortunate - the WDTV Live has been the workhouse of our home theatre on a 120" HD projection screen and we love it. We've had very few issues streaming off a NAS including 1080p material.

I still think the WDTV and WDTV Live are the best cost effective way to get HD media on your TV.

I was hoping the WDTV Live would be an asset as well. It is kind of cool but with all the little quirks and having no Wifi is a bigger pain than I had anticipated. Notebook to stream!

[Inno]

Are people dumping their O!Plays to buy this?

I have been looking on BST and Craigslist and none to be found. :cry:

[karmanwalia]

My experience is quite the opposite. My shares are there immediately. I have more than 150 video files. I jst select the folder and they're there as oif I had just clicked on the folder on my computer.

I do have a question for you though. Do you turn on your computer at the same time you're about to watch something on your wdtv? If so, it can take a few minutes for the shares to appear.

No, my computer is on 24/7. It's the initial scanning for the shares that takes so long for me. Once the shares appear after ~5minutes or so, I can click on any folder and see the contents.

[Absolute]

Latest version of the WDlXTV custom firmware is out for the WDTV Live. Version 0.3.4.1 available here (http://b-rad.cc/1148/wdlxtv-live-0-3-4-1/).

Thanks, after taking a look at the features in it (at first I thought it was just add-on services for torrents, FTP, etc.) I plan on trying it out tomorrow. Please note this message from B-RAD though:


If you have upgraded to 1.01.17 then you will have to downgrade to official 1.01.11 firmware before upgrading to WDLXTV-Live. Downgrade instructions are always provided at the bottom of the README which is included in every release’s zip.

Looks like some nice add-ons there; I currently use my DNS-323 for all my iTunes, torrents, and file serving, but I like the additional customizations it seems to offer.

[Absolute]

No, my computer is on 24/7. It's the initial scanning for the shares that takes so long for me. Once the shares appear after ~5minutes or so, I can click on any folder and see the contents.

Hmm - since you mention loading videos from shares over the network, do you have an external drive plugged into the WDTV? I did discover a speed increase when I disabled my WDTV's media library and "share local drives", as I don't have any external storage plugged directly into the unit. From reviews, there are some options that it's good to disable, if you're using the box by itself, without an external USB drive.

Edit: One thing I have noticed is that it does seem to scan initially, and then cache the drive contents. I often need to back out of the file view, back to the network computer selection scroll, to have it refresh the listing with files that were added while I was inside a share.

[karmanwalia]

Hmm - since you mention loading videos from shares over the network, do you have an external drive plugged into the WDTV? I did discover a speed increase when I disabled my WDTV's media library and "share local drives", as I don't have any external storage plugged directly into the unit. From reviews, there are some options that it's good to disable, if you're using the box by itself, without an external USB drive.

Edit: One thing I have noticed is that it does seem to scan initially, and then cache the drive contents. I often need to back out of the file view, back to the network computer selection scroll, to have it refresh the listing with files that were added while I was inside a share.

Ok, I will disable the sharing of WDTV on the network and see if it helps.

[lead]

Not until Asus make "Shortcuts" much user friendly such as adding "create", "delete" option.

o!play now has the delete/rename option on 1.18 firmware. Hilite file left arrow you'll see the options.

[rfcxxx]

been wanting to try this out.

[karmanwalia]

Hmm - since you mention loading videos from shares over the network, do you have an external drive plugged into the WDTV? I did discover a speed increase when I disabled my WDTV's media library and "share local drives", as I don't have any external storage plugged directly into the unit. From reviews, there are some options that it's good to disable, if you're using the box by itself, without an external USB drive.


Ok, I disabled the sharing of WDTV on the network and now WDTV can see the network shares in 5-10 seconds(I have no idea why..). :D Thanks Absolute(Reminds me of Absolut!).

However, in the last 2 hours, WDTV has dropped the network twice, which did not happen earlier. I hope this doesn't happen again and is not related to disabling the WDTV on the network.

[Inno]

o!play now has the delete/rename option on 1.18 firmware. Hilite file left arrow you'll see the options.

So you can do this by using the remote?

Is that for the original O!Play unit or just the brand new one?

[hornjo]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Civuck
Latest version of the WDlXTV custom firmware is out for the WDTV Live. Version 0.3.4.1 available here.

Thanks, after taking a look at the features in it (at first I thought it was just add-on services for torrents, FTP, etc.) I plan on trying it out tomorrow. Please note this message from B-RAD though:


Quote:
If you have upgraded to 1.01.17 then you will have to downgrade to official 1.01.11 firmware before upgrading to WDLXTV-Live. Downgrade instructions are always provided at the bottom of the README which is included in every release’s zip.

Looks like some nice add-ons there; I currently use my DNS-323 for all my iTunes, torrents, and file serving, but I like the additional customizations it seems to offer.

I am looking for some one to "hold my hand" as I try to use B-Rad's firmware.
I am a rookie when it comes to custom firmware.
I love my Live as is right now. What benefits will a rookie gain from this upgrade?
I find the readme instructions are not very intuitive. I have tried reading posts on his site and I just get more confused.

what files do I need on the root of my USB - it is not explained in the readme?
how do I down grade to ver 1.01.11 - it is not explained in the readme?
"probably you should change to" - what does he mean by probably?

On a side note, my Live is connected via a ethernet cable, no problems watching MKV's network is found immediately.
I do have issues with media servers - PlayOn and Tversity.
I can see them on the Live but when I try playing video i.e marvel, ESPN...nothing happens.
Suggestions?

Thanks.

[Vinman]

Are people dumping their O!Plays to buy this?

Once I found out that the O!Play and O!Play Air do not support any networking or file-management functionality, and are just media streamers, I dumped mine back in the box and bought another WDTV Live!.

If WD adds Wireless N, there will absolutely no reason to buy anything from ASUS.

[olm729]

Once I found out that the O!Play and O!Play Air do not support any networking or file-management functionality, and are just media streamers, I dumped mine back in the box and bought another WDTV Live!.

If WD adds Wireless N, there will absolutely no reason to buy anything from ASUS.

My O!Play (R1) supports networking just fine, thanks.

I have it wired up Cat5 and if you know a little Unix, you can root into the box (telnet), setup a script (many readily available out there), and mount your Windows shares.

Granted, this may not be everyone's cup of tea, but to say it doesn't support networking, is a false statement.

(Using fw 1.17 btw.. haven't yet tried out 1.18.)

[Vinman]

Sure, and you can hack into anything if you have the time and skill, but to call this "full out-of-the-box networking functionality" is laughable to the extreme. :lol:

As a standard feature, the O!Play does NOT support networking or file management.

[pestul]

Yeah, but if you're the kind of person who purchases a media tank, I think the little workarounds should be considered simple. ASUS has a roadmap to improve the functionality of its devices as well. So what might seem arduous now, is likely to be added with future firmware upgrades. Have mine connected to a Wireless N access point (WPS) and streaming HD mkvs works flawlessly.

[Vinman]

From what I've read online, ASUS will never add file management to the O!Play (the device was never built for that) and it's doubtful that full networking could be enabled through firmware.

FAR more likely is an ASUS O!Play Air 2 coming out soon, with all these features and more - that's the way ASUS works, rather than add functionality to existing hardware, they just issue a new hardware revision.

[olm729]

Sure, and you can hack into anything if you have the time and skill, but to call this "full out-of-the-box networking functionality" is laughable to the extreme. :lol:

As a standard feature, the O!Play does NOT support networking or file management.

Laughable - do you even have one or use that one fully before you returned it?

Of course it supports networking.. it has a RJ45 on the back, doesn't it?

Setup DHCP or static IP, enable file sharing if you're using Windows and voila.. this works on my Windows boxes too.. or use UPNP (i.e. PS3 Media Server, Tversity, etc..), and that'll work over the network.

But I digress.. this is a WDTV thread..

(I've got the Live too, btw.)

[lead]

From what I've read online, ASUS will never add file management to the O!Play (the device was never built for that) and it's doubtful that full networking could be enabled through firmware.

FAR more likely is an ASUS O!Play Air 2 coming out soon, with all these features and more - that's the way ASUS works, rather than add functionality to existing hardware, they just issue a new hardware revision.

vinman your wrong thats what wd does they add new hardware thats why there's the joke more boxes than official firmware for wdtv original. You never read my reply its a few up,1.18 was just relesed yesterday. It enabled remote desktop which the roadmap for o!play said they would in Jan. Full nas is the next firmware in feb. Your jumping to conclusions stating that it wasn't built for it I have no idea where you read that online since from its release you could telenet in and enable busybox functions. All these boxes are built off busybox code they were designed for networking, . Anyway delete/rename functions have been enabled in 1.18 on file shares and flash drive.

http://www.f13pc.pt/ficheiros/F13PC_ASUS_OPLAY_FIRM_ROADMAP.jpg

[brucered]

i just changed a couple things per a few posts above:

NETWORK SETTINGS: share WDTV on your network: OFF
SYSTEM SETTING: media library: OFF

and now it's much faster. now from a fresh boot (turning it on) it takes about 15sec to load up the main menu. then when i click on VIDEO>NETWORK SHARES>BRUCE-PC, it takes approx 3sec to find my movies.

thanks for the tip guys

[bowmah]

But I digress.. this is a WDTV thread..

(I've got the Live too, btw.)

I have the WDTV Live now, not too impressed with it. No Wifi is a bigger pain than I had anticipated. I am leaning towards the Asus Air play just for the Wifi. Can you share how good the video quality is compared to the WDTV Live? And does the Asus Air output TrueHD and DTS-HD Master?

[brucered]

I have the WDTV Live now, not too impressed with it. No Wifi is a bigger pain than I had anticipated. I am leaning towards the Asus Air play just for the Wifi. Can you share how good the video quality is compared to the WDTV Live? And does the Asus Air output TrueHD and DTS-HD Master?

do you really think you will be able to tell if it's DTS-HD master or just DTS or just DD 5.1, i'm guessing NO :o

as for the wifi, i can't add any insight. i have mine hardwired to my router and have no need or desire for it to be wireless. wired is much more reliable and cheaper

[rvs007]

I have the WDTV Live now, not too impressed with it. No Wifi is a bigger pain than I had anticipated. I am leaning towards the Asus Air play just for the Wifi. Can you share how good the video quality is compared to the WDTV Live? And does the Asus Air output TrueHD and DTS-HD Master?
Just add a wireless USB adapter and you'll have wifi.

[FatIndian]

Just add a wireless USB adapter and you'll have wifi.

Can you guys recommend an adapter?

I have a 360 one but that one is incompatible.

[apvm]

are people dumping their o!plays to buy this?

I have been looking on bst and craigslist and none to be found. :cry:

+1

[brucered]

Can you guys recommend an adapter?

I have a 360 one but that one is incompatible.

i just saw one at costco (if you have a membership you can buy and try). it was an "N" trendnet usb stick type adapter for $36.99 (seen in winnipeg)

[rvs007]

Can you guys recommend an adapter?

I have a 360 one but that one is incompatible.

Go with the official list of devices that have been tested by WD...

http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=3805

[bowmah]

do you really think you will be able to tell if it's DTS-HD master or just DTS or just DD 5.1, i'm guessing NO :o

as for the wifi, i can't add any insight. i have mine hardwired to my router and have no need or desire for it to be wireless. wired is much more reliable and cheaper

It may not be easy to tell the difference but the receiver can tell the difference. So I am guessing you don't have an answer as to how the unit deals with TrueHD or DTS-HD Master then?

[one_human]

http://www.f13pc.pt/ficheiros/F13PC_ASUS_OPLAY_FIRM_ROADMAP.jpg

I think you mean "consistent" support. And "whether"? Is that anything like "weather"?

[pompoco]

Sure, and you can hack into anything if you have the time and skill, but to call this "full out-of-the-box networking functionality" is laughable to the extreme. :lol:

As a standard feature, the O!Play does NOT support networking or file management.

No, my friend...
The O1Play R1 may not but the O!Play Air does.
I got the
AIr running more reliable than the WDTV with shares and UPNP, I personally prefer using shares instead of a mediaserver, since the decoding is done by the player anyways and the (simple) filetransfer over the net has less overhead. And I got my files sorted in a (sub)folder structer anyways to make the filenavigation easier for the wife...
Only mediaserver I use is PMS on my Homeserver to get the stuff played on my PS3.

As mentioned before...
PQ on the O!Play (Air) and WDTV (Live) are the same.
O!Play supports more formats and may do even more within fiututre FW since the realtek is not "capped" as the Sigma used in the WDTV.
The O!Play has a very sluggish interface, but a much more reliable network connection than the WDTV, at least if you are using more than just a "default" network configuration.
The WDTV gets pretty hot, even stays very warm when turned off.
The O!Play air is cheaper if you add a wireless dongle to the WDTV and still has ESATA and a card reader... the WDTV OTOH can act as a (very slow) NAS.
If the WDTV would work more reliable in my network enviroment I would've never tested the O!Play. Both devices are more than sufficient to play your files conveniently and with great Pq on your displays.

[brucered]

It may not be easy to tell the difference but the receiver can tell the difference. So I am guessing you don't have an answer as to how the unit deals with TrueHD or DTS-HD Master then?

nope i don't. but like you said, even though the receiver can, if your receiver handles all the DTS formats, this any of them will play and sound fine.

all i know is it sounds good and the picture quality is good and i have yet to have a single dropped signal, stutter, glitch in audio or video. so the WDTV gets a thumbs up from me:D

[jackboot]

I think you mean "consistent" support. And "whether"? Is that anything like "weather"?

I couldn't care less how a Taiwanese programmer spells in English. I just hope they can keep to this schedule! Good things are on the horizon with the O!Play if they can come through on this roadmap.

[bowmah]

As mentioned before...
PQ on the O!Play (Air) and WDTV (Live) are the same.
O!Play supports more formats and may do even more within fiututre FW since the realtek is not "capped" as the Sigma used in the WDTV.

UI aside, it's glad to know video quality is similar in both units. Can you share how the O!play deal with these via HDMI:

- DD
- DD TrueHD
- DTS
- DTS-HD Master

I am almost ready to return the WDTV Live and purchase an Asus Air. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

[adrianf74]

If WD adds Wireless N, there will absolutely no reason to buy anything from ASUS.

And even then, you'll be extremely hard pressed to see 1080p over N, anyhow.

So, if you want a sure-bet, you're still gonna wanna run your connection via an ethernet cable. I know some people were all excited that the Xtreamer came with a Wireless N adapter; it could do 720p on a good day but 1080p choked and stuttered.

[Menace]

New very useful feature in the latest firmware 1.18

You now can customize (add/modify/delete) your "Shortcut" by press left arrow in "My Shortcut". However, I couldn't enter an IP in "FileServerIP", I just entered a hostname instead. Cool! I wish WDTV Live will add that in their firmware.


Not until Asus make "Shortcuts" much user friendly such as adding "create", "delete" option.

[Moose04]

Aw, but it looks so good sitting on top! It's just like the warning picture (although I have it lined up better). :razz:

Okay, thanks for the warning. Maybe if I sandwich a layer of something in between that won't directly pass heat from the WDTV to the drive.

Warning. I stood my WDHDTV on its side and put my WD Passport drive beside it and it overheated my Passport and killed it.

[lead]

And even then, you'll be extremely hard pressed to see 1080p over N, anyhow.

So, if you want a sure-bet, you're still gonna wanna run your connection via an ethernet cable. I know some people were all excited that the Xtreamer came with a Wireless N adapter; it could do 720p on a good day but 1080p choked and stuttered.

I can max the oplays lan port with my n bridge it was under 30 bucks and connect your consoles to it as well.

[one_human]

Warning. I stood my WDHDTV on its side and put my WD Passport drive beside it and it overheated my Passport and killed it.

If you had the WDTV on its side, wouldn't that mean you were completely blocking the vents on that side? No wonder it overheated.

[Newtown]

I can max the oplays lan port with my n bridge it was under 30 bucks and connect your consoles to it as well.
Can you give some more details like what router you're using etc.

