[Merged] WDTV Live network media player - $99.99 at Dell.ca

[Civuck]

The network-enabled successor to the popular WDTV media player with more horsepower and features.
http://www.wdc.com/global/images/products/img2/300/wdfWDTV_Live.jpg

Available now at Amazon.ca for $89.99 (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B002KKFP9Y/ref=s9_simh_gw_p23_d7_i1?pf_rd_m=A3DWYIK6Y9EEQB&pf_rd_s=center-3&pf_rd_r=03SMNX2K0BA8AGCC7V6N&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=463383531&pf_rd_i=915398)

Pricematch at Best Buy (listed at $119.95 (http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10131807&catid=26259))

Official product information page here (http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=735).

UPDATE: New official micro-site here (http://www.wdtvlive.com/products/wdtv_live#highlights).

Promotional video here (http://www.wdtvlive.com/tutorials/view/9/WD_TV_Live_Overview).

Discussion thread at AVS Forum here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1172446).

[rui]

Any change to get free shipping?

[shawn99]

WiFi ready- Supports wireless network connection with optional USB wireless adapter.

I would have liked it if they incorporated wireless into the device. Not interested in purchasing a separate wireless USB adapter.

[Civuck]

I would have liked it if they incorporated wireless into the device. Not interested in purchasing a separate wireless USB adapter.Wireless would have been nice but would certainly have bumped the price up.

Personally I prefer the BYOW ("bring your own wireless") strategy as I plan to use a wired connection for more reliability and I already have several wireless adapters lying around anyway. I'll probably give one to a friend or a family member if they need it for their own WDTV Live.

And FYI for those interested - a USB wireless-n adapter for the WDTV Live can be had for about $25 (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833180053).

C.

[celispin]

This Product is Not Available :D

[Badder]

Wireless would have been nice but would certainly have bumped the price up.

Personally I prefer the BYOW ("bring your own wireless") strategy as I plan to use a wired connection for more reliability and I already have several wireless adapters lying around anyway. I'll probably give one to a friend or a family member if they need it for their own WDTV Live.

And FYI for those interested - a USB wireless-n adapter for the WDTV Live can be had for about $25 (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833180053).

C.

Agreed. Why should I pay more for wireless if I will only be using a wired connection. Besides, wireless is useless for 1080p anyway.

[cross2010]

Thanks, OP! Great deal. I picked one up to replaced my current WDTV.

[Civuck]

Here's a list of USB wireless adapters (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=17340535&postcount=514) that have been confirmed to be working with the WDTV Live. They are all Ralink chipset based which is probably the most common for USB adapters.

[buyways]

Agreed. Why should I pay more for wireless if I will only be using a wired connection. Besides, wireless is useless for 1080p anyway.

I've heard you can stream 1080p over wireless N - true?

edit: never mind - it looks from AVSforum that N is still not wholly reliable for HD streaming; looks like some people have success with 720p but that the consensus is that 1080p esp. requires a wired connection to be lag-free:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/gtsearch.php?cx=partner-pub-7727267082087455%3Antr50g-icin&cof=FORID%3A10&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=wireless+n+1080p&sa=Search#1264

[Civuck]

The original WDTV was priced around $150 when it came out in Canada in Fall of last year. So this $129 price is quite good when comparing the old one versus the new one.

[Jon Lai]

I've heard you can stream 1080p over wireless N - true?

edit: never mind - it looks from AVSforum that N is still not wholly reliable for HD streaming; looks like some people have success with 720p but that the consensus is that 1080p esp. requires a wired connection to be lag-free:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/gtsearch.php?cx=partner-pub-7727267082087455%3Antr50g-icin&cof=FORID%3A10&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=wireless+n+1080p&sa=Search#1264

Even if it was possible the USB would bottleneck it.

Anyways. DAMN YOU NCIX. With the two devices just $30 apart it's hard to decide. I really want RMVB support though. I really hope the O!play can up their PQ to match the Live!, then I'll be sold.

[_He-Man_]

Hi guys,
would you take this over the O player ? They both have network built in after all..

[zoolander]

I need to ban myself from RFD.
Going to wait for the new sale tomorrow to see what else is on and maybe add this to the cart.
If my math is correct, it's like paying $120+13% at a local bigbox, if available.
Thanks OP

I forget, enviro fee on these players?

[Viz79]

Listed for $129.99 at NCIX.ca until October 20th (http://ncix.com/products/?sku=42231&vpn=WDBAAN0000NBK-NESN&manufacture=Western%20Digital%20WD) (currently listed at Amazon.ca for $189 (http://www.amazon.ca/Western-Digital-Live-Media-Player/dp/B002KKFP9Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1255454210&sr=8-1), Canada Computers for $149 (http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=025525&cid=VID.978))



Price is $149.99CAD for me. Is it because "this product is not available" that I'm getting the higher price?

~V79~

[Menace]

If you are going to play HD files, don't bother with wireless. Lots people have performance problem with it.


I would have liked it if they incorporated wireless into the device. Not interested in purchasing a separate wireless USB adapter.

[sungfra]

Options to do wireless is nice but the most important thing to me is RMVB which is still missing from the new WD box.

[Menace]

Hit refresh button a few times. It is probably the DNS problem with your ISP.


Price is $149.99CAD for me. Is it because "this product is not available" that I'm getting the higher price?

~V79~

[Civuck]

Price is $149.99CAD for me. Is it because "this product is not available" that I'm getting the higher price?

~V79~There is a brief page redraw after you click the NCIX link that adds in the $20 discount. This is what you should see:


http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1156/wdtvlivencix.jpg

[belowzeros]

wow how sexy is that thing. glad i waited

[Menace]

That is my case. I'm not ready for it yet.

WD did fix the power off USB hd on WDTV Live problem. Someone did mention (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=17336521&postcount=398) WD will support DVD ISO menu/chapters on WDTV/WDTV Live in their upcoming firmware.

I do like WDTV/WDTV Live Menu and its support community. 512mb ROM/RAM is enough rooms for the 3rd party firmware.

PS. RMVB won't be available on its chipset, unless WD did modify it.


Options to do wireless is nice but the most important thing to me is RMVB which is still missing from the new WD box.

[Rocky03]

Options to do wireless is nice but the most important thing to me is RMVB which is still missing from the new WD box.

Get the other box by Asus than. Discussed in length in another thread.

[stevelam]

anyone know if there are any ongoing hacks for this device? specifically things like xbmc/plex installed on this thing?

[Super strokey]

Is this better than the asus thing? I ask as iys 30 bucks cheaper and seems to have all the same features.

[Civuck]

anyone know if there are any ongoing hacks for this device? specifically things like xbmc/plex installed on this thing?As it is literally "days old"... I doubt there is any hacking of it as of yet. However, given the extent the old WDTV was hacked (http://b-rad.cc/wdlxtv-app-packs), I'm sure there are many things to come.

[aos007]

Thanks, ordered. It wasn't up yesterday, I checked!

As I have the original WD and the O!Play I was thinking of passing it up but 512MB ram/rom and the newer sigma chip are hard to resist.

[RedFlagRobot]

Is this better than the asus thing? I ask as iys 30 bucks cheaper and seems to have all the same features.

A lot of reviews suggest better picture quality than the Asus. The Asus does RMVB which some people want.

[Civuck]

Is this better than the asus thing? I ask as iys 30 bucks cheaper and seems to have all the same features.I think the general consensus will be yes, the WDTV Live is better than the ASUS O!Play to many.

[JohnB]

Is this better than the asus thing? I ask as iys 30 bucks cheaper and seems to have all the same features.

+1

I need to get one of these things soon, but am kind of a noob and dont want to spend hours/days researching.

This thing
The older version?
The ASUS one

What would be the best buy? I just would like to watch bootleg torrent videos and some animes on my TV...

[Jon Lai]

I think the general consensus will be yes, the WDTV Live is better than the ASUS O!Play to many.

What a biased statement. RedFlagRobot's is more along the lines of this.

[RedFlagRobot]

+1

I need to get one of these things soon, but am kind of a noob and dont want to spend hours/days researching.

This thing
The older version?
The ASUS one

What would be the best buy? I just would like to watch bootleg torrent videos and some animes on my TV...

If you don't care about networking or downmixing DTS then buy an old WDTV once everyone starts selling theirs to buy these new ones.

[Civuck]

512MB ram/rom and the newer sigma chip are hard to resist.For the tech-heads out there, here's some more info (http://www.sigmadesigns.com/Products/SMP8650/pdf_files/SMP8650_br.pdf) on the new Sigma Designs chip used in the WDTV Live. It's the SMP-8655 chip clocked at 500mhz.

For comparison, the original WDTV uses the SMP-8635 chip clocked at 300mhz.

And the ASUS O!Play uses a Realtek 1073 chip clocked at 400mhz. More info here (http://www.realtek.com.tw/products/productsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=9&PFid=26&Level=3&Conn=2&ProdID=238).

SOURCE (http://www.iboum.com/artkill/tablesort.php)

[Nokialuna]

will best buy price match ncix?

this is assuming best buy will have the wdtv live in stock of course

[hyperactiveme]

can I add and delete movies on an external hard drive that is connected to the wdtv live without actually connecting the harddrive to my laptop?

[bluestreetlight]

Did WD fix the warming issue in standby mode for this new model?

[tache14]

Can this firmware be installed WDTV on the original ?

[RLP06]

Wireless would have been nice but would certainly have bumped the price up.

Personally I prefer the BYOW ("bring your own wireless") strategy as I plan to use a wired connection for more reliability and I already have several wireless adapters lying around anyway. I'll probably give one to a friend or a family member if they need it for their own WDTV Live.

And FYI for those interested - a USB wireless-n adapter for the WDTV Live can be had for about $25 (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833180053).

C.

A refurb ATV dooes this for you.

[TheGamer2400]

Is there a way to change the user interface for the original WDTV device? It would be nice to make it look something like MediaPortal. Thanks.

[atLANtic]

Deal is dead . Shows 149.99 and the wdtv is not available

[Menace]

Damn you RFD! I couldn't resist this deal as an owner of the old WDTV and Asus O!Play. I have feeling the firmware will be hackable with 512mb ROM/RAM.

[Eldorado]

Deal is dead . Shows 149.99 and the wdtv is not available

Not dead.. still showing $129 and available

[peter0206]

Thanks for the sharing. Just one question, if I want to use this thing to watch the online video or even youtube online. Is that possible? or is that possible on ASUS O!PLAY since I do not download video too much now. Just watch them online. :razz:

[RedFlagRobot]

Thanks for the sharing. Just one question, if I want to use this thing to watch the online video or even youtube online. Is that possible? or is that possible on ASUS O!PLAY since I do not download video too much now. Just watch them online. :razz:

No web browsing (yet!), but it can access content from a limited number of sites including Youtube and Flickr.

[peter0206]

No web browsing (yet!), but it can access content from a limited number of sites including Youtube and Flickr.

Thanks a lot Sir. I got it, so maybe it is not the thing I am looking for, but it is still a very good product. :)

[Menace]

Asus O!Play can play Youtube's flv files. I downloaded them via Firefox DownloadHelper.


Thanks for the sharing. Just one question, if I want to use this thing to watch the online video or even youtube online. Is that possible? or is that possible on ASUS O!PLAY since I do not download video too much now. Just watch them online. :razz:

[atLANtic]

Not dead.. still showing $129 and available

Not for me , i've tried IE8 and Firefox

[sleepyguy]

You might be having the same issue as I was. I'm at work, US based IP... just click on the canadian logo (on ncix.com) and you'll see the discounted price. Weird, for once can$ price is cheaper :)

Hopefully still instock when I get home as I have my $10 gift card. -sg


Not for me , i've tried IE8 and Firefox

[Civuck]

Not dead for me either - still showing up as $129.

[esellerauction]

First gen for sale I;m getting this baby today

[atLANtic]

You might be having the same issue as I was. I'm at work, US based IP... just click on the canadian logo (on ncix.com) and you'll see the discounted price. Weird, for once can$ price is cheaper :)

Hopefully still instock when I get home as I have my $10 gift card. -sg

Thanks m8 , you just set me back 146.99 :)

[MooseTits]

Thanks OP, I had pre-ordered this through Amazon and managed to cancel the order and get one going with NCIX.

[Gaffer]

Deal is dead . Shows 149.99 and the wdtv is not available

F5

I am torn between the Asus and this one. Does WDTV Live have ISO playback?

If so, considering the picture quality on the Asus is not up to par I may just have to get this one.

A

[Menace]

It does play ISO without menu/chapter support. Someone did mention (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=17336521&postcount=398) WD will fix that in upcoming firmware. Nobody from WD can confirm that.

I can't tell any PQ difference between old WDTV and Asus O!Play. Only reason I jump on this deal because WDTV Live has the new chipset with 512mb RAM/ROM. Asus O!Play has 128mb.


F5

I am torn between the Asus and this one. Does WDTV Live have ISO playback?

If so, considering the picture quality on the Asus is not up to par I may just have to get this one.

A

[g man]

F5

I am torn between the Asus and this one. Does WDTV Live have ISO playback?

If so, considering the picture quality on the Asus is not up to par I may just have to get this one.

A

Same question here, if PQ is better on this I want it hands down, will play everything i want, have no need to play RMVB files.

[lead]

F5

I am torn between the Asus and this one. Does WDTV Live have ISO playback?

If so, considering the picture quality on the Asus is not up to par I may just have to get this one.

A

no,no dvd iso menu.Perhaps with a firmware update. I ordered the o!play a week last friday and it took a week to process the order. If you want it fast don't use a gift card. They like to punish people for using them.
O!play has 256 rom, 128 ram. The wdtv uses 512 for both. But they sure loaded up on the wifi drivers.

[doylie]

A lot of reviews suggest better picture quality than the Asus. The Asus does RMVB which some people want.

PQ is very subjective. I found the Asus and the WD to be equal in PQ. the Asus also has eSATA which helped sway my decision. It may not be important to everyone.

I am sure most people will be happy with whichever one ( WDTV live or Oplay) that they purchase..

[carldufourm]

Wasnt there a 3$ shipping code for NCIX or something?
I think I'll order it right now cuz that is a pretty hot price and I can't wait to start streaming videos from my computer!

[yu130960]

PQ is very subjective. I found the Asus and the WD to be equal in PQ. the Asus also has eSATA which helped sway my decision. It may not be important to everyone.

I am sure most people will be happy with whichever one ( WDTV live or Oplay) that they purchase..

I was also concerned about what I read on the picture quality...

[pmcd]

I think the general consensus will be yes, the WDTV Live is better than the ASUS O!Play to many.

That is not clear at all. I have an O!Play and also am awaiting the WDTV Live. Couldn't resist...have to stop reading here. Anyway...

O!Play: esata, Realtek, great streaming, less expensive, volume control, idx+sub, hdmi but no component

WD Live: usb, sigma, no volume control (so it appears), no idx+sub (so it appears), more ram/rom (that is important), hmi and component

They both play the same stuff (except that the O!Play has support for more things), are silent and are sold by brand name companies.

They both sound great. I love the O!Play and I suspect the WDTV Live will be just as much fun.

Cons: Neither has support for metadata ( description of files) to the extent that XBMC does.

pmcd

[darren22]

Neither has support for metadata ( description of files) to the extent that XBMC does.

But the WDTV does have some support, right? In music, for example, you can browse by artist, genre, things like that, as opposed to only finding files by browsing folders? My understanding is that the WDTV has this, but O!Play doesn't, and it's one of the main reasons I'm leaning towards WDTV.

[lead]

But the WDTV does have some support, right? In music, for example, you can browse by artist, genre, things like that, as opposed to only finding files by browsing folders? My understanding is that the WDTV has this, but O!Play doesn't, and it's one of the main reasons I'm leaning towards WDTV.

niether do, that requires a firmware mod. wdtv has thumbnail views on its stock firmware.

what you want is xmbc.

[Menace]

+1

I love my O!Play too. I'm going to put WDTV Live on my 42" Samsung LCD TV with wired connection. O!Play is now connected to the wireless bridge for my 32" Samsung LCD TV in the bedroom.

I have no brand loyalty (no fanboy please) and I love variety :D :D



They both sound great. I love the O!Play and I suspect the WDTV Live will be just as much fun.

[darren22]

niether do, that requires a firmware mod. wdtv has thumbnail views on its stock firmware.

Really? This is from the WDTV Live description:

# Media library – This unique feature lets you view all your media by media type in one menu regardless of its location in folders or drives. You can view your content by categories such as genre, album, artist and date.


what you want is xmbc.

XBMC won't run on these little devices though, will it? Wouldn't you need a full-on HTPC of some sort to use XBMC with 1080p content?

[lead]

+1

I love my O!Play too. I'm going to put WDTV Live on my 42" Samsung LCD TV with wired connection. O!Play is now connected to the wireless bridge for my 32" Samsung LCD TV in the bedroom.

I have no brand loyalty (no fanboy please) and I love variety :D :D

niether in fact I have been looking at the ac ryan and the icy box as well. They seem to use the same chipset as the o!play. The ac ryan can house a hard drive. Without hard drive it goes for about 169 usd.Has hdmi component etc the works.
http://www.gizmodaddy.com/storefront/products.php?product=A.C.-Ryan-PlayOn!HD-Media-Player

[Whygee]

Has anyone tried MKV streaming on the Samsung BD-P1600?

I was wondering if it would be better buy since it's not much more expensive and it can also play blu-ray discs...

[Yohin05]

looks like CC has it at $129.99 now as well, plus only $6.99 flat rate shipping

based on the note on the page, they'll have stock tomorrow

makes sense, with the WD TV now going at $109.99

[barf]

Currently have an order in for an O!Play with NCIX but ETA is not until Oct 29. Does anyone know if I can cancel my order without paying the stupid restocking charge since I haven't taken delivery. Think I'll go with the WDTV Live since it has more on-board memory. Already have the WDTV networked but the lack of DTS downmix kills me.

[Civuck]

New official product page for WDTV Live just went... live.

See here (http://www.wdtvlive.com/products/wdtv_live#highlights).

Includes a comparison grid of the whole WDTV family.

[lexar123]

Currently have an order in for an O!Play with NCIX but ETA is not until Oct 29. Does anyone know if I can cancel my order without paying the stupid restocking charge since I haven't taken delivery. Think I'll go with the WDTV Live since it has more on-board memory. Already have the WDTV networked but the lack of DTS downmix kills me.

How can you tell what the ETA is? I have the same problem but it does not saw anywhere the ETA for shipping.

[addicted2it]

Any change to get free shipping?

Free shipping would make me jump on this deal in a heartbeat:cheesygri:D

[Civuck]

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1854/wdtvlivesharing.jpg

One feature of note which may be overlooked is that the WDTV Live can share any USB drive plugged into it over your network. So basically it can act as a NAS head-end for any USB drive attached to it.

In other words, it can go both ways: the WDTV Live can see all your network shared folders, and your home PCs can see whatever drives you've connected to the WDTV Live.

And for those interested, the manual is here (http://www.wdc.com/WDProducts/Library/UM/ENG/4779-705035.pdf).

[barf]

Says ETA: 10/29/2009 in the yellow box

http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=43886&vpn=90-YTM60210-UAL0MZ&manufacture=ASUS

[jumperson22]

can I add and delete movies on an external hard drive that is connected to the wdtv live without actually connecting the harddrive to my laptop?

Also wondering the same thing. I have a hard-wired connection in my house and a NAS, but might want to hook up a spare external HD that requires a power connection, so I don't want to have to unplug the thing every time.

[S150PM]

Currently have an order in for an O!Play with NCIX but ETA is not until Oct 29. Does anyone know if I can cancel my order without paying the stupid restocking charge since I haven't taken delivery. Think I'll go with the WDTV Live since it has more on-board memory. Already have the WDTV networked but the lack of DTS downmix kills me.

If your order haven't ship yet then I think you still can cancel your order.

Try to login to your ncix account.

Right below of "Your Order" there is an URL "Edit Your Order"...

If you see your order in the "Edith Your Order" page, then you can cancel your order online, otherwise try to call ncix and ask them to cancel the order for you.

[Civuck]

Also wondering the same thing. I have a hard-wired connection in my house and a NAS, but might want to hook up a spare external HD that requires a power connection, so I don't want to have to unplug the thing every time.Yes, you can access drives plugged into your WDTV Live from your PC as mentioned a few posts back. It becomes a NAS essentially.

[Civuck]

According to the WDTV Live manual - in addition to searching, viewing and rating YouTube videos, you can also download YouTube videos.

No word yet on HD YouTube video compatibility... yet.

And another cool feature I just discovered in the manual is the ability to email yourself details of the currently playing Internet radio song when using the Live365 integration.

And the Pandora integration includes a QuickMix feature that mixes the playlists of multiple Internet radio stations of your choice.

The Flickr integration looks pretty interesting too.

[barf]

Anyone connect with D-Link DNS-323 NAS? Any issues?

[MooseTits]

Anyone connect with D-Link DNS-323 NAS? Any issues?

+1

I'd also like to know if .mkv streaming through a wired NAS works well.

[Pr0metheus]

Just bought this with a 1TB external HDD. Can't wait to get it.

Thanks OP! :)

[pmcd]

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1854/wdtvlivesharing.jpg

One feature of note which may be overlooked is that the WDTV Live can share any USB drive plugged into it over your network. So basically it can act as a NAS head-end for any USB drive attached to it.

In other words, it can go both ways: the WDTV Live can see all your network shared folders, and your home PCs can see whatever drives you've connected to the WDTV Live.

And for those interested, the manual is here (http://www.wdc.com/WDProducts/Library/UM/ENG/4779-705035.pdf).


This is a big deal. I love my O!Play, but I also ordered the WD Live to arrive tomorrow. The O!Play does not have samba serving so this info is great for the WDTV Live. So many players (Ultio, O!Play. WDTV Live, Apple TV) and an HTPC and not enough TV's :)

pmcd

[redbulldrinker]

Canada Computers just dropped the price to $129.99 on their website in the past hour

[Fate]

...
One feature of note which may be overlooked is that the WDTV Live can share any USB drive plugged into it over your network. So basically it can act as a NAS head-end for any USB drive attached to it.

In other words, it can go both ways: the WDTV Live can see all your network shared folders, and your home PCs can see whatever drives you've connected to the WDTV Live.

And for those interested, the manual is here (http://www.wdc.com/WDProducts/Library/UM/ENG/4779-705035.pdf).

This sold me. I currently have a dns 323 on the network and access it with my 360 mp (it's so slow), and am worried about filling it with movies etc. that I'm not too worried about keeping to the detriment of stuff I really want to keep. Letting me stick an external hd on the WDTV and access it with my laptop is awesome.

Ordered!

[LoDown]

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1854/wdtvlivesharing.jpg

One feature of note which may be overlooked is that the WDTV Live can share any USB drive plugged into it over your network. So basically it can act as a NAS head-end for any USB drive attached to it.

In other words, it can go both ways: the WDTV Live can see all your network shared folders, and your home PCs can see whatever drives you've connected to the WDTV Live.

And for those interested, the manual is here (http://www.wdc.com/WDProducts/Library/UM/ENG/4779-705035.pdf).

First person to get one of these, can you report back on file transfer speed from PC to USB drive attached to WDTV Live and vice-versa. We may find it is deathly slow.

[katana999]

Options to do wireless is nice but the most important thing to me is RMVB which is still missing from the new WD box.

Go get the Asus O!Play then. I am using it to play rmvb now.

[lexar123]

So what is the final verdict? If I don't need the RM support should I go with the O!Play or the WDTV Live?

Who do you think will have more hacks and customizations?

I would also love to be able to use them with SageTV or GBPVR has anyone tried or heard anyone do that?

[carldufourm]

Is there a coupon code to get cheap/free shipping from NCIX? I'll order it anyways, but I might as well save a few bucks if I can hehe.

Thanks!

[rinottawa]

First person to get one of these, can you report back on file transfer speed from PC to USB drive attached to WDTV Live and vice-versa. We may find it is deathly slow.

I also want to know if it can be used to watck hulu tv (http://www.hulu.com/)through vpn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_private_network) (vpn setup interface? or through vpn router (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nortel_VPN_Router)).