Thanks

[lead]

dir 655 host router

bridges
comstar n from FS, upnp will max the line through a floor
Rosewill/engenius clone n from Newegg was ftping yesterday at 3.5-4.5 thru 2 floors. Neither required 3d party firmware all stock

[dj1952]

I picked up a WDTV Live a couple of weeks back specifically for the youtube videos feature, but honestly I'm not too happy with it because there appears to be a major bug in that when you log in with your youtube account it reboots the unit everytime and will not allow me to log in. I can view youtube videos just fine if I don't log and can even play HD youtube videos that look great but really disappointed that I can't use my account which has all my fav videos, subscriptions, etc. It did this when I first got it so I checked and my firmware was quite old so first thing I did was upgrade to the latest version and even after that it still does the same thing. Did a search on the WDTV forums and found many other users complaining of the exact same problem with no solution or response from WD about it.

So if you want this unit specifically for youtube like I did be forwarned.

[brucered]

snip...So if you want this unit specifically for youtube like I did be forwarned.

if you want a unit to watch youtube on, why wouldn't you just watch them on your PC, i mean most youtube videos are only a couple minutes, why would you want a dedicated box to watch them on a large screen? :confused:

[dj1952]

if you want a unit to watch youtube on, why wouldn't you just watch them on your PC, i mean most youtube videos are only a couple minutes, why would you want a dedicated box to watch them on a large screen? :confused:

Trust me I'm not the only one who would rather sit on a comfy couch in your living room then on an office chair in front of PC with a small screen to boot. There are tons of youtube videos like seminars, instructional videos, etc that over an hour long! eg. Google Techtalks which are HD and usually 1hour plus.

Youtube isn't just about little 30 sec clips anymore like it used to be....

[lead]

if you want a unit to watch youtube on, why wouldn't you just watch them on your PC, i mean most youtube videos are only a couple minutes, why would you want a dedicated box to watch them on a large screen? :confused:

their are youtube movies as well. Personally stagevu and megavideo,justintv,ninjavideo etc potentially offer alot more.

[brucered]

Trust me I'm not the only one who would rather sit on a comfy couch in your living room then on an office chair in front of PC with a small screen to boot. There are tons of youtube videos like seminars, instructional videos, etc that over an hour long! eg. Google Techtalks which are HD and usually 1hour plus.

Youtube isn't just about little 30 sec clips anymore like it used to be....


their are youtube movies as well. Personally stagevu and megavideo,justintv,ninjavideo etc potentially offer alot more.

good to know, i'll have to check a few of those out. :o

[Nightwing]

o!play now has the delete/rename option on 1.18 firmware. Hilite file left arrow you'll see the options.

Do you have an active link? I just visited the site and the latest release on-line is 1.17N.

I wonder if they discovered a bug in 1.18 and pulled it.....

[lead]

Do you have an active link? I just visited the site and the latest release on-line is 1.17N.

I wonder if they discovered a bug in 1.18 and pulled it.....

ftp site
ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/asus/Digital_Media_Player/HDP-R1/Firmware/

[Nightwing]

ftp site
ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/asus/Digital_Media_Player/HDP-R1/Firmware/

Thank you!

[brucered]

their are youtube movies as well. Personally stagevu and megavideo,justintv,ninjavideo etc potentially offer alot more.

too bad i can't even log in to my account to set up favorites etc :evil:

it's very hard to navigate with that little remote especially since they have the keyboard set up alphabetically (not sure i you can change it to QWERTY) and i tried plugging in a usb keyboard to it, but it doesn't recognize it, it will on the Wii, but not the WDTV

[pompoco]

UI aside, it's glad to know video quality is similar in both units. Can you share how the O!play deal with these via HDMI:

- DD
- DD TrueHD
- DTS
- DTS-HD Master

I am almost ready to return the WDTV Live and purchase an Asus Air. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

The Asus O!Play Air (HDP-R3) decodes DD and DTS (2.0?) and sends them as LPCM per HDMI and SPDIF.
There is the option to decode as HDMI LPCM Multichannel as well (pseudosurround?), never tried but it's an option...
You can also send the audio per HDMI and SPDIF as RAW.

I don't have any files to test the decoding of TrueHD and HD-Master but it sends the RAW Data and your Receiver/AMP can decode these foramats if needed....
But since DTS-HD-Master can have up to 24.5 MBps the bandwith gets pretty narrow for a wireless transmission, even with N (maybe OK if you can get Full Duplex [300 MBps] in a working configuration.

Hope that helps

BTW I updated to the new 1.06N FW yesterday and the interface is much more responsive...

[lead]

The Asus O!Play Air (HDP-R3) decodes DD and DTS (2.0?) and sends them as LPCM per HDMI and SPDIF.
There is the option to decode as HDMI LPCM Multichannel as well (pseudosurround?), never tried but it's an option...
You can also send the audio per HDMI and SPDIF as RAW.

I don't have any files to test the decoding of TrueHD and HD-Master but it sends the RAW Data and your Receiver/AMP can decode these foramats if needed....
But since DTS-HD-Master can have up to 24.5 MBps the bandwith gets pretty narrow for a wireless transmission, even with N (maybe OK if you can get Full Duplex [300 MBps] in a working configuration.

Hope that helps

BTW I updated to the new 1.06N FW yesterday and the interface is much more responsive...

if you open an original oplay don't be surprised to see it has the same reference board as the air it well probably say hdp-r3 on the pcb board as pointed out in other forums. In europe their are models of the original that have the card slot as well even before the original debuted in north america.

[bowmah]

The Asus O!Play Air (HDP-R3) decodes DD and DTS (2.0?) and sends them as LPCM per HDMI and SPDIF.
There is the option to decode as HDMI LPCM Multichannel as well (pseudosurround?), never tried but it's an option...
You can also send the audio per HDMI and SPDIF as RAW.

I don't have any files to test the decoding of TrueHD and HD-Master but it sends the RAW Data and your Receiver/AMP can decode these foramats if needed....
But since DTS-HD-Master can have up to 24.5 MBps the bandwith gets pretty narrow for a wireless transmission, even with N (maybe OK if you can get Full Duplex [300 MBps] in a working configuration.

Hope that helps

BTW I updated to the new 1.06N FW yesterday and the interface is much more responsive...

ok thanks for all that info. I am not aware of any of these entry level media streamers that can pass HD sound so I am betting that they will downmix and send out DD or DTS. So I have 2 more weeks to decide.

1. Return WDTV Live and purchase Asus Air
2. Return WDTV Live and wait for Boxee Box
3. Return WDTV Live and use notebook to stream and live with Stereo sound until I purchase another media streamer or a notebook with HDMI out!

Decision, decisions. I guess I can always:

4. Keep WDTV Live or Purchase Asus Air and then still wait for Boxee Box? :)

Yes, I have noticed many users telling me 1080p is a no go over Wifi. I must be lucky and have setup the router properly. I am streaming 1080p content perfectly at the moment. There might be some stuttering a few times in a movie but nothing I can't live with. In fact, most of the time, the movies plays from beginning to end without a hitch and this is all over Wireless G. Hence, this is why I am leaning towards the Asus Air for now as it has wireless on it. The only other possibility is that the 1080p files that I have encoded are not really 1080p at all!

Gotta make a decision soon. 30-day return date is coming up.

[brucered]

ok thanks for all that info. I am not aware of any of these entry level media streamers that can pass HD sound so I am betting that they will downmix and send out DD or DTS. So I have 2 more weeks to decide.

1. Return WDTV Live and purchase Asus Air
2. Return WDTV Live and wait for Boxee Box
3. Return WDTV Live and use notebook to stream and live with Stereo sound until I purchase another media streamer or a notebook with HDMI out!

Decision, decisions. I guess I can always:

4. Keep WDTV Live or Purchase Asus Air and then still wait for Boxee Box? :)

Yes, I have noticed many users telling me 1080p is a no go over Wifi. I must be lucky and have setup the router properly. I am streaming 1080p content perfectly at the moment. There might be some stuttering a few times in a movie but nothing I can't live with. In fact, most of the time, the movies plays from beginning to end without a hitch and this is all over Wireless G. Hence, this is why I am leaning towards the Asus Air for now as it has wireless on it. The only other possibility is that the 1080p files that I have encoded are not really 1080p at all!

Gotta make a decision soon. 30-day return date is coming up.

5. Keep the WDTV use it for the time being, wait to see if a better unit comes out to your liking (wait a bit after it comes out to see feedback from others) and if you purchase it, move the WDTV to another room in the house, then you have 2.

this is what i might end up doing if the Boxxee is priced right and has DVD menu options etc, but we'll see. i'm still happy with the WDTV LIVE, but if we get another bigscreen, it's likely what i'll do in the future.

[bowmah]

5. Keep the WDTV use it for the time being, wait to see if a better unit comes out to your liking (wait a bit after it comes out to see feedback from others) and if you purchase it, move the WDTV to another room in the house, then you have 2.

this is what i might end up doing if the Boxxee is priced right and has DVD menu options etc, but we'll see. i'm still happy with the WDTV LIVE, but if we get another bigscreen, it's likely what i'll do in the future.

The problem with this is, the WDTV Live has no wireless. Asus Air would be the better choice to stream "normal" non-HD kids videos anywhere in the house. Will wait for a sale and return the WDTV Live.

[iLLNESS]

I've heard you can stream 1080p over wireless N - true?

edit: never mind - it looks from AVSforum that N is still not wholly reliable for HD streaming; looks like some people have success with 720p but that the consensus is that 1080p esp. requires a wired connection to be lag-free:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/gtsearch.php?cx=partner-pub-7727267082087455%3Antr50g-icin&cof=FORID%3A10&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=wireless+n+1080p&sa=Search#1264

wireless n is more then capable. its the fact that its usb wireless. usb is slow as **** compared to a hardwire on these nmt units.

[Absolute]

For all those with the YouTube rebooting problem, there is an easy - if not ideal - solution. Just try creating another account, NOT linked to Google.

Apparently any account created before May 2009 or linked to a Google account causes the reboot problem, which WD blames on a change to the Google API code. Neither of them accept the blame for the problem - or are working on a solution - so the temporary fix is to just create a pure YouTube account, and link that one to WDTV.

I ended up doing that, and haven't had any problems since - it's just annoying that I ended up starting all my playlists/favourites from scratch.

[Jeff146]

For all those with the YouTube rebooting problem, there is an easy - if not ideal - solution. Just try creating another account, NOT linked to Google.

Apparently any account created before May 2009 or linked to a Google account causes the reboot problem, which WD blames on a change to the Google API code. Neither of them accept the blame for the problem - or are working on a solution - so the temporary fix is to just create a pure YouTube account, and link that one to WDTV.

I ended up doing that, and haven't had any problems since - it's just annoying that I ended up starting all my playlists/favourites from scratch.

Hmm I'm going to try it. Hope it works.

[brucered]

Hmm I'm going to try it. Hope it works.

i just created a new youtube acct, put on a few favorites and tried it out.

it says NO CONTENT AVAILABLE, but then i click on FAVORITES and my 2 Favorites are in there.

any idea how to SEARCH now? it doesn't give me the option.

[Vinman]

So exactly what does the 1.18 ASUS O!Play firmware enable?

Full 2-way networking? File management of the attached USB hard drives? Something else?

BTW, I cannot believe how many people are confusing "media streaming' with "networking". To make it easier, think of networking with real people, it involves 2 or more individuals sharing information, contacts, data, etc. Not one person "streaming' information one-way off someone gagged and tied up in a chair.

In order for the O!Play to fully support networking, in addition to basic 1-way streaming, the device needs to (without hacks) have the ability (whether you choose to implement it or not) to show up as a network device and allow users on network PCs/laptops to have file access any shared USB drives or other resources on said network device. 2-way communication.

[Vinman]

dir 655 host router

bridges
comstar n from FS, upnp will max the line through a floor

Could you provide a link to the model that functions as a wireless bridge - not an AP, as I'd need it to link wirelessly and provide network bridge links without a physical LAN connection.

[Nightwing]

In order for the O!Play to fully support networking, in addition to basic 1-way streaming, the device needs to (without hacks) have the ability (whether you choose to implement it or not) to show up as a network device and allow users on network PCs/laptops to have file access any shared USB drives or other resources on said network device. 2-way communication.

The O!play shows up on my network, and I don't mean windoze! Anything with an IP is considered to be networked! I have it listed in DCHP logs on my IPCOP server. I can telnet to the O!Play and run vi. I don't have a local USB drive attached, but I don't see why I wouldn't be able see a mounted drive under /mnt. What you're looking for is a list services and TCP/UDP protocols supported by the device.

[Vinman]

What you're looking for is a list services and TCP/UDP protocols supported by the device.

Well duh! And why do nerds keep telling me I can Telnet - of course I can, and I can run hack scripts to emulate real-world features, but I far prefer to stick to the out-of-the-box features, since I'm not single and don't live in my parents basement - I'm sure my 5-year old, who can run both the WDTV Live! and O!Play (and links to shares for Winx and Little Rascals videos) might be a tad young to teach Telnet hacks to.

And as for assuming you'd have full file access to the attached USB devices, that was not even allowed through the O!Play itself, though people have stated that the 1.18 firmware from a day or two ago does allow files changes/deletes using the device.

[Nightwing]

Well duh! And why do nerds keep telling me I can Telnet - of course I can, and I can run hack scripts to emulate real-world features, but I far prefer to stick to the out-of-the-box features, since I'm not single and don't live in my parents basement

You may have better success getting your point across if you constructed logically sound messages. Some of us on RFD have considerable real world hands on networking experience.

[Vinman]

You may have better success getting your point across if you constructed logically sound messages. Some of us on RFD have considerable real world hands on networking experience.

If this is actually true, then why when I continually state that the O!Play does not fully support networking features like NAS, remote host, disk/resource sharing, etc. out of the box, am I continually lied to with BS like "you can Telnet" or "just run some scripts"?

What if a network admin walked into a large corporation and told all his employees that in order to access the company's network, they'd have to "Telnet on" and "run some manual scripts"? I am assuming since you recommend it to us, that would be a perfect solution to your work environment, right?

Say hello to the unemployment line Mr "Considerable Real World Networking Experience" Guy. :lol:

[lead]

Could you provide a link to the model that functions as a wireless bridge - not an AP, as I'd need it to link wirelessly and provide network bridge links without a physical LAN connection.

ok rthe futureshop one was this.
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10117842&catid=19994 I got it 29.99 because of a nice poster from this forum. It goes on sale for that price periodically.
It has all the features for bridging from repeater to just client. I don't recommend this as a router becuase this sucker is clearly clocked high,including the tx/rx to boot because boy does it have range. The consequence is it runs way to hot. As a bridge though its been find because its not taxing at all in this mode. As a router it'll cook soon enough. I widen some of the air holes and added some on the bottom to ease my mind. this one maxes the ports when streaming.

The other was clearly an engenius clone. Got it for 30 or 34 from newegg free shipping. Nice solid little router or bridge not as powerful as the comstar but thru 2 floors it has peaked at 5 megs a sec.ftping at times. Newegg and rosewill seems to have switch reference suppliers so its become unavailable. But it looks like this.
http://www.rosewill.com/Mgnt/Uploads/ImagesForProduct/7276ef432a455fd5fabc693e8d3838d0.jpg

about the size of a cigarette pack its tiny. Its bad that they don't carry it anymore but you can find engenius's version on sale at the usualy haunts only its white.You'll notice right off the hop it looks identical and uses the a 2 img firmware. As its been reported to support repearter as well.
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=43057&vpn=ESR-9752&manufacture=EnGenius




If you see any 2t2r or 2 antenae wireless n routers on sale do a search with their model number + wireless bridge its how I found which models natively support bridge or repeater mode.

Hope this helps.
As for the new oplay firmware its pretty good. you can delete files and add shortcuts(haven't tried that yet myself) to major things lacking before.