Play network and internet content.
Connect to Internet sites like YouTube, Flickr, Live365 or stream content from your home network. (http://www.wdtvlive.com/products/wdtv_live#highlights)

[Civuck]

I also want to know if it can be used to watck hulu tv (http://www.hulu.com/)through vpn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_private_network) (vpn setup interface? or through vpn router (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nortel_VPN_Router)).

Play network and internet content.
Connect to Internet sites like YouTube, Flickr, Live365 or stream content from your home network. (http://www.wdtvlive.com/products/wdtv_live#highlights)Not sure if this helps, but this person (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=17346810&postcount=769) claims to be watching Hulu with WDTV Live and PlayOn.

[Civuck]

First person to get one of these, can you report back on file transfer speed from PC to USB drive attached to WDTV Live and vice-versa. We may find it is deathly slow.This person (http://wdtvforum.com/main/index.php?topic=2335.msg18541#msg18541) is reporting "5.6 Mb/sec" which I'm assuming he means 5.6 MB/sec (megabytes not megabits).... hopefully. So roughly 45 megabits/second if that is the case.

UPDATE: This post (http://wdtvforum.com/main/index.php?topic=2321.msg18393#msg18393) claims network speeds of "9-10mb/s" - as well as some other interesting details like YouTube HD being supported as well as being able to watch a file while it is still being copied.

[belowzeros]

do mkvs have to be on the unit or can they be streamed across the network on it's samba protocol?

[lead]

This person (http://wdtvforum.com/main/index.php?topic=2335.msg18541#msg18541) is reporting "5.6 Mb/sec" which I'm assuming he means 5.6 MB/sec (megabytes not megabits).... hopefully. So roughly 45 megabits/second if that is the case.

UPDATE: This post (http://wdtvforum.com/main/index.php?topic=2321.msg18393#msg18393) claims network speeds of "9-10mb/s" - as well as some other interesting details like YouTube HD being supported as well as being able to watch a file while it is still being copied.

yeah i read those. Little bummed no nfs mostly samba just like o!play or for now anyway, there's a way to mount an nfs share in o!play it should work with this too. Hope the upnp isn't as broken as he describes. What does he mean by:
"WD won't allow you to use streaming audio, except from Live365, who they've obviously partnered with for a substantial amount of money Angry - nice move, jerks."
It won't let stream from any other streaming audio site? Its sh1t like this that leads to hacks in the first place.

[TheGame]

can you play dvds through an external usb dvd drive with this thing?

[ppl4golf]

Does the WDTV (I or II) play DVR-MS from Vista Media Center ??

[Civuck]

do mkvs have to be on the unit or can they be streamed across the network on it's samba protocol?They can be streamed.

[ks_tiwari]

can you play dvds through an external usb dvd drive with this thing?

I want to know also. How about external Blue ray, overexpectation ?

[Salomon123]

Someone in the beginning pages mentioned "DTS Down-mixing", so I presume WDTV has DTS Down-mixing? which would mean if MKV has 5.1 audio, then it goes to 2channel only or what? (me = n00b)

OR if you use the SPDIF Output to a receiver, you'll get full 5.1 DTS audio?

[Esca]

According to the WDTV Live manual - in addition to searching, viewing and rating YouTube videos, you can also download YouTube videos.

No word yet on HD YouTube video compatibility... yet.


This is a feature I'm really interested in. Have you tried watching Youtube videos from the internet (as opposed to .flv files)? Exactly how would you navigate Youtube to watch them? Very interested to know.

I just realized that the manual was posted. Looks like an onscreen keyboard is used.

[Viz79]

Hit refresh button a few times. It is probably the DNS problem with your ISP.

Thanks! Finally got it working!


There is a brief page redraw after you click the NCIX link that adds in the $20 discount.

Yeah, I see it now. Thanks.


looks like CC has it at $129.99 now as well, plus only $6.99 flat rate shipping

based on the note on the page, they'll have stock tomorrow

makes sense, with the WD TV now going at $109.99

AWESOME! I'd rather pick it up locally at CC than wait for the postal service.

~V79~

[Phantasm]

I ordered one from NCIX. Thanks OP!

[SurgeArrest]

Ordered, yesterday. Will be delivered today, since it is already at the Concord, ON UPS facility.

Very exciting evening for me because of this.

[Atom Bomb]

Someone in the beginning pages mentioned "DTS Down-mixing", so I presume WDTV has DTS Down-mixing? which would mean if MKV has 5.1 audio, then it goes to 2channel only or what? (me = n00b)

OR if you use the SPDIF Output to a receiver, you'll get full 5.1 DTS audio?

What it means is that if you are not running a home theatre system that can decode DTS, you can set it to internally decode the DTS for say your TV speakers (2ch). Really nice feature if you are moving it around and don't always have a surround (I got home theatre on 3/4 TV's only).

[VanillaPep]

But we Canadian people cannot play Hulu stuffs!@!

[DavidB]

Damn you RFD! I resisted one full day, but ordered one today.

Thanks OP. I guess...

[rahzel]

XpressCanada (http://xpresscanada.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=025525&cid=VID.978) has it for $125 if you want to save a few bucks; "Out of Stock - Usually ships 1-5 days" though.

So tempting... :|

[Civuck]

Ordered, yesterday. Will be delivered today, since it is already at the Concord, ON UPS facility.

Very exciting evening for me because of this.Make sure and follow-up with your impressions of it for the rest of us. Thx.

[Civuck]

Apparenty the Sigma chip inside the WDTV Live can support the Google Android OS (http://www.digitaltvnews.net/content/?p=10796). Not sure what that means for the hacking community, if anything.

[troso]

To those who have received their units, can someone comment on the speed of this player compared to the original wdtv. Is it noticeably faster when browsing through different folders, pictures or interface?

[Civuck]

To those who have received their units, can someone comment on the speed of this player compared to the original wdtv. Is it noticeably faster when browsing through different folders, pictures or interface?I don't have a unit yet but I've read many comments (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17348650&highlight=faster#post17348650) from new WDTV Live owners saying the overall interface is much quicker than the original WDTV. It's a considerably faster chip inside the new one.

[BRAISKI]

Did any of you get the ExpressRMA?

[SurgeArrest]

According to this post:
http://www.mpcclub.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164430&postcount=31
(and in general very good thread)
new WD TV Live HD boots in 4 seconds. I think it is great. My TV boots longer.

[mtlboy]

How's this play files via wireless? Like is it smooth if I play a movie? Like a bluray.

[Civuck]

According to this post:
http://www.mpcclub.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164430&postcount=31
(and in general very good thread)
new WD TV Live HD boots in 4 seconds. I think it is great. My TV boots longer.I suspect it's because the WDTV Live never actually powers down completely - it stays in a standby mode. A cold boot after just plugging in the power probably takes longer (see this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQdSLOhrVMc)).

[4 rubBeR]

Does the WDTV (I or II) play DVR-MS from Vista Media Center ??


The WDTV does play DVR-MS for sure; I have transfered a file over and played the video perfectly! Cannot comment on any copy protected file though if that is a factor...

I assume that WDTV Live will as well, perhaps someone can confirm?

BTW DVR-MS is due to be changed in Windows 7; it will be (is) called WTV (http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=WTV)

[halo five]

Might be time to flip my modded original xbox for this. With a USB wifi adapter I won't have to have an access point just for the xbox either. Nice!

Anyone have a quick rundown of what might be missing from this that xbmc has, other than cosmetics?

[rinottawa]

Options to do wireless is nice but the most important thing to me is RMVB which is still missing from the new WD box.

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=025180&cid=VID.978

H.264, MKV, WMV9, MOV, RM/RMVB, TS and HD Divx

Network Media Playback
Network media streaming from a shared, passwordprotected folder of a PC or NAS or a server over Ethernet (RJ45) connection or a wireless-N network (optional). Complete Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) support with embedded Samba Client. UPnP allows for seamless integration with services like PlayOn (stream video content from Netflix, Hulu, CBS, Youtube, CNN, ESPN and much more)

[Menace]

$189?

No Thanks. Asus O!Play is better.


http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=025180&cid=VID.978

H.264, MKV, WMV9, MOV, RM/RMVB, TS and HD Divx

[belowzeros]

hard not to pickup this thing the more i think about it. i use a modded xbox with xbmc which i love but mkvs and hd video are a pain. i don't think this new unit could be more perfect.

[Civuck]

Might be time to flip my modded original xbox for this. With a USB wifi adapter I won't have to have an access point just for the xbox either. Nice!

Anyone have a quick rundown of what might be missing from this that xbmc has, other than cosmetics?...probably loads of power consumption. Having said that, power consumption numbers for the WDTV Live are interestingly elusive.

[Civuck]

Options to do wireless is nice but the most important thing to me is RMVB which is still missing from the new WD box.Interestingly, the WDTV Mini (little brother to the WDTV Live) supports RMVB (http://www.wdc.com/en/products/index.asp?cat=30) but I don't think it ever became available in Canada.

[rinottawa]

$189?

No Thanks. Asus O!Play is better.

They are different. I think you got what you paid for.

[chinesedevil]

Interestingly, the WDTV Mini (little brother to the WDTV Live) supports RMVB (http://www.wdc.com/en/products/index.asp?cat=30) but I don't think it ever became available in Canada.

supports RMVB, but no HDMI is kinda fail. :|

[Menace]

Yes, it does offer more after I re-read the specs.


They are different. I think you got what you paid for.

[Civuck]

supports RMVB, but no HDMI is kinda fail. :|Offering RMVB support only on a lower model is kinda fail.:(

[goojoomoonoo]

What advantages does this have over using a PS3 to play media files?

[shinjijai]

What advantages does this have over using a PS3 to play media files?

not having a computer on to transcode the files is a major +

[inanimate]

What advantages does this have over using a PS3 to play media files?

no need to convert files with mkv2vob (and deal with the associated dts issues), subtitle support, harmony remote compatibility!

[originalnutta]

any advantages over a popcorn hour?

[mohitk]

any advantages over a popcorn hour?

Price?

[U4IA]

yeah i read those. Little bummed no nfs mostly samba just like o!play or for now anyway, there's a way to mount an nfs share in o!play it should work with this too. Hope the upnp isn't as broken as he describes.

Has anyone found then if you can stream 1080P with DTS over the network reliably?

I had to install NFS on my dns-323 and do the wired usb/network adapater hack on my current WDTV.

Using samba, some of the higher bitrate files would lag/stutter occasionally.

[darren22]

Ordered, thanks OP!

[originalnutta]

Price?

well theres one advantage.

the PCH is about $200+


http://www.popcornhour.com/onlinestore/index.php?pluginoption=catalog

[VanillaPep]

XpressCanada (http://xpresscanada.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=025525&cid=VID.978) has it for $125 if you want to save a few bucks; "Out of Stock - Usually ships 1-5 days" though.

So tempting... :|

How much final price?

[hao3388]

Is it giga bit ready?

[Civuck]

Is it giga bit ready?10/100Mb only.

[Civuck]

Canada Computers just dropped the price to $129.99 on their website in the past hourCanada Computers is showing stock in their North York and Pacific Mall stores.

[glendale]

I just picked up at pac mall at lunch. Total was $146.89 after tax. Was tempted to buy online last night...glad i waited...saved on shipping.

[canadiankorean]

I just picked up at pac mall at lunch. Total was $146.89 after tax. Was tempted to buy online last night...glad i waited...saved on shipping.

With shipping and no PST.. the NCIX came out to the same price.
Only issue is having to wait.

[cross2010]

With shipping and no PST.. the NCIX came out to the same price.
Only issue is having to wait.

Ordered yesterday . . . Received the item TODAY (shipped to Ontario)! SWEEET!!!! I'll play with it tonight.

[canadiankorean]

Ordered yesterday . . . Received the item TODAY (shipped to Ontario)! SWEEET!!!! I'll play with it tonight.

So lucky. When did you order? I think I ordered mine in the afternoon and it still hasn't shipped.

[BRAISKI]

Damn CC ran out :( but at least they have the same price. I can wait for CC to have some stock again.

[mohitk]

For the people upgrading from wdtv1, can you guys comment on the 720p upscaled picture quality? Apparently there's degradation as compared to the older version of the box.

[Tibbs]

I just picked up at pac mall at lunch. Total was $146.89 after tax. Was tempted to buy online last night...glad i waited...saved on shipping.

You did save on shipping but NCIX doesn't charge PST so it ends up about the same. The shipping was 7.xx or so and came out to $144.43. I chose 10.00 next day so it was 2.xx more than that but I got it at 10am this morning.

So I paid 146.xx or so and got it next day.

I'm extremely happy with it.

[Tibbs]

So lucky. When did you order? I think I ordered mine in the afternoon and it still hasn't shipped.

I ordered mine at 2:35pm EST yesterday and got it at 10:25 or so this morning.

[cross2010]

So lucky. When did you order? I think I ordered mine in the afternoon and it still hasn't shipped.

Order placed at 1:09 PM EDT on the 13th. Received today (Ottawa) around 11 AM.

[glendale]

Didn't realize their warehouse is outside of ontario.


You did save on shipping but NCIX doesn't charge PST so it ends up about the same. The shipping was 7.xx or so and came out to $144.43. I chose 10.00 next day so it was 2.xx more than that but I got it at 10am this morning.

So I paid 146.xx or so and got it next day.

I'm extremely happy with it.

[carldufourm]

Damn you guys are so lucky to have received yours already!
I ordered mine last night (about 10pm) and took express shipping, I'll probably get it tomorow.

[Menace]

Yes, I read a lot of BS about the worse PQ than WDTV. Well, I will find out soon.


For the people upgrading from wdtv1, can you guys comment on the 720p upscaled picture quality? Apparently there's degradation as compared to the older version of the box.

[mohitk]

Yes, I read a lot of BS about the worse PQ than WDTV. Well, I will find out soon.

Between this and the O!play its becoming a devil and the deep sea kind of a choice if both suffer from same shortcomings (network and PQ issues). The saving grace for this is that it has a better processor and more memory so hopefully some improvement would be forthcoming. Am still on the fence - don't want to deal with CC as far as returns go.

[jayehs]

I just picked up at pac mall at lunch. Total was $146.89 after tax. Was tempted to buy online last night...glad i waited...saved on shipping.

The total was $146.99 including 1 day delivery with no PST. I ordered it yesterday at 3pm and it's already delivered and waiting for me at the concierge :)

[Eldorado]

Interestingly, the WDTV Mini (little brother to the WDTV Live) supports RMVB (http://www.wdc.com/en/products/index.asp?cat=30) but I don't think it ever became available in Canada.

That's kind of stupid.. why would they not make the Live their flagship and have it do everything?

[mike74]

Paul the sales rep said there are 8 left.

[rui]

Is browsing youtube good on WDTV live.
I have o!play,but thinking about get rid of it since I could use my xbox to play RMVB.

[craig0]

Does the WDTV Live have a fan?

[jerschwab]

Do any of these units being discussed support sequential video playback (or perhaps random video playback)? How about video playlists?

Thanks!

[merciscool]

For the people upgrading from wdtv1, can you guys comment on the 720p upscaled picture quality? Apparently there's degradation as compared to the older version of the box.

what's your source on this?

[rahzel]

How much final price?
Well shipping is 5.99 flat rate at XpressCanada, so depending where you live and how much tax your province charges, you can easily figure it out.

BTW, it says it's in stock now, but they raised the price from 125 -> 129. Still $1 cheaper than the other two places.

[Menace]

This guy has been b1tching about PQ

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=17353739&postcount=962

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=17354219&postcount=981



what's your source on this?

[mohitk]

This guy has been b1tching about PQ

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=17353739&postcount=962

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=17354219&postcount=981
I guess if we let the TV do the upconversion, things shouldn't be that bad. His looks like an isolated case.

[digitaldesi]

Just picked up a wdtv live from CC.

Hooked up to my wireless bridge watching HD youtube videos. This thing is GREAT!

[edgedamage]

Just picked up a wdtv live from CC.

Hooked up to my wireless bridge watching HD youtube videos. This thing is GREAT!

I love youtube in HD!!! You can see the compression artifacts more clearly!!

[edgedamage]

This guy has been b1tching about PQ

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=17353739&postcount=962

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=17354219&postcount=981

And again these are sub $200 devices. People find somewhere to get color bars that are within legal video limits to set up your monitor then judge these devices.

[Civuck]

And again these are sub $200 devices. People find somewhere to get color bars that are within legal video limits to set up your monitor then judge these devices.Amen to that.

[Doug]

Do any of these units being discussed support sequential video playback (or perhaps random video playback)? How about video playlists?

Thanks!

They mentioned playlist support in the beta firmware release, but I couldn't find how to use it. :confused:
http://www.wdc.com/wdtvprerelease/


Prerelease 1.02.11
New features:

* Added video playlist support.
* Added support for unlocking locked WD external drives.

(The current firmware release is 1.02.07)

[Civuck]

Do any of these units being discussed support sequential video playback (or perhaps random video playback)? How about video playlists?For the WDTV Live - Sequential video playback, Yes and video playlists, Yes. Random shuffle is limited to music files and photo slideshows. And yes, you can have music playing while viewing photos or slideshows.

[Civuck]

They mentioned playlist support in the beta firmware release, but I couldn't find how to use it. :confused:Use something like VLC Player to create a playlist and then save it to the folder with the videos.

[mtlboy]

Just picked up a wdtv live from CC.

Hooked up to my wireless bridge watching HD youtube videos. This thing is GREAT!

Can you tell me how the quality is when you stream hd movies? Like I assume xvid movies are fine, but how are big movies? Does it lag or anything, please let us know. Thanks,

[LoDown]

This person (http://wdtvforum.com/main/index.php?topic=2335.msg18541#msg18541) is reporting "5.6 Mb/sec" which I'm assuming he means 5.6 MB/sec (megabytes not megabits).... hopefully. So roughly 45 megabits/second if that is the case.

UPDATE: This post (http://wdtvforum.com/main/index.php?topic=2321.msg18393#msg18393) claims network speeds of "9-10mb/s" - as well as some other interesting details like YouTube HD being supported as well as being able to watch a file while it is still being copied.

Thanks for pointing out these reports. Would be good to get the real read/write speed to the attached USB drives. USB2 transfers at about 35 MegaBytes/sec real world speed. So a 10 GB file transfer takes about 5 minutes at best. If the WDTVL speed is only 1.25 MegBytes/sec, that same 10 GB file will take 140 minutes >:( If so, refreshing a WDTVL attached drive with videos over the network is a non-starter for me. Think I'll keep my 1st gen WDTV as playing and managing movies is the major reason to get these devices - unfortunately, WDTVL does not add anything in this area.

[ppl4golf]

Picked up the last one @ NY CC. $146.89...no recycle fee LOL

After I added the MAC address, I unhooked the network cable from my bedroom HTPC, hooked up this WDTV Live and started streaming stuff from the kitchen PC (semi server).

I played a bunch of things and all were good except no go for ripped HD-DVDs. Streamed Blu-ray rips beautifully as well, absolutely no bandwidth issue. 720p (3-4GB) movies looked great also. 1GB movies look like 1GB movies, no better and no worse than MPC-HC off my HTPCs.

It also played DVR-MS well, even played while the show was being recorded. However, there is no caption support for DVR-MS.

This is a lot of toy for <$150 all in. I didn't even unwind the cord of the transformer and all that time my WDTV Live was sitting on the floor behind the TV by the power bar. The WDTV is well out of sight, small and can be hidden anywhere. Runs cool also.

Navigation to find the media is a little clunky. Very PC-like and I pretty much need to navigate through the network, pick shared folders, folders again. There must be a media finder that I haven't discovered.

Now I need to hunt for another gigabit switch and buy at least one 2.5" portable HDD...and be broke.:cheesygri

[SurgeArrest]

Ordered yesterday from NCIX with Expedited 10$ shipping ($146 after tax), received today and was playing with device for a couple of hours now. So some observations:

According to Kill-A-Watt:
IDLE: 6W (WHY??? This does not meet EnergyStar requirements even closely).
BUSY: 9W (Streaming 1080i 17Mbps AVCHD from Server)
It gets warm but not hot; no fans it seems - so it is silent.
I have Linux server with Samba SMB share with passwordless access to Videos, Music, Photos folders. WDTV fails to recognize, saying Share has no media. >:(
Played a bunch of stuff and could not find anything that would not play (as expected)
YouTube does not know about Subscriptions, which is a big failure for me. :(
YouTube videos in HD are supported, but it does not look like they pool MP4 versions from the server, those MP4s are much better encodes than Flash.
Flickr photos are low resolution versions, so even though it shows them full screen, quality is not there. :evil:
Flickr is not associated with an account, so you have to add all your contacts again
UPnP/DLNA server access is working fine, however after a while it failed to play anything so I had to disconnect power and turn it on again, now plays everything fine again.


I do not have external HDD with movies as I'm usually keeping everything on my server, so failure to find Samba (SMB) shares is a big issue for me,
probably can be resolved, but can't figure out how yet, even though played with configuration file for a while.

I hope this device will get hacked and improved soon, even more I hope that WD would release some sort of SDK so that people could write plugins.

One of the things I would like to see are RSS feeds so that I can watch podcasts from places like Revision3, but this easy to implement feature is missing. WHY? Will keep this device since nothing beats it at this price for now, but will sell it once NVIDIA ION2 will be released in a form of something like Acer Aspire Revo, so I can install XBMC.

[lead]

Thanks for pointing out these reports. Would be good to get the real read/write speed to the attached USB drives. USB2 transfers at about 35 MegaBytes/sec real world speed. So a 10 GB file transfer takes about 5 minutes at best. If the WDTVL speed is only 1.25 MegBytes/sec, that same 10 GB file will take 140 minutes >:( If so, refreshing a WDTVL attached drive with videos over the network is a non-starter for me. Think I'll keep my 1st gen WDTV as playing and managing movies is the major reason to get these devices - unfortunately, WDTVL does not add anything in this area.

1.25 megs a sec would be a wireless g speed thru a floor.

It has a 100mbit port thats 11-12 megs a sec. If you it supports wireless n(although only usb) you could see depending on distance etc 15 to 35 megs a sec.

[TheGame]

can you play dvds through an external usb dvd drive with this thing?
can anyone who has this test it out?

[Civuck]

One of the things I would like to see are RSS feeds so that I can watch podcasts from places like Revision3, but this easy to implement feature is missing. Try the TVersity media server on your PC as it supports RSS feeds. In fact I use it for Revision3 video podcasts myself to stream to my trusty old Archos 605 WiFi.

[Civuck]

Navigation to find the media is a little clunky. Very PC-like and I pretty much need to navigate through the network, pick shared folders, folders again. There must be a media finder that I haven't discovered.There is a Media Library option (enabled by default) that will index all the media into a database and make accessing files quicker. Unfortunately it does not include network shares - only attached USB drives.

[fv]

Got a a Live version from CC today to replace my WDTV1 for the network needs.
The WDTV1 network hack is running slow even over NFS and I wanted to changed it to something faster.
The issue I'm encountering is that this device is seeing only 2 out of 6 of my Vista network shares (all of then being configured the same way with the same user ID and privileges).
The O'Play that I have in the same network has no problem seeing all the shares (including all the hidden share like C$)

[jumperson22]

Did anyone test this out with a DNS-323 NAS yet? Are there issues with not seeing media or shares? My primary purpose is to stream movies and music from my DNS-323 over a hard-wired connection.

Also, if I have a movie split into 2 files in a separate folder, is there a way to get it to play both files (one after the other) automatically? I know XBMC on my hacked xbox original does this, but on my 360 it does not.

TIA!

[mahjongmaniac]

I need to ban myself from RFD.

couldn't be easier .... just make a request to the mods for an IP ban :D

[Ry_Cooders_Eulogy]

I have ordered one and will be doing exactly that (I hope) streaming over a wired network from a DNS-323 ... will report back in a day or two on my success (or not)


Did anyone test this out with a DNS-323 NAS yet? Are there issues with not seeing media or shares? My primary purpose is to stream movies and music from my DNS-323 over a hard-wired connection.