[Johnny Powel]

Costco has WDTV Live on order for the same price.I was told 2-3weeks.I'd rather buy from costco

[Nightwing]

If this is actually true, then why when I continually state that the O!Play does not fully support networking features like NAS, remote host, disk/resource sharing, etc. out of the box, am I continually lied to with BS like "you can Telnet" or "just run some scripts"?

Because you have trouble understanding networking concepts. What you are looking for is NetBIOS support so that you can map a windows machine to a NetBIOS share. NetBIOS is a Protocol. Not everything in this world is windows based. A device can still be called a NAS if it only supported FTP.

[jtking]

When you guys say the O!Play has no networking, do you mean it cannot find a Windows shared folder or something else? To be able to read files from network sharing folders is enough networking for me.

[Nightwing]

When you guys say the O!Play has no networking, do you mean it cannot find a Windows shared folder or something else? To be able to read files from network sharing folders is enough networking for me.

I believe what some are trying to do is access the USB/eSATA drive attached to the O!Play over the network by computer with the intention of playing media files real time. In other words they want a media server with a HTTP/NetBIOS interface.

[szw]

Costco has WDTV Live on order for the same price.I was told 2-3weeks.I'd rather buy from costco

For $129.99?

Either way sounds good, I will wait to pick it up at costco.

[lead]

Hmm - since you mention loading videos from shares over the network, do you have an external drive plugged into the WDTV? I did discover a speed increase when I disabled my WDTV's media library and "share local drives", as I don't have any external storage plugged directly into the unit. From reviews, there are some options that it's good to disable, if you're using the box by itself, without an external USB drive.

Edit: One thing I have noticed is that it does seem to scan initially, and then cache the drive contents. I often need to back out of the file view, back to the network computer selection scroll, to have it refresh the listing with files that were added while I was inside a share.

you see whats pointed out here and can been found at other forums is these boxes weren't really designed to be used as a nas substitute,without taking away available resources of the box. I'd say invest in a nas especially if your using multiple boxes on your network.

[actionj]

Just read wdtv website and noticed this:

ArcSoft Update (6/11/2009)
•RMVB file conversion added

Does WDTV live have a file convertor built-in? For example, running a RMVB file and WDTV will automatically convert it to AVI format so it can play.

Thanks for any clarification. Still leaning towards O!Play Air because it can play RMVB files. :)

[Nightwing]

And as for assuming you'd have full file access to the attached USB devices, that was not even allowed through the O!Play itself, though people have stated that the 1.18 firmware from a day or two ago does allow files changes/deletes using the device.

It's not an assumption, it's a deduction based on experience and knowledge, which is now proven as fact. They call the account 'root' for a reason.

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/710/telnetx.jpg (http://img51.imageshack.us/i/telnetx.jpg/)

[lead]

Just read wdtv website and noticed this:

ArcSoft Update (6/11/2009)
•RMVB file conversion added

Does WDTV live have a file convertor built-in? For example, running a RMVB file and WDTV will automatically convert it to AVI format so it can play.

Thanks for any clarification. Still leaning towards O!Play Air because it can play RMVB files. :)

No,thats part of their bundle software for you to convert files it can't support.Cheaper than a license to play natively.

[Absolute]

you see whats pointed out here and can been found at other forums is these boxes weren't really designed to be used as a nas substitute,without taking away available resources of the box. I'd say invest in a nas especially if your using multiple boxes on your network.

I agree with that - keep in mind this isn't anything like an i7 system, with 8 gigs of RAM - this is designed to be a media player on a single TV, not multi-task (which is why I won't use all the services B-Rad's firmware adds).

Instead I have a DNS-323 with added firmware, that serves all my files to the WDTV, and also acts as my iTunes/torrent server - when it comes to output, I'd rather let my WDTV throw all of it's power into giving me high quality 720/1080p video!

[Vinman]

Not everything in this world is windows based.

Wow, what large corporation do you do networking for, that has zero Windows PCs? :lol:

[Vinman]

When you guys say the O!Play has no networking, do you mean it cannot find a Windows shared folder or something else?

Out-of-the-box networking is a 2-way process of sharing information between two devices, and while it is true you can use Telnet and script hacks to *emulate* this on the O!Play, it will NOT function as a full networking device using standard network protocols, no matter the operating system.

Media streaming is one-way networking, and you also need to be able to seamlessly link to the media device from any networked PCs/laptops using industry-standard protocols.

[Vinman]

It's not an assumption, it's a deduction based on experience and knowledge, which is now proven as fact.

LOL, so you really think that Telnet access is a viable option for the majority of home users wanting to network the O!Play on their Windows (or Mac) PCs?

If so, you really need to move out of the basement.

I really do hope that ASUS does finally add industry-standard network support through a firmware update, but as it stands right now, the WDTV Live! does this right out of the box, so there's not even a contest here. I own both, but had I realized the significant limitations of the O!Play, I would never have even contemplated buying it. I really had no idea ASUS would release a networkable media player without industry-standard network support. It just makes no sense.

[Vinman]

It looks like ASUS actually covered off one of the major flaws with their latest firmware:

Add in file and folder management function.

With its built-in copy feature, and hopefully the ability to create/delete files/directories, this will at least ensure network users won't have to remove the HD each time they want to delete a file or create a new directory.

You still won't be able to sit on your Windows PC, dragging and dropping MKV files to the USB HD (like I currently am with the WDTV Live!) but at least it's significant movement forward.

[Nightwing]

LOL, so you really think that Telnet access is a viable option for the majority of home users wanting to network the O!Play on their Windows (or Mac) PCs?


My message was in repose to your dis-beliefs on the ability mange the file system on a USB attached device by telnetting into the unit. You really need to focus more.

[lead]

Ok enough ranting you two more constructive input helps everyone. First off Vinman he's pointing out your error that the device can't support networking file management.


From what I've read online, ASUS will never add file management to the O!Play (the device was never built for that) and it's doubtful that full networking could be enabled through firmware.

FAR more likely is an ASUS O!Play Air 2 coming out soon, with all these features and more - that's the way ASUS works, rather than add functionality to existing hardware, they just issue a new hardware revision.

It had limited networking management from the get go thru the gui but only copy and move was visible. Both wdtv and the oplay heck both sigma units and relatek units use a linux kernel ad are busybox source code based. Its not "hacking when entering thru telenet. Those are the commands used to run basic busybox functions. it was developed by erik anderson and he's suing wdtv right now because wdtv is profiting off his work. He copywrited it and its the basis of dd-wrt and a variety of linux based software out there. If you use it and build from the source code you need to give the source code with your product. Wdtv didn't and their being sued. Asus has been releasing the code(parts not all eventually they have too)

But your confusing physical/coded atributes with whats visible thru the gui.Because you can't see it on the tv doesn't mean its physically encapable of doing it or that teleneting is hacking or emulating. It most certainlly is not! Its another way of doing it with out the graphical interface, thats all and probably where the confusion is coming from

The only difference between wdtv live and oplay is that at boot wdtv added code to mounted the shares and implemented a graphical interface so you can see it or turn it off in the gui. Depending of course on the linux kernel used, the commands to mount the share would be virtually identical on the live as done on the oplay or any asus/linksys dd-wrt router, etc,etc. Yes their all busybox code.

Their both easily physically capable of it. Wdtv has enable it thru gui thats the real difference. B-rads firmwares were not hacks but mods of adding busybox functions determing how the code wrote the gui and hopefully changing it as well. i forsee a webased gui first then a dd-wrt style of firmware that will work for all in the future. But the future holds hardware based encryption to protect firmware flashing with 3rd party. This has already been seen by the gurus on tomorrows chipsets. Which will suck for all.

[bowmah]

LOL, so you really think that Telnet access is a viable option for the majority of home users wanting to network the O!Play on their Windows (or Mac) PCs?

If so, you really need to move out of the basement.

I really do hope that ASUS does finally add industry-standard network support through a firmware update, but as it stands right now, the WDTV Live! does this right out of the box, so there's not even a contest here. I own both, but had I realized the significant limitations of the O!Play, I would never have even contemplated buying it. I really had no idea ASUS would release a networkable media player without industry-standard network support. It just makes no sense.

I am on the fence about returning the WDTV Live and getting the Asus Air. As someone who has both, can you share some feedback as to what you do and don't like about each? I am interested to know if the Asus has more pas through capability than the WDTV Live when it comes to audio over HDMI.

[shadow_cruiser]

Does anyone know if the Asus O'Play Air decodes AAC 5.1?. The WDTV Live doesn't and I have tons of files in AAC 5.1

Also, the toslink out of sync bug is a huge thing for me. It has been going on for months now, I don't know why WD can't issue a little fix rather than waiting months and months for a big update.

http://wdtvforum.com/main/index.php?topic=2814.0

[bowmah]

Does anyone know if the Asus O'Play Air decodes AAC 5.1?. The WDTV Live doesn't and I have tons of files in AAC 5.1

Also, the toslink out of sync bug is a huge thing for me. It has been going on for months now, I don't know why WD can't issue a little fix rather than waiting months and months for a big update.

http://wdtvforum.com/main/index.php?topic=2814.0

What would the unit not output any sound from those files when you choose Digital in the HDMI out setup area? I do get some movies to play in DD but a few do not. This is a little worrisome. Is AAC 5.1 = DD 5.1?

[shadow_cruiser]

What would the unit not output any sound from those files when you choose Digital in the HDMI out setup area? I do get some movies to play in DD but a few do not. This is a little worrisome. Is AAC 5.1 = DD 5.1?

All DD 5.1 encoded files output sound. AAC is a codec in which a lot of P2P encoders used for BDRips and such. AAC 5.1 and DD 5.1 are two different codecs

[pompoco]

I am on the fence about returning the WDTV Live and getting the Asus Air. As someone who has both, can you share some feedback as to what you do and don't like about each? I am interested to know if the Asus has more pas through capability than the WDTV Live when it comes to audio over HDMI.

Not Vinman but I had both as well...

I had both and Vinman is b**ching that the O!Play doesn't offer NAS (Network Attached Storage) right out of the Box, which is far from being a "standard" for a streaming video client device...
The NAS functionality on the WDTV is mostly cosmetic anyways, since it's very slow... therefore see it as "bonus" for your convenience to copy files towards the WDTV from your PC instead from the TV with that remote...
Which still IMHO negates the function of a streaming client.

The other network function (file management) from/to attached HDDs or USB-Sticks through the WDTV/O!Play over the network is in the GUI.

The Youtube function is IMO a PITA Joke, unless you make yourself a working account and prepare playlists and videos online over the pc, since the navigation and search with the remote is just very tedious.

If your network doesn't follow the standard "default" convention from M$ you have to either telnet and manually set your environment, or use a custom FW and then telnet and manualy configure your network, or reset your network to "default" M$ settings. Otherwise the network reliability of the WDTV
(even with own user profile) is very unreliable.

The O!Play OTOH has a pretty sluggish interface, which makes you sometimes think it froze, but it just didn't recognized the command from the remote. Just testing a newer FW (1.06N) which made the responsetime much faster than before, but there are rumors that the wireless connection was having some probs but I couldn't see any difference so far.

Both devices are very capable of delivering great audio video from your HDD (network share, UPNP Server, attached storage) to your TV/HT.


As to the other poster, the O!Play decodes AAC and therefore is able to serve the AAC per HDMI or SPDIF in LPCM and Raw form.

[bowmah]

As to the other poster, the O!Play decodes AAC and therefore is able to serve the AAC per HDMI or SPDIF in LPCM and Raw form.

Thanks for the great details regarding both units. As for the audio, does that mean the Asus Air is compatible with more audio formats? The WDTV Live seems to be pretty solid in what it can do. Yes, there are bugs and they are well documented, just not fixed. I am still sitting on the fence and most of all, have read that Sigma chipsets (WDTV Live) yield better video when compared to Realtek (Asus Air). That was the main reason I purchased the WDTV Live to begin with. I may just end up keeping the WDTV Live for now and live with it and see what happens.

[pompoco]

Thanks for the great details regarding both units. As for the audio, does that mean the Asus Air is compatible with more audio formats? The WDTV Live seems to be pretty solid in what it can do. Yes, there are bugs and they are well documented, just not fixed. I am still sitting on the fence and most of all, have read that Sigma chipsets (WDTV Live) yield better video when compared to Realtek (Asus Air). That was the main reason I purchased the WDTV Live to begin with. I may just end up keeping the WDTV Live for now and live with it and see what happens.

Yes, more audio and video formats...
Plus the realtek chipset (Asus,Patriot) allows for future improvement on codecs since the chipset is not "capped" by the license fee paid as is the Sigma chip (WD). That's why they (WD) give you software to convert your RMVB's to a suppported format, since it seemed cheaper than to pay the license fee for using the chipset to decode the RMVB files (as the O!Play does)...

Another possibility is to return your WDTV and wait for the D-Link Boxee, but nobody knows yet when it'll be released and for how much.

[bowmah]

Yes, more audio and video formats...
Plus the realtek chipset (Asus,Patriot) allows for future improvement on codecs since the chipset is not "capped" by the license fee paid as is the Sigma chip (WD). That's why they (WD) give you software to convert your RMVB's to a suppported format, since it seemed cheaper than to pay the license fee for using the chipset to decode the RMVB files (as the O!Play does)...

Another possibility is to return your WDTV and wait for the D-Link Boxee, but nobody knows yet when it'll be released and for how much.

I am not betting on any new audio format supports as there are only a few big ones left and they are the HD sound formats. Not sure if any of these entry level boxes will pay the fees to get this done. Thanks for the tip. Still deciding and not wanting to miss out on the convenience of a media streamer until the boxee comes out. btw, what software are you referring to from WD?

[wstam]

I am currently using the O!Play (not the Air) and very happy on this.

The biggest pro for this player is that I don't have to COPY the file. I just install a big 1.5T harddrive on my PC (Win 2k3 server running 24/7). Right after the download complete in the PC, the O!Play can play the file over the network immediate.

I don't see the point why attaching the USB harddrive to the player as NAS. Why don't just attach the USB harddrive to the PC and let the O!Player read the drive over the network?

[Menace]

ArcSoft. The latest patch has RMVB converter added.


what software are you referring to from WD?

[bowmah]

ArcSoft. The latest patch has RMVB converter added.

Can't find any reference to software download from WD. Is this done in the unit, on the fly without user action? If so, then it's a non-issue?

[Nightwing]

I don't see the point why attaching the USB harddrive to the player as NAS. Why don't just attach the USB harddrive to the PC and let the O!Player read the drive over the network?

Depends on your needs. In the case of my parents, they don't own a computer. They work well with the attached drive. In my house I'm using a old P4 with Linux and Samba for my storage needs.

[Menace]

I think it came with WDTV CD. Too bad I threw out my copy of CD.

Here is the link to the patch

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/wdtv


Can't find any reference to software download from WD. Is this done in the unit, on the fly without user action? If so, then it's a non-issue?

[shiny]

PMed at Bestbuy and got this for 115$. The girl made a mistake. She PMed the price (+ shipping) of the non-live one at newegg.ca. I think I was lucky:)

[pompoco]

Can't find any reference to software download from WD. Is this done in the unit, on the fly without user action? If so, then it's a non-issue?

It's on the CD which came with your WDTV.
It's version 2.5 and an update ads some functionality and bugfixes, WD bundled this so that you are able to "watch" RMVBs...
The current version of the Arcsoft Media Converter is 4.
As the name states it'a a converter, you take your files which are incompatible for playback on the WDTV and convert them to a compatible format (usually with a loss of quality)... means you got the files double unless you delete the original. It can also "rip" DVDs and manage some YouTube stuff.
It's not in realtime and not on the WDTV but on your (windows) computer.

EDIT: Darn it, IIRC the WDTV got the CD and Software but the WDTV Live we are talking doesn't have it. Sorry they skimped on that... well but there are always other ways to get that software.

[Vinman]

I don't see the point why attaching the USB harddrive to the player as NAS. Why don't just attach the USB harddrive to the PC and let the O!Player read the drive over the network?