Also, if I have a movie split into 2 files in a separate folder, is there a way to get it to play both files (one after the other) automatically? I know XBMC on my hacked xbox original does this, but on my 360 it does not.

TIA!

[jumperson22]

I have ordered one and will be doing exactly that (I hope) streaming over a wired network from a DNS-323 ... will report back in a day or two on my success (or not)

Decided that I wasn't going to kid myself and ordered! Now let's see how long it takes to get here. 7.99 shipping option wasn't available anymore..so I had to pay 8.99 for "Express Shipping" (which was apparently a deal on it's own according to the website).

[pmcd]

Did anyone test this out with a DNS-323 NAS yet? Are there issues with not seeing media or shares? My primary purpose is to stream movies and music from my DNS-323 over a hard-wired connection.

TIA!

That is exactly what I do. It works fine with the D-Link DNS-323.

philip

[Tibbs]

Did anyone test this out with a DNS-323 NAS yet? Are there issues with not seeing media or shares? My primary purpose is to stream movies and music from my DNS-323 over a hard-wired connection.

Also, if I have a movie split into 2 files in a separate folder, is there a way to get it to play both files (one after the other) automatically? I know XBMC on my hacked xbox original does this, but on my 360 it does not.

TIA!

Yes I have streamed no problem from a DNS-323.

[Totoriko]

Did anyone test this out with a DNS-323 NAS yet? Are there issues with not seeing media or shares? My primary purpose is to stream movies and music from my DNS-323 over a hard-wired connection.



works like a charm

[Civuck]

For those with Harmony 880 remotes and upgrading from the original WDTV - apparently the IR codes are the same with the WDTV Live.

[razors]

I notice BB .ca has the wd tv live on their website today.

No stock and $169.99.

[Menace]

LOL @ $169.99

While our $CND almost = $US, greedy Canadian retailer :twisted::twisted:

ps. BB.com is selling $119 in the US.


I notice BB .ca has the wd tv live on their website today.

No stock and $169.99.

[jjgitties]

Picked up the last one @ NY CC. $146.89...no recycle fee LOL

After I added the MAC address, I unhooked the network cable from my bedroom HTPC, hooked up this WDTV Live and started streaming stuff from the kitchen PC (semi server).

I played a bunch of things and all were good except no go for ripped HD-DVDs. Streamed Blu-ray rips beautifully as well, absolutely no bandwidth issue. 720p (3-4GB) movies looked great also. 1GB movies look like 1GB movies, no better and no worse than MPC-HC off my HTPCs.

It also played DVR-MS well, even played while the show was being recorded. However, there is no caption support for DVR-MS.

This is a lot of toy for <$150 all in. I didn't even unwind the cord of the transformer and all that time my WDTV Live was sitting on the floor behind the TV by the power bar. The WDTV is well out of sight, small and can be hidden anywhere. Runs cool also.

Navigation to find the media is a little clunky. Very PC-like and I pretty much need to navigate through the network, pick shared folders, folders again. There must be a media finder that I haven't discovered.

Now I need to hunt for another gigabit switch and buy at least one 2.5" portable HDD...and be broke.:cheesygri

thansk for the detail post.

did you notice if this thing sees UNIX/Linux/Samba shares?

is anyone using it with etx3, etx4 or ZFS file systems?

[razors]

LOL @ $169.99

While our $CND almost = $US, greedy Canadian retailer :twisted::twisted:

ps. BB.com is selling $119 in the US.

If BB had stock you could try and PM CC. Which the large price difference is good for :cheesygri

That would make it 125.99 and very close to the US price

[Menace]

My old WDTV with hacked firmware can access ext3 on HP Media Vault NAS.

SMB works but NFS doesn't. I think it is HP NAS problem.



is anyone using it with etx3, etx4 or ZFS file systems?

[rocketdan9]

My friend just got wdtv live and is thinking of returning it for the Oplay since he could save some cash and get a better usb drive or something.

PQ are the same (its like saying which blue ray player is better in pq, one by samsung or sony? same crap). It does have more ram/rom but its to the comparison of a sedan car having 300 horsepower which is not necessary in most driving situations.

[Menace]

Your friend can have my original WDTV for $70 ;)

It has good USB support if he/she doesn't need network connectivity.


My friend just got wdtv live and is thinking of returning it for the Oplay since he could save some cash and get a better usb drive or something.

[rocketdan9]

Your friend can have my original WDTV for $70 ;)

It has good USB support if he/she doesn't need network connectivity.

haha. Put it up on redflag or craiglist. My friend wants dts downmixing

Nobody in their right mind should get the original wdtv new with the oplay and wdtv live out now

[razors]

My friend just got wdtv live and is thinking of returning it for the Oplay since he could save some cash and get a better usb drive or something.

PQ are the same (its like saying which blue ray player is better in pq, one by samsung or sony? same crap). It does have more ram/rom but its to the comparison of a sedan car having 300 horsepower which is not necessary in most driving situations.

I will trade him my o!play and give him the difference in $. I really like the Oplay but my wife is used to the WD menu and would prefer that.

[Menace]

Well, your friend wanted to save $$$, but still wants the Moon :D:D

Get an used O!Play then ;) Good luck.


haha. Put it up on redflag or craiglist. My friend wants dts downmixing

Nobody in their right mind should get the original wdtv new with the oplay and wdtv live out now

[rocketdan9]

I will trade him my o!play and give him the difference in $. I really like the Oplay but my wife is used to the WD menu and would prefer that.

I just messaged him and he wants a new one no offense. He is probably just going to return his to get a new one.

You can put up your oplay for sale but i doubt you could sell it at the price you bought it. Maybe you can exchange it if you bought it from CC for example

[razors]

I just messaged him and he wants a new one no offense. He is probably just going to return his to get a new one.

You can put up your oplay for sale but i doubt you could sell it at the price you bought it. Maybe you can exchange it if you bought it from CC for example

no worries, I like the dvd menu support for my kids dvd iso better anyway.

[Civuck]

I notice BB .ca has the wd tv live on their website today.

No stock and $169.99.Looks like some Best Buy stores do have stock of the WDTV Live so there is potentially a price match opportunity.

[Civuck]

It does have more ram/rom but its to the comparison of a sedan car having 300 horsepower which is not necessary in most driving situations.The extra ram will be important for the hacking community which could potentially lead to some new features.

[SurgeArrest]

Try the TVersity media server on your PC as it supports RSS feeds. In fact I use it for Revision3 video podcasts myself to stream to my trusty old Archos 605 WiFi.

TVersity runs on Windows, but I have Linux Desktop, Linux Server and Macbook pro... plus I can stream from my server already, I just want it to be part of default interface.

[Eldorado]

LOL @ $169.99

While our $CND almost = $US, greedy Canadian retailer :twisted::twisted:

ps. BB.com is selling $119 in the US.

You guys do realize what goes on with the dollar does not directly affect products on a day by day basis?

Should be saying this to Amazon.ca who is selling for $189!

[Menace]

I got your points.

If BB.com had sale for $119 US, why can't BB.ca has for $129 CDN? Futureshop owns BB.ca which is a Canadian owned business.

Sorry, Canadian retailers are greedy bastards!!!:cheesygri:D


You guys do realize what goes on with the dollar does not directly affect products on a day by day basis?

Should be saying this to Amazon.ca who is selling for $189!

[Fate]

You guys do realize what goes on with the dollar does not directly affect products on a day by day basis?

Should be saying this to Amazon.ca who is selling for $189!

You're right. The Canadian Retailers Association released a statement yesterday telling us dumb Canadians that there is a 3-9 month lag as retailers have to order that far out. So sometime next spring (conveniently after the Christmas holiday season) we should see a price drop.

I sure dont remember us having better prices than the US 3-9 months after our dollar was at $1.10. Do you?

I think if we dont see a rapid price adjustment, Canadian retailers are going to have a rough holiday season. I'm heading to the US next weekend and will be doing some Christmas shopping and will be ordering the rest online out of the US as we get closer to December. Way cheaper than buying locally.

[mtlboy]

If anyone has tested this with a wireless network, can you confirm how it plays/streams movies? Hd movies, not just xvid. That's the setup I plan on using, with a wireless usb adapter, I just want to make sure there's no lag playing movies from my computer in a couple of rooms over.

[curryman90]

Got my WDTV live @ CC in mississauga. Hella excited to get home and try it out!!! :D

[stevelam]

If anyone has tested this with a wireless network, can you confirm how it plays/streams movies? Hd movies, not just xvid. That's the setup I plan on using, with a wireless usb adapter, I just want to make sure there's no lag playing movies from my computer in a couple of rooms over.

streaming wireless hd will almost always be unreliable, even with 'n' adapter/routers.

[zedsky]

streaming wireless hd will almost always be unreliable, even with 'n' adapter/routers.

I recently watched Batman Begins 1080P .mkv streaming through my N network. I was using my Asus O!Play (I know this is a WDTV Live thread) but I just wanted to share that it's possible and reliable.

I laughed at my U/L speed from my computer sending it to my router. If only I could download at that speed.

[ppl4golf]

thansk for the detail post.

did you notice if this thing sees UNIX/Linux/Samba shares?

is anyone using it with etx3, etx4 or ZFS file systems?

Sorry, I don't use any of these OS and file system.



I might as well throw it out there :

Is there a way for the WDTV Live to play ripped HD-DVD movies ?

[SurgeArrest]

I use Linksys WGA600N with WRT600N router and PS3 Media Server on Linux reports reliable 60Mbps, more than enough to stream even full bitrate Blu-ray disk. Unfortunately in this configuration WGA600N is always switched on and consumes 5W of power.

[dalman]

I recently watched Batman Begins 1080P .mkv streaming through my N network. I was using my Asus O!Play (I know this is a WDTV Live thread) but I just wanted to share that it's possible and reliable.

I laughed at my U/L speed from my computer sending it to my router. If only I could download at that speed.

Can you tell us how you do that? I have a O!play and I would like to do that too. Thanks!

[ovexi]

Has anybody tried to play 1080p mkv files using 200Mb powerline adapters? I wonder if this is a more reliable connection than wireless N.

[zedsky]

Can you tell us how you do that? I have a O!play and I would like to do that too. Thanks!

There is nothing out of the ordinary that I had to do. Just like streaming any other movie. My network at any given time it connected at a rate of 150mbps and up which is more than enough to stream such a big file.

Computer in other room. O!Play to WRT150N router. Done.

Unless I'm off and you were asking about something else

[Eldorado]

I got your points.

If BB.com had sale for $119 US, why can't BB.ca has for $129 CDN? Futureshop owns BB.ca which is a Canadian owned business.

Sorry, Canadian retailers are greedy bastards!!!:cheesygri:D

Everyone likes to throw around the 'greedy' word here.. as if we expect companies to NOT try and make money by selling things at or near cost.. just because... I guess.. because we are all envious of the US prices

I'm sure any of us if running a business would sell it for the cheapest possible just for that warm fuzzy feeling..

Prices will start to align, the cheaper priced guys will either go up, or the higher priced guys will come down..

Anyhoo, back to the WDTV Live chat :)

[dalman]

There is nothing out of the ordinary that I had to do. Just like streaming any other movie. My network at any given time it connected at a rate of 150mbps and up which is more than enough to stream such a big file.

Computer in other room. O!Play to WRT150N router. Done.

Unless I'm off and you were asking about something else

Oh, I misunderstood. I thought you connect it the other way around. Computer to router and o!play to the wireless adapter. I can not connect my router to o!play since it is too far away so I have to use a wireless solution for o!play. Can not find any now...

[carldufourm]

Has anybody tried to play 1080p mkv files using 200Mb powerline adapters? I wonder if this is a more reliable connection than wireless N.

I bought this (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330364764710) powerline adapter off ebay last week. Haven't received it yet but I'm crossing my fingers it's gonna be enough to stream 720p/1080p stuff on the WDTV Live! I've read in a review of the unit that about 28-30mbps is necessary to stream 1080p stuff. The downside is that those adapters are a hit and miss depending on your house...

[Azenha]

Damm! Sometimes I really hate RFD! There goes another purchase.

The question now is what to do with the WDTV that I bought a few weeks ago - I haven't even taken it out of the box yet. Oh well, if anyone is looking for a brand new WDTV for $105, PM me. I even have an USB Ethernet adapter on back order from Dealsextreme.

[Azenha]

I bought this (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330364764710) powerline adapter off ebay last week. Haven't received it yet but I'm crossing my fingers it's gonna be enough to stream 720p/1080p stuff on the WDTV Live! I've read in a review of the unit that about 28-30mbps is necessary to stream 1080p stuff. The downside is that those adapters are a hit and miss depending on your house...

I have the four Ethernet port version of that powerline adapter - same specs and even looks the same, except it has a four-port Ethernet switch built in. Here's the model:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130331524272

Man, the price has really increased on these things. I bought them for about $40 each just under two years ago off eBay. I have six running at my home (in encrypted mode). They are connected throughout the house ranging from the basement to the third floor. On average I get data speeds ranging from 35mbps to 65mbps. I've never gotten anything remotely close to the 85mbps that is claimed by Netgear.

On the other hand, they are VERY RELIABLE. I would definitely recommend them to anyone. The best part of is that you don't have to run any cables in the within the house, nor do you ever get dropped connections like you get with WiFi. Plug them in and forget about them.

I've only had one problem with them when I first received them. The factory firmware would not support a necessary Windows Media Center protocol which made them useless with my Linksys Media Center Extenders. After much searching I located a Microsoft employee who had worked with Netgear to develop Beta firmware that fixed this problem. All my units are now using this Beta firmware and I haven't had any problems since. My units have been running continuously for about a year and a half now without any problems.

In terms of bandwidth, you'll likely be able to watch HDTV if you dedicate an adapter for the WDTV Live alone and if you're on the same electrical circuit. Bandwidth decreases dramatically when adapters are between circuits. On my end, I'm usually able to watch recorded HDTV shows recorded by my Windows Media Center off other computers in the house (1080 DVR-MS format).

Also, the adapters should include software that will allow you to centrally set the encryption and monitor the transmission speed for each unit. If your sale does not include the software, check the Netgear web site and you should be able to download it from there.

Nonetheless, and speaking from personal experience, these Netgear powerline adapters are great and I'd recommend it to anyone (at least the four-port version that I'm using).

[Menace]

Good to hear. CTY has it for sale a little while ago. It was $69 for 2 adapters. Damn, I missed it :D



Nonetheless, and speaking from personal experience, these Netgear powerline adapters are great and I'd recommend it to anyone (at least the four-port version that I'm using).

[mcplar]

Damm! Sometimes I really hate RFD! There goes another purchase.

The question now is what to do with the WDTV that I bought a few weeks ago - I haven't even taken it out of the box yet. Oh well, if anyone is looking for a brand new WDTV for $105, PM me. I even have an USB Ethernet adapter on back order from Dealsextreme.

Should have done your research a little better.. The release date has been set for a while now.

[CalgaryJeremyK]

Navigation to find the media is a little clunky. Very PC-like and I pretty much need to navigate through the network, pick shared folders, folders again. There must be a media finder that I haven't discovered.


That's too bad... I was hoping to use this to replace an aging P4 PC which I use to stream media from my main PC. My goal was to have a much easier to use system than the computer that my wife would enjoy using (I have all of our kid's DVDs stored on the computer downstairs so that we don't have to rummage through DVDs to put a movie on). If the interface isn't very conducive to browsing shared media, this might not be my solution.

I am still considering the AppleTV with XBMC...

[inanimate]

Has anybody tried to play 1080p mkv files using 200Mb powerline adapters? I wonder if this is a more reliable connection than wireless N.

I've got a Linksys PLK300 kit and it works great for streaming HD content. I didn't try with very many 1080p files, but stream 720p mkvs regularly and have never had a problem.

my place is a fairly new townhouse though.

[earth_quake69]

Its simple, Bestbuy US and Canada both buy same product and sell it. WD Live for $119 in USA with around 7% Sales tax depending on where you buy it. Canadians use Best Buy canada to borrow this product till they make US trip, and return it once they have reasonable priced version. Once returned, Best Buy canada would mark it down as open box/refurbished at regular US Price ($119).

Also I find it very useful to buy it from Bestbuy canada, test it out and once I know for sure I want it, I return it to Bestbuy canada and buy it from USA.


I got your points.

If BB.com had sale for $119 US, why can't BB.ca has for $129 CDN? Futureshop owns BB.ca which is a Canadian owned business.

Sorry, Canadian retailers are greedy bastards!!!:cheesygri:D

[Civuck]

if anyone is looking for a brand new WDTV for $105, PM me. Original WDTV is $99 at Best Buy (http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10115467&catid=26259).

[lead]

Oh, I misunderstood. I thought you connect it the other way around. Computer to router and o!play to the wireless adapter. I can not connect my router to o!play since it is too far away so I have to use a wireless solution for o!play. Can not find any now...

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10117842&catid=19994
I used this with o!play has alot of juice. Doesn't require 3rdparty firmware for true bridge mode. It was on sale for 29.99 a while back probably will again. I have my o!play and my original xbox/xbmc, and wii connected to it(has 4 ports). Streams from dl 655 router with gigaport to dns 323 nas(yes 1080p streams thru a floor fine, I can almost max the line and hit 5-6 megs a sec when used thru 2 floors).
But you should really check out the wdtv forums for which usb n adapter is best supported. The comstar has the 100mbit limited from its port. A true n adapter should do better.

[ovexi]

Just PM'ed with Canadacomputers at BestBuy Oakville. Total was 126+tax :cheesygri. I got the last one off the shelf I guess. Now it's time to look into those powerline adapters.

[audacity]

Grabbed one at Best Buy in Calgary, PM'd with NCIX. $141 all in.

[ppl4golf]

That's too bad... I was hoping to use this to replace an aging P4 PC which I use to stream media from my main PC. My goal was to have a much easier to use system than the computer that my wife would enjoy using (I have all of our kid's DVDs stored on the computer downstairs so that we don't have to rummage through DVDs to put a movie on). If the interface isn't very conducive to browsing shared media, this might not be my solution.

I am still considering the AppleTV with XBMC...

Definitely low WAF when doing the network. I was surprised some dude earlier mentioned his GF really liked the WDTV1 but then it had a media finder for media on HDD. I am no sexist but WAF is important consideration for many when it comes to electronics and whether you're allowed to buy more or not LOL.

Vista PC means you're need password to log on. It does remember the account/password. I have to log on to different computers back and forth even in the same session. It is a PITA even for me, but once the Blu-ray is playing off this tiny box flawlessly, it's all smiles.

It also crashed once (couldn't log on) but the remotes power toggle off and on again fixed it.

Despite that, I generally dislike Media Finders so won't be using that either except for a portable HDD.

[ppl4golf]

There is nothing out of the ordinary that I had to do. Just like streaming any other movie. My network at any given time it connected at a rate of 150mbps and up which is more than enough to stream such a big file.

Computer in other room. O!Play to WRT150N router. Done.

Unless I'm off and you were asking about something else

The max speed means nothing. The ability to sustain a certain transfer speed is what counts. That will depend on the signal and the specs on the wireless gears. The ability to stream HD content (~8-10GB/hour stuff) is possible but certainly not reliable enough. Heck, I won't even use 10/100 router now.

[cpus456]

Did an instore pickup for heartland
tried to enter the pizza pizza coupons
one for 10
one for 20

it seam like they went though (took a screenshot)
but the price was not refected in the total 169.99

anyways went there to pick up

pm cc at 125.99
then i presented the screenshot with my coupons and they hounored it!!!

Got it for 95.99 :0

I know you guys are going to ask

the screen was of the screen where you ender the digital dollars
once entered, then show up at of the page as being successful
however when you checkout they dont get applied. dont know why

last night i tried to enter the pizza pizza code for the 1gb external and it did the same thing - there web is ********

[Jon Lai]

Why does Richmond Hill and Markham BB not have any stock yet? :(

[jjgitties]

Did an instore pickup for heartland
tried to enter the pizza pizza coupons
one for 10
one for 20

it seam like they went though (took a screenshot)
but the price was not refected in the total 169.99

anyways went there to pick up

pm cc at 125.99
then i presented the screenshot with my coupons and they hounored it!!!

Got it for 95.99 :0

I know you guys are going to ask

the screen was of the screen where you ender the digital dollars
once entered, then show up at of the page as being successful
however when you checkout they dont get applied. dont know why

last night i tried to enter the pizza pizza code for the 1gb external and it did the same thing - there web is ********

Way to go Raymond!!

[cpus456]

Comparing the WD HD 1 to this one i can say that there a the wd hd 2 is not as good at up conversion.

have to do more testing to be sure

[CalgaryJeremyK]

Definitely low WAF when doing the network. I was surprised some dude earlier mentioned his GF really liked the WDTV1 but then it had a media finder for media on HDD. I am no sexist but WAF is important consideration for many when it comes to electronics and whether you're allowed to buy more or not LOL.


I had to google WAF. I called my wife for a purchase pre-approval and got it so I'm going to buy the box anyways. I saw a YouTube video showing the how media is accessed over a network and I think I can (and I hope my wife can) live with it.

For those in Calgary, Memory Express now has stock on the WDTV Live and they are selling it for $130.00. I'm going to swing by on the way home from work and grab one.

[jjgitties]

Comparing the WD HD 1 to this one i can say that there a the wd hd 2 is not as good at up conversion.

have to do more testing to be sure

are you thinking the old one is better?

[civic99]

Like *.rm, *.rmvb?
This is import since majority of files are in these format.

[rui]

Like *.rm, *.rmvb?
This is import since majority of files are in these format.

Go for ASUS O!paly for RMVB supported

[Menace]

B-RAD posted his analysis. He made hacked firmware for WDTV known as WDLXTV

http://b-rad.cc/974/wdtv-live-unboxing-undressing


quick answer: no hubs, optical drive support (sort've) built in, no NFS, wireless device support for rt2870sta, rt3070sta, and rt3572sta chipsets.

[mark_in_2k]

B-RAD posted his review. He made hacked firmware for WDTV known as WDLXTV

http://b-rad.cc/974/wdtv-live-unboxing-undressingLOL, that's not really a review, more of an "analysis" as he put's it, of what going on when's its booting / playing files. Quite a good read even for a complete Linux n00b like myself.

I'm not plunking down the $$$ right now for the Live. I'll wait for Christmas and give the wife a nudge in the right direction! But I'm definately looking forward to some great firmware tweaks and homebrew, especially considering the generous 200 MB RAM it has.

[Menace]

lol fixed


LOL, that's not really a review, more of an "analysis" as he put's it,.

[Civuck]

B-RAD posted his analysis. He made hacked firmware for WDTV known as WDLXTV

http://b-rad.cc/974/wdtv-live-unboxing-undressingA good read!

[Daijoubu]

For the tech-heads out there, here's some more info (http://www.sigmadesigns.com/Products/SMP8650/pdf_files/SMP8650_br.pdf) on the new Sigma Designs chip used in the WDTV Live. It's the SMP-8655 chip clocked at 500mhz.

For comparison, the original WDTV uses the SMP-8635 chip clocked at 300mhz.

And the ASUS O!Play uses a Realtek 1073 chip clocked at 400mhz. More info here (http://www.realtek.com.tw/products/productsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=9&PFid=26&Level=3&Conn=2&ProdID=238).

SOURCE (http://www.iboum.com/artkill/tablesort.php)

Mhz doesn't mean much across different CPUs, especially dedicated chips like those used to decode videos...

[skinnydoggy]

I have the original at home, and it will not play some wmv's. The video plays, but the audio is "not supported"

Will the firmware fix this, or will the new one play this? It was a bluray rip of batman (the first movie)

The box says it plays WMV9, maybe this is an older format? Any help would be awesome, I am trying to decide whether or not to pull the trigger on this new one. The old one is still pretty good, and I would take a loss if I sold it.

Thanks

[ppl4golf]

Mhz doesn't mean much across different CPUs, especially dedicated chips like those used to decode videos...

I hate to reiterate it over 1000 times :

You can't go wrong avoiding Asus, especially their bread and butter popular stuff.

So in essence, I totally agree with you CPU speed means zilch here:)

[cpus456]

are you thinking the old one is better?