Maybe because:

1) They don't own a PC.
2) They don't have a viable home network.
3) They may have 1) and 2) but don't want to leave their PC running 24/7 and run the electricity bill through the roof.
4) They may want to *both* media stream and use localized storage.

My question to you is, assuming you have the cash and resources to buy a huge USB hard drive, or already own one, why *wouldn't* you make use of it?

[pompoco]

Maybe because:

1) They don't own a PC.
2) They don't have a viable home network.
3) They may have 1) and 2) but don't want to leave their PC running 24/7 and run the electricity bill through the roof.
4) They may want to *both* media stream and use localized storage.

My question to you is, assuming you have the cash and resources to buy a huge USB hard drive, or already own one, why *wouldn't* you make use of it?

If not #1 and #2 than the NAS functionality makes no sense...
#3 sounds plausible, but lets face a standard pc in idle fileaccess usually uses less electricity than an incandescent lightbulb and that's not really running the bill through the roof ;)
OTOH you have to leave the WDTV running 24/7 for the HDD acess (SLOW) over the network and that thing burns a lot of electricity just in standby alone...
EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I liked the NAS function as a novelty when I had my WDTV. But it's just suited for the occasional filetransfer since it's so darn slow (3-5MB/s) and not rally suited as a NAS. My router (Belkin N+) for example has an USB port for storage/NAS as well and there it makes sense since the router is usually on 24/7 anyways. The tranferrates are around 40-50MB/s and I got 4 GBit ports and fullduplex N (300MBps) all right out of the box ;). I paid $90 for that router while other people are not willing to lay that cash out on a router....

#4 is personal preference and not really a reason to declare the NAS functionality a "network standard" for this kind of devices...

Luckily there are different products for different preferences. I personally would never spend more than $150 on a toy like these and can't understand why someone is willing to shell out more than double for a media streamer, but other people have other preferences and that device might just fit yoiur personal usage profile.

[Vinman]

EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I liked the NAS function as a novelty when I had my WDTV. But it's just suited for the occasional filetransfer since it's so darn slow (3-5MB/s) and not rally suited as a NAS.

Come on, you don't think people are actually using the WDTV Live! as a mission-critical NAS, do you? :lol::lol::lol:

We like it because of its "NAS-like" features, which allow people to utilize the NAS-like functionality, while still understanding it's not a enterprise-level NAS. When I'm working on the PC, and want to transfer some huge MKV files (that tend to choke while streaming), I just turn on the WDTV Live! and do some dragging and dropping. Done. Easy, peasy, Japanesy. Back to work.

I'm not sure what the antipathy is towards these additional networking features, assuming you're the owner of a large house with multiple media players, and pay the electrical bills. I'm also not sure where you get your power usage specs from, but my Core i7 Extreme system + 27" Dell UltraSharp uses considerably more power than a light bulb - plus, we're all low-power fluorescent here.

BTW, I am not sure where you're getting those 3-5MB/s transfers, but from a networked PC to the WDTV Live!, it's a LOT faster than that - I probably average 15-20 MB/sec on a N bridge, and would be higher if my office wasn't 2 floors away.

[Vinman]

I should also give kudos to ASUS, as it looks like they've finally added (along with file management) a feature a lot of us have been asking for from both WD and ASUS:

A Sleep Timer

Awesome news, as I sometimes watch TV in my bedroom, and can set the TV, Rogers cable and Philips DVD player to sleep timer just in case I pass out - now I can do the same to the O!Play.

[lead]

BTW, I am not sure where you're getting those 3-5MB/s transfers, but from a networked PC to the WDTV Live!, it's a LOT faster than that - I probably average 15-20 MB/sec on a N bridge, and would be higher if my office wasn't 2 floors away.

your numbers are wrong, 3-5 MB/s write speeds is about spot on for the live and thats not too shabby at all. Roughly about equal to the ngear usb nas adapter you can buy for 50 bucks. Hopefully your thinking megabits vs megabytes but your numbers are beyond the theoretical limit of any earthly plain 100baseTX port. Since you mentioned a n bridge your bound to 100baseTX or 12 MB/s on fast ethernet of the wdtvlive.

Remember it was designed to read not write. It uses much more power to write to shares than read from them and will result in the a drastic drop in network speed.

[Vinman]

your numbers are wrong,

Nope, I was giving the max speed that other Gigabit devices can read from the D-Link N Bridge, but I forgot that the WDTV Live! only has a basic 10/100 LAN port. Still, by the doing the math (sending a 700MB file, for example), it is still faster than the 3-5 MB/s you posted, and are you *certain* that you're sending from a network PC and not copying from a share using the WDTV Live!?

I have noticed that when the WDTV Live!'s UI is used for copying, it is dead slow, like 1-2 MB/s, but when I just drag-n-drop from Windows onto the WDTV, it transfers noticeably faster. I'll do some real-world tests tonight and see how fast it really goes, not the bridge's max speed.

[lead]

My router (Belkin N+) for example has an USB port for storage/NAS as well and there it makes sense since the router is usually on 24/7 anyways. The tranferrates are around 40-50MB/s and I got 4 GBit ports and fullduplex N (300MBps) all right out of the box ;). I paid $90 for that router while other people are not willing to lay that cash out on a router....

Tell me more on your experience with that router and its usb ports. Its got 2 right? usb 2.0? and doesn't require any software, it'll map as a share right off the hop correct.?Across platforms correct? How's its stability. I have a dlink 655 running 1.21 firmware and its been a rock.But the usb port requires share port on all equipment to connect to it. Thats a pain and useless to a degree for me.
I see the belkin n+ is 79 us at newegg.com 139 at.ca. I just started looking at the asus rt with 2 2.0usb ports that supports dd-wrt.Its around a 100. If it supported bridge mode and enable the ports as well could be interesting too especially coupled with a dual storage bay which can be had for as low as 35 bucks.Cheap alternative to a dns 323 if your starting from scratch and need a router.

If those speeds are accurate it could make a nice sticky for those who buy one of these boxes and need to upgrade to an n router.

Note Update: smallnetbuilders review of your router
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-reviews/30634-belkin-n-wireless-router-reviewed?showall=&start=2

Your numbers are wrong somewhere or smallnetbuilders are they reported speeds of 2 MB/s. How are you hitting 40-50MB/s on your usb storage thats connected to that router??? I thought it was too good to be true!Of course I must have deluded myself when reading your numbers since usb 2.0 only averages around 22-27MB/s in real world benchmarks depending on your enclosure it could go alittle higher or lower and thats connected directly to a computer.

[Menace]

Have you looked at powerline solution? I'm seriously thinking about Linksys one for $99 from CC.


T
I see the belkin n+ is 79 us at newegg.com 139 at.ca. I just started looking at the asus rt with 2 2.0usb ports that supports dd-wrt.Its around a 100. If it supported bridge mode and enable the ports as well could be interesting too especially coupled with a dual storage bay which can be had for as low as 35 bucks.Cheap alternative to a dns 323 if your starting from scratch and need a router.

[Blue05R1]

Have you looked at powerline solution? I'm seriously thinking about Linksys one for $99 from CC.


I bought a Netgear Moca MCAB1001 COAX-ETHERNET Adapter Kit a week ago and set it up in five minutes. Was going to try a powerline kit but was warned that they do not work very well when an arc fault breaker is used in between the two nodes. I was looking for a solution for my bedroom and have an arc fault breakersuppliying my bedrooms, so powerline was not an option. The Coax-Ethernet Kit is more expensive but it maxed out 10/100 ports on file transfer across the network. I tried streaming a 720p rip of Casino Royal (8.5 GB files size) and it played without any isues. Have to create a 1080p rip to find out if it will work for larger files.

[rvs007]

Have you looked at powerline solution? I'm seriously thinking about Linksys one for $99 from CC.

I've had ok experience with powerline solution. I'm using the Dlink powerline ethernet kit (DHP-303). I get 4-5 MB/s transfer rates when transfering a file from my PC to the HDD attached to the WDTV via a powerline connection. From a review I read, the 4-5MB/s seems to be typical. But to be honest, for a device that advertises "up to 200Mb/s" 4-5MB/s is only 20% efficient at best, which is a bit disappointing.

However, the 4-5MB/s is sufficient to stream most files, including 1080p HD material. I've only experienced some video stuttering/audio dropouts on certain high bitrate MKV files. It is definitely a viable option if you're only streaming 720p or lower material, or can live with some stuttering in 1080p material.

[Menace]

Thanks for the useful info. I'm currently running wireless G with a couple of Linksys WRT54GL, I'm looking for a little improvement ==> Powerline or Wirless N.


but was warned that they do not work very well when an arc fault breaker is used in between the two nodes.

[bowmah]

Thanks for the useful info. I'm currently running wireless G with a couple of Linksys WRT54GL, I'm looking for a little improvement ==> Powerline or Wirless N.

Unfortunately, there is no clear winner for an upgraded router (wireless N and/or gigabit) when you already have the WRT54GL. The WRT310N is the closest but it's still not as stable as the 54GL. I have considered powerline but for now, will stick with a long hard wire and USB drive.

[Menace]

If I get that performance, I may stay with my wireless G. Wireless N seems to be too much hypes ;)


I get 4-5 MB/s transfer rates when transfering a file from my PC to the HDD attached to the WDTV via a powerline connection. From a review I read, the 4-5MB/s seems to be typical. But to be honest, for a device that advertises "up to 200Mb/s" 4-5MB/s is only 20% efficient at best, which is a bit disappointing.
However, the 4-5MB/s is sufficient to stream most files, including 1080p HD material.

[Menace]

Hardwire is the best. If we were going to buy a new house tomorrow, I will wire the sucker up :D:cheesygri


will stick with a long hard wire and USB drive.

[rvs007]

If I get that performance, I may stay with my wireless G. Wireless N seems to be too much hypes ;)

I got worst performance when streaming with wireless N than powerline ethernet. There were some 1080p MKV movies that I was able to stream with a powerline ethernet connection that choked when streaming over wireless N. I was using a Simultaneous dual-band Wireless N router (WRT400N) with a dual-band wireless N USB adapter (WUSB600N).

[lead]

I've had ok experience with powerline solution. I'm using the Dlink powerline ethernet kit (DHP-303). I get 4-5 MB/s transfer rates when transfering a file from my PC to the HDD attached to the WDTV via a powerline connection. From a review I read, the 4-5MB/s seems to be typical. But to be honest, for a device that advertises "up to 200Mb/s" 4-5MB/s is only 20% efficient at best, which is a bit disappointing.

However, the 4-5MB/s is sufficient to stream most files, including 1080p HD material. I've only experienced some video stuttering/audio dropouts on certain high bitrate MKV files. It is definitely a viable option if you're only streaming 720p or lower material, or can live with some stuttering in 1080p material.

I've had good sucess with wireless n bridge coupled with its ability to support multiple devices(4) and as cheap as 30 bucks. Wdtrv forum I believe reported speeds of 7MB/s from pc---usb drive. Wired connection

[bowmah]

Hardwire is the best. If we were going to buy a new house tomorrow, I will wire the sucker up :D:cheesygri

That's the problem. The current place does not have hard wire! PITA! LOL

[Wrocky]

Hardwire is the best. If we were going to buy a new house tomorrow, I will wire the sucker up :D:cheesygri

Agreed. No dongles, no configuration files, no passcodes, etc. If you don't think you can wire your house up, talk with some people who have had it done, as it is usually do-able, but there could be some wall patching involved.

I wired up my previous house to have an ethernet and phone line in each room, and I'm in process of wiring up my new one now. Cat 6 this time, and speaker wire instead of phone lines.

[belowzeros]

finally got to play with mine a little tonight (been waiting for my tv to arrive)

so my only real pet peeves are these,

-network shares crashed on me once. not sure if it was my fault or the device just choked but had to empty the capacitors to fix. but aside from that hiccup everything Network works fine for me out of the box on all computers and all NAS.

-not being able to use dvd menus in ISOs is kinda rough

-related to the last point, max 5 sec FF hurts with no chapter advance

-not being able to watch an avi from inside a rar...being lazy has caught up to me in a bad way. really hate this one.

-not being able to sort directories by file date so I can easily find the newest stuff first


time to seriously catch up on the thread ;)

[X360]

-related to the last point, max 5 sec FF hurts with no chapter advance
For WDTV, there is a trick way for you to forward 10 min

Pressing FF, then each press Next will forward 10 min

[bowmah]

For WDTV, there is a trick way for you to forward 10 min

Pressing FF, then each press Next will forward 10 min

I noticed that if FF16x then NEXT, it will skip much more of the movie than if you FF2x and NEXT. Hope that helps.

[belowzeros]

thanks for the tips :)

[brucered]

doesn't anyone know (i've looked elsewhere as well) as to why my/the WDTV LIVE doesn't skip chapters in .mkv format?

i'm watching a movie (feature film) in .mkv right now, and when i hit NEXT or BACK it jumps to the end or start of the movie, not to the next chapter in the film.

i've tried hitting the OPTION button on the remote, then going to the right most icon (the chapter one), but i can't access it, it's like it doesn't recognize it.

[JustinZ]

doesn't anyone know (i've looked elsewhere as well) as to why my/the WDTV LIVE doesn't skip chapters in .mkv format?

i'm watching a movie (feature film) in .mkv right now, and when i hit NEXT or BACK it jumps to the end or start of the movie, not to the next chapter in the film.

i've tried hitting the OPTION button on the remote, then going to the right most icon (the chapter one), but i can't access it, it's like it doesn't recognize it.

I dont know about chapters

but if youre fast forwarding THEN hit the next track button and it will skip ahead 10 mins or something

[adrianf74]

doesn't anyone know (i've looked elsewhere as well) as to why my/the WDTV LIVE doesn't skip chapters in .mkv format?

i'm watching a movie (feature film) in .mkv right now, and when i hit NEXT or BACK it jumps to the end or start of the movie, not to the next chapter in the film.

i've tried hitting the OPTION button on the remote, then going to the right most icon (the chapter one), but i can't access it, it's like it doesn't recognize it.

Dumb question from me, but does the MKV file actually have chapters in it? Most don't, that's why I ask.

[brucered]

Dumb question from me, but does the MKV file actually have chapters in it? Most don't, that's why I ask.

perhaps not, that's why i'm asking. i thought i read on the WDTV TIPS page, that when watching a .mkv that supports chapters, you could use the next/back on the remote.

[Civuck]

Dumb question from me, but does the MKV file actually have chapters in it? Most don't, that's why I ask.My understanding is that MKVs CAN support chapter stops but by and large most MKV files do not have them encoded in. The same for DivX.

[adrianf74]

My understanding is that MKVs CAN support chapter stops but by and large most MKV files do not have them encoded in. The same for DivX.

Hence my question. When I create my own MKV files, I ensure that I keep all chapter marks although most created and "found" online do not.

[leololauzone]

Hey everyone,

Thanks for all the informative posts regarding the WDTV Live. It helped me make my decision in getting one. Can someone here tell me the best place to download movies, HD especially. Also with all the file sharing sites being shut down will it render file media players obsolete?

[belowzeros]

My understanding is that MKVs CAN support chapter stops but by and large most MKV files do not have them encoded in. The same for DivX.

since my post I have found out the same info. they have to be encoded, there is support in both Transport Stream and MKV but it's up to the author/encoder.

[S150PM]

MKV is a container for video, audio, subtitles, chapter, etc files...

If you use mkvtoolnix use can create chapter file as you want and mux it to the MKV file... but only software/player support chapter file will be able to skip to the next chapter... WDTV don't support chapter file...

http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/downloads.html

[leololauzone]

Can I use my video Ipod to store movies and have it play on a WDTV Live?

[macaximx]

Can I use my video Ipod to store movies and have it play on a WDTV Live?

No. The manual says, "the iPod is not a mass storage device and therefore is not support." You can connect the iPod to the WD TV Live to stream music.