For PQ.... yes
Feature wise obviously not

1080 p movies are pretty well the same

I notice a slight decrease in quality with 720p (which is what i use the most)

The biggest disappointment is with any thing below - image looks more blocky/pixlated

Maybe theres a firmware upgrade

[Nightwing]

I have Linux server with Samba SMB share with passwordless access to Videos, Music, Photos folders. WDTV fails to recognize, saying Share has no media. >:(


Are you using symbolic links?

I added the following code to smb.conf, into the global section:

follow symlinks = yes
wide symlinks = yes
unix extensions = no

Works like a charm with my O!Play.

Mark

[SurgeArrest]

Are you using symbolic links?

I added the following code to smb.conf, into the global section:

follow symlinks = yes
wide symlinks = yes
unix extensions = no

Works like a charm with my O!Play.

Mark

Thanks for suggestion, already updated my smb.conf, but I will be able to check only tonight.

[jumperson22]

That is exactly what I do. It works fine with the D-Link DNS-323.

philip


Yes I have streamed no problem from a DNS-323.


works like a charm

Thanks guys...ordered one myself!

[BRAISKI]

Does anyone know if BB will PM CC?

[rollen]

anyone have issues outputting HDMI 720p or higher via HDMI-to-DVI cable?

[mvrana]

Just got mine yesterday, and overall liking it, but not sure if it's the best solution for my needs. (I've got an AppleTV and PS3)

If anyone in Montreal is looking for one, I'll let it go for $130 all-in (you save shipping + taxes).

[BRAISKI]

Yes I have streamed no problem from a DNS-323.


works like a charm


That is exactly what I do. It works fine with the D-Link DNS-323.

philip


Awesome! I have a the DNS-323, hopefully I can get it today...

[4public]

NCIX has changed back the price to 149CAD
No more sale?

[jumperson22]

NCIX has changed back the price to 149CAD
No more sale?

Maybe because they're now sold out and it's on back-order?

[2slow]

I bought the O!play and would like a secondary WD Live one for another room, can this unit also decode the DTS on the actual unit like my ASUS O!play without a DTS reciever?

Thanks

[ppl4golf]

mini update :

0. There is an auto-password feature so I don't have to retype to get reconnected to any computers.

1. It failed to pick up a shared drive (1TB logical drive) in my XP machine - not sure why. The shared stuff in Vista all come in good. It also picks up SHARED MEDIA in Vista machines so there is less navigation.

2. I finally get around to try youtube. Watched "2009 Pole Dancing Championship" which was the first clip that popped out from the most popular of the day LOL. The quality is way better than youtubing with my PCs given it is played on a big screen. I sure wished the quality was better for that particular acrobatic clip:cheesygri

3. TrueHD-ONLY Blu-ray sucks big time and I have 2 : Kung Fu Panda and Monsters vs Aliens. TrueHD is apparently not downmixed via HDMI nor OPTICAL. I haven't plugged in the RCA to try the 2-channel. There are 2 BLu-ray out of my collection of a dozen that didn't play properly - Bolt and Cars.

4. None of my HD-DVD got picked up...anyone has any ideas ??

[BRAISKI]

I just got back from BB and PMd it with CC. I also double check WD website and CC is an authorized dealer, just in case if they have some issues with it.

[razors]

I bought the O!play and would like a secondary WD Live one for another room, can this unit also decode the DTS on the actual unit like my ASUS O!play without a DTS reciever?

Thanks

I just picked up a WDTV live yesterday and have an o!play as well. They both downmix DTS.

I don't notice any big difference in the video quality between the two. I do find that SD quality is a little worse on both of them then my original WDTV.

Live plays all the mkv files with high reframes that my old WDTV player had trouble with no problems. Even tried the insane planet earth pole to pole clip (16 reframes) played perfectly while the o!play had colour issues and pixelation.

Personally I find the bird scene in the planet earth plains episode more demanding.
WDTV pixelates and sound drops
O!play plays perfectly
WD live plays perfectly

sub title support seems better to me on the Live and I like the feature that you can push left or right to adjust the timing of the sub titles. The O!play you can use the same buttons to increase and decrease the size of the sub tittles. Largest size is bigger then the live. I don't see anyway to adjust the timing but all files I tried with subs seemed to work. Though if you cycle through the subs when it is playing it messes up the video.

I like the trick modes of the o!play better then the Live. oplay has 1.5 and 2 x modes where you can hear the sound. It also has 32x and the video flows a little better not as jerky as the live. The live is pretty much identical to the original for ff though the rr seems to work smoother. I cannot get either one to do a 10 min jump ahead or back. I know this is not in the Asus firmware unless they added it in the 1.11 release today. I thought the Live supported this like the original?

DVD iso play back is much better on the oplay. Menus and chapter skip, no home button as far as I can tell which is sort of annoying.

both units play videos that the original would not play. oplay handles my saved pvr raw mpg files better then the live. I have to convert to mkv to get them to work properly on the live. Live will play a 8gb.iso 1080p I have that the oplay will not at all. Not sure if it is avchd or br compressed. I know it has dts audio and the original wd plays with no sound.

[2slow]

Thanks for the clarification Razors


I just picked up a WDTV live yesterday and have an o!play as well. They both downmix DTS.

I don't notice any big difference in the video quality between the two. I do find that SD quality is a little worse on both of them then my original WDTV.

Live plays all the mkv files with high reframes that my old WDTV player had trouble with no problems. Even tried the insane planet earth pole to pole clip (16 reframes) played perfectly while the o!play had colour issues and pixelation.

Personally I find the bird scene in the planet earth plains episode more demanding.
WDTV pixelates and sound drops
O!play plays perfectly
WD live plays perfectly

sub title support seems better to me on the Live and I like the feature that you can push left or right to adjust the timing of the sub titles. The O!play you can use the same buttons to increase and decrease the size of the sub tittles. Largest size is bigger then the live. I don't see anyway to adjust the timing but all files I tried with subs seemed to work. Though if you cycle through the subs when it is playing it messes up the video.

I like the trick modes of the o!play better then the Live. oplay has 1.5 and 2 x modes where you can hear the sound. It also has 32x and the video flows a little better not as jerky as the live. The live is pretty much identical to the original for ff though the rr seems to work smoother. I cannot get either one to do a 10 min jump ahead or back. I know this is not in the Asus firmware unless they added it in the 1.11 release today. I thought the Live supported this like the original?

DVD iso play back is much better on the oplay. Menus and chapter skip, no home button as far as I can tell which is sort of annoying.

both units play videos that the original would not play. oplay handles my saved pvr raw mpg files better then the live. I have to convert to mkv to get them to work properly on the live. Live will play a 8gb.iso 1080p I have that the oplay will not at all. Not sure if it is avchd or br compressed. I know it has dts audio and the original wd plays with no sound.

[jzy]

Live plays all the mkv files with high reframes that my old WDTV player had trouble with no problems. Even tried the insane planet earth pole to pole clip (16 reframes) played perfectly while the o!play had colour issues and pixelation.

Personally I find the bird scene in the planet earth plains episode more demanding.
WDTV pixelates and sound drops
O!play plays perfectly
WD live plays perfectly



Hmm, my O!play had problems with the bird scene......

[Rudel]

FYI, just price matched this @ Best Buy (Scarborough TC) with Canada Computers (129.99) got it for 125.99 + tax. Minimal hassle, store had about 4 units in the back. You have to ask for them, not on shelves.

Cheers

[Siefer999]

infonec has it for 129 as well.

http://infonec.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=449628

[ppl4golf]

Hmm, my O!play had problems with the bird scene......

I looped that bird scene 20+ times on my WDTVLive yesterday and my wife finally gave me the bird.

[2slow]

I have two problems with my O!play right now, subtitle freezing that everyone is experiencing but secondly is I connect it to my old LCD TV (4 years old) only has DVI port on it, I tried connecting it with a HDMI to DVI cable and a HDMI to HDMI with a HDMI to DVI adaptor and I get no signal to the TV. I think it might be my O!play does not like sending signal to DVI ports, since I cannot get a signal to my DVI monitor for computer either.


Hmm, my O!play had problems with the bird scene......

[Awesomeness]

Now 149.99 at NCIX.

[razors]

Hmm, my O!play had problems with the bird scene......

this was from a 1080p rip at I believe 6 reframes not the 16 reframe pole to pole version

[dufFWant]

My order has been stuck on "Processed" for the last three days (placed the order on the 13th).

Should it show up as "Shipped"" in the status? I haven't received a tracking number yet...

Anyone else with this issue?

[KenA]

can this play .rar archives like xbmc :lol:

if so.... SOLD!

[marksman]

I have two problems with my O!play right now, subtitle freezing that everyone is experiencing but secondly is I connect it to my old LCD TV (4 years old) only has DVI port on it, I tried connecting it with a HDMI to DVI cable and a HDMI to HDMI with a HDMI to DVI adaptor and I get no signal to the TV. I think it might be my O!play does not like sending signal to DVI ports, since I cannot get a signal to my DVI monitor for computer either.

I have my O!Play connected to a Monoprice HDMI switch, which in turn is connected to my TV with an HDMI to DVI cable, and it works just fine. Unless the switch is doing something special, I think the O!Play can output via an HDMI to DVI cable just fine. Maybe I'll try connecting it directly tonight, just to verify.

[chimaera15]

Aside from Best Buy (OOS) is there any other store where I can pick this up? Walmart/Costco etc?

Thanks.

[canadiankorean]

My order has been stuck on "Processed" for the last three days (placed the order on the 13th).

Should it show up as "Shipped"" in the status? I haven't received a tracking number yet...

Anyone else with this issue?

I called and apparently it's backordered with NCIX.
I'm thinking of cancelling the order and buying it from infonec or something.

[2slow]

I disconnected the HDMI cable from the unit and dvi/HMDI adaptor from the TV and re-inserted it in with a lot of force. For some reason it is working now. I saw a similar person on ASUS forum jamming it into the HDMI to get a signal as well. Thanks for you help.


I have my O!Play connected to a Monoprice HDMI switch, which in turn is connected to my TV with an HDMI to DVI cable, and it works just fine. Unless the switch is doing something special, I think the O!Play can output via an HDMI to DVI cable just fine. Maybe I'll try connecting it directly tonight, just to verify.

[Azenha]

FYI, just price matched this @ Best Buy (Scarborough TC) with Canada Computers (129.99) got it for 125.99 + tax. Minimal hassle, store had about 4 units in the back. You have to ask for them, not on shelves.

Cheers

Got it yesterday for $115 + tax when PMed at BB with Pizza Pizza coupon.

[jzy]

this was from a 1080p rip at I believe 6 reframes not the 16 reframe pole to pole version

Okay, I see.

Has anyone been able to PM at Best Buy in Ottawa?

[DavidB]

Are you using symbolic links?

I added the following code to smb.conf, into the global section:

follow symlinks = yes
wide symlinks = yes
unix extensions = no

Works like a charm with my O!Play.

Mark

Thanks! Now the symbolic links work on my DNS-323 NAS.

[Civuck]

Updated thread to reflect NCIX dead deal but Canada Computers/Best Buy pricematch opportunity in OP.

[BRAISKI]

Got it yesterday for $115 + tax when PMed at BB with Pizza Pizza coupon.

Thought my deal was great when I PM @ BB but your is better! >:( oh well...

[4public]

Pizza 10$ off coupon is not working - expired before Oct 17 end time :(
PIZZZ010205416642606 is useless now

[Civuck]

Yah, like everything these days, WDTV Live has a Twitter stream (http://twitter.com/WDTVLive).

And so does at least one Western Digital spokesperson (http://twitter.com/srader).

[VanillaPep]

Got it yesterday for $115 + tax when PMed at BB with Pizza Pizza coupon.

Online or in store?

[RedFlagRobot]

PQ are the same (its like saying which blue ray player is better in pq, one by samsung or sony? same crap).

Actually it's nothing like that. There is definitely variation in quality between all these streamers.

[Civuck]

Actually it's nothing like that. There is definitely variation in quality between all these streamers.Different boxes, different chipsets - you really have to calibrate each media box independently for your display.

Get some widescreen SMPTE color bars here (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SMPTE_Color_Bars_16x9.svg).

[VanillaPep]

How do you get it pm'ed for 125$ before coupons and tax at BB?

129.99$+6.99$ = 136.98$
169.99$-136.98$ = 33.01$
136.98$ - (10%x33.01$) = 133.68$

Did i fail math?

[4public]

How do you get it pm'ed for 125$ before coupons and tax at BB?

129.99$+6.99$ = 136.98$
169.99$-136.98$ = 33.01$
136.98$ - (10%x33.01$) = 133.68$

Did i fail math?

129.99 - (169.99 - 129.99)*10% = 129.99 - 4 = 125.99 + Taxes

[Nokialuna]

How do you get it pm'ed for 125$ before coupons and tax at BB?

129.99$+6.99$ = 136.98$
169.99$-136.98$ = 33.01$
136.98$ - (10%x33.01$) = 133.68$

Did i fail math?

They do not count the shipping costs as pick up is available?

I just picked one up at BB with price match for 125.99+tax. It was in the stock room so you have to ask someone to get it for you. Also, PM at customer service. I asked the cashier and she said she wasn't sure about PMing Canada Computers (which is total BS).

[RedFlagRobot]

Get some widescreen SMPTE color bars here (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SMPTE_Color_Bars_16x9.svg).

What do we do with these exactly? Sorry, but I know nothing about calibration.

[VanillaPep]

They do not count the shipping costs as pick up is available?

I just picked one up at BB with price match for 125.99+tax. It was in the stock room so you have to ask someone to get it for you. Also, PM at customer service. I asked the cashier and she said she wasn't sure about PMing Canada Computers (which is total BS).

Ah crap, where i live there's no CanadaComputers..

[VanillaPep]

CC OOS for online orders

[Nokialuna]

Ah crap, where i live there's no CanadaComputers..


Try to find a local computer store. I am almost certain it will be priced lower than BB's 169.99.

Also, with a lot of people here PMing BB maybe they will just lower the price to 129.99 altogether to reduce future losses.

[jjgitties]

successful CC PM @ BB. i got it for 126.

i dont know how everyone else is getting it for 100??!!!

beats me!!

[sjb110]

I'd avoid CanadaComputers.com. I phoned up the Ottawa-Merivale store and asked if they had any in stock. The CSR replied yes and said he would hold one at the front cash for me until the end of the day.
When I get there, it was not being held at the front cash, and they were OOS. And no apology for their screwup either. Basically 'too bad for you'. I was planning on building a new computer with everything purchased from them later this year...but they will no longer be receiving any of my hard earned money. Terrible customer service.

[pinktt]

WDTV Live
Memory Express $130
BB $170
PriceMatch at BB for $130 - 10% 0f $40 = $126 + tax

[Nokialuna]

I'm looking at the list of compatible wireless adapters known so far and all of them are out of my price range :(

Does anyone know of a wireless adapter that works with wdtv live for under 40 dollars?

[YouKilledMyFather]

Just got mine today…
But ran into a problem…

I hook it up via HDMI cable, see the WDTV Live logo and then my TV tells me there is no video input. Tried rebooting, tried with network… nothing. Just shows the logo and then blank screen and TV sees no signal. Argghhhh…

I know TV has no problems with stuff I can watch off my laptop which has HDMI port.

Wondering if anyone else had/has this problem???

[RSXer]

CC PM @ BB + $10 SPC coupon = $115

Thanks OP!

Don't even need this but it would come in handy some day :)

NOTE: PMED at STC BB no questions asked ... went to CS and he checked Can com and PMed it right away /... pretty smooth if you asked me!

[jjgitties]

i tested it with a whole bunch of things. everything seems to work fine. it has not failed to play anything so far. i am using regular 100mb ethernet and al is streaming fine off my *nix boxes.

for anyone having issues with a *nix -- just follow http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/NetworkBrowsing.html#id2583144

[Civuck]

I had a peculiar problem when I first installed the WDTV Live. I connected it to my Optoma HD65 projector and - for whatever reason - the WDTV Live was running in what looked to be about 8 color mode. You could tell right away during the startup splash screen. I messed around with all the settings and eventually only a complete unplug of the HDMI cable and the power cable did things appear correctly.

Interestingly, while the problem existed on the HDMI connection, I simultaneously had the component connection hooked up (apparently they can work at the same time, no idea why that menu item selection is there) and it didn't have that problem.

Anyway, I've had one random reboot (when attempting to display a jpg image off a network drive) which put the box back in that 8 color mode. But since then everything has worked. We just finished watching about 3 hours of video (mix of HD MKV and SD Xvid off network share) and no issues.

A few notes... the WDTV Live identified my projector as being a 1080p. While it can accept that, it is native 720p. The original WDTV identified it as being 720p. And apparently Pandora is for US citizens only.

And for those interested, I had no problems getting the WDTV Live to see my older Terastation NAS with XFS file system. It also saw my WinXP shares as well as my TVersity server no problem.

[mjjrules]

I have a PS3 that I stream movies to, should I consider buying this to play mkv's to enjoy 1080p?

[Totoriko]

I have a PS3 that I stream movies to, should I consider buying this to play mkv's to enjoy 1080p?

If your network bandwidth is fast enough to carry 1080p signals, go for it.

[fv]

I found a way to get my Vista shares working on WDTV-L.
I posted my workaround @ http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17368944#post17368944
I used the following naming convention for shares D1, D2, D3, etc. to see my Vista shares

[earth_quake69]

BB realized WD TV1 at $99 was too cheap, so today's flyer has it for $119 (special deal). ;-)

[jjgitties]

BB realized WD TV1 at $99 was too cheap, so today's flyer has it for $119 (special deal). ;-)

yeah. i saw that as well. very weird. so they had WDTVs 1st gen all over the store, some were $119 others were $99. duh!!

[Menace]

A lot of average users do not care about network connectivity. WDTV is still a very good buy.

PS. I have one for sale, just shot me a PM :cheesygri


BB realized WD TV1 at $99 was too cheap, so today's flyer has it for $119 (special deal). ;-)

[Koppoman]

i tried buying the wdtv live online at ncix, when i added to cart, its 129.99 just to let you know + the $3 shipping going on, i think its pretty good deal. :razz:

[Tha DraGun]

can this play .rar archives like xbmc :lol:

if so.... SOLD!

I loved that feature with xbmc! I Saved so much hard drive space that way.
Has anyone tried it yet?

[BRAISKI]

Got it installed today and works well with my NAS D-Link 323.

Packed my old WD-TV and soon to be sold lol. Oh and WD went cheap this time, it doesnt come with the HDD stand, so luckily I double check I was about to complain/return it but in front of the box it says HDD and Stand sold separately!

So I will keep my stand :)

[earth_quake69]

Hi,

Got one from Bestbuy at Hwy 7, Markham. There were no units n shelves or back but staff told me they are in truck (just arrived) and got me (full trolly with other stuff). I took one to check out, $169, asked for price match with Canada Compuers, they refused, girl said they dont do PM with canada computers, I showed her notice board in front of her with PM policy and told her it doesn't mention anything about CC not to be price matched. Asked to call manager, manager came and told her that no PM with CC but tiger direct has same price $129 and do PM with it, she did it. She was poor at math so I helped her to reduce 10% of difference to $129.99 less $5 ;-) to $124.99. (it costs $1 to not being able to calculate). Than I tried Pizza Pizza code, didn't work, again customer service on phone, who gave her another $10 code which works. (Code is 10127792-U1W2 on my receipt). Net $114.99 plus tax = $129.94. Even though I am going to US next week I figured this is cheaper than buying in BB USA as after tax and fx diff banks charge on Canadian credit cards, it would cost me more than CAD$129.94.

Any ideas about where I can get good 1TB drive without spending fortune?

[Jon Lai]

I don't' get it. Why's everyone buying this one over the O!Play? The PQ difference has been proven to be people who failed to calibrate their inputs properly.

[yu130960]

I don't' get it. Why's everyone buying this one over the O!Play? The PQ difference has been proven to be people who failed to calibrate their inputs properly.

People are most likely betting on greater third party support.

[Jon Lai]

People are most likely betting on greater third party support.

I thought support would more or less be relatively the same as both are based on Linux. Is that really worth an extra $30?

[lead]

I don't' get it. Why's everyone buying this one over the O!Play? The PQ difference has been proven to be people who failed to calibrate their inputs properly.

other than the price difference which is negiblible right now wdtv live was introduced cheap and with the pizza coupons people are able to purchase at the popular places like bb for around +100. That added on with its wdtv build and fan base and it would sell well. But not at the expected 160-189. They new they had to drop keep the interest. Which is great for the buyer. Now with reports of o!play dropping to 89 in states we should see it here and I'm in for 2 for more.
So if your bummed you missed the pizza coupon/pm. You could wait for 89 bucker O!play. I'd say newegg.ca will be first this time free shipping shell shocker

[Jon Lai]

other than the price difference which is negiblible right now wdtv live was introduced cheap and with the pizza coupons people are able to purchase at the popular places like bb for around +100. That added on with its wdtv build and fan base and it would sell well. But not at the expected 160-189. They new they had to drop keep the interest. Which is great for the buyer. Now with reports of o!play dropping to 89 in states we should see it here and I'm in for 2 for more.
So if your bummed you missed the pizza coupon/pm. You could wait for 89 bucker O!play. I'd say newegg.ca will be first this time free shipping shell shocker

O!Play is still $107 so even with the coupon it's $115. Plus, PM+coupon is really YMMV as a lot of b1tchy CSRs will say you can't combine offers. Regardless WDTV still ends up being more $$ and no RMVB support, so I don't get why people are buying them.

[lead]

O!Play is still $107 so even with the coupon it's $115. Plus, PM+coupon is really YMMV as a lot of b1tchy CSRs will say you can't combine offers. Regardless WDTV still ends up being more $$ and no RMVB support, so I don't get why people are buying them.

rmvb is nice and will over power wdtv live in the asian market not so much in NA. But their's people who pm and stacked and got for a 100 which is great, good job.
Your question though since each one will just add more with firmware updates or opensource addons. Its like an Ati, vs nvidia argument.They both do the job and right now are doing it cheap. The loser is the under 200 standalones. Its really gonna come down to ease of skinning and scrapers. Ease of menu choices and speed, playlists library organization. But all that will change from 3rd party addons.

[jollyeskimo]

I have absolutely no need for rmvb.

Also, this is a second gen product, and that weighs heavily on my decision right now. Still gonna sit on this until around christmas... but all signs point towards getting the WDTV live.

[lead]

I have absolutely no need for rmvb.

Also, this is a second gen product, and that weighs heavily on my decision right now. Still gonna sit on this until around christmas... but all signs point towards getting the WDTV live.

No I disagree. Its lack of no dvd menu in iso in the first and now again in the second was a big mistake. I mean its supposed to play from stored harddisc. Most people backed up their legitimate dvd collection to iso file. How could you miss that market, unless directly intentional or influenced to do so. You'd think from first gen you would start with this in the 2nd gen. Thats not a good sign. They need to fix that asap.

[jollyeskimo]

I guess I'm just a member of the the ideal market for the WDTV live then... I use neither .iso nor .rmvb in my collection, and have been waiting for a networked terminal-type player to supplement my HTPC.

...and wait, are you disagreeing with my non-need for rmvb support, or my preference of a second gen product over a first gen? =_=;

[RedFlagRobot]

I don't' get it. Why's everyone buying this one over the O!Play? The PQ difference has been proven to be people who failed to calibrate their inputs properly.

How has it been proven?

[lead]

I guess I'm just a member of the the ideal market for the WDTV live then... I use neither .iso nor .rmvb in my collection, and have been waiting for a networked terminal-type player to supplement my HTPC.

...and wait, are you disagreeing with my non-need for rmvb support, or my preference of a second gen product over a first gen? =_=;

I agree, I don't use rmvb. Again if I were a developer I wouldn't have neglected a larger sale market either, like the asian one. Their population is much bigger! so rmvb would have been a smart codec to support.

[Jon Lai]

I guess I'm just a member of the the ideal market for the WDTV live then... I use neither .iso nor .rmvb in my collection, and have been waiting for a networked terminal-type player to supplement my HTPC.