[jackboot]

Just to add to what macaximx said...there are lots of media players that *are* mass storage devices and behave just like a hard drive when plugged into a PC (or the WDTV). iPods do not behave this (big downside IMO).

[leololauzone]

Thanks for the ipod info guys. I guess I'll have to get an external hard drive. Funny though whenever I plug my ipod into my computer it is recognized as a mass storage device?

[chuckfredgoose]

Anyone know why the WDTV doesn't play AAC audio? I have 1.11 firmware.

Also, does the other Media Players (Asus or Patriot) lock up often? My WDTV has to be hard booted every other day. :(

[Hugh]

It had limited networking management {do you mean "file management"?} from the get go thru the gui but only copy and move was visible. Both wdtv and the oplay heck both sigma units and relatek units use a linux kernel and are busybox source code based. Its not "hacking when entering thru telenet. Those are the commands used to run basic busybox functions. it was developed by erik anderson {and many others} and he's suing wdtv right now because wdtv is profiting off his work. He copywritedrighted it and it's the basis a component of dd-wrt and a variety of linux based software out there. If you use it and build from the source code you need to give the source code with your product. Wdtv didn't and their being sued. Asus has been releasing the code(parts not all eventually they have too)

It's not completely clear what Western Digital behaviour the SFLC is objecting to. I have a good impression of the SFLC (from a couple of face-to-face discussions and from the fact that their first BusyBox suit was prompted by a threat made to me). On the other hand, two other BusyBox authors (Parens and Landley, who happen to be in a cat fight with each other) both are not happy with the recent SFLC actions.

It's absolutely clear that anyone is allowed to profit off of GPLed code, as long as they follow the license. Too often vendors of products with embedded GPLed code don't actually comply. For example, Linksys sold a product with quite a bit of my code embedded in it and did not comply. They ignored my messages about this. Perhaps I should have brought a suit to get their attention.

Since suing isn't most programmers' interest or area of expertise, the SFLC lets authors assign copyright to them so they can do the legal work. That's what happened with BusyBox (but, for example, not the Linux kernel).

The SFLC says they always try to get a license violator to comply before they take legal action. This, surely, is not controversial.

Getting back on topic: as far as I know, WD has released GPLed source for the firmware they released. It may not be in a buildable state: they may well have failed to release the build chain. This is one barrier to truly open firmware from third parties. Other likely barriers: binary-only kernel modules, binary-only CoDecs, binary-only GUIs, binary-only programs for playing particular stream types.

DD-WRT is not the model that I'd like to follow for WDLIVE firmware. OpenWRT is.

[Jaremy T]

sorry if this has come up a million times, but what are you guys using to convert video to formats the wdtv plays?

I have only run into a few files that don't run on mine, and everything else has been flawless from the 2nd i plugged it into my network.

some .ts files are not supported however? I don't get audio when trying to play a Terry pratchett show that was recorded off a TV feed, however vlc/mpc do it fine on my pc.

[betamaxman]

sorry if this has come up a million times, but what are you guys using to convert video to formats the wdtv plays?

I have only run into a few files that don't run on mine, and everything else has been flawless from the 2nd i plugged it into my network.

some .ts files are not supported however? I don't get audio when trying to play a Terry pratchett show that was recorded off a TV feed, however vlc/mpc do it fine on my pc.


Handbrake, winff, or autoGN.

[hyperactiveme]

Also, does the other Media Players (Asus or Patriot) lock up often? My WDTV has to be hard booted every other day. :(

sounds like a firmware problem. Either update or downgrade deepending on which end you're at. Best bet is to just join a dedicated forum

[FatIndian]

Quick question:

Do you guys leave devices like these on all the time? Should I power it off after use or just leave it on?

[porphyra]

Quick question:

Do you guys leave devices like these on all the time? Should I power it off after use or just leave it on?

My device is programmed to turn off with the Macro command in my Harmony remote. I see no point in leaving it on, and unnecessarily generate heat and use power for no reason. It's quite quick to come back on when you turn it on, so I see no point leaving it on a ll the time.

[J-Wo]

Quick question:

Do you guys leave devices like these on all the time? Should I power it off after use or just leave it on?

I'd turn it off, just like I turn off my xbox, amp, blu-ray player, and tv when I'm done watching.

[skywalker]

I'd turn it off, just like I turn off my xbox, amp, blu-ray player, and tv when I'm done watching.

Unless you unplug the power, even it's turn off the box still warm. There is light on on the back see through optical audio output.

[Vinman]

Unless you unplug the power, even it's turn off the box still warm.

I had that problem with the original WDTV, but my WDTV Live! seems to turn off just fine and doesn't get warm at all.

[rvs007]

I have to keep my WDTV Live on all the time so that I can transfer files to the HDD connected to the WDTV from my PC. It's too bad the HDD is not accessible when the WDTV is turned off.

[Menace]

That is because owners of original WDTV were b1tching about HDD was always on after the unit was turned off.


It's too bad the HDD is not accessible when the WDTV is turned off.

[Mirx]

That is because owners of original WDTV were b1tching about HDD was always on after the unit was turned off.

This is no different then any other device. If you have a HDD plugged into a NAS, PC or whatever, and you turn the power off to that device, you're not getting on the HDD.

[ezryder]

MKV is a container for video, audio, subtitles, chapter, etc files...

If you use mkvtoolnix use can create chapter file as you want and mux it to the MKV file... but only software/player support chapter file will be able to skip to the next chapter... WDTV don't support chapter file...

http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/downloads.html

I have downloaded .MKV concerts before, that are set up with a chapter at the start of every song and they work fine with my WDTV units. You can't just hit next to go to the next song, you have to press the option button on the remote and go to the far right of the menu bar and pick the time based chapter that you want. Not ideal but it does work.

[Civuck]

A new firmware has been released (http://ow.ly/16bCj).

Release 1.01.24 (2/9/10)

* Implemented add to playlist feature in YouTube™.
* Added Save search queries to save users time in re-entering search terms in YouTube.
* Added seeking controls (fast forward/rewind) in the YouTube player in 10 second increments.
* Fixed YouTube video list not presented in the same order as provided by YouTube server.
* Added Flag Video feature to YouTube.
* Updated to the new YouTube Video logo throughout the application.
* Modified YouTube video timestamp format to make it more readable.
* Redesigned YouTube user interface to comply with YouTube requirements.

[brucered]

A new firmware has been released (http://ow.ly/16bCj).

Release 1.01.24 (2/9/10)

* Implemented add to playlist feature in YouTube™.
* Added Save search queries to save users time in re-entering search terms in YouTube.
* Added seeking controls (fast forward/rewind) in the YouTube player in 10 second increments.
* Fixed YouTube video list not presented in the same order as provided by YouTube server.
* Added Flag Video feature to YouTube.
* Updated to the new YouTube Video logo throughout the application.
* Modified YouTube video timestamp format to make it more readable.
* Redesigned YouTube user interface to comply with YouTube requirements.

YAY! a bunch of youtube updates, but now it doesn't play a lot of content, it says something about it being "restricted" something to do with copyright.

hopefully they fix some of the network issues (i have hadn't had any problems, but lots of people have) and fix the following:

double thumbnail issue
all media showing up on network shares

[lead]

YAY! a bunch of youtube updates, but now it doesn't play a lot of content, it says something about it being "restricted" something to do with copyright.

hopefully they fix some of the network issues (i have hadn't had any problems, but lots of people have) and fix the following:

double thumbnail issue
all media showing up on network shares

so basically its down to a gimped version of youtube support.

Nice! it can officially do less than when it was released!

[belowzeros]

let me watch videos that are rar'd, some chapter or menu support for isos, sort by date and stop the network protocol or chipset itself from crashing and I'd be happier than my kids on xmas morn

[DavidN]

Quick question for you guys. Can you make your blu ray player on your PC a shared drive, and then play blu rays through the WD Live on your TV? Does anyone know if this is doable?

[ppl4golf]

Again, WDTV Live is better if you :

1. need DVR-MS support (but it doesn't bitstream DD5.1 in DVR-MS WTF??)
2. YouTube but looks like some videos are killed in the latest firmware.
3. Use the 3rd party firmware (I'll be going there soon to get that Media Browser look)

#3 is the biggest advantage.

Other than the X,Y-interface is a little more user friendly, the LIVE is a PITA to use if you're into FF, Rewind, etc. It is actually garbage in doing that.

The PBO can :
1. Dial the time in and GOTO
2. Skip/Replay 30 seconds for each button push.
3. DVD menu with menu buttons on remote.

[sb_tor]

PBO is the best.

[maritimer555]

Hi Folks,

I'm a new WD Live owner. I hooked it up quickly earlier in the week and really haven’t had much time to play with it.
Too much shoveling and Olympics to distract me.

However very early indications are good. You tube videos come thru very well- I’m impressed. I'm running windows 7 and I have be able to find most of my files. MP3 files sound very good streamed and linked to my surround sound via toslink. AVI and most video files came thru nice. Not sure about blu rays files- I don’t have many and I will check this weekend.
Also this weekend I will set up my harmony one to run it and test it a bit more.
Not sure what firmware I am running and will wait for more testing before I change it(if necessary)

Overall –despite much of the negative posts on here and other forums I am excited with this product and look forward to have a remote controlled interface to my music and video files.

Have a great weekend.

PS - i pm'ed it for $136 or so at Staples.

[ah802]

It's $129.99 at CC this weekend.

[maritimer555]

It's $129.99 at CC this weekend.

i must be tired - end of the week and all that - But who is CC?

[J-Wo]

i must be tired - end of the week and all that - But who is CC?

Canada Computers. http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=025525&cid=VID.978

[maritimer555]

Canada Computers. http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=025525&cid=VID.978

its also $129.99 at Amazon.ca

http://www.amazon.ca/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_10?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=wd+tv+live+hd+media+player&sprefix=wd+tv+live

[jroc]

Anyone get really slow file transfer speed (1 mb/s) from your computer to a hard drive attached to the WDTV Live ?. I am using an approved wireless adaptor (Trendnet). Will have to switch to wired if I have to, but it is going to be messy.

[Civuck]

A big custom firmware update by B-RAD.

Read more here (http://b-rad.cc/1158/heads-up-wdtv-g2-wdtv-live/).

[Garmin]

you are getting a good deal on the WD live (below $ 119)?

[Tig]

I have to say that this product is very good. It's changed the way I watch content on my TV the way my PVR did when I first got it.

[newt_101]

Been considering this for a while but the UI is ugly and the community support is quite bare.

The PopBox is set to come out at the end of the month for $129US.

Plays absolutely everything, love the way films are linked to IMDB.com, the Apps developing platform looks promising by offering unparalleled growth, and amazing community support (see the Popcorn Hours').

PopBox Info: http://www.popbox.com/

PopBox Demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwVlybCElok

[while[1];do;done]

So summarizing for people who are doing the PM:

It's also $129.99 at (From West to East):
NCIX
Memory Express ($129.99 is the regular price here)
CC
NewEgg
TigerDirect

I just checked and Amazon doesn't seem to have it at $129.99 but they seem to be out.

[apn64]

Ran into another bug last night...

Spouse was using the box to catch up on Idol and skipping through the "chat" sequences to speed things up. Somehow the unit got locked into a state displaying the screen saver (WD logo) and playing audio from the program in play.

No response to the remote, but a power-cycle reboot restored the state of the machine.

[lead]

Been considering this for a while but the UI is ugly and the community support is quite bare.

The PopBox is set to come out at the end of the month for $129US.

Plays absolutely everything, love the way films are linked to IMDB.com, the Apps developing platform looks promising by offering unparalleled growth, and amazing community support (see the Popcorn Hours').

PopBox Info: http://www.popbox.com/

PopBox Demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwVlybCElok

the auto scapers the key to this box, if you have a large library its an absolute.The question will be format support. Sigma has been known to be notorious on only letting you play only whats paid for and theres noway around it. At 130 usd running the more expensive chip version than the live somewhere something had to cut costs but won't know till its review by impartial 3rd party. I'm pretty sure no youtube since popcorn and youtube had a falling out over the licensing

[newt_101]

the auto scapers the key to this box, if you have a large library its an absolute.The question will be format support. Sigma has been known to be notorious on only letting you play only whats paid for and theres noway around it. At 130 usd running the more expensive chip version than the live somewhere something had to cut costs but won't know till its review by impartial 3rd party. I'm pretty sure no youtube since popcorn and youtube had a falling out over the licensing

YouTube won't likely be there, no, but with all the community support the Popcorn Hour has, this is sure to follow in its heels with community based apps, firmware and updates.
I've used both the Live and Popcorn Hour, and Popcorn beats it hands down for everything (except the price).

I can honestly not see anything wrong or missing with the PopBox's specs on the site.
Even the video demo in the link I posted above showcases a very quick, pretty, user-friendly and smooth player, but yes, an unbiased review is needed, and then I'm hopefully on my way to pick this up.

[Eldorado]

Best Buy's price goes back to $169 tomorrow - so wait until then to do a PM with them

[rui]

There is only one winner and it is dlink boxee.

[escapehatch]

All of these devices are limited by the fact that they are closed, albeit hackable, systems. The small HTPC still seems to be the best long term solution.

If copying media is still illegal, how do these companies get away with marketing products that encourage it?

[newt_101]

There is only one winner and it is dlink boxee.

What makes it better than the PopBox?
I've compared the 2 and don't see it being any better, and the interface is not as nice.

[densil_lopez]

Does any of this boxes allow web surfing ????:confused:

[lead]

What makes it better than the PopBox?
I've compared the 2 and don't see it being any better, and the interface is not as nice.

in theory the boxee could support xbmc, also the internet streaming is basically who ever makes a plugin for it, popcorn can't really touch boxee's support base being its a port of xbmc

[ipxxx]

2. YouTube but looks like some videos are killed in the latest firmware.

One of the selling points for the WDTV Live for me is the YouTube streaming...can you please clarify what you mean? How can some videos be selectively "killed"?


Best Buy's price goes back to $169 tomorrow - so wait until then to do a PM with them

Looks like they got wind of what people were going to do =P The 139.99 price @ BestBuy is on until March 11th now

[ppl4golf]

One of the selling points for the WDTV Live for me is the YouTube streaming...can you please clarify what you mean? How can some videos be selectively "killed"?



Looks like they got wind of what people were going to do =P The 139.99 price @ BestBuy is on until March 11th now

I believe some youtube contents get error messages (many still play fine BTW). I don't use it much, but I do recall getting some 'unable to display' messages that I have never had before. May be others can chime in.

[Eldorado]

Looks like they got wind of what people were going to do =P The 139.99 price @ BestBuy is on until March 11th now

Arg... this sale has been going on forever! I hate stores that advertise a fake regular price just to make the 'sale' price seem good

[betamaxman]

Does any of this boxes allow web surfing ????:confused:
Only the arvhos tv+ allows this to my knowledge. However though it has a hdmi output it's best resolution is 480p and hidef content can not even be displayed. The plugins for surfing and some video play back will cost you some extra money from archos, but I was able to buy all four on ebay for $25 cdn. It records good video through component or svideo and more hard drive space can be added via usb and the unit can be used as a pc external drive. The firmware is linux based and it is sad there is no third party support for this as the hardware it self is great. The remote has a keyboard similar to many smart phones for web surfing. I bought mine at the FS table for open box items for $89 and there are plenty offerings on ebay.
It also streams very well via wireless, and sees my WDTV live's external drive and can stream from it as well.
To bad the features from this can not be added to something like the western digital. I am likeing my archos and the pluses far out weigh the minuses.
http://reviews.cnet.com/portable-video-players-pvps/archos-tv-250gb/4505-6499_7-32751294.html

[lead]

Only the arvhos tv+ allows this to my knowledge. However though it has a hdmi output it's best resolution is 480p and hidef content can not even be displayed. The plugins for surfing and some video play back will cost you some extra money from archos, but I was able to buy all four on ebay for $25 cdn. It records good video through component or svideo and more hard drive space can be added via usb and the unit can be used as a pc external drive. The firmware is linux based and it is sad there is no third party support for this as the hardware it self is great. The remote has a keyboard similar to many smart phones for web surfing. I bought mine at the FS table for open box items for $89 and there are plenty offerings on ebay.
It also streams very well via wireless, and sees my WDTV live's external drive and can stream from it as well.
To bad the features from this can not be added to something like the western digital. I am likeing my archos and the pluses far out weigh the minuses.
http://reviews.cnet.com/portable-video-players-pvps/archos-tv-250gb/4505-6499_7-32751294.html

it came for atv, give it time for your archos!
http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?t=35139

[newt_101]

in theory the boxee could support xbmc, also the internet streaming is basically who ever makes a plugin for it, popcorn can't really touch boxee's support base being its a port of xbmc

Just watched this video about Boxee
http://vimeo.com/8599559

So, if I was to use an iPhone or Boxee compatible remote, would I not be able to have the same outcome that Boxee, PopBox or WDTV Live would offer for a fraction of the cost?