...and wait, are you disagreeing with my non-need for rmvb support, or my preference of a second gen product over a first gen? =_=;

But my argument is that O!Play is still cheaper regardless of adding all the coupons available at BB at the moment, so I don't see why you wouldn't pay less for equivalent features that you DO use.

[jollyeskimo]

I agree, I don't use rmvb. Again if I were a developer I wouldn't have neglected a larger sale market either, like the asian one. Their population is much bigger! so rmvb would have been a smart codec to support.

Yep... I guess it's Asus' presence and experience in the asian market that will make their player more appealing there.

[sgee]

I'd avoid CanadaComputers.com. I phoned up the Ottawa-Merivale store and asked if they had any in stock. The CSR replied yes and said he would hold one at the front cash for me until the end of the day.
When I get there, it was not being held at the front cash, and they were OOS. And no apology for their screwup either. Basically 'too bad for you'. I was planning on building a new computer with everything purchased from them later this year...but they will no longer be receiving any of my hard earned money. Terrible customer service.

Sorry you have had problems. I have dealt with Canada Computers for many years (MIssissauga and Hamilton) and think they are one of the best PC shops to deal with. My first go to place! I ordered an O'play and they held it behind cash for me no problem. (I love this O!play!)

[mike74]

Just got mine today…
But ran into a problem…

I hook it up via HDMI cable, see the WDTV Live logo and then my TV tells me there is no video input. Tried rebooting, tried with network… nothing. Just shows the logo and then blank screen and TV sees no signal. Argghhhh…

I know TV has no problems with stuff I can watch off my laptop which has HDMI port.

Wondering if anyone else had/has this problem???

You might have problem like mine - 720p TV. You just hook up the RCA cable and adjust the resolution accordingly. Then when you connect again via HDMI, you will see clearly. Goodluck.

[razors]

But my argument is that O!Play is still cheaper regardless of adding all the coupons available at BB at the moment, so I don't see why you wouldn't pay less for equivalent features that you DO use.

Both have there pros and cons. The WDTV Live definately has a more powerful chipset. Plus an already active hacking community behind the first generation. Looks as if B-rad is not far off from a hacked firmware.

If someone can get a YAMJ type interface working on the WDTV Live the sales will go through the roof.

[nambit]

With the new introduction of WDTV Live, I expect things to really light up on the hacking community for the WDTV {live}:

http://www.wdtvc.com/

[prettyha8]

NCIX is selling the WDTV Live here for $126:

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=888885130

I hope this is the same thing, as I just ordered it.

(If it ships from the Toronto warehouse to a Toronto address, do I have to pay $PST???)

[YouKilledMyFather]

You might have problem like mine - 720p TV. You just hook up the RCA cable and adjust the resolution accordingly. Then when you connect again via HDMI, you will see clearly. Goodluck.

Nope. TV is 1080p for sure as I can use BD player and laptop with HDMI with no problems at 1080p@60Hz.

I have tried every HDMI setting available (720 i/p, 1080i/p @ whatever Hz) and still no go. Tried a different set of cables. Nothing. Feeling pretty frustrated.

[Menace]

I ran into your problem with my WDTV on a old 27" Samsung LCD TV. It said "Unsupported Mode" or something like that. I did everything I can think of. I finally hooked it up to another Samsung LCD TV and did a "System Reset". WDTV has been working fine.

This is the first time I have this strange problem since I bought it in March.


Nope. TV is 1080p for sure as I can use BD player and laptop with HDMI with no problems at 1080p@60Hz.

I have tried every HDMI setting available (720 i/p, 1080i/p @ whatever Hz) and still no go. Tried a different set of cables. Nothing. Feeling pretty frustrated.

[udh]

hard not to pickup this thing the more i think about it. i use a modded xbox with xbmc which i love but mkvs and hd video are a pain. i don't think this new unit could be more perfect.

I'm falling behind technology now. It sounds like a cool device but I'm not clear what this can do. Could you please help me to understand what advantage this box can provide over the modded xbox with xbmc? Thanks!

[ltp2k3]

I'm falling behind technology now. It sounds like a cool device but I'm not clear what this can do. Could you please help me to understand what advantage this box can provide over the modded xbox with xbmc? Thanks!

I too have a similar question, I already have Media Center PC attached to my TV with tuner and capable of playing 1080p (mkv) without skipping. My PC has HDMI interface so that what I used for my TV. I also have wireless 300N on the PC so I can stream contents from any other computer on the network. Do I still need this device? It looks like a cool one to carry around but I am not sure if there is something else that I am missing from my PC that I need to get this

[Menace]

A short answer is No. This device is portable and it is "Green" ;)


I too have a similar question, I already have Media Center PC attached to my TV with tuner and capable of playing 1080p (mkv) without skipping. My PC has HDMI interface so that what I used for my TV. I also have wireless 300N on the PC so I can stream contents from any other computer on the network. Do I still need this device? It looks like a cool one to carry around but I am not sure if there is something else that I am missing from my PC that I need to get this

[Deemo]

I haven't seen one of these in action as yet.

For movies are you stuck with stinky folder browsing or can you get the artwork with a possible summary to show up?

Probably the one main reason I use a PC instead.

[Tibbs]

When I setup my WDTV Live I didnt notice the little stickers for the feet. So I put them under the unit. But there is also a second thing (square) that has 3 long cushy stickers. What are those for?

[ah802]

I think the industry has spoken, it's just that some are more optimistic.

http://www.dvdnextcopy.com/ultimate.aspx

[earth_quake69]

Today again went to buy 1TB My book external USB HD for WD TV live at Bestbuy at heartland in mississauga.
Price $149. Pricematched it to Tigerdirect $119 = $116 after price match. Less asked for pizza pizza code, but she entered from her memory another $10 code and net $106 plus tax total $120.90

Code she used was for SPC Card.
SPC Code: SPCCARD0528274339121
Cashier Code: 10125298

[Nokialuna]

I haven't seen one of these in action as yet.

For movies are you stuck with stinky folder browsing or can you get the artwork with a possible summary to show up?

Probably the one main reason I use a PC instead.

Not sure about summary but it can show the cover image and a preview of the video.

[Nokialuna]

when i setup my wdtv live i didnt notice the little stickers for the feet. So i put them under the unit. But there is also a second thing (square) that has 3 long cushy stickers. What are those for?

+1

[ppl4golf]

I too have a similar question, I already have Media Center PC attached to my TV with tuner and capable of playing 1080p (mkv) without skipping. My PC has HDMI interface so that what I used for my TV. I also have wireless 300N on the PC so I can stream contents from any other computer on the network. Do I still need this device? It looks like a cool one to carry around but I am not sure if there is something else that I am missing from my PC that I need to get this

WDTV-Live is a gadget...and you pretty much nailed it that it's supercool - a tiny box could do all these. It is also completely silent and uses hardly any hydro. It will also make a good media server on the go if you spend the time and money and load up a 500GB 2.5" HDD.

I have a PC in almost every room that has a TV, I definitely don't need the WDTV-Live. After a couple of days, I found out the hard way that the network capability is full of glitch, especially when the gigabit network is 'busy' between the HTPCs LOL.

The WDTV2 will not replace any of my HTPC already in the stable. I hate to say but the network reliability is subpar, navigation is bad (like fastforward/rewind and NO replay/skip at all WTF) and that all lead to poor WAF. The video quality is surprisingly good OTOH.

[ppl4golf]

When I setup my WDTV Live I didnt notice the little stickers for the feet. So I put them under the unit. But there is also a second thing (square) that has 3 long cushy stickers. What are those for?

The 4 circles are for putting in normally and the 3 long strips are for standing it up.

[lead]

I found out the hard way that the network capability is full of glitch, especially when the gigabit network is 'busy' between the HTPCs LOL.

The WDTV2 will not replace any of my HTPC already in the stable. I hate to say but the network reliability is subpar, navigation is bad (like fastforward/rewind and NO replay/skip at all WTF) and that all lead to poor WAF. The video quality is surprisingly good OTOH.

yeah the avsforum is littered with wdtv live network issues.

[bluetea]

anyone wanna trade the wdtv life for o!play + some cash? pm me :D

[donvaz]

Hi,

Got one from Bestbuy at Hwy 7, Markham. There were no units n shelves or back but staff told me they are in truck (just arrived) and got me (full trolly with other stuff). I took one to check out, $169, asked for price match with Canada Compuers, they refused, girl said they dont do PM with canada computers, I showed her notice board in front of her with PM policy and told her it doesn't mention anything about CC not to be price matched. Asked to call manager, manager came and told her that no PM with CC but tiger direct has same price $129 and do PM with it, she did it. She was poor at math so I helped her to reduce 10% of difference to $129.99 less $5 ;-) to $124.99. (it costs $1 to not being able to calculate). Than I tried Pizza Pizza code, didn't work, again customer service on phone, who gave her another $10 code which works. (Code is 10127792-U1W2 on my receipt). Net $114.99 plus tax = $129.94. Even though I am going to US next week I figured this is cheaper than buying in BB USA as after tax and fx diff banks charge on Canadian credit cards, it would cost me more than CAD$129.94.

Any ideas about where I can get good 1TB drive without spending fortune?


Too funny LOL

[Jon Lai]

yeah the avsforum is littered with wdtv live network issues.

What are these network issues? Is the O!Play better in this regard?

[yangxu]

Is the unit supposed to be warm even when it's turned off? With the power still plugged in, it feels pretty warm, not sure if this is a common phenomenon or not. :|

[Menace]

Lots network issues with Windows 7 and some with Vista. O!Play discussion isn't that active. Let's be honest, those network issues isn't caused by WDTV Live. Microsoft OS's security ;) If you have a NAS, then there isn't much issue at all :lol:


What are these network issues? Is the O!Play better in this regard?

[lead]

Lots network issues with Windows 7 and some with Vista. O!Play discussion isn't that active. Let's be honest, those network issues isn't caused by WDTV Live. Microsoft OS's security ;) If you have a NAS, then there isn't much issue at all :lol:

not just that its upnp issues cross platform, from disconnects to lost shares etc. It was pointed out when it was first released. Samba's works ok. Firmware update should fix it.

[Nokialuna]

Is the unit supposed to be warm even when it's turned off? With the power still plugged in, it feels pretty warm, not sure if this is a common phenomenon or not. :|

mine is the same. anyone else like this?

[kuba]

WDTV-Live is a gadget...and you pretty much nailed it that it's supercool - a tiny box could do all these. It is also completely silent and uses hardly any hydro. It will also make a good media server on the go if you spend the time and money and load up a 500GB 2.5" HDD.

I have a PC in almost every room that has a TV, I definitely don't need the WDTV-Live. After a couple of days, I found out the hard way that the network capability is full of glitch, especially when the gigabit network is 'busy' between the HTPCs LOL.

The WDTV2 will not replace any of my HTPC already in the stable. I hate to say but the network reliability is subpar, navigation is bad (like fastforward/rewind and NO replay/skip at all WTF) and that all lead to poor WAF. The video quality is surprisingly good OTOH.

Sounds to me like you're hating on WD for creating what's basically a pretty cool HT in a box for a whole lot less than any of your PCs and in a much smaller package and in turn making it very portable. lol

I haven't purchased the WDTV2 yet, but I might, you can't go wrong with a unit like this for portability (and price).

[ppl4golf]

Sounds to me like you're hating on WD for creating what's basically a pretty cool HT in a box for a whole lot less than any of your PCs and in a much smaller package and in turn making it very portable. lol

I haven't purchased the WDTV2 yet, but I might, you can't go wrong with a unit like this for portability (and price).

I actually like it and it is a very cool gadget. At the current firmware level, expect the network capability as a 'bonus' and don't start yanking out HTPC or other dedicated media extenders for casual usage. The network glitches are common and it's not going to make prime time if it's not fixed.

It sure beats HTPCs for downloaded contents unless you're into RM. DVD menu system needs to be there. If Asus did it, so should WD.

The media capability of this gadget is as good if not better than a $400-500 laptop. You can get a $70 2.5" drive plus a nettop and still be even:D

[betamaxman]

Can anyone tell me if the WDTV live upconverts content to 1080p or even i? I have read the usus oplay does not. What ya play is what you get.
Also I have read the wdtv can stream from youtube, can the asus do this?

[Tha DraGun]

can mkv be fast forwarded/rewind?

My xbox 360 setup doesnt let me. If I hit back by mistake I have to restart the movie from the very beginning!

[BandH]

Having a couple problems...

1) I copied all of the DVD content (every file on the DVD) of EMPIRE STRIKES BACK onto my EXT. HDD. When I tried to play it...the movie jumped all over the place. I think it was trying to play the other angles or languages. Should I've just copied the 5 vob files? Please help. :confused:

2) I also compared the WDTV with the new WDTV LIVE which I recently purchased. I noticed 2 things! 1)Picture is more grainy, and 2) colours look as if they are bleeding. The WDTV played them a lot nicer than WDTV2 LIVE. ;) Has anyone else noticed this?

[sticks]

What advantages does this have over using a PS3 to play media files?


no need to convert files with mkv2vob (and deal with the associated dts issues), subtitle support, harmony remote compatibility!

wrong son. google the free app ps3 media server. also pwns xbox media center.

[Ikarasu]

wrong son. google the free app ps3 media server. also pwns xbox media center.

Ps3MEdiaserver is pretty taxing on your CPU when your transcoding 1080P files. This doesn't need to use your CPU Power at all... It has a huge advantage over a PS3, especially since it's in the $100-120 range, while Ps3's are not!

[BandH]

I am comparing the WDTV with the LIVE...where can I select which resolution I want on the WDTV LIVE?

On the 1st WDTV I could select 720p or 1080i or 1080p (60Hz or 24Hz)?


nvm: figured er out!

After I selected HDMI it gives me this option.

Also gives options RGB LOW, RGB HIGH and YCbCr and Auto. Which is the best?

[carldufourm]

I am comparing the WDTV with the LIVE...where can I select which resolution I want on the WDTV LIVE?

On the 1st WDTV I could select 720p or 1080i or 1080p (60Hz or 24Hz)?


nvm: figured er out!

After I selected HDMI it gives me this option.

Also gives options RGB LOW, RGB HIGH and YCbCr and Auto. Which is the best?

I still haven't figured it out... I have HDMI as output and still don't see any option to choose resolution.

I now plugged all my external HDD on my comp and stream them trought the WDTV Live. It's awesome, but a little buggy. At first I only saw 6 of the 9 folders I was sharing. I googled it and it seems the first letter of the folder has to be between A-K. Anyways I renamed all my folders with D1_ (disk1) then the real name. It's a little dumb, I would have liked it better if I didn't have to do it, but oh well now it's working.

I'm thinking of buying for my room the O!Play next time it's gonna be cheap, cuz I already stream stuff through my 360, but I also want to stream the damn MKV's!!! I'd buy another WDTV Live, but since I already own one, and the O!Play is cheap, I'll give it a try.

[InternalStorm1]

For those of you who think you can't skip when fast forwarding or rewinding are mistaken. If you are in FF/RW mode just press the next button and it will skip ahead in 10 minute intervals. This is more than useful enough for finding any place in a film.

[Phong]

Even if HDMI is already selected, press "Enter" on it again, and choose HDMI; in the screens that follow, a resolution selector will appear as its own screen.


I still haven't figured it out... I have HDMI as output and still don't see any option to choose resolution.

I now plugged all my external HDD on my comp and stream them trought the WDTV Live. It's awesome, but a little buggy. At first I only saw 6 of the 9 folders I was sharing. I googled it and it seems the first letter of the folder has to be between A-K. Anyways I renamed all my folders with D1_ (disk1) then the real name. It's a little dumb, I would have liked it better if I didn't have to do it, but oh well now it's working.

I'm thinking of buying for my room the O!Play next time it's gonna be cheap, cuz I already stream stuff through my 360, but I also want to stream the damn MKV's!!! I'd buy another WDTV Live, but since I already own one, and the O!Play is cheap, I'll give it a try.

[yu130960]

For those of you who think you can't skip when fast forwarding or rewinding are mistaken. If you are in FF/RW mode just press the next button and it will skip ahead in 10 minute intervals. This is more than useful enough for finding any place in a film.

Yes, I agree this is a device saving hidden feature!!

[prettyha8]

NCIX is selling the WDTV Live here for $126:

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=888885130

I hope this is the same thing, as I just ordered it.

(If it ships from the Toronto warehouse to a Toronto address, do I have to pay $PST???)

Looks like deal is now dead. (But my order was processed =D) I'll go home and see if my browser's cookie still has it in cart. :twisted: (anyway the savings is not much).

[ppl4golf]

For those of you who think you can't skip when fast forwarding or rewinding are mistaken. If you are in FF/RW mode just press the next button and it will skip ahead in 10 minute intervals. This is more than useful enough for finding any place in a film.

Good man...I TY for that !

[razors]

For those of you who think you can't skip when fast forwarding or rewinding are mistaken. If you are in FF/RW mode just press the next button and it will skip ahead in 10 minute intervals. This is more than useful enough for finding any place in a film.

Thx, I stand corrected. I somehow knocked the mapping of those buttons off my logitech remote. Working fine now that I mapped them again.

[Menace]

WDLXTV-LIVE-0.1 is out :D

http://wdtvforum.com/main/index.php?topic=2439.0

[RedFlagRobot]

And custom firmware already :D

http://wdtvforum.com/main/index.php?topic=2439.0

EDIT: Ooops, Menace beat me to it.

[w11x22]

I had bought this couple of weeks ago but returned after an hour as when I played an ISO image file on my Samsung LCD TV the picture had more bigger horizontal bars then if I were to burn the same image to a DVD disk. I mean when I played the ISO file from WD TV the picture shrank more. But when I burned the same ISO on a DVD disk (Dual Layer) the image was bigger that is the horizontal bars were not that big and viewable area was quite big.....any comments??
I connected my WDTV through HDMI and my DVD player is hooked up with Component cable...... Please advice..
Thanks

[yangxu]

N00b question:

When you guys say down-mixing DTS, what does it mean exactly? I have a DTS video that seems to show two audio options when played on WDTV, one as AC3 and the other one as DTTT (or something similar). The former has sound while the latter has no sound on my TV. Is AC3 the down-mixed audio that's processed by WDTV or is there something else I'm missing? Thanks.

[Civuck]

WDLXTV-LIVE-0.1 is out :D

http://wdtvforum.com/main/index.php?topic=2439.0It begins!

Should be interesting where this goes.

[yu130960]

I thought support would more or less be relatively the same as both are based on Linux. Is that really worth an extra $30?

The third party support for WDTV Live has already started...

[andicus]

I had bought this couple of weeks ago but returned after an hour as when I played an ISO image file on my Samsung LCD TV the picture had more bigger horizontal bars then if I were to burn the same image to a DVD disk. I mean when I played the ISO file from WD TV the picture shrank more. But when I burned the same ISO on a DVD disk (Dual Layer) the image was bigger that is the horizontal bars were not that big and viewable area was quite big.....any comments??
I connected my WDTV through HDMI and my DVD player is hooked up with Component cable...... Please advice..
Thanks

Sounds like it might be related to overscan...

[ovexi]

Having a couple problems...


2) I also compared the WDTV with the new WDTV LIVE which I recently purchased. I noticed 2 things! 1)Picture is more grainy, and 2) colours look as if they are bleeding. The WDTV played them a lot nicer than WDTV2 LIVE. ;) Has anyone else noticed this?

Not very happy either with the picture quality compared to the old WTDV 1. The most noticeable is on the thumbnails screen where on the WDTV Live they look like bleeding the colors as already mentioned here. On the WDTV 1 this screen is sharper, very clear. I also noticed the image is a bit reddish while playing the movie. I am using the same HDMI port with the same picture settings on my Samsung 52A550 TV.

[Azenha]

The third party support for WDTV Live has already started...

Hurray!!! Keep them coming!!!

[flashmeister]

Patriot is about to release a similar product to WDTV Live:

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/amazon-com-patriot-box-office-hd-media-player-99-99-usd-803686/
(the thread I started).

The regular price is $129.99 USD, but if you pre-order, you save $30 and get a free Patriot Wireless-G USB dongle...

Any comments on which one is better?

WDTV Live, O!Play or Box Office?

Some nice features:
- Metal enclosure
- bay for an internal 2.5" HDD
- P2P support

[betamaxman]

Well pulled the triger and bought one from newegg. Early christmass gift to my self.

[betamaxman]

Patriot is about to release a similar product to WDTV Live:

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/amazon-com-patriot-box-office-hd-media-player-99-99-usd-803686/
(the thread I started).

The regular price is $129.99 USD, but if you pre-order, you save $30 and get a free Patriot Wireless-G USB dongle...

Any comments on which one is better?

WDTV Live, O!Play or Box Office?

Some nice features:
- Metal enclosure
- bay for an internal 2.5" HDD
- P2P support
Seems there is no end to these things.
http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/home-entertainment/bd4f/

[liquidj]

Having a couple problems...

1) I copied all of the DVD content (every file on the DVD) of EMPIRE STRIKES BACK onto my EXT. HDD. When I tried to play it...the movie jumped all over the place. I think it was trying to play the other angles or languages. Should I've just copied the 5 vob files? Please help. :confused:

I would only copy the VIDEO_TS folder.

[Menace]

Could anyone please stop post deals on these things. I've already gone broke after purchased Asus O!Play, WDTV Live and hard drives :cheesygri:D:cheesygri:D


Patriot is about to release a similar product to WDTV Live:

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/amazon-com-patriot-box-office-hd-media-player-99-99-usd-803686/
(the thread I started).

The regular price is $129.99 USD, but if you pre-order, you save $30 and get a free Patriot Wireless-G USB dongle...

Any comments on which one is better?

WDTV Live, O!Play or Box Office?

Some nice features:
- Metal enclosure
- bay for an internal 2.5" HDD
- P2P support

[BandH]

I would only copy the VIDEO_TS folder.

Actually I did copy just the VIDEO_TS folder over. ;) And it still did the same jumping, but it was only 4-5 minutes. I believe it is something to do with the other languages when the Star Wars- Empire Strikes Back Ep. V goes up the screen. I just skipped forward...problem solved. :D


Not very happy either with the picture quality compared to the old WTDV 1. The most noticeable is on the thumbnails screen where on the WDTV Live they look like bleeding the colors as already mentioned here. On the WDTV 1 this screen is sharper, very clear. I also noticed the image is a bit reddish while playing the movie. I am using the same HDMI port with the same picture settings on my Samsung 52A550 TV.

I turned down the colour and calibrated the contrast, brightness and sharpess. Still grainy! Although the reds don't stick out as much, since I turned down the colour, there still might be bleeding. I honestly can't tell after I calibrated the TV. Which I hope is a good thing. :)

Can I pray that WD fixes this? Synch is top notch compared to the WDTV1.

[mohitk]

Could anyone please stop post deals on these things. I've already gone broke after purchased Asus O!Play, WDTV Live and hard drives :cheesygri:D:cheesygri:D

Hey can you please post a comparo of all 3 boxes you have (wdtv, o!play and wdtv live). That'll save people like me the pain of buying and returning.

[BandH]

Hey can you please post a comparo of all 3 boxes you have (wdtv, o!play and wdtv live). That'll save people like me the pain of buying and returning.

I can't help you with O!play, but I can tell you that picture was indeed better with the first WDTV. However, in my opinion the WDTV had a few issues.

1) Slower menu access.
2) FF and REW not as quick to respond as the new WDTV LIVE.
3) Finger print magnet because of the black shiny case of the WDTV (WDTV LIVE much better) :D
4) AUDIO SYNCH problems with the original WDTV. None noticed (yet) with the WDTV LIVE.
5) PICTURE better on the WDTV...WDTV not quite as good. In my opinion again, it doesn't matter if it is 1080,720 MKV, VOB, divx (Avi) AVCHD, TS, WMV...they looked NICER on the orig. WDTV. WDTV LIVE is 'grainier'. And somewhat bleeds RED. I adjusted my colour on the tv to calm this down. ;)

[Menace]

That is my big problem, I'm greedy and I love them all :D :D

It is so sad that I finally got rid of my 2nd WDTV :cry:




Hey can you please post a comparo of all 3 boxes you have (wdtv, o!play and wdtv live). That'll save people like me the pain of buying and returning.

[Menace]

I don't find any PQ difference between 3 boxes. I made sure I picked the right HDMI setting (720P/60Hze) for my 3 Samsung LCD TVs. I do like the remote control on WDTV Live. The buttons are firm and responsive. Menu Display on both O!Play and WDTV Live is little quicker than WDTV due their faster chip (400mhz/500mhz).


but I can tell you that picture was indeed better with the first WDTV. However, in my opinion the WDTV had a few issues.

[Taft]

Sorry to threadcrap, but I am looking for a good deal on the orig WDTV since I don't need network access and you guys are saying the picture is better on the orig.

Is anyone aware of sales on the old now that the new one is available? Would love to get one in the $75 range or less!

[Menace]

I just sold mine for $80 on Craigslist. I did post for $90 here.


Sorry to threadcrap, but I am looking for a good deal on the orig WDTV since I don't need network access and you guys are saying the picture is better on the orig.

Is anyone aware of sales on the old now that the new one is available? Would love to get one in the $75 range or less!

[alain]

Anybody who has succesfully shared a drive that the WD will see with a Win 7 computer?

i am going crazy with this. i wont list everything i tried since this is not a technical forum but this is insane. my home network (multiple computers) can succesfully share the drives on the Win 7 pc but the WD cant .

i am having some success with the Media Server approach ( i can stream MP3 and AVI files) but no MKV (go figure)

and link to a good WD TV Live discussion forum for help?

[rsarwar]

Sorry to threadcrap, but I am looking for a good deal on the orig WDTV since I don't need network access and you guys are saying the picture is better on the orig.

Is anyone aware of sales on the old now that the new one is available? Would love to get one in the $75 range or less!
When it was $99 last week at Best Buy you would have used the Pizza Pizza online redemption coupon for $10 off plus gotten free shipping. Now its $109.99 and you can still use the coupon to get it for $99 if you want but that seems to be lowest right now.

[ah802]

link to a good WD TV Live discussion forum for help?http://wdtvforum.com/main/index.php?topic=2439.0

[Civuck]

Sorry to threadcrap, but I am looking for a good deal on the orig WDTV since I don't need network access and you guys are saying the picture is better on the orig.Be warned - I originally thought network access wouldn't be important. But once you start spending time copying 5GB or 10GB high definition videos to a USB stick, you will quickly see the benefits of just streaming across a network. Time is money too.

[Civuck]

and link to a good WD TV Live discussion forum for help?As mentioned in the first post of this thread, here's one (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1172446).

[Civuck]

Not very happy either with the picture quality compared to the old WTDV 1. The most noticeable is on the thumbnails screen where on the WDTV Live they look like bleeding the colors as already mentioned here. On the WDTV 1 this screen is sharper, very clear. I also noticed the image is a bit reddish while playing the movie. I am using the same HDMI port with the same picture settings on my Samsung 52A550 TV.For the record, I see ZERO difference between my WDTV 1 and WDTV Live and I watch lots of HD movies on a 120" projection screen - for what that is worth to anyone.

[Civuck]

Seems there is no end to these things.
http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/home-entertainment/bd4f/Full roundup here (http://www.iboum.com/artkill/tablesort.php).

[mark_in_2k]

For the record, I see ZERO difference between my WDTV 1 and WDTV Live and I watch lots of HD movies on a 120" projection screen - for what that is worth to anyone.Over in AVS Forums a lot of people are saying that the SD upscaling isn't as good as the WDTV1. Can you test that?

[carldufourm]

Over in AVS Forums a lot of people are saying that the SD upscaling isn't as good as the WDTV1. Can you test that?

I think everybody is right, the first thing I noticed when I first played with my WDTV Live, was the upscalling of SD stuff. It seemed better on the original WDTV.

[Jon Lai]

The third party support for WDTV Live has already started...
But will they be able to add RMVB support... hm...

[Menace]

+1 agreed 100%

In my case, I have a NAS. I just do not bother copying files.



Be warned - I originally thought network access wouldn't be important. But once you start spending time copying 5GB or 10GB high definition videos to a USB stick, you will quickly see the benefits of just streaming across a network. Time is money too.

[VanillaPep]

Why would anyone want to buy the Live if the PQ is worse?

[rahzel]

I just picked up a WDTV live yesterday and have an o!play as well. They both downmix DTS.

I don't notice any big difference in the video quality between the two. I do find that SD quality is a little worse on both of them then my original WDTV.

Live plays all the mkv files with high reframes that my old WDTV player had trouble with no problems. Even tried the insane planet earth pole to pole clip (16 reframes) played perfectly while the o!play had colour issues and pixelation.

Personally I find the bird scene in the planet earth plains episode more demanding.
WDTV pixelates and sound drops
O!play plays perfectly
WD live plays perfectly

sub title support seems better to me on the Live and I like the feature that you can push left or right to adjust the timing of the sub titles. The O!play you can use the same buttons to increase and decrease the size of the sub tittles. Largest size is bigger then the live. I don't see anyway to adjust the timing but all files I tried with subs seemed to work. Though if you cycle through the subs when it is playing it messes up the video.

I like the trick modes of the o!play better then the Live. oplay has 1.5 and 2 x modes where you can hear the sound. It also has 32x and the video flows a little better not as jerky as the live. The live is pretty much identical to the original for ff though the rr seems to work smoother. I cannot get either one to do a 10 min jump ahead or back. I know this is not in the Asus firmware unless they added it in the 1.11 release today. I thought the Live supported this like the original?

DVD iso play back is much better on the oplay. Menus and chapter skip, no home button as far as I can tell which is sort of annoying.

both units play videos that the original would not play. oplay handles my saved pvr raw mpg files better then the live. I have to convert to mkv to get them to work properly on the live. Live will play a 8gb.iso 1080p I have that the oplay will not at all. Not sure if it is avchd or br compressed. I know it has dts audio and the original wd plays with no sound.
Thanks for the confirmation. That's just crazy that this little thing can play that scene; even my budget HTPC with CoreAVC can't play it smoothly. That makes me want this thing even more. >:(

[RedFlagRobot]

Why would anyone want to buy the Live if the PQ is worse?

I don't think anyone is saying the PQ is worse, they are saying upconverting is worse. So if you only watch HD files you won't care.

[Jon Lai]

I just picked up a WDTV live yesterday and have an o!play as well. They both downmix DTS.

I don't notice any big difference in the video quality between the two. I do find that SD quality is a little worse on both of them then my original WDTV.

Live plays all the mkv files with high reframes that my old WDTV player had trouble with no problems. Even tried the insane planet earth pole to pole clip (16 reframes) played perfectly while the o!play had colour issues and pixelation.

Personally I find the bird scene in the planet earth plains episode more demanding.
WDTV pixelates and sound drops
O!play plays perfectly
WD live plays perfectly

sub title support seems better to me on the Live and I like the feature that you can push left or right to adjust the timing of the sub titles. The O!play you can use the same buttons to increase and decrease the size of the sub tittles. Largest size is bigger then the live. I don't see anyway to adjust the timing but all files I tried with subs seemed to work. Though if you cycle through the subs when it is playing it messes up the video.

I like the trick modes of the o!play better then the Live. oplay has 1.5 and 2 x modes where you can hear the sound. It also has 32x and the video flows a little better not as jerky as the live. The live is pretty much identical to the original for ff though the rr seems to work smoother. I cannot get either one to do a 10 min jump ahead or back. I know this is not in the Asus firmware unless they added it in the 1.11 release today. I thought the Live supported this like the original?

DVD iso play back is much better on the oplay. Menus and chapter skip, no home button as far as I can tell which is sort of annoying.

both units play videos that the original would not play. oplay handles my saved pvr raw mpg files better then the live. I have to convert to mkv to get them to work properly on the live. Live will play a 8gb.iso 1080p I have that the oplay will not at all. Not sure if it is avchd or br compressed. I know it has dts audio and the original wd plays with no sound.

So it sounds like both players has its pros and cons.
This sucks. Makes it hard for me to choose which one to pick. The 1.5X viewing on the O!Play is something I would definitely want though, but no 8GB .iso playback? What is this?

[Menace]

How so? You keep saying RMVB is important, O!Play is the one then.


So it sounds like both players has its pros and cons.
This sucks. Makes it hard for me to choose which one to pick.

[hymack]

Anybody who has succesfully shared a drive that the WD will see with a Win 7 computer?

i am going crazy with this. i wont list everything i tried since this is not a technical forum but this is insane. my home network (multiple computers) can succesfully share the drives on the Win 7 pc but the WD cant .

i am having some success with the Media Server approach ( i can stream MP3 and AVI files) but no MKV (go figure)

and link to a good WD TV Live discussion forum for help?

I have the same issue, as many others do. Have you tried any of the posted FW's from the provided links?

[BandH]

I don't find any PQ difference between 3 boxes. I made sure I picked the right HDMI setting (720P/60Hze) for my 3 Samsung LCD TVs. I do like the remote control on WDTV Live. The buttons are firm and responsive. Menu Display on both O!Play and WDTV Live is little quicker than WDTV due their faster chip (400mhz/500mhz).

I have (had) them side by side, the original WDTV has a clearer more sharp and vibrant picture. The Live seems to have a red colour problem. What type of files are you trying? I am trying Transformers rev. of the fallen MKV 1080p aprox. 18GB file. I can see the difference. Also I am playing the Pixar short cartoons and I can see the REDS bleed (unless I turn colour down). Also divx/xvid doesn't look as pretty. :(


I think everybody is right, the first thing I noticed when I first played with my WDTV Live, was the upscalling of SD stuff. It seemed better on the original WDTV.

Agreed! Have you been able to compare the WDTV LIVE to the O!Play? I think I'll try it. ;)


Over in AVS Forums a lot of people are saying that the SD upscaling isn't as good as the WDTV1. Can you test that?

Tested and True!


For the record, I see ZERO difference between my WDTV 1 and WDTV Live and I watch lots of HD movies on a 120" projection screen - for what that is worth to anyone. What model of projector and screen are you using?


Why would anyone want to buy the Live if the PQ is worse? The Live has more potential. More features. Synch is on cue! WDTV...buggie, but it does have a better picture. In my opinion. :D


I don't think anyone is saying the PQ is worse, they are saying upconverting is worse. So if you only watch HD files you won't care. I am saying both are worse on the WDTV LIVE. WDTV definitely has a better picture...with all files that I tried.:cry:

[Free Willy]

What's the advantage of HDMI 1.3 versus the HDMI on the original WDTV?

[Civuck]

What model of projector and screen are you using?Optoma HD65 - another RFD find! - with an Elunevision 120" motorized screen.

[CalgaryJeremyK]

Although this isn't a post about the deal, I just returned the WDTV Live I bought last week.

I liked the idea of the unit but it was just too buggy - I had to unplug it from its power source a number of times when it got hung up and couldn't find my network share, it had problems with certain videos and would occasionally just do weird things.

Memory express only has a 7 day return policy so I didn't want to wait to see when, or if, Western Digital was going to fix their firmware and based on a search of various forums, I am not the only one with these problems.

I am now debating what to replace it with - I am thinking of an AppleTV 40GB refurb with XMBC but I heard mixed results as to how well that works also. For now my ancient P4 2.0Ghz computer continues to stream video from my main system.

[razors]

Could anyone please stop post deals on these things. I've already gone broke after purchased Asus O!Play, WDTV Live and hard drives :cheesygri:D:cheesygri:D

I hear you brother! I seem to have that affliction as well. Got to sell my original WDTV now. Now I am looking at picking up a DNS-323 as well.


So it sounds like both players has its pros and cons.
This sucks. Makes it hard for me to choose which one to pick. The 1.5X viewing on the O!Play is something I would definitely want though, but no 8GB .iso playback? What is this?

I really like the play back features on the oplay. I have not tried the new firmware which I hear fixes the sub title issues.

Personally I did not think I needed the network features with the original WDTV. Though I am seeing the usefulness with the oplay and live. Just being able to browse the drive while it is playing a video is really useful.

[mark_in_2k]

I am now debating what to replace it with - I am thinking of an AppleTV 40GB refurb with XMBC but I heard mixed results as to how well that works also.If you want high-def, then stay away from the AppleTV as it can't handle 1080p and can only handle 720p at 24 fps.

[carldufourm]

Agreed! Have you been able to compare the WDTV LIVE to the O!Play? I think I'll try it. ;)

No I haven't, I don't own an O!Play. But now that stream everything from the network with my WDTV Live, I love it and am thinking of buying the O!Play for doing the same thing in my room. I already stream SD stuff from my 360 in my room, but there is no MKV or subtitles support on it! Next time I see a a deal on the O!Play (around 100$), I'll buy it for sure!

[alain]

I have the same issue, as many others do. Have you tried any of the posted FW's from the provided links?

i have tried all i could find on the discussions forums. i simply cannot share drives with the WD Live with a Win 7 computer (those shares otherwise work fine in my network)

the only thing i can see on the network is the Media servers only for some files like MP3s(music) and AVIs(Video) . MKV cannot be streamed.

i give up for now . i just connected a removable USB drive(local drive) yesterday and it worked fine with an MKV movie. Until this networking mess is fixed via firmware, the WD Live is not much different from my WD TV(DTS now works on the Live...)

[Civuck]

i have tried all i could find on the discussions forums. i simply cannot share drives with the WD Live with a Win 7 computer (those shares otherwise work fine in my network)

the only thing i can see on the network is the Media servers only for some files like MP3s(music) and AVIs(Video) . MKV cannot be streamed.

i give up for now . i just connected a removable USB drive(local drive) yesterday and it worked fine with an MKV movie. Until this networking mess is fixed via firmware, the WD Live is not much different from my WD TV(DTS now works on the Live...)Typically the first firmware update for these devices addresses a long list of issues. After that, things have a tendency of getting fixed->then broken->then fixed... with subsequent updates.

[hymack]

i have tried all i could find on the discussions forums. i simply cannot share drives with the WD Live with a Win 7 computer (those shares otherwise work fine in my network)

the only thing i can see on the network is the Media servers only for some files like MP3s(music) and AVIs(Video) . MKV cannot be streamed.

i give up for now . i just connected a removable USB drive(local drive) yesterday and it worked fine with an MKV movie. Until this networking mess is fixed via firmware, the WD Live is not much different from my WD TV(DTS now works on the Live...)

They didn't work for me either. I think they got it working for NFS shares, but that is for linux. Mines does read the MKV files of my USB stick fine, but I have some files that are larger than 4.4GB, and no NTFS usb key to put them on. I'll wait for new FW i guess...

[Civuck]

They didn't work for me either. I think they got it working for NFS shares, but that is for linux. Mines does read the MKV files of my USB stick fine, but I have some files that are larger than 4.4GB, and no NTFS usb key to put them on. I'll wait for new FW i guess...Do you mean you don't have a USB stick with enough capacity? If you do have a large enough USB flash drive, any of them can be formatted for NTFS to handle 4GB+ files.

[hymack]

Do you mean you don't have a USB stick with enough capacity? If you do have a large enough USB flash drive, any of them can be formatted for NTFS to handle 4GB+ files.

I have a 16GB stick, but have critical work files encrypted on it and don't feel like going out to get a small 8GB stick just to get the MKV files to play. I can wait a few weeks...I'm sure the hackers will have a workaround by then!

[ppl4golf]

Get a cheapie 160GB 2.5" external HDD...some will be available for $50 or so.

In the 'I want everything HD' world, jump drives are absolutely impractical. Too small capacity and too slow.

[Nokialuna]

where is a good place to get cheap portable hard drives?

I can't seem to find anything in the 50 dollar range....

[hymack]

Get a cheapie 160GB 2.5" external HDD...some will be available for $50 or so.

In the 'I want everything HD' world, jump drives are absolutely impractical. Too small capacity and too slow.

I'm probably going to get a dual drive backup soon, or if Drobo would come out with a new version of their system with built in networking I would jump on that in an instant! Probably, I'll go with a Dlink 323 toaster in the end.

[shadow_cruiser]

FYI, the WDTV Live was rushed out of beta phase too fast. I adressed the Windows 7 network issue with one of the project managers when we first received our beta units. The beta phase for the wdtv live was only 3 weeks, compared to the beta phase of 2 months for another WD entertainment device. I can't say anything else really as it will break my NDA but suffice to say, there are still lots of bugs left in the beta tracking system which still need to fixed

[Formula 1]

I purchased the WDTV Live a week ago and I tried both the stock firmware and the third party firmware. The Live finds the shared folders from the XP machines and I can view a video file but after 5 minutes or less I get network problems and I have to reboot to get access to the network. The third party firmware does not even show anything on my network at all. I am using two WRT54G routers in a wireless bridge configuration with DD-WRT firmware on both. I am very disappointed with the WDTV Live because I only purchased it for the network access and the streaming capabilities. Any suggestions or helpful hints for me to try. I guess I can test a wireless adaptor connected to the USB port or a really long ethernet cable.

[mark_in_2k]

FYI, the WDTV Live was rushed out of beta phase too fast. I adressed the Windows 7 network issue with one of the project managers when we first received our beta units. The beta phase for the wdtv live was only 3 weeks, compared to the beta phase of 2 months for another WD entertainment device. I can't say anything else really as it will break my NDA but suffice to say, there are still lots of bugs left in the beta tracking system which still need to fixedThat's very interesting to note, thanks for the info. I guess they're trying to compete with the O!Play which launched 1st so they skipped on the beta testing.

[ppl4golf]

The network glitch is getting ridiculous. I have no problem circumventing it because I have HTPCs connected to every big display in the house which I can use instead. However, many bought it as a low cost front end. This WDTV-Live is supposed to be network capable and to crash randomly is just not acceptable.

So far, I am not impressing anyone but myself with my WDTV-Live (actually got yelled at by my wife more than once LOL). But now, the novelty factor is starting to wear off and now I want it to work all the time like it's supposed to.

I'll start to rant a lot more if it's not resolved in a month :)

[Phantasm]

Got my WDTV Live yesterday and started to play around with it for a couple hours ... I can't seem to get the video looking right on my Optoma HD65 projector.

With the default video settings using HDMI there were some odd looking artifacts in the picture.

Its a 720p projector so I went into the HDMI config and set it to 720p/60hz and now artifacts are gone, but the whole screen shakes around slightly as if there was a constant earthquake happening. Anyone know what this is and how to fix it?

[Civuck]

Got my WDTV Live yesterday and started to play around with it for a couple hours ... I can't seem to get the video looking right on my Optoma HD65 projector.

With the default video settings using HDMI there were some odd looking artifacts in the picture.

Its a 720p projector so I went into the HDMI config and set it to 720p/60hz and now artifacts are gone, but the whole screen shakes around slightly as if there was a constant earthquake happening. Anyone know what this is and how to fix it?I have an Optoma HD65 projector also. I had to set the WDTV Live to 720p/60hz specifically rather than to AUTO (like the old WDTV) because it identified the projector as being 1080p. It is 1080p compatible but displays 720p native. This made quite a difference in sharpness.

I've also had some issues which I'm not sure are related to the projector or the WDTV Live. A few times the unit started in what appeared like an 8-color display mode and was evident right away with the startup splash screen. The only way to fix this I have found is to unplug the WDTV Live power and HDMI cable. Might be a handshaking issue between the two devices.

Fortunately I have only had 2 unknown resets with WDTV Live while network browsing - for the most part it has been solid after about 10 - 12 hours of viewing material since purchase.

[Civuck]

To the people having network issues and the Win7 folks unable to connect to their shares...

What are your results using a PC software-based media server like TVersity to share your folders rather than connecting directly with SMB?

This is the Media Server option versus the Network Shares option when browsing videos on the WDTV Live.

[hymack]

To the people having network issues and the Win7 folks unable to connect to their shares...

What are your results using a PC software-based media server like TVersity to share your folders rather than connecting directly with SMB?

This is the Media Server option versus the Network Shares option when browsing videos on the WDTV Live.

I haven't tried that yet. I won't be able to try until tomorrow, but I'll post the results.

[Azenha]

Finally hooked my unit up yesterday night using an HDMI cable. Thus far I have a few issues:

1. - Non of my WMV videos will play.
2. - AVI videos which were recorded at 720p play in slow motion only
3. - I have absolutely no audio on any files (video, MP3, etc) when using HDMI

I'm not very impressed thus far. Only MPG files appear to play properly. Possibly a faulty unit. I'll have to call WD Tech Support tonight.

[w11x22]

Finally hooked my unit up yesterday night using an HDMI cable. Thus far I have a few issues:

1. - Non of my WMV videos will play.
2. - AVI videos which were recorded at 720p play in slow motion only
3. - I have absolutely no audio on any files (video, MP3, etc) when using HDMI

I'm not very impressed thus far. Only MPG files appear to play properly. Possibly a faulty unit. I'll have to call WD Tech Support tonight.

Don't for get that HDMI Ver1 does not support audio (only video). Audio is only supported after Ver 1 when you connect through HDMI....

[Free Willy]

How do you tell which wireless adapters are compatible with the WDTV Live?

[BandH]

Finally hooked my unit up yesterday night using an HDMI cable. Thus far I have a few issues:

1. - Non of my WMV videos will play.
2. - AVI videos which were recorded at 720p play in slow motion only
3. - I have absolutely no audio on any files (video, MP3, etc) when using HDMI

I'm not very impressed thus far. Only MPG files appear to play properly. Possibly a faulty unit. I'll have to call WD Tech Support tonight.

If you have the WDTV LIVE:

1.) I tried a smaller 2 MB WMV. I have not tried any of my larger 8+GB WMVs. I ll let you know when I do.

2.) My "HD" 720 p avis play eh o-kay!

3.) Goto settings > Audio/Video Go down to bottom...if it says digital, change it to stereo. ;) That will allow you to hear your audio through your TV with a hdmi cable. (down convert)

[Azenha]

Don't for get that HDMI Ver1 does not support audio (only video). Audio is only supported after Ver 1 when you connect through HDMI....

Hmmm... I did not know that. The LCD TV that I'm using was bought about three years ago. It might have a v1 HDMI port on it. I'll have to try the WDTV Live on another TV and see if that resolves the no-audio issue. Thanks for the info.


If you have the WDTV LIVE:

1.) I tried a smaller 2 MB WMV. I have not tried any of my larger 8+GB WMVs. I ll let you know when I do.

2.) My "HD" 720 p avis play eh o-kay!

3.) Goto settings > Audio/Video Go down to bottom...if it says digital, change it to stereo. ;) That will allow you to hear your audio through your TV with a hdmi cable. (down convert)

1. - Tries large and small files. Non will play.
2. - I'm using a powerline Ethernet adapter running at a throughput of about 65mbps (according to the monitoring software). I'll try a direct Ethernet connection later tonight to see if this might resolve the problem.
3. - I've already tried both Stereo and Digital. No sound on either, but it might be the v1 issue noted above. I'll try on a different TV tonight.

[RedFlagRobot]

Don't for get that HDMI Ver1 does not support audio (only video). Audio is only supported after Ver 1 when you connect through HDMI....

This is not true. HDMI version 1.0 supports 8 channels of audio. It did not support bitstreaming TrueHD and DTS-HD until 1.3 though.

[Wrocky]

This link (http://www.audioholics.com/education/display-formats-technology/understanding-difference-hdmi-versions) explains the difference between HDMI versions.

Version 1.0 definately supported Audio

[Azenha]

This link (http://www.audioholics.com/education/display-formats-technology/understanding-difference-hdmi-versions) explains the difference between HDMI versions.

Version 1.0 definately supported Audio

Nice summary page...

[VanillaPep]

So what's the latest best deal for this unit?

[yangxu]

Does downmix happen only when it's a .mkv file with DTS audio? Or is it applicable to formats like .ts, etc.?

[BandH]

So what's the latest best deal for this unit?

I got Best Buy to match Canada Computers for $125.xx + tax


Does downmix happen only when it's a .mkv file with DTS audio? Or is it applicable to formats like .ts, etc.?

Only when you set it to STEREO in the Settings>Audio Video Settings> Audio Output> Stereo (for downmix through HDMI) and Digital Via Optical Toslink Cable for DTS.