[lead]

Just watched this video about Boxee
http://vimeo.com/8599559

So, if I was to use an iPhone or Boxee compatible remote, would I not be able to have the same outcome that Boxee, PopBox or WDTV Live would offer for a fraction of the cost?

with your iphone? you kinda lost me? fraction of what cost? If your not using boxee, or wdtv, or popbox, then what are you using? and how with your iphone?, that only costs a fraction compared to the others? if you mean on your computer, then its free software.

In a nutshell sigma based units(wdtv,popcorn etc) will only ever do what sigma lets them do, never any more than what was paid for upfront. Theirs no way the popbox will out perform in feel,function the doubled priced popcorn a200. It would run contrary to how sigma has done business since,,,,ever!

[newt_101]

with your iphone? you kinda lost me? fraction of what cost? If your not using boxee, or wdtv, or popbox, then what are you using? and how with your iphone?, that only costs a fraction compared to the others? if you mean on your computer, then its free software.

In a nutshell sigma based units(wdtv,popcorn etc) will only ever do what sigma lets them do, never any more than what was paid for upfront. Theirs no way the popbox will out perform in feel,function the doubled priced popcorn a200. It would run contrary to how sigma has done business since,,,,ever!

According to the Boxee's site, there is an iPhone app that acts as a remote control for the Boxee program you can download from their site (versus the one that comes with the Boxee media player that will be available in a couple of months).

So if you want something that will allow it to expand in the future and not be held back from the way technology changes, than what should you consider; a non-Sigma based unit? The Popcorn A200? Boxee Box? What else? I don't see the point in buying something now for $130, if I can buy something for a bit more and then have it up to par long-term.

[lead]

According to the Boxee's site, there is an iPhone app that acts as a remote control for the Boxee program you can download from their site (versus the one that comes with the Boxee media player that will be available in a couple of months).

So if you want something that will allow it to expand in the future and not be held back from the way technology changes, than what should you consider; a non-Sigma based unit? The Popcorn A200? Boxee Box? What else? I don't see the point in buying something now for $130, if I can buy something for a bit more and then have it up to par long-term.

well its all on chip they'll be no upgrades, the iphone is just a gimmik gadget meaning you can use it instead of the rf remote which will have a keyboard on the backside instead of an on screen virtual one found in other boxes.

The thing is boxee has I believe nightly builds just like xbmc, with a whole community helping out. Thats the real difference between it an anything else standalone.

we may as well add the new oplay hd2 to the battle no details but some pics
http://www.slashgear.com/asus-oplay-hd2-quietly-arrives-at-cebit-2010-0276302/

[Garmin]

129$ on dell.ca:

WD TV Live HD Media Player (http://accessories.dell.com/sna/sna.aspx?c=ca&cs=cadhs1&l=en&s=dhs&~topic=hotdeals_redhot&dgc=SM&cid=42536&lid=1378874)

not a big deal, but free shipping

[ppl4golf]

Seriously who would want to buy this POS ??

Expensive, SD youtube, finicky networking...

I had it running good for months and all of a sudden, network dropouts again. Also, the latest firmware killed HD youtube.

Using a 3rd party firmware is inevitable.

[Tig]

Works great for me. Then again I don't watch youtube on my TV.

[Totoriko]

Does anyone know whether the WDTV v1 is as good as this if Wireless networking isn't taken into account? I read somewhere that the WDTV can have network access using a USB->LAN adapter and a custom firmware.

[cdooer]

I believe the WDTV Live decodes HD audio, while the original WDTV does not. A buddy of mine has the original, and a lot of the BD backups do not have audio when plugged directly into the TV, so unless you have a receiver that does the decoding, you may be SOL for audio. I do believe that you are correct regarding the network capabilities of the original though, it can be networked with a little work.

[Totoriko]

I believe the WDTV Live decodes HD audio, while the original WDTV does not. A buddy of mine has the original, and a lot of the BD backups do not have audio when plugged directly into the TV, so unless you have a receiver that does the decoding, you may be SOL for audio. I do believe that you are correct regarding the network capabilities of the original though, it can be networked with a little work.

Thanks for that info

[ppl4golf]

I believe the WDTV Live decodes HD audio, while the original WDTV does not. A buddy of mine has the original, and a lot of the BD backups do not have audio when plugged directly into the TV, so unless you have a receiver that does the decoding, you may be SOL for audio. I do believe that you are correct regarding the network capabilities of the original though, it can be networked with a little work.


Thanks for that info

Anything DTS to be specific. None of these devices does TrueHD AFAIK.

WDTV2 and WDTV Live decodes DTS but the funny thing is you have to stop playback and bend over a couple of times to get to the HDMI menu to select STEREO sound so the HDMI can carry a decodable sound via HDMI to the TV.

[Eldorado]

I believe the WDTV Live decodes HD audio, while the original WDTV does not. A buddy of mine has the original, and a lot of the BD backups do not have audio when plugged directly into the TV, so unless you have a receiver that does the decoding, you may be SOL for audio. I do believe that you are correct regarding the network capabilities of the original though, it can be networked with a little work.

Not true on the HD Audio, doesn't do any decoding of the new HD audio codecs

The problem your friend is likely having is that majority of BD rips that you will download have DTS audio, the original can't downmix DTS to stereo.. thus why his tv has no sound

[Civuck]

New official firmware is out (http://wdtvlive.com/blog/2010/04/01/wd-tv-live-hd-media-player-product-update-has-been-released/).

[brucered]

New official firmware is out (http://wdtvlive.com/blog/2010/04/01/wd-tv-live-hd-media-player-product-update-has-been-released/).

ah man, no DVD menu support and still not filtering of the ALL MEDIA problem with NETWORK SHARING?

oh well, perhaps they are still working on it >:(

[belowzeros]

no dvd menu is killing my life. i think I am going to buy another device. Love this little monster but I think I'll be waiting in perpetuity.

can live with the other shortfalls, my kingdom for dvd menu support

[Wrocky]

no dvd menu is killing my life. i think I am going to buy another device. Love this little monster but I think I'll be waiting in perpetuity.

can live with the other shortfalls, my kingdom for dvd menu support

I hear you and that's why I bought an O!Play as well. WDTV Live has some great features, but that DVD menu thing is something I just don't understand why they haven't implemented. It can't be that hard, lots of people/companies have done it already.

[betamaxman]

Yes no menu support kills those dvds with two parts two them.

Any way the annoying audio sync problem some hd files had seems to be gone, and that makes it a worth while upgrade, imo.

[lead]

I hear you and that's why I bought an O!Play as well. WDTV Live has some great features, but that DVD menu thing is something I just don't understand why they haven't implemented. It can't be that hard, lots of people/companies have done it already.

It requires a license and they didn't pay for it so sigma didn't include it. If it does come it'll be in a whole new model. Thats how sigma does business.

[Vidboy]

Came back from vacation and my power light was flashing, unit bricked for no reason now I have to RMA it back to WD. Not a happy camper, was looking forward to watching all our HD vacations videos in 1080p.........

[JustinZ]

Works great for me. Then again I don't watch youtube on my TV.

+1

have 2 of these

Tversity and 8 TB of 1080p mkvs and no problems

[MidnightWatcher]

no dvd menu is killing my life. i think I am going to buy another device. Love this little monster but I think I'll be waiting in perpetuity.

can live with the other shortfalls, my kingdom for dvd menu support
One of the main reasons why I have the Xtreamer instead. WD really needs to put that feature in the next firmware.

[Beradon]

It requires a license and they didn't pay for it so sigma didn't include it. If it does come it'll be in a whole new model. Thats how sigma does business.
So you're saying that these features need to be hard coded into the Sigma chips at production and cannot be added through firmware?

[lead]

So you're saying that these features need to be hard coded into the Sigma chips at production and cannot be added through firmware?

no the dvd menu could easily be added with a firmware update but wd would have to pay for it, for sigma to include it. They never paid for it so you'll never get it from a wd firmware update.

Don't expect anything new or more than what it says it can do. Thats all decided before its made. A budget is set a box is designed and a manufacture builds it. Anything broke gets fixed in firmware updates anything added will not exceed the agreement wd made with sigma to build it.

Basically I visualize these boxes as having 3 parts
dvdplayer
gui
busybox/linux kernel for o/s

sigma ownes the boxes dvdplayer(but they have to pay other parties for adding codecs to be hard decoded by their dvdplayer)
wd owns the gui(maybe not, usually yes)
busybox is open source,(this is what the hacked firmwares manipulate), as is the linux kernel that runs its os

now you want dvd menu that requires a license like divx and dts etc. wd can't add that only sigma could cause its their chip not wd.
Remember don't buy a 2 wheel drive truck if you want 4x4 and expect the dealer to add it at their expense.

[betamaxman]

Bottom line, the oplay seems to be looking better and better, or perhaps the patbox. I don't think I would buy a wdtv again without trying one of these first.

[rharasem]

Is anyone super familiar with Brad CC's firmware... I am having some troubles making it see my shares. Any one have a link to a good "newbie/idiots" guide to setting it up with a usb to ethernet set up or anyone that can provide some insight on what i am doing wrong?

[Totoriko]

Is anyone super familiar with Brad CC's firmware... I am having some troubles making it see my shares. Any one have a link to a good "newbie/idiots" guide to setting it up with a usb to ethernet set up or anyone that can provide some insight on what i am doing wrong?

did you try wdtvforum.com?

[newt_101]

Can anyone confirm whether this or any other media players are available at Costco warehouses?

I remember seeing a thread showing it was, but I can't find it on Costco's site, so confirmation would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks.

[cdooer]

Can anyone confirm whether this or any other media players are available at Costco warehouses?

I remember seeing a thread showing it was, but I can't find it on Costco's site, so confirmation would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks.

My cousin bought the original WDTV at Costco in Kanata about 6 months ago.

[CHIA]

Can anyone confirm whether this or any other media players are available at Costco warehouses?

I remember seeing a thread showing it was, but I can't find it on Costco's site, so confirmation would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks.

Saw them in BC store last week.

[excel]

is the asus o! play better?

http://www.asus.com/Search.aspx?SearchKey=o!play

therre's a new model coming out too

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/04/asus-o-play-hd2-spotted-specd-explained/

[cdooer]

is the asus o! play better?

http://www.asus.com/Search.aspx?SearchKey=o!play

therre's a new model coming out too

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/04/asus-o-play-hd2-spotted-specd-explained/

It completely depends on who you ask, I wouldn't expect to get an answer on this, or any other forum. Each device has it's fans - PBO, WDTV, O!Play, Popcorn Hour, Xtreamer, etc - and each fan group has users willing to die to defend their device' honor :lol:

[Totoriko]

is the asus o! play better?

http://www.asus.com/Search.aspx?SearchKey=o!play

therre's a new model coming out too

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/04/asus-o-play-hd2-spotted-specd-explained/

I have both the O!Play and the WDTV Live. I find the O!Play better when it comes to navigating the menu. I also like features like Fast Skipping during playback. The WDTV Live is more responsive and allows Internet TV streaming (O!Play gives invalid file). So both have their good and bad.

[lead]

is the asus o! play better?

http://www.asus.com/Search.aspx?SearchKey=o!play

therre's a new model coming out too

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/04/asus-o-play-hd2-spotted-specd-explained/

newer should be better but no price no detailed review or specs. Until then its not an option.

if you your buying one of these box's now! well for 74.99 its the best bang for buck.Since newer will always come and offer more, then its better to pay the least now for one and bank the savings for a box that grabs your interest in the future.

If your dissapointed with a box you payed 75 for imagine how you'll feel if you paid 130??

[bdragon]

http://accessories.dell.com/sna/products/Accessories/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&cs=cadhs1&sku=A3145091
don't forget your airmiles

[AloneInACrowd]

I had an Asus O!Play and I have to say it was the worst player I've ever used...firmware was buggy, the support forum is atrocious, everything stream wise was crap.

Also another thing not noted with Asus, but wireless N is only supported in the 2.4Ghz band, not the 5Ghz. I ended up wiring mine, but still had problems connecting to NAS drives.

Nick

[game_fanatic]

So the benefit to an O!Play or WDTV Live over an Xbox 360 is the larger number of supported video files and quieter operation during playback?

[RedRooster]

So the benefit to an O!Play or WDTV Live over an Xbox 360 is the larger number of supported video files and quieter operation during playback?

Absolutely! I'm looking forward to hearing 5.1 on my MKVs instead of having to remux them to crappy two channel mp4s on the XBox. Now it'll be for games and music only.

[Totoriko]

So the benefit to an O!Play or WDTV Live over an Xbox 360 is the larger number of supported video files and quieter operation during playback?

Yep. Those are so much better than the Xbox360

[game_fanatic]

Absolutely! I'm looking forward to hearing 5.1 on my MKVs instead of having to remux them to crappy two channel mp4s on the XBox. Now it'll be for games and music only.


Yep. Those are so much better than the Xbox360

Great thanks guys :)

[lead]

So the benefit to an O!Play or WDTV Live over an Xbox 360 is the larger number of supported video files and quieter operation during playback?

and power consumption 10w vs +100w + computer.

[lead]

I had an Asus O!Play and I have to say it was the worst player I've ever used...firmware was buggy, the support forum is atrocious, everything stream wise was crap.

Also another thing not noted with Asus, but wireless N is only supported in the 2.4Ghz band, not the 5Ghz. I ended up wiring mine, but still had problems connecting to NAS drives.

Nick

you know the concensus is its argueably the most stable plug in play streamer. Its networking is solid and its firmware is 1 a month pretty much unmatched so far. I used lan and wireless bridge and now just a usb dongle. 99% on most boxes is user error while using windows. If your having problems connecting to your nas, which mine never had from 1.07- 1.21(1.12air). Its your router.

Unlike the wdtvlive which is still plagued by many with random disconnects during a movie is just unexplainably weird?

[LonesomeDove]

Dell has it for $129.99 as part of 72 hr sale. Free shipping.

http://accessories.dell.com/sna/products/Accessories/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&sku=A3145091

[Totoriko]

Dell has it for $129.99 as part of 72 hr sale. Free shipping.

http://accessories.dell.com/sna/products/Accessories/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&sku=A3145091

ncix has it for same price and was giving free express shipping just last week, also less tax applied

[spotts01]

WDTV Live and the OPLay both have composite out which is important to me. I have a front projector for HDMI but that is often not on and so I use my old TV sometimes. Does anyone know if all of the outputs are live simultaneously or do you need to manually switch back and forth.

This question is for both players.

Lack of DVD menus has me leaning to OPlay.

Thanks

[AloneInACrowd]

you know the concensus is its argueably the most stable plug in play streamer. Its networking is solid and its firmware is 1 a month pretty much unmatched so far. I used lan and wireless bridge and now just a usb dongle. 99% on most boxes is user error while using windows. If your having problems connecting to your nas, which mine never had from 1.07- 1.21(1.12air). Its your router.

Unlike the wdtvlive which is still plagued by many with random disconnects during a movie is just unexplainably weird?