[yangxu]

Only when you set it to STEREO in the Settings>Audio Video Settings> Audio Output> Stereo (for downmix through HDMI) and Digital Via Optical Toslink Cable for DTS.

Thanks for the reply. So setting it to stereo will enable downmix on file types (with DTS audio) other than mkv as well?

[ppl4golf]

where is a good place to get cheap portable hard drives?

I can't seem to find anything in the 50 dollar range....

The cheapie HDD below goes on sale every so often for $50. I'd probably get something sleek and >320GB for $80 or so.

http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=021869&cid=HDD.342

[Free Willy]

How do you tell which wireless adapters are compatible with the WDTV Live?
No one knows? :(

[Nokialuna]

The list was posted by someone previously. I am looking for one myself but everything on here is over $50 (too much for me...).

Manufacturer Model # Device Name
Belkin F5D8055 N1 Wireless USB adapter
Belkin F5D8051 N1 Wireless USB adapter
Buffalo WLI-UC-G300HP Wireless N compact USB 2.0 Adapter
Buffalo WLI-UC-G300N Wireless N compact USB 2.0 Adapter
Buffalo WLI-UC-GN Mini
D-Link DWA-140 Rangebooster N USB Adapter
EnGenius EUB-9701 Wireless N adapter
Linksys WUSB100 Rangeplus wireless network usb adapter
Linksys WUSB600N Wireless-N USB network adapter with dual-band
Trendnet TEW-644UB Wireless N USB adapter
Trendnet TEW-645UB Wireless N USB adapter
Trendnet TEW-664UB 300Mbps Dual Band WirelessN USB Adapter
Sitecom WL-329 Wireless Dualband USB Adapter

[Viz79]

No one knows? :(

FYI, Canada Computers has the WDTV Live! bundled with the D-Link DWA-140 RangeBooster N USB Adapter (http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowBundle&cmd=pd&pid=026451&cid=VID) for $195 and the Linksys WUSB600N Dual-Band Wireless N USB Adapter (http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowBundle&cmd=pd&pid=026452&cid=VID) for $199.

I would assume both are compatible with the WDTV Live! ;)

~V79~

[rvd]

Just throwing this out there for fun.

http://www.amazon.com/Patriot-Office-Definition-Player-PCMPBO25/dp/B002Q4U9PY/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1255973621&sr=8-4

[BandH]

Just throwing this out there for fun.

http://www.amazon.com/Patriot-Office-Definition-Player-PCMPBO25/dp/B002Q4U9PY/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1255973621&sr=8-4

That is a pretty good deal! ;)

[mark_in_2k]

Just throwing this out there for fun.

http://www.amazon.com/Patriot-Office-Definition-Player-PCMPBO25/dp/B002Q4U9PY/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1255973621&sr=8-4


That is a pretty good deal! ;)You realize that's the US site, not Canadian. Try ordering it for shipping to Canada.

Also, there's a lot of media players out there but it's the support and FW updates from the manufacturer that make the product, not just another 1080p media player.

[Free Willy]

FYI, Canada Computers has the WDTV Live! bundled with the D-Link DWA-140 RangeBooster N USB Adapter (http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowBundle&cmd=pd&pid=026451&cid=VID) for $195 and the Linksys WUSB600N Dual-Band Wireless N USB Adapter (http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowBundle&cmd=pd&pid=026452&cid=VID) for $199.

I would assume both are compatible with the WDTV Live! ;)

~V79~
Interesting. I'll be sure to take a look. Thanks for the heads up. :)

The list was posted by someone previously. I am looking for one myself but everything on here is over $50 (too much for me...).

Manufacturer Model # Device Name
Belkin F5D8055 N1 Wireless USB adapter
Belkin F5D8051 N1 Wireless USB adapter
Buffalo WLI-UC-G300HP Wireless N compact USB 2.0 Adapter
Buffalo WLI-UC-G300N Wireless N compact USB 2.0 Adapter
Buffalo WLI-UC-GN Mini
D-Link DWA-140 Rangebooster N USB Adapter
EnGenius EUB-9701 Wireless N adapter
Linksys WUSB100 Rangeplus wireless network usb adapter
Linksys WUSB600N Wireless-N USB network adapter with dual-band
Trendnet TEW-644UB Wireless N USB adapter
Trendnet TEW-645UB Wireless N USB adapter
Trendnet TEW-664UB 300Mbps Dual Band WirelessN USB Adapter
Sitecom WL-329 Wireless Dualband USB Adapter
Yeah, I saw that, but I was hoping someone would know how to tell which are compatible so I can look for cheaper alternatives. :)

[Hankenstein]

Just to share my experence, my WDTV Live has been flawless with a USB Hard Drive / Flash drive and also with a wired network connection.

I also purchased a Linksys WUSB600N, but have not been able to make it work reliably. It will start playing, but if I try to shuttle through the video, it locks up and loses it's network connection.

Just a warning. I would hold off buying the USB-wireless adapter until WD releases a newer firmware version which hopefully fixes the problem.

[Civuck]

Custom firmware update from B-Rad here (http://b-rad.cc/1000/wdtv-live-homebrew-firmware-development).

[BandH]

Does anyone else get a 'not so smooth' video playback?

I have been comparing the LG370 BR player with the WDTV2 and noticed the WDTV2 is not as smooth.

I still love the WDTV2. :)

[Vinman]

Any idea when Costco is going to get stock?

[Menace]

I was over there yesterday. They still have a couple of skids of WDTVs :cheesygri:D I don't think they will have them soon. Probably around X-mas?


Any idea when Costco is going to get stock?

[Quack]

I had one of these before and It was ok but I had a few problems with sound. I sold it and got a PS3 slim. The PS3 will do everything that thing does but better and play blue rays / games.

[Menace]

PS3 doesn't do us "green" ;)

I don't know about you, I love my Planet Earth :D:cheesygri



I had one of these before and It was ok but I had a few problems with sound. I sold it and got a PS3 slim. The PS3 will do everything that thing does but better and play blue rays / games.

[macaximx]

I had one of these before and It was ok but I had a few problems with sound. I sold it and got a PS3 slim. The PS3 will do everything that thing does but better and play blue rays / games.

Your PS3 plays mkv files? ;)

[RedFlagRobot]

I had one of these before and It was ok but I had a few problems with sound. I sold it and got a PS3 slim. The PS3 will do everything that thing does but better and play blue rays / games.

Yes, the PS3 does everything except play mkvs. Which is the main reason to buy one of these. So, yeah, twice the price and missing the main feature.

[yu130960]

Yes, the PS3 does everything except plak mkvs. Which is the main reason to buy one of these. So, yeah, twice the price and missing the main feature.

Not playing .mkvs for me is fatal. Virtually everything is mkv, so that PS3 would be a giant paper weight over here.

[Badder]

Not just mkv. The PS3 is a crippled media player. By itself, it only plays about the same formats as a $40 dvd player with divx support.

I can't believe people are still comparing the PS3 to dedicated media players like the WDTV-Live. By all means, stick to a PS3 if you'll be playing games AND are willing to setup a transcoding server AND your PC is powerful enough to do transcoding. Moreover, the PC will need to be even more powerful if someone is using it while it's transcoding+streaming to the PS3.

[Vinman]

I can't believe people are still comparing the PS3 to dedicated media players like the WDTV-Live.

What can you say, they're fanboys.

[yu130960]

I had one of these before and It was ok but I had a few problems with sound. I sold it and got a PS3 slim. The PS3 will do everything that thing does but better and play blue rays / games.

I like your nick. ;)

[Limech]

The PS3 is a crippled media player. By itself, it only plays about the same formats as a $40 dvd player with divx support.

Amen, amazingly enough my XBox 360 plays much more of my files than the PS3 does.

So, is the verdict out? O!Play or WD TV Live?

[jjwhoa]

Hope Costco gets it in soon so i can return the old on i bought a couple weeks ago for this

[Civuck]

Amen, amazingly enough my XBox 360 plays much more of my files than the PS3 does.

So, is the verdict out? O!Play or WD TV Live?I wonder why Sony and Microsoft refuse to implement MKV support into their consoles - it would certainly be a hit. I figured once they put in DivX/Xvid support, it would only be a matter of time before MKV showed up as well.

Either way, it's considerably more energy efficient to run one of the smaller dedicated media boxes like the WDTV than a big console for movie watching.

[BandH]

I wonder why Sony and Microsoft refuse to implement MKV support into their consoles - it would certainly be a hit. I figured once they put in DivX/Xvid support, it would only be a matter of time before MKV showed up as well.

Either way, it's considerably more energy efficient to run one of the smaller dedicated media boxes like the WDTV than a big console for movie watching.

They also would each need to support NTFS. ;)

[hymack]

Anyone get b-rad's FW to load Win7 shares? Mine's still not working, but one of the main sites with thread help is down.

[MidnightWatcher]

Amen, amazingly enough my XBox 360 plays much more of my files than the PS3 does.

So, is the verdict out? O!Play or WD TV Live?
Xtreamer. :)

[Menace]

No, God created man and woman. Therefore both Asus O!Play and WDTV Live are winners and I love them :cheesygri:D

Seriously, O!Play is little better than WDTV Live.

1) DVD Menu/Chapter support.
2) RMVB support
3) 2 USB ports or 1 USB & 1 eSata port.
4) Better network connectivity (WDTV Live takes a bit longer to see all the networked computers/NAS)


Xtreamer. :)

[i-rui]

Your PS3 plays mkv files? ;)

mine does with the P33 media server software (it's free... google it for more info)

You do have to have a capable computer to transcode and stream the files to it, but i'm able to play 95% of the files i've tried. (with DTS, AC3, 1080p....)

A wired connection is needed for 1080p.

[RedFlagRobot]

mine does with the P33 media server software (it's free... google it for more info)

You do have to have a capable computer to transcode and stream the files to it, but i'm able to play 95% of the files i've tried. (with DTS, AC3, 1080p....)


My monitor plays mkv files too. All it needs is a capable computer and an HDMI cable. It's handled 100% of the files I've tried ;)

[i-rui]

^^whatever.... i'm just putting out that info for people with a PS3 who want the ability to stream media to it....for free. Anyone saying a PS3 can't play Mkvs is wrong.

If you want to use a stand alone unit , by all means i'm sure the WDTV is great.

[Civuck]

They also would each need to support NTFS. ;)Yes, for a local USB drive. But for streaming MKVs off a network, file system doesn't matter (my NAS file system is XFS which my WDTV Live streams from).

[Vinman]

My monitor plays mkv files too. All it needs is a capable computer and an HDMI cable. It's handled 100% of the files I've tried ;)

LOL - the Sony fanboys get PWNED yet again! :lol:

[Vinman]

I was over there yesterday. They still have a couple of skids of WDTVs :cheesygri:D I don't think they will have them soon.

Same here, and our local Costco had a pile of legacy WDTV's, which obviously were gathering dust. This weekend, I asked a CSR when the new WDTV Live models would be in, and he said "probably when we're done selling the old ones".

If this stupidity keeps up, only antique hunters will be Costco members. :evil:

[i-rui]

LOL - the Sony fanboys get PWNED yet again! :lol:

wow

you're really quite the *********. I never said the WDTV live is bad. Just letting people know that a PS3 can have a lot of extra functionality if they have it networked to their computer (which a lot of people are doing anyway with the WDTV live)

It's free software, and if someone has a PS3 already they can try it out for themselves.

http://ps3mediaserver.blogspot.com/

[MooseTits]

Don't you need a computer though to run the PS3 Media Server software? And wouldn't you need to have it wired to the network if you wanted to play 1080p HD content?

I already have a PS3 (which I'll probably end up selling now) but having the WDTV Live stream content from my NAS hard-drive, which are both wired to my router under my TV, just seems to make more sense. I'm a minimalist and if I don't have to run a computer to watch movies, that makes me happy. Am I the only one?

[Vinman]

you're really quite the *********.

Well, if I'm a *********, then you must be the dumbest person walking the face of the Earth. The OP PWNED you bad, as he rightfully outlined that you can do the EXACT SAME thing with a PC and a monitor, and getting rid of the (useless) PS3 in that idiotic chain. :lol:

It was hilarious, and you'd be better served to laugh at your own ineptitude, rather than getting mad. I own all current gen game consoles and NONE of them even approach the functionality of a dedicated HD player like the WDTV. Add 50 PCs for transcoding, rewire your house for HD networking, whatever - it still won't equal a totally-silent, tiny little black box.

That's a FACT and you just need to live with it.

[RedFlagRobot]

Just letting people know that a PS3 can have a lot of extra functionality if they have it networked to their computer (which a lot of people are doing anyway with the WDTV live)


Yes, it can have extra functionality, but a lot of people try to make it sound as if "transcoding" and "playing" are the same thing. They are not. A PS3, with a computer or not, cannot play .mkv files. It can play streamed, transcoded files from a powerful-enough computer that is networked. That might be fine for some people, but many want to play the file directly and not transcode. Especially if they want a unit that is portable or don't want to be running two powerful machines at once to watch a movie.

Frankly I think the console companies should be embarassed that people are resorting to $100 plastic boxes to fill a need their expensive, powerful "entertainment devices" cannot.

[CodecX81]

Frankly I think the console companies should be embarassed that people are resorting to $100 plastic boxes to fill a need their expensive, powerful "entertainment devices" cannot.

+1 SO TRUE!

My brother took an entire suitcase of DVDs and a portable DVD player with him to Australia for a year. I told him before he left, it'd be a lot simpler just to get a media player, convert the DVDs to AVI or something and not lug all that with him.

He scoffed at my idea.

When he got back, I showed him my WDTV hooked up to a 1TB hard drive. He was being reluctant to show any interest at first.. then I plugged a wifi adapter into it and started to share off my PC. That got his attention :)

Now...I hope WD continues support on this.. if enough people cry for DVD ISO support, (and I guess RMVB?) this thing would dominate!

Has anyone tried to see if VOB files from DVD ISO's play?

[liujason]

Does WDTV Live support 1.5T Mac OS Extended HDD? I'm using a Mac, NTFS is not an option for me. Thanks!

[bluetea]

you guys are so cute, fighting over wdtv live vs ps3
absolutely adorable!

[supergenius]

Does WDTV Live support 1.5T Mac OS Extended HDD? I'm using a Mac, NTFS is not an option for me. Thanks!

Yes it does. My Samsung 1.5T is formatted as Mac OS Extended and it works fine.

[Badder]

Yes, it can have extra functionality, but a lot of people try to make it sound as if "transcoding" and "playing" are the same thing. They are not. A PS3, with a computer or not, cannot play .mkv files. It can play streamed, transcoded files from a powerful-enough computer that is networked.

I couldn't have said it better myself. The PS3 could've been a wonderful media player, but Sony crippled it intentionally to force consumers to buy Bluray discs. Other than the basic divx/xvid files, the PS3 doesn't play much else. It doesn't support subtitles either (a $40 dvd/divx player does). In short, the PS3 is currently just a "stream catcher" (a la Slingbox) and depends on a powerful PC for live transcoding.

No need for a flame war, though. I think i-rui was posting with the good intention of sharing his experience with the PMS software.

[i-rui]

Well, if I'm a *********, then you must be the dumbest person walking the face of the Earth. The OP PWNED you bad, as he rightfully outlined that you can do the EXACT SAME thing with a PC and a monitor, and getting rid of the (useless) PS3 in that idiotic chain. :lol:

No it's not the same thing. The difference is the PS3 can be in a different room, or different floor of a house, and you can wirelessly stream to it (or if you need 1080p with stream with a cat5e cable).

Douche.


Yes, it can have extra functionality, but a lot of people try to make it sound as if "transcoding" and "playing" are the same thing. They are not. A PS3, with a computer or not, cannot play .mkv files. It can play streamed, transcoded files from a powerful-enough computer that is networked. That might be fine for some people, but many want to play the file directly and not transcode. Especially if they want a unit that is portable or don't want to be running two powerful machines at once to watch a movie.

I would never pretend it's the same thing. All i was saying is that many people were planning to network the WDTV live to their computers anyway, so if they had a PS3 already they could try out the free software to see if it fills their niche.

I totally understand for some people that's not an option or desirable. Hell, down the road i'll probably pick up a WDTV live (or equivalent box) but for now i'm happy with this software solution, and i just wanted to share my experience.

[Daijoubu]

No it's not the same thing. The difference is the PS3 can be in a different room, or different floor of a house, and you can wirelessly stream to it (or if you need 1080p with stream with a cat5e cable).

Douche.



I would never pretend it's the same thing. All i was saying is that many people were planning to network the WDTV live to their computers anyway, so if they had a PS3 already they could try out the free software to see if it fills their niche.

I totally understand for some people that's not an option or desirable. Hell, down the road i'll probably pick up a WDTV live (or equivalent box) but for now i'm happy with this software solution, and i just wanted to share my experience.

Transcoding means loss of quality too, not to mention tons of processing power (which may or may not be available)

[Phantasm]

Got my WDTV Live yesterday and started to play around with it for a couple hours ... I can't seem to get the video looking right on my Optoma HD65 projector.

With the default video settings using HDMI there were some odd looking artifacts in the picture.

Its a 720p projector so I went into the HDMI config and set it to 720p/60hz and now artifacts are gone, but the whole screen shakes around slightly as if there was a constant earthquake happening. Anyone know what this is and how to fix it?

Update:

In case anyone else experiences similar problem as I was having, it turns out that the new HDMI cable I got from Monoprice was defective and causing my video issues. I replaced the cable with a different one from my Blu Ray player and it works great now.

[VanillaPep]

OOS @ canada computers

[puppydg68]

Transcoding means loss of quality too, not to mention tons of processing power (which may or may not be available)

Here is the real deal, I have both WDTV and PS3.. While they are in different price points here is my comparison.

I use both units to stream Media content over the network to different locations in the house.. PS3 is my priamry media device and WDTV was the budget choice for streaming media to other locations in the house.

PS3 has superior picture quality to the WDTV and a very nice fast interface especially when using PS3 Media Server.

PS3 will play MKV files when using PS3Media Server and in 95% of the cases will not consume CPU or loss of quality because it's not actually Transcoding. PS3 Media Server uses an app called TSMuxer which will take a "Compliant" MKV and just Remuxes it so it plays on PS3, this does not incurr any sort of Quality Loss. The Remux process takes the same raw video/audio data and presents it in a format that PS3 recognizes. If the PS3 Media Server comes across an incompliant MKV ie. with Level5 AVC encoding, it will transcode(Re-encode to a PS3 compatible format) the video to Mpeg 2 which will consume CPU and a slight quality loss. However this is only for about 5% of the videos i've tested.. Just look for AVC Level 4.1 and PS3 will play it with no loss of quality.

PS3 using PS3Media Server will play DTS audio through the bitstream, if you do not have a DTS compatible receiver you can set a setting in PS3 Media Server to re-encode DTS audio to AC3, which will consume a little CPU however picture and quality will not suffer.. it just ensures higher compatibility.

PS3 in order to play MKV's with Subtitles on, will require you to set a flag in PS3 Media Server that will re-encode the video to include the subtitles, this will result in CPU usage and slight quality loss. This is usually only an issue for the anime or forgien film fan.

WDTV using b-rad.cc firmware and a network adapter, Can play more types of MKV's and allow you to switch audio tracks, and turn and change subtitles without any type of quality loss.

WDTV currently does not Downmix DTS to stereo or AC3, if you do not have a DTS receiver and play an MKV with DTS audio you will hear nothing.. This is a feature of WDTV Live.

WDTV picture quality is pretty good, however i find PS3 processes picture a little better. WDTV sometimes has had some rare audio sync problems with certain MKV's.. I have not experience that with PS3.

Summary:
PS3 with PS3 Media Server
Pros:
Higher Quality Video
DTS downmixing via PS3 Media Server Checkbox
Dynamic fast Thumbnail Creation for Video Library
Fast interface
Support: MPEG, MPEG2, AVI/DIVX/Xvid, some WMV, M2TS, MTS, AVCHD, AVC MKV Level 4

Cons:
Subtitles in MKV not supported (Must transcode for Subtitles uses CPU and slightly lowered quality)
Can not play AVC L5 mkv's natively files must be transcoded by PS3 Media Server.
Less file format support.

WDTV with B-rad firmware and USB Network Adapter

Pros:
Plays most types of MKV's including AVC L5
Plays a few more file formats
Subtitle and alternate audio track switching with no quality loss and on the fly
Support: MPEG, MPEG2, AVI/DIVX/Xvid, WMV(some audio problems), M2TS, MTS, AVCHD, AVC MKV Level 4 and 5

Cons:
No DTS audio downmixing
Slower, sluggish interface
Slightly lower PQ than PS3

Hope this helps clarify.

[mark_in_2k]

:arrowu::arrowu::cool:That's a great write up puppy. Extrememly informative. That should help educate a few more people in the PS3 streaming camp.

[bluetea]

thanks for the post. can you describe exactly how the ps3's PQ is superior?

Here is the real deal, I have both WDTV and PS3.. While they are in different price points here is my comparison.

I use both units to stream Media content over the network to different locations in the house.. PS3 is my priamry media device and WDTV was the budget choice for streaming media to other locations in the house.

PS3 has superior picture quality to the WDTV and a very nice fast interface especially when using PS3 Media Server.

PS3 will play MKV files when using PS3Media Server and in 95% of the cases will not consume CPU or loss of quality because it's not actually Transcoding. PS3 Media Server uses an app called TSMuxer which will take a "Compliant" MKV and just Remuxes it so it plays on PS3, this does not incurr any sort of Quality Loss. The Remux process takes the same raw video/audio data and presents it in a format that PS3 recognizes. If the PS3 Media Server comes across an incompliant MKV ie. with Level5 AVC encoding, it will transcode(Re-encode to a PS3 compatible format) the video to Mpeg 2 which will consume CPU and a slight quality loss. However this is only for about 5% of the videos i've tested.. Just look for AVC Level 4.1 and PS3 will play it with no loss of quality.

PS3 using PS3Media Server will play DTS audio through the bitstream, if you do not have a DTS compatible receiver you can set a setting in PS3 Media Server to re-encode DTS audio to AC3, which will consume a little CPU however picture and quality will not suffer.. it just ensures higher compatibility.

PS3 in order to play MKV's with Subtitles on, will require you to set a flag in PS3 Media Server that will re-encode the video to include the subtitles, this will result in CPU usage and slight quality loss. This is usually only an issue for the anime or forgien film fan.

WDTV using b-rad.cc firmware and a network adapter, Can play more types of MKV's and allow you to switch audio tracks, and turn and change subtitles without any type of quality loss.

WDTV currently does not Downmix DTS to stereo or AC3, if you do not have a DTS receiver and play an MKV with DTS audio you will hear nothing.. This is a feature of WDTV Live.

WDTV picture quality is pretty good, however i find PS3 processes picture a little better. WDTV sometimes has had some rare audio sync problems with certain MKV's.. I have not experience that with PS3.

Summary:
PS3 with PS3 Media Server
Pros:
Higher Quality Video
DTS downmixing via PS3 Media Server Checkbox
Dynamic fast Thumbnail Creation for Video Library
Fast interface
Support: MPEG, MPEG2, AVI/DIVX/Xvid, some WMV, M2TS, MTS, AVCHD, AVC MKV Level 4

Cons:
Subtitles in MKV not supported (Must transcode for Subtitles uses CPU and slightly lowered quality)
Can not play AVC L5 mkv's natively files must be transcoded by PS3 Media Server.
Less file format support.

WDTV with B-rad firmware and USB Network Adapter

Pros:
Plays most types of MKV's including AVC L5
Plays a few more file formats
Subtitle and alternate audio track switching with no quality loss and on the fly
Support: MPEG, MPEG2, AVI/DIVX/Xvid, WMV(some audio problems), M2TS, MTS, AVCHD, AVC MKV Level 4 and 5

Cons:
No DTS audio downmixing
Slower, sluggish interface
Slightly lower PQ than PS3

Hope this helps clarify.

[ott_wrench]

thanks for the post. can you describe exactly how the ps3's PQ is superior?

There are a couple of reasons the PS3's PQ is better. The first being that it has a better video processing chip inside.

The second is due to the way the PS3 Media Server streams the video (and this is dependent on how you set it up). The mkv transcoding that was referred to can be accomplished because the mkv "format" is not a codec but rather a container. This mkv container wraps the audio and video streams into a single file.

The PS3 Media Server can be set up to "pass through" the video stream rather than re-encode it (most mkv's use the h.264 codec for their video streams which the PS3 can handle natively).

[cheebster]

Did you use net.mounts to manually mount your shares ? I'm using NFS shares on a 2k8 sbs server here, everything works as a charm.


Anyone get b-rad's FW to load Win7 shares? Mine's still not working, but one of the main sites with thread help is down.

[midnight1976]

Did you use net.mounts to manually mount your shares ? I'm using NFS shares on a 2k8 sbs server here, everything works as a charm.

www.newegg.ca has them for 129.00 right now, just ordered 1.

[eclips]

can mkv be fast forwarded/rewind?

My xbox 360 setup doesnt let me. If I hit back by mistake I have to restart the movie from the very beginning!

You should be able to enter the time, in minutes I believe, and hit play it should jump to that time in the video. A time and skip should skip forward by that amount.

[wrekkedmatt]

newegg.ca's 10% off Hard Drives code seems to be working for this, I just ordered and got my 10%.

Promo code: CEMCMLNW22

total for me came out to $143.52 CAD, including taxes and shipping.

[RDog]

newegg.ca's 10% off Hard Drives code seems to be working for this, I just ordered and got my 10%.

Promo code: CEMCMLNW22

total for me came out to $143.52 CAD, including taxes and shipping.

Damn, wish I saw your msg. about 10 mins. ago when I ordered one without a coupon... :)

Thanks anyway!

[yangxu]

Mmm... I tested out a bunch of different stuff, it seems like Live still has problems displaying some of the subtitles correctly, especially for fan-subbed animes. Sometimes the device gives the option of choosing the subtitle, sometimes the option isn't there, hence no subtitles, despite the fact that every episode is subbed by the same group the same way.

[superatragon]

newegg.ca's 10% off Hard Drives code seems to be working for this, I just ordered and got my 10%.

Promo code: CEMCMLNW22

total for me came out to $143.52 CAD, including taxes and shipping.

Thanks. I ordered one and it covers the cost of shipping and more. I was waiting for CC to restock but now I don't have to wait.

[BandH]

Update:

In case anyone else experiences similar problem as I was having, it turns out that the new HDMI cable I got from Monoprice was defective and causing my video issues. I replaced the cable with a different one from my Blu Ray player and it works great now.

I had a HDMI cable from monoprice that was defective too!

[puppydg68]

thanks for the post. can you describe exactly how the ps3's PQ is superior?

The PS3 is a much faster machine in general with it's processing power, it has better video hardware to decode bluray and it's using the same processing when playing H264 MKV files.. THe result is a slightly smoother picture especially with high bit-rate MKV files, I've noticed WDTV can sometimes drop a few frames.. As far as the picture, the PS3 seems to process colours slightly more true and seems a little sharper with less artifacting.. it all comes down to the content. Don't get my wrong WDTV is an amazing machine for the price and if you don't have a PS3 you won't have anything to compare to, so it will still look fabulous.

At the $299 price point, PS3 offers the blu-ray, built-in hard drive and ability to play PS3 games, in addition to its media abilities. It's in a different price class than wdtv, but offers a bunch of benefits. I know some people who use PS3 exclusively for home video entertainment and have never played a game on it, other than the free downloaded demos.

For the price I think WDTV is best of its class, and I'm looking to replace my WDTV with a WDTV Live now that the custom firmware is out.

[Badder]

I know some people who use PS3 exclusively for home video entertainment and have never played a game on it...

That was my intention, and I had been deeply disappointed. I'm a heavy user of "file-based" home cinema, and there are always a few things with the PS3 that annoy me (other than the differences in price and size):
1. subtitles
2. needs a powerful pc
3. DNLA crap
4. not firewall-friendly
However, all these are based on my own usage, compounded by the fact that I find discs too inconvenient (I'd rather buy a compressed 8GB BDRip mkv than a 25GB Bluray disc).

I'd recommend a PS3 to people who have a powerful transcoding pc and also want a Bluray reader. It's still a shame that such a powerful media player can't unleash its capabilities due to corporate greed.

[Pornosaur]

That was my intention, and I had been deeply disappointed. I'm a heavy user of "file-based" home cinema, and there are always a few things with the PS3 that annoy me (other than the differences in price and size):
1. subtitles
2. needs a powerful pc
3. DNLA crap
4. not firewall-friendly
However, all these are based on my own usage, compounded by the fact that I find discs too inconvenient (I'd rather buy a compressed 8GB BDRip mkv than a 25GB Bluray disc).

I'd recommend a PS3 to people who have a powerful transcoding pc and also want a Bluray reader. It's still a shame that such a powerful media player can't unleash its capabilities due to corporate greed.

Hey...I know what you mean about the subtitles thing...Tversity can't play subtitles for me..however.. I recently got this program and I use it whenever I need to play files that Tversity can't play or if the movie has a separate subtitles file.

It's called PS3MediaServer

http://ps3mediaserver.blogspot.com/

Check it out, it's worked great but I only use it to play movies with subtitles. For some reason, I still like Tversity. :D

[rsarwar]

That was my intention, and I had been deeply disappointed. I'm a heavy user of "file-based" home cinema, and there are always a few things with the PS3 that annoy me (other than the differences in price and size):
1. subtitles
2. needs a powerful pc
3. DNLA crap
4. not firewall-friendly
However, all these are based on my own usage, compounded by the fact that I find discs too inconvenient (I'd rather buy a compressed 8GB BDRip mkv than a 25GB Bluray disc).

I'd recommend a PS3 to people who have a powerful transcoding pc and also want a Bluray reader. It's still a shame that such a powerful media player can't unleash its capabilities due to corporate greed.

1. Something I have mentioned many times here with regards to subtitles and PS3 .. Try using the program AVIAddSubs which puts removable subtitles within the AVI. Meaning you can turn them on or off and multiple subtitles streams can be added. I have using this for a loooong time and it has always worked for me. The files however do not seem to work with WDTV, it requires seperate idx/sub files to work.

The program:
AVIAddSubs (http://www.calcitapp.com/AVIAddXSubs.php) << Click Here for their homepage.

2. To convert a MKV to AVI to be playable on a PS3 takes less than 5 mins with MKV2VOB ;) No powerful PC required.

BTW I have both WDTV and PS3 .. both are good in their own ways and if a file doesnt work on one it works on the other. I hate streaming movies.

[Vinman]

Dang, OOS at NewEgg. :evil:

[hymack]

Did you use net.mounts to manually mount your shares ? I'm using NFS shares on a 2k8 sbs server here, everything works as a charm.

PM sent

[Menace]

WDTV Live is a winner :D

Sorry buddy, my PS3 is a GAME console, not a ret@rded fanboy box :cheesygri


Dang, OOS at NewEgg. :evil:

[andreid]

FYI here is another one directly from China thus with probably weak future support. The specs seems to be good except the absence of any gigabit network: http://mp4nation.net/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=60&products_id=359

cheers

[RedFlagRobot]

FYI here is another one directly from China thus with probably weak future support. The specs seems to be good except the absence of any gigabit network: http://mp4nation.net/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=60&products_id=359

cheers

I think the only way any of these knock-offs is going to best the WDTV is if they deliver a killer interface. So far none of them has done that.

[mark_in_2k]

FYI here is another one directly from China thus with probably weak future support. The specs seems to be good except the absence of any gigabit network: http://mp4nation.net/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=60&products_id=359

cheersThe problem with the Chinese versions is that these units are dependent on firmware support and at least with a large company like WD you're going to get some bugs fixed, features added, etc. Plus the hacking / modding community will tweak the more popular devices, rather than the "wannabe's" from lesser companies.

[Vinman]

Weird - the WDTV Live is now a "Deactivated Item" on NewEgg... probably moving it from "hard drives" to a new category so we don't get the discount.

[Civuck]

I think the only way any of these knock-offs is going to best the WDTV is if they deliver a killer interface. So far none of them has done that.Yah - that seems to be the big weakness of them for sure. I think the WDTV series is much prettier in that regard.

[ppl4golf]

Not that I care or use...but if anyone is having high hope WD will add RMVB support to WDTV should wake up and look at something else. WD does have a 'Mini' that supports RM, so it is not rocket science for them to implement it. Nobody is going to buy that 'Mini' garbage if the regular WDTVs supports everything LOL.

Now, if they would get their act together and fix the damn network issues on the 'Live'. The funny things is I don't have any good alternatives as I am done with anything Asus. I would totally be a guinea pig again and get any crap brand if there is something that supports dead format like EVO in HD-DVDs. :cheesygri

[Badder]

... The funny things is I don't have any good alternatives as I am done with anything Asus.

Something went wrong with your O!Play?

Btw, sorry for going a little off-topic on yet another media player, but this one has really piqued my interest:

Mede8er MED500X
http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/09/22/the-mede8er-multimedia-monster-gets-reviewed/

Anyone knows how it compares to the WDTV Live?

[Civuck]

Now, if they would get their act together and fix the damn network issues on the 'Live'. What specifically?

[ppl4golf]

What specifically?

I get random dropouts from network shares. Not often but certainly annoying.
I believe various forums are littered with similar complaints.

[ppl4golf]

Something went wrong with your O!Play?

Btw, sorry for going a little off-topic on yet another media player, but this one has really piqued my interest:

Mede8er MED500X
http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/09/22/the-mede8er-multimedia-monster-gets-reviewed/

Anyone knows how it compares to the WDTV Live?

I said I wouldn't get anything Asus. Bad enough experience with their mobos LOL.

That rig looks succulent, fancy remote for sure. What's the price ??

[Badder]

I have no idea about the price. It seems to be available only in South Africa for now, in that country's currency. :confused:

[pmcd]

I have no idea about the price. It seems to be available only in South Africa for now, in that country's currency. :confused:

The mvix Ultio is similar and is available locally. I have one (and an O!Play+ WDTV2)). Basically all these things are similar.

philip

[Civuck]

I get random dropouts from network shares. Not often but certainly annoying.
I believe various forums are littered with similar complaints.What operating system is this from?

[lead]

I said I wouldn't get anything Asus. Bad enough experience with their mobos LOL.

That rig looks succulent, fancy remote for sure. What's the price ??

Look I hear you on the asus motherboard. I won't either. You know what I'm on my second dead gigabyte too and am starting to run out of options.

Anyway just grab the 0!play its good, cheap cost, has the rvmb and good networking and support. The asus forums have guys watching playon thru shares too. Nowhere as slick as my xbox/xbmc but nice. If your not watching hd rvmb then a modded 50 buck xbox will work too.

Then again that Mede8er MED500X sure seems to win right now with the nicest interface. Does it have imdb scrapers. Because it sure looks like it with the imdb score rating it shows. Very nice if its 100-150buck price its a winner.

[Phils]

I get random dropouts from network shares. Not often but certainly annoying.
I believe various forums are littered with similar complaints.

In Winxp, I see some network shares but not the one where I keep my media files even though sharing is turned on for that drive and folder. It's not that big a deal because I'm using TVersity and that works fine.

On another note, I copied a 1.6 GB file from the hard drive connected to my WDTV Live to my computer. It took about 4 minutes. I expected much worse.

[IntrepidRT]

Any clue if I can run internet radio stations such as 977 music off of this product?

[ppl4golf]

What operating system is this from?
2 Vista rigs.

Look I hear you on the asus motherboard. I won't either. You know what I'm on my second dead gigabyte too and am starting to run out of options.

Anyway just grab the 0!play its good, cheap cost, has the rvmb and good networking and support. The asus forums have guys watching playon thru shares too. Nowhere as slick as my xbox/xbmc but nice. If your not watching hd rvmb then a modded 50 buck xbox will work too.

Then again that Mede8er MED500X sure seems to win right now with the nicest interface. Does it have imdb scrapers. Because it sure looks like it with the imdb score rating it shows. Very nice if its 100-150buck price its a winner.
LOL
I am happy with my WDTV-Live mostly because it is a novelty for me. I don't think the WD can replace any of my HTPCs at all for my use even if the network has no glitch. As the novelty wears off, I think WD is just another BS company who rushes things out and thin on support. I am waiting for some fix. The network drop out always happens at the most critical time like I need to playback an ATSC recording for my wife.:o

In Winxp, I see some network shares but not the one where I keep my media files even though sharing is turned on for that drive and folder. It's not that big a deal because I'm using TVersity and that works fine.

On another note, I copied a 1.6 GB file from the hard drive connected to my WDTV Live to my computer. It took about 4 minutes. I expected much worse.

Most of my media are not on my XP machine so I am not paying enough attention. I also discovered another annoying thing, the initialization of USB drives is pretty slow, particular jump drives.

[betamaxman]

newegg.ca's 10% off Hard Drives code seems to be working for this, I just ordered and got my 10%.

Promo code: CEMCMLNW22

total for me came out to $143.52 CAD, including taxes and shipping.

Without the code, my price was $146.91 total and I am in pei. So not sure what new egg is doing but 10% off should of been something like $135 total for you at least.

[betamaxman]

Full roundup here (http://www.iboum.com/artkill/tablesort.php).
Thanks for that.
Also HDNation (http://revision3.com/hdnation) is promising a media players comparison in an upcoming episode, so keep an eye out for it.

[RedFlagRobot]

Anyone know how this would compare to using an ION nettop with something like XBMC? The Aspire Revo (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883103228) (single core version) is only $200 US at newegg.com and I'm visiting the US soon and thought I might pick one up.

[danisimo]

bestbuy has it now for $119
offer ends 11/5/2009

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0926INGFS10115467&catid=26259&CMP=ILC-Clicks_From_Flyer_Pages&langid=EN

[MDrop]

bestbuy has it now for $119
offer ends 11/5/2009

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0926INGFS10115467&catid=26259&CMP=ILC-Clicks_From_Flyer_Pages&langid=EN

:) Got all excited for a sec, thats the original WDTV

[lincoln]

:) Got all excited for a sec, thats the original WDTV

Rippppppp OFFFFFF

[rsarwar]

bestbuy has it now for $119
offer ends 11/5/2009

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0926INGFS10115467&catid=26259&CMP=ILC-Clicks_From_Flyer_Pages&langid=EN

Got mine from BB for $89.99 (when it was $99 minus pizza pizza coupon) ;)

[Civuck]

Thanks for that.
Also HDNation (http://revision3.com/hdnation) is promising a media players comparison in an upcoming episode, so keep an eye out for it.Thanks for the heads up - I watch that podcast occasionally although they are becoming way too heavy on the advertisement injections.

[Civuck]

Any clue if I can run internet radio stations such as 977 music off of this product?It has Internet Radio support but can't say for sure whether 97.7 is among that specifically.

[IntrepidRT]

It has Internet Radio support but can't say for sure whether 97.7 is among that specifically.
Not 97.7........it's .977 stations found at 977music.com. I love listening to those. They're on iTunes and Winamp as well, usually 3000+ listeners at any given time on the 977 Hitz station.

[hymack]

Anyone know how this would compare to using an ION nettop with something like XBMC? The Aspire Revo (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883103228) (single core version) is only $200 US at newegg.com and I'm visiting the US soon and thought I might pick one up.

I have the WDTV HD, but no XBMC currently. I'm thinking hard whether I should sell the WDTV and get one of those boxes for XBMC instead.

As long as you're comfortable with setting up and configuring XBMC to your liking, it appears to be worth the price difference IMO. The WDTV is lacking the nice skins/themes and file scrubbers.

[zulu888]

I have the WDTV HD, but no XBMC currently. I'm thinking hard whether I should sell the WDTV and get one of those boxes for XBMC instead.

As long as you're comfortable with setting up and configuring XBMC to your liking, it appears to be worth the price difference IMO. The WDTV is lacking the nice skins/themes and file scrubbers.

but can XBMC play 720/1080 MKVs without stutter?

[mark_in_2k]

but can XBMC play 720/1080 MKVs without stutter?Yes, the Linux version of XBMC can as it has GPU decoding of 1080p files.

[RedFlagRobot]

but can XBMC play 720/1080 MKVs without stutter?

On an ION system? Yes.

[Civuck]

Not 97.7........it's .977 stations found at 977music.com. I love listening to those. They're on iTunes and Winamp as well, usually 3000+ listeners at any given time on the 977 Hitz station.Sorry, misunderstood. But for the record, you can listen to the FM station 97.7 on the web right here (http://www.htzfm.com/). Decent mix.

[Civuck]

FYI - iboum.com has named the WDTV Live the best budget media player. See here (http://www.iboum.com/blog/nov-09/best-media-player-november-2009.php).

[zulu888]

On an ION system? Yes.

how hard is it to setup?

[gflux]

how hard is it to setup?

Tutorial is here:
http://www.xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=53888

Seems pretty easy. I'm wondering how you can control this with a universal remote though.

[Civuck]

Has anyone actually seen stock in Canada for the WDTV Live recently?

The following are out of stock on it currently...

Best Buy (http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10131807&catid=26259)
Amazon.ca (http://www.amazon.ca/dp/B002KKFP9Y/ref=asc_df_B002KKFP9Y952823/?tag=pricecanadaco-20&creative=380353&creativeASIN=B002KKFP9Y&linkCode=asn)
Canada Computers (http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=025525&cid=VID.978)
NCIX (http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=42231&vpn=WDBAAN0000NBK-NESN&manufacture=Western%20Digital%20WD%20Retail)
NewEgg.ca (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136472)
Dell.ca (http://accessories.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?l=en&c=ca&cs=cadhs1&sku=A3145091&dgc=SS&cid=38279&lid=1183570)
CDW.ca (http://www.cdw.ca/shop/products/default.aspx?edc=1871087&enkwrd=ALLPROD%3awdtv+live)
Grey-Tech (http://www.ecsrv.com/ShopItem.aspx?SessionCode=3782F0BF446C4912937631B1 CECB9071&CatCono=136337&ProductNo=2137056&Toc=136337:0&PageID=29309355)
PC Cyber (http://pccyber.com/?v=product&i=MULTI-WDBAAN0000NBK-NESN)
beDirect.ca (http://www.bedirect.ca/english/index.php?NoCategory=150750&SProdNb=0126-0114)
PC Canada (http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=15862)

[RedFlagRobot]

Seems pretty easy. I'm wondering how you can control this with a universal remote though.

Works with Media Centre remotes so you'd need to buy an IR reciever, unless you have a case with one built in.

[w11x22]

Has anyone actually seen stock in Canada for the WDTV Live recently?

The following are out of stock on it currently...

Best Buy (http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10131807&catid=26259)
Amazon.ca (http://www.amazon.ca/dp/B002KKFP9Y/ref=asc_df_B002KKFP9Y952823/?tag=pricecanadaco-20&creative=380353&creativeASIN=B002KKFP9Y&linkCode=asn)
Canada Computers (http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=025525&cid=VID.978)
NCIX (http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=42231&vpn=WDBAAN0000NBK-NESN&manufacture=Western%20Digital%20WD%20Retail)
NewEgg.ca (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136472)
Dell.ca (http://accessories.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?l=en&c=ca&cs=cadhs1&sku=A3145091&dgc=SS&cid=38279&lid=1183570)
CDW.ca (http://www.cdw.ca/shop/products/default.aspx?edc=1871087&enkwrd=ALLPROD%3awdtv+live)
Grey-Tech (http://www.ecsrv.com/ShopItem.aspx?SessionCode=3782F0BF446C4912937631B1 CECB9071&CatCono=136337&ProductNo=2137056&Toc=136337:0&PageID=29309355)
PC Cyber (http://pccyber.com/?v=product&i=MULTI-WDBAAN0000NBK-NESN)
beDirect.ca (http://www.bedirect.ca/english/index.php?NoCategory=150750&SProdNb=0126-0114)
PC Canada (http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=15862)

My friend had bought one from BB in GTA area last week...

[betamaxman]

It was OOS when I wanted to order it at newegg, other places as well. Then delisted. I ws about to pull the triger on the Oplay but decided to check and see first and it was back in stock. So keep checking.

[Nokialuna]

Has anyone actually seen stock in Canada for the WDTV Live recently?

The following are out of stock on it currently...

Best Buy (http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10131807&catid=26259)
Amazon.ca (http://www.amazon.ca/dp/B002KKFP9Y/ref=asc_df_B002KKFP9Y952823/?tag=pricecanadaco-20&creative=380353&creativeASIN=B002KKFP9Y&linkCode=asn)
Canada Computers (http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=025525&cid=VID.978)
NCIX (http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=42231&vpn=WDBAAN0000NBK-NESN&manufacture=Western%20Digital%20WD%20Retail)
NewEgg.ca (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136472)
Dell.ca (http://accessories.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?l=en&c=ca&cs=cadhs1&sku=A3145091&dgc=SS&cid=38279&lid=1183570)
CDW.ca (http://www.cdw.ca/shop/products/default.aspx?edc=1871087&enkwrd=ALLPROD%3awdtv+live)
Grey-Tech (http://www.ecsrv.com/ShopItem.aspx?SessionCode=3782F0BF446C4912937631B1 CECB9071&CatCono=136337&ProductNo=2137056&Toc=136337:0&PageID=29309355)
PC Cyber (http://pccyber.com/?v=product&i=MULTI-WDBAAN0000NBK-NESN)
beDirect.ca (http://www.bedirect.ca/english/index.php?NoCategory=150750&SProdNb=0126-0114)
PC Canada (http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=15862)

There was one at the leaside best buy this past saturday.

[Indusbreed]

My friend had bought one from BB in GTA area last week...

He must have bought WD TV.

IB

[Civuck]

It was OOS when I wanted to order it at newegg, other places as well. Then delisted. I ws about to pull the triger on the Oplay but decided to check and see first and it was back in stock. So keep checking.Yah - I don't know what "deactivated" means at NewEgg.ca - presumably the same as 'out of stock' but weird terminology if so.

[Eldorado]

On an ION system? Yes.

You don't need an ION to play 720/1080 mkv's

I'm running on a E5200 with absolutely no problems

[hardness]

It seems most places have it OOS, I did manage to put an order in at XpressCanada for 124$ + shipping 5.99.
I didn't realized newegg classified this as a hard drive, had I known that I would have grabbed one when they had the 10% off. Oh well, IMHO it's still a good deal unless the price for this drops during the holiday season.

[Indusbreed]

It seems most places have it OOS, I did manage to put an order in at XpressCanada for 124$ + shipping 5.99.
I didn't realized newegg classified this as a hard drive, had I known that I would have grabbed one when they had the 10% off. Oh well, IMHO it's still a good deal unless the price for this drops during the holiday season.

Did they give you any ETA and and when they will be able to ship it to you?

[bryan35]

Is the picture quality on the WD Live better than the WD?

[ExDss]

Yah - I don't know what "deactivated" means at NewEgg.ca - presumably the same as 'out of stock' but weird terminology if so.

Newegg now has stock on the Asus O!Play... just ordered one... finally got one...

[Menace]

The price isn't too bad. Enjoy it :cheesygri


Newegg now has stock on the Asus O!Play... just ordered one... finally got one...

[hardness]

Did they give you any ETA and and when they will be able to ship it to you?

well I did not get a time frame from them. Im just expecting it to show up whenever it does. XpressCanada doesn't have the most user friendly website, as in no way for you to check the status of an order.
I'm in no hurry for this to arrive, just hopefully within the next 2 weeks. You do save a couple of bucks compared to CanadaComputers.

[carldufourm]

Newegg now has stock on the Asus O!Play... just ordered one... finally got one...

Is there some sort of coupon to get a reduced shipping? How much was your shipping?

[betamaxman]

Shipped to my door here on pei brought the total cost from $129 to $146. So $16 and change, and that includes gst.

[Indusbreed]

Shipped to my door here on pei brought the total cost from $129 to $146. So $16 and change, and that includes gst.

Is this WD TV Live?

[rodenti]

Wow... Amazon.ca has raised its price for the WDTV Live up to $179.99 and has changed its availability to "Usually ships in 1 to 2 months".

If I order from Xpress Canada or Canada