Odd, polar opposite the experience I've had with the O!Play Air...wireless dropped enough times that I had to give up and wire it. Even after wiring it I was having random drops and disconnects, so I tried directly plugging a USB Hard drive into it...

720p rips on an HD I plugged directly into the device froze it up.
If it couldn't connect to a network share first time it froze up.
If you kept it on wireless the device lagged, and button presses were sporadic.

When I got it to actually see my network shares and connect to it, even just XviD files caused the unit to stutter and lock up on occasion...

I mean I'm not biased, and I don't have a terrible router (Wrt610n running dd-wrt, current up-time is around a week (upgraded the firmware last week) dual band setup for 5Ghz N and 2.4Ghz NG) I was also running Mac exclusively for the duration I had the O!Play (3 days before it went back to CC for an exchange for the WDTVLive)

WDTVLive I just dropped in and it's working. Just finished watching 6 seasons of entourage on it, not a single connection drop, hiccup, or freeze. Threw in the USB HD just for shits and giggles and I've currently got it streaming 720p content with 0 hook ups, lag, or problem.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm just speaking from my personal experiences.

I really do hope the o!play improves, as competition leads to innovation :)

[just_playing]

Just purchased WDTV live from BB for 128.99 + tax in Kanata

Very impressed with the quality & ease of install :)

[PJStyles]

For those of you with Windows 7 and XBox 360, you can simply install DivX Plus and you will be able to play .MKV files with full 5.1 surround sound on your xbox 360 via Windows Media Center.

Doesn't take away the loudness of the xbox 360 when running, but now there's no need to convert your .MKV files to .MP4 or .WMV.

PJStyles

[belowzeros]

hey all i need some help


i have been having trouble with .wmv files on my WDTV since I got it. Sometimes they play sometimes they don't. I think it's because they are poorly encoded or some such.

Is there a way to easily convert them to avi or something else of similar quality? I'm an a/v noob but I can navigate the right software if someone points me in the right direction.

tia

[ppl4golf]

I recently upgraded to some nicer equipment...

Switching HDMI receiver, nicer speakers and the whole meal deal.

As some know, I have both WDTV Live and Patriot Box Office. PBO and O!Play are pretty much same thing in the guts.

There are some major f'up in the WDTV Live as I discovered.

While it bitstreams properly coded TrueHD (straight from Blu-ray)...Can you believe it doesn't do multi-channel LPCM (eg FLAC, WAV, W64, etc)?? It automatically downmixes LPCM to 2-channel PCM which is garbage for movies. WDTV Live has the best video processing power and I have more than one clip to prove it. The various missing feature on the LIVE and the odd network glitches is just not funny.

All in all, WDTV Live needs to be where it should be : <<$100 that is :)

[mtlRobot]

hey all i need some help


i have been having trouble with .wmv files on my WDTV since I got it. Sometimes they play sometimes they don't. I think it's because they are poorly encoded or some such.

Is there a way to easily convert them to avi or something else of similar quality? I'm an a/v noob but I can navigate the right software if someone points me in the right direction.

tia

try Format Factory.

[ChopSuey]

For those who don't have a COSTCO membership, or can't find it at your location, Canada Computers has the WDTV Live Player on sale for $119.99.

Link: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=44_567&item_id=025525

[Civuck]

The WDTV Live is back on sale at Canada Computers for $119.99

[while[1];do;done]

For us in Alberta/Winnipeg same price at Memory Express.

[scorpo]

For those who don't have a COSTCO membership, or can't find it at your location, Canada Computers has the WDTV Live Player on sale for $119.99.

Link: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=44_567&item_id=025525

I didn't know Costco carried the WDTV Live. Anyone know how much they sell it for?

[Silverman]

I didn't know Costco carried the WDTV Live. Anyone know how much they sell it for?

$109 if you can find it
http://forums.redflagdeals.com/hot-wd-tv-live-109-costco-pm-stooples-876140/

[kohnan]

The WDTV Live is back on sale at Canada Computers for $119.99

For those with Costco memberships it's $109.99 at Costco. And no charge for shipping!

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/hot-wd-tv-live-109-costco-pm-stooples-876140/

[zoolander]

For those with Costco memberships it's $109.99 at Costco. And no charge for shipping!

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/hot-wd-tv-live-109-costco-pm-stooples-876140/

link? I don't see it on the Costco.ca or .com website.

[Raddo]

thanks OP, but I think someone already posted this deal back in OCT/09! http://forums.redflagdeals.com/wdtv-live-network-media-player-119-99-canada-computers-800898/ IBTL! :D

[Menace]

Deal is on @ CC

No, I didn't see it at our local Costco as last Friday.

[zoolander]

I posted this in the other thread, Costco computer shows $118.xx + $2.75 eco fee, 94 units in Burlington. I might just pm CC at BB which is closer and has no restocking fee should I have a problem with it. AFAIK, more turndowns if I try to pm the Costco warehouse price.

[Nfiltr8tor]

Costco in Etobicoke is $118 as well

[gilligan]

Costco in Etobicoke is $118 as well

Anyone confirm if costco has these in it's western canada stores?

Thanks

[ZeeTX]

Anyone owning/experience with this WDTV Live & the ASUS OPlay HD-R3, could post/share some useful differences....
(Apart from the obvious such as ASUS OPlay HD-R3 has E-SATA, built in Wireless N and multimedia card reader) and preference one over other..??

That would be very helpful.. Thanks in advance..

:arrowu::arrowu:

[zoolander]

Just came back $117.99 pm'd at BB, no eco fee.

[1226]

So if I wanted to attach a big HD (2TB if possible) to this thing is there any specific type/brand I should be looking for?

[macaximx]

So if I wanted to attach a big HD (2TB if possible) to this thing is there any specific type/brand I should be looking for?

Western Digital :D

[1226]

Western Digital :D

Funny. Strangely enough the WD website seems to agree. :)

[xla4life]

Has anybody gotten the WD TV Live player to successfully play the native recorded files from their Mythtv box?

The MythTV recordings seem to be mpg files, but when I try to play them with my wd tv live, I get a blank screen, but the counter is moving. I have tried streaming from the mythbox and playing the file directly from a usb drive.

I'm wondering if I have to transcode the recording into another format first. If so, how?

Thanks in advance!

[Hugh]

Has anybody gotten the WD TV Live player to successfully play the native recorded files from their Mythtv box?

The MythTV recordings seem to be mpg files, but when I try to play them with my wd tv live, I get a blank screen, but the counter is moving. I have tried streaming from the mythbox and playing the file directly from a usb drive.

I'm wondering if I have to transcode the recording into another format first. If so, how?

Thanks in advance!

I've tried to use WDTV-Live with my MythTV recordings. And failed. In two different ways, one of which is like yours. I've asked for ideas on the mythtv-users mailing list but have not solved the problem.
http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-December/275129.html
http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-May/288527.html
I imagine that a transcode would could fix this but I've not gotten there yet.

[betamaxman]

Western Digital :D

I am using a 1 tb ipro drive that I bought from FS for $79 some time ago and it works just fine. The 2 tb version goes on sale from time to time for $179. Oddly my WD 2.5" 160gig portable drive does not.

[xla4life]

I unplugged the power of the wdtv and now it can stream my mythtv recordings! Go figure.


I've tried to use WDTV-Live with my MythTV recordings. And failed. In two different ways, one of which is like yours. I've asked for ideas on the mythtv-users mailing list but have not solved the problem.
http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-December/275129.html
http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-May/288527.html
I imagine that a transcode would could fix this but I've not gotten there yet.

[Civuck]

Sale for the WDTV Live at Canada Computers for $109.99 (http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=44_567&item_id=025525)

[J-Wo]

Good deal. You can PM at BB which has it regular price for $139.99 (http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/western-digital-tv-live-hd-media-player-wdbaan0000nbk-nesn/10131807.aspx?path=5be9c268cc5d968693bc3947167fc6a 1en02), making it $106.99.

[Just1Guru]

Good deal. You can PM at BB which has it regular price for $139.99 (http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/western-digital-tv-live-hd-media-player-wdbaan0000nbk-nesn/10131807.aspx?path=5be9c268cc5d968693bc3947167fc6a 1en02), making it $106.99.

From where did you pm it? I want to buy it for my sister for her birthday tomorrow so I don't have time to order it online.

Thanks!

[Eldorado]

From where did you pm it? I want to buy it for my sister for her birthday tomorrow so I don't have time to order it online.

Thanks!

Read one post above the one you quoted

[Ruciz]

PM at staples for even better deal, regular price is $170 :)
I may go pricematch again actually. These players CAN be the cream of the crop.

I just did this last week with the $119 sale and thought I got a good deal, damn!! This player is AWESEOME! I got a mvix ultio/cyclone MKV thing and its terrible, it does have nicer picture, but NOTHING else.

-look into B-rad firmware. Actually just install it. Its needed for this to work really.
-network streaming MUST be done with NFS if you wanna play BluRay... default for linux/mac but not windows of course. smb won't work. stuttering/glitching. I can stream 45GB bluray ISO files without issue over network.
-Msheets with thumbgen is also awesome, need a couple apps for that tho. Took me a while to figure out but works great. You have to modify setting in 000config file to enable the correct icon view layout. It wasn't obvious.
-modify your 000config file to enable youtubeHD in 1080p. This also removes content restrictions in place for playing on STB. Also good to throw in the shoutcast feeds if you like radio.
-If you don't plan to use a USB hub and hook all your network drives up to the player (like if you have gigabit network) then you may want to disable the ethernet when the player is not on as well.

Other than that this thing read every format possible via USB. EXt2/3, hfs, hfs+, Ntfs, fat, fat32.. got most basis covered. HFS/HFS+ only possible with the b-rad firmware.

[lord wayne]

I got the PM at Staples, $109 tax in.:D

[Just1Guru]

Good deal. You can PM at BB which has it regular price for $139.99 (http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/western-digital-tv-live-hd-media-player-wdbaan0000nbk-nesn/10131807.aspx?path=5be9c268cc5d968693bc3947167fc6a 1en02), making it $106.99.

Many thanks, just pm it at staples for 109$.
I am a bit suprise that it woked even if it doesn't have any canada computer in Quebec :-0

[Emporium]

Many thanks, just pm it at staples for 109$.
I am a bit suprise that it woked even if it doesn't have any canada computer in Quebec :-0

It's because there is free shipping... so they rarely hassle you for PM when it is a reputable online store, and they offer free shipping..

But how did "lord wayne" get it at $109 "TAX IN"...

Staples has it for $169.99.. CC for $109.99.. difference of $60.. So price would be:
$109.99 - $6 (10% of difference) = 103.99
Then Plus GST and PST, would be a little over $115, no ? Did I miss some additional stooples coupon or something ?

Thnx

[torseller07]

So I pulled the trigger on this (surprise!) yesterday. Here are some quick feedbacks on the unit:

The good:
Played almost everything I throw at it. Small foot print (a lot smaller than Asus O!Play). Two USB ports. Intuitive and pretty interface (ideal for the non-technical). Runs cool and quiet. Youtube is a bonus. Firmware upgrade is a breeze. Picture quality is just as good as my HTPC (Geforce 8300).

The bad:
Choke on one irrelevant ISO and (obviously) can't play FLV and RMVB. No menu nor close caption support for ISO (subtitle is fine). A bit picky on USB cable (I tried two cables before it detected my HDD enclosure). No Youtube HD. No wireless connection (but you can hook one up with USB). USB HDD would occasionally disappear on startup.

The ugly:
This unit wants to do frame rate conversion (which is fine by me) but it is doing it wrong! If you set this unit's output to HDMI-AUTO and play a 1080 clip with 24 FPS, it will pause for every 8 sec or so. To remedy this, manually set the output to whatever frame rate your clip is (e.g. if your clip is 24 FPS, set output to HDMI-1080p24). This is probably the biggest flaw in this unit. WD should just output whatever frame rate (i.e. as is) and let the TV do the frame conversion.

[lord wayne]

It's because there is free shipping... so they rarely hassle you for PM when it is a reputable online store, and they offer free shipping..

But how did "lord wayne" get it at $109 "TAX IN"...

Staples has it for $169.99.. CC for $109.99.. difference of $60.. So price would be:
$109.99 - $6 (10% of difference) = 103.99
Then Plus GST and PST, would be a little over $115, no ? Did I miss some additional stooples coupon or something ?

Thnx

I am in Alberta, no PST:D

[Ruciz]

So I pulled the trigger on this (surprise!) yesterday. Here are some quick feedbacks on the unit:

The good:
Played almost everything I throw at it. Small foot print (a lot smaller than Asus O!Play). Two USB ports. Intuitive and pretty interface (ideal for the non-technical). Runs cool and quiet. Youtube is a bonus. Firmware upgrade is a breeze. Picture quality is just as good as my HTPC (Geforce 8300).

The bad:
Choke on one irrelevant ISO and (obviously) can't play FLV and RMVB. No menu nor close caption support for ISO (subtitle is fine). A bit picky on USB cable (I tried two cables before it detected my HDD enclosure). No Youtube HD. No wireless connection (but you can hook one up with USB).

The ugly:
This unit wants to do frame rate conversion (which is fine by me) but it is doing it wrong! If you set this unit's output to HDMI-AUTO and play a 1080 clip with 24 FPS, it will pause for every 8 sec or so. To remedy this, manually set the output to whatever frame rate your clip is (e.g. if your clip is 24 FPS, set output to HDMI-1080p24). This is probably the biggest flaw in this unit. WD should just output whatever frame rate (i.e. as is) and let the TV do the frame conversion.

To repair the bad, install b-rad.cc firmware. Enable youtubeHD in the config settings (youtube made WD pull it, you can also use official 1.01.17 firmware, in .24 it was removed!)

I have never experienced your ugly, I have b-rad firmware though and net.mounts all my NFS shares. If you use samba/smb default windows shares yes. it will stutter/freeze. use NFS. if you use windows, get haneWIN. there are config guides everywhere.

For STB media playback, this is much better than most on market once the WDLXTV-live firmware is added. I am hoping b-rad fw can add file management so I can delete what I have seen once it finishes playing.

[torseller07]

Just for clarification. I am *not* playing media over network. The media are stored on a WD10EADS in a Vantec Nexstar 3 via USB. I defragged the HDD too.

The frame rate conversion is a bug in their official firmware. Google a bit (WDTV Live pause playback) and you will see people with similar experience. WD will save themselves a lot of effort if they just give us an "AS IS" option in the HDMI output setting.

[wlee]

it doesn't like the hdmi switch from monoprice 2 years ago, playback mkv files video is fine but audio stutter (seems constantly doing audio handshake/reset with receiver), connect hdmi directly with receiver, problem gone away.

is this a known problem? i'm using latest official firmware.

[Viz79]

Sale for the WDTV Live at Canada Computers for $109.99 (http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=44_567&item_id=025525)

I bought mine on the 23rd for $119.99 from CC, and they don't have a price protection policy. :cry:

~V79~

[J-Wo]

it doesn't like the hdmi switch from monoprice 2 years ago, playback mkv files video is fine but audio stutter (seems constantly doing audio handshake/reset with receiver), connect hdmi directly with receiver, problem gone away.

is this a known problem? i'm using latest official firmware.
Did you try connecting a separate optical audio cable to your receiver and using your hdmi with your switch?

[J-Wo]

The ugly:
This unit wants to do frame rate conversion (which is fine by me) but it is doing it wrong! If you set this unit's output to HDMI-AUTO and play a 1080 clip with 24 FPS, it will pause for every 8 sec or so. To remedy this, manually set the output to whatever frame rate your clip is (e.g. if your clip is 24 FPS, set output to HDMI-1080p24). This is probably the biggest flaw in this unit. WD should just output whatever frame rate (i.e. as is) and let the TV do the frame conversion.
I have mine set at HDMI-1080p60 and find this plays 24fps, 25fps, and 30fps material all very smoothly on my 46" 1080p 240hz Samsung LCD.

[torseller07]

Also there is one other annoyance: when powering up, it takes about 2-3 minutes to probe the attached enclosure.

Pretty sure the stuttering is due to the firmware. The bug becomes more noticeable when you play higher bitrate mkv files. One thing I haven't tried though is to hook up the box to my 120Hz LCD monitor via HDMI. If I set the HDMI output to auto, it would stutter on my LG 60Hz LCD TV.

[micron15]

Was wondering if somebody can help me out here....
I currently have a 1tb 3.5"external hdd hooked up to the WDTV. My storage needs has increased. How do I go about having about 2-4tb storage? I need the setup to connect via USB to WDTV box and appear as 1 drive to the WDTV (not multiple drive letters). Do i have to get RAID enclosures and drop some hdd in them? or get one of those docking station that accepts dual hdd?

TIA!

[bbbrk]

ncix has this today at $104.99. For those living in Vancouver, you can pickup to save on shipping.

[slomo]

Also there is one other annoyance: when powering up, it takes about 2-3 minutes to probe the attached enclosure.

I found no problem if I bypass the 'search all videos' or 'all photos' and instead just scroll to the folder where the media is located in the USB attached device.

The minor annoyance that I found is that the saved settings disappear if the media player is unplugged from the power source, that is, it does not have any flash memory to save my config.

[slomo]

I currently have a 1tb 3.5"external hdd hooked up to the WDTV. My storage needs has increased. How do I go about having about 2-4tb storage? I need the setup to connect via USB to WDTV box and appear as 1 drive to the WDTV (not multiple drive letters). Do i have to get RAID enclosures and drop some hdd in them? or get one of those docking station that accepts dual hdd?

The simplest I can think of is using shared drive off a Windows PC. Not sure if it can work with other O/S.

[crimsona]

ncix has this today at $104.99. For those living in Vancouver, you can pickup to save on shipping.

Just ordered one for ISPU, thanks for heads up. Not going to bother with PM'ing due to work and in case stock runs out before I get off

[Emporium]

Was wondering if somebody can help me out here....
I currently have a 1tb 3.5"external hdd hooked up to the WDTV. My storage needs has increased. How do I go about having about 2-4tb storage? I need the setup to connect via USB to WDTV box and appear as 1 drive to the WDTV (not multiple drive letters). Do i have to get RAID enclosures and drop some hdd in them? or get one of those docking station that accepts dual hdd?

TIA!


Many external drives nowadays come in 2TB capacity..
For 4TB however, you will probably need a smart exclosure of some sort, which will do either raid or JBOD... Drobo and Vantec NexStar NX come to mind, but there are surely many others.. I am not aware of any docking station with any smarts to do raid or jbod, but this does not mean it doesn't exist ;)

[Emporium]

The simplest I can think of is using shared drive off a Windows PC. Not sure if it can work with other O/S.

I was going to say a small NAS (like a Dlink DNS323 or even a DNS321), but then I noticed that he mentioned WDTV, not Live.. so no ethernet port from what I gather.. :)

[Emporium]

Well tried to PM at first stooples near my office on the way home from work, and the manager wanted to verify it himself online, and surprisingly ALL internet sites worked, except for canadacomputers.com :?: Ya right.. I tried it, but I think they were blocking it on thier router.. I was too lazy to modify his browser and use a public proxy to get around it...

Anyhow, went to another stooples which is 2 minutes from home, and they looked at the printout from CC, and PM'd it, no questions asked. Didn't even go online to verify, and no questions about shipping or anything (even though it is free shipping). Manager came over, punched in his authorization code, asked if he could keep the printout, and all was good. I could have even given him the printout from NCIX which has it at $104.99 today and he would have probably given it to me, but I figured, whatever... It was so easy and no hassle, that for the extra $5-$6 it wasn't worth it. It was already a nice price.

$169.99 - $66 (110% of diff) = $103.99 + GST + PST, came out to $117.38 total, tax in.. No complaints...

Thnx again..

[Hugh]

The ugly:
This unit wants to do frame rate conversion (which is fine by me) but it is doing it wrong! If you set this unit's output to HDMI-AUTO and play a 1080 clip with 24 FPS, it will pause for every 8 sec or so. To remedy this, manually set the output to whatever frame rate your clip is (e.g. if your clip is 24 FPS, set output to HDMI-1080p24). This is probably the biggest flaw in this unit. WD should just output whatever frame rate (i.e. as is) and let the TV do the frame conversion.

Very interesting. I'm trying to play back recordings I've made with MythTV. The best I get is playing back 8 seconds and then freezing (sound stops, picture becomes static, never continues, home button gets to menu so box hasn't crashed).

I'm using component out, 1980i 60Hz (auto isn't a choice with component). Just for fun, I tried 480p 60Hz with the same result. The recorded program is actually standard def MPEG2 encoded by the analogue tuner of a Hauppauge HVR-1600.

I was hoping that your problem (and solution) was related to mine.

Makes me want to try the Patriot box that CC has on sale this weekend.

[bluetroll]

picked one up at canada computers today... works great. thanks.

[Agent95]

Isn't it cheaper to get it from Amazon UK ?

[J-Wo]

Isn't it cheaper to get it from Amazon UK ?

No. Plus it won't ship to Canada from UK

[Moebiwankenobi]

Memory Express has this for $99.99 this weekend. http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/PID-MX25664%28ME%29.aspx?cc=1

Free shipping in Canada too.

[Civuck]

The WDTV Live is now $99 at Dell.ca (http://accessories.dell.com/sna/products/Accessories/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&sku=A3145091&dgc=AF&cid=3881&lid=77903&acd=CAqD7bLWUPI-iKcEsjpGBEKiWG7Qu.pxKA)

[ceeatch]

So I filled in the form at Stooples to PM Dell.ca and they denied it claiming that it is a DOORCRASHER sale? What? Are they f'ing kidding me?

edit: So apparently they were just lazy. They got a request to PM NCIX tonight and thought I was asking to PM the same store so they copy/pasted the reply to me. What laziness! Anyway, it still got denied because it's not the same manufacture number. Apparently the Dell version is "Network-ready" while the Staples one isn't.

[Books]

Does anyone have this running successfully with two DD-WRT routers setup in a wireless bridge configuration?

I've been seeking the internet high and low in search of an answer. I haven't done any actual troubleshooting yet (I will this weekend), but the general consensus is that: with this setup, you cannot playback any video. It's very wonky. Anyways, just wondering if anybody has a solution before I start investigating.

[prettyha8]

Does anyone have this running successfully with two DD-WRT routers setup in a wireless bridge configuration?


I have 2 routers running Tomato Firmware setup in a WDS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Distribution_System) system.

My WDTV-Live is connected directly to the slave router, and can stream hi-def MKV videos just great over the wireless gap. (All my computers are connected to the primary router. The 2nd slave router is in my TV/stereo cabinet on another floor of the house.)

[Civuck]

I have 2 routers running Tomato Firmware setup in a WDS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Distribution_System) system.

My WDTV-Live is connected directly to the slave router, and can stream hi-def MKV videos just great over the wireless gap. (All my computers are connected to the primary router. The 2nd slave router is in my TV/stereo cabinet on another floor of the house.)720p or 1080p?

[TurboTronix]

I am thinking on getting the WDTV2 so I was wondering if you stream content from icefilms.info on this unit? Does it have DTS-HD and TruHD capabilities?

[BobSaget]

Some external hard drives go into standby mode to reduce power consumption. Are these perfectly compatible with the TV Live?

[Civuck]

New official firmware just released:

Release 1.03.49 (11/16/10)

* Added DVD navigation support.
* Added Mediafly application.
* Resolved MP4 poor frame-rate and audio out of sync issue.
* Resolved HDMI auto resolution selection issue.
* Resolved playback issues related to mkvmerge.
* Other bug fixes and product updates (see release notes).

Link (http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/updates/?family=wdfwdtv_live).

[belowzeros]

Woot about time. Love this little monster.

[belowzeros]

Seems to work great...media fly finally? Awesome.

[scoop]

Seems to work great...media fly finally? Awesome.

Im out of the loop - havent even heard of media fly. Is it a good program? What do you specifically use it for?

[83trekker]

Can this play back mp4 1080P 60? Thats what my sanyo hd ccamcorder puts out and would be awsome if it could play this.
Thanks

[TorontoEh]

hi all, I was thinking of buying this but was wondering what will I need to have it wireless connected to my home network? I assume when it's wirelessly connected, it can access youtube videos and other content on the web?

[belowzeros]

Im out of the loop - havent even heard of media fly. Is it a good program? What do you specifically use it for?


my phone butchered the url last night, http://www.mediafly.com/Welcome

it's basically internet content but they have some really good ones on WD like the Twit network, G4, Cnet. They need Revision3 but I think boxee might have that locked up dunno.


and the DVD menu support is glorious. finally :D

[macaximx]

New official firmware just released:

Release 1.03.49 (11/16/10)

* Added DVD navigation support.
* Added Mediafly application.
* Resolved MP4 poor frame-rate and audio out of sync issue.
* Resolved HDMI auto resolution selection issue.
* Resolved playback issues related to mkvmerge.
* Other bug fixes and product updates (see release notes).

Link (http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/updates/?family=wdfwdtv_live).

Thanks for the post. I gave up waiting for this.

[Civuck]

Once you've updated to the new firmware, if you go into the Internet Services option from the main menu, you can use the MCODE "mediaflyhd" to unlock all sorts of additional content eg. Diggnation, etc.

[83trekker]

Can this play back mp4 1080P 60? Thats what my sanyo hd ccamcorder puts out and would be awsome if it could play this.
Thanks

Anybody try this at all with the new firmware?

[Phils]

I tried playing a Mediafly video this morning. The quality was great but my WDTV Live froze on me halfway through the 3 minute video. I had to unplug it and then plug it back in.

[teoconca]

Anybody try this at all with the new firmware?

I updated the new firmware 1.03.49 from 1.03.35. It is so far so good as I don't see any difference yet. I wonder the update has any real impact or improvement for me.

[Civuck]

WDTV Live is now $89 at Amazon.ca. Link here (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B002KKFP9Y/ref=s9_simh_gw_p23_d7_i1?pf_rd_m=A3DWYIK6Y9EEQB&pf_rd_s=center-3&pf_rd_r=03SMNX2K0BA8AGCC7V6N&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=463383531&pf_rd_i=915398).

[Civuck]

Another firmware update is out for the WDTV Live - version 1.04.17

Click here (http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/updates/?family=wdfwdtv_live) for details.

[bungaboy]

Another firmware update is out for the WDTV Live - version 1.04.17

Click here (http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/updates/?family=wdfwdtv_live) for details.

Thanks very much for the heads up.

Happy New Year!

[belowzeros]

nice to get these updates. the internet media stuff seems a little better.

one bug that cropped up for me 2-3 updates ago was my network shares don't work so well now. i'm having to "wake up" the NAS(es) by going into the Media Server tab and browsing before I can use Network Browsing.

[bungaboy]

Just hooked up the Microsoft ARC keyboard to the WDTV Live. It works great and a lot less hassle than using the remote control.

FS had them on sale for $39.99 before Christmas. Amazon has them too.

Well worth the $40 I think.

[83trekker]

Can you use a mouse with this too?

[Civuck]

Can you use a mouse with this too?Mouse, no but a keyboard yes.

[Civuck]

Has anyone tried this WDTV Live remote control app (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/wd-tv-live-remote/id377667642?mt=8&ign-mpt=uo%3D4) for the iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch?

[Civuck]

Another iPhone/iPod Touch app here (http://www.zappo.tv/) for remote control of WDTV devices.

This one is better than the last one and it's FREE!

[pshch]

88.99 at Costco in Okotoks. Not many left. Other Costco locations seems already switched to PLUS for 11$ more.

[Civuck]

Big new official firmware (v1.04.22) just came out for WDTV Live -

• Supports Tune-In radio application.
• Supports 7.1 channel audio passthrough.
• Supports Auto-framerate (Audio Video settings/video output/HDMI/auto/auto/Match video framerate)
• Corrected various general menu and options wording issues.
• Corrected various Facebook user interface wording and functionality problems.
• Corrected various Live365 user interface wording and functionality problems.
• Corrected various Pandora user interface wording and functionality problems.
• Corrected various Mediafly user interface wording and functionality problems.
• Resolved problem with some HD files from Mediafly becoming out of sync.
• Resolved digital audio passthrough problem playing on both HDMI and optical at the same time.
• Resolved problem with Auto-play feature not automatically playing content.
• Resolved problem with Belkin F7D2101 v1WiFi adapter not connecting to network.
• Resolved “Clear login info” from Network Share not clearing the login info.
• Resolved problem where filenames that begin with the same name as a folder will not show up.
• Resolved problem where HDMI resolution could not be forced if not supported by the EDID.
• Resolved meta-data problem where “/” character in the title makes the system reboot.
• Resolved problem of no video playback after using Netflix.
• Resolved problem with ISO playback not working – except through preview mode.
• Resolved video playback problem where the info bar does not hide on pause/resume or chapter skip.
• Resolved problem where empty folder are hidden when copying or moving.
• Resolved USB keyboard problem where the arrow keys don’t work in wireless network settings page.
• Resolved problem where a folder icon was displayed over the top of the thumbnail.
• Resolved problem where DVI output was not working for a particular DVI monitor.
• Resolved problem of DTS and AC-3 not working with passthrough.
• Resolved problem where videos can not start until after 10-90 seconds after start-up.
• Resolved problem where user could not copy a file/folder to the root directory of the drive.
• Resolved problem where an incorrect error message was displayed if invalid username/password entered.
• Resolved problem where system reset fails to erase user info.
• Resolved video playback where audio takes 5 seconds to catch up after fast-forward or re-wind
• Resolved problem where the system would reboot when special characters are entered into device name.
• Resolved a file management problem where deleting a file on a network share caused the device to reboot.
• Resolved problem where high sample rate audio was being downsampled to 48KHz.
• Removed Blu-ray DVD message “Unable to play this video menu.”

Official link here (http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?wdc_lang=en&fid=wdsfWDTV_Live).

[belowzeros]

crazy big patch that came down last night. so glad they are still supporting this and so vigorously.


i have two bugs I might email them about just to send in my feedback

-i seem to have a problem sometimes getting to my network shares on a NAS. it just sits at connecting indefinitely. if i back out and try again a few times it eventually loads up like you'd expect

-other bug is with some avi files that used to be wmvs, they freeze at loadup slightly. i think they partially addressed that because it's nowhere near as long a freeze anymore. could also be the conversion process did it to the files i dunno

[Civuck]

So here's something interesting...

Just updated to the new firmware and checked out the new Tune-In Radio app. Somehow the app determined my geographic location as being in the GTA and presented a list of local radio stations. But more interestingly, the Toronto Fire and Toronto Police radio frequencies were included in the list. And sure enough, you can listen in on calls.

Cool!

[83trekker]

So here's something interesting...

Just updated to the new firmware and checked out the new Tune-In Radio app. Somehow the app determined my geographic location as being in the GTA and presented a list of local radio stations. But more interestingly, the Toronto Fire and Toronto Police radio frequencies were included in the list. And sure enough, you can listen in on calls.

Cool!

I am new to mine, how do you use radio apps? Or any apps i guess i need to get mine hooked up to the net first.

[thenetstud]

I was at Costco yesterday and noticed they had the WDTV Live on display and it had a note on the display tag saying Netflix will work on the WDTV in Canada by the end of March. I didn't get a picture. Anyone else see this?

[crimsona]

It's been a while, but I'm sure Netflix US only worked on the Live PLUS due to the lack of a DRM chip in the original Live. From what I understand, the unit being sold at Costco now is the Live PLUS as well.

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/homeentertainment/mediaplayers/

[belowzeros]

that's right only plus will do it

but canada was locked out iirc via the wdtv live plus, this would be a new development if it works here

[Civuck]

Another new firmware for the WDTV Live just released - v1.04.31

See here (http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/updates/?family=wdfwdtv_live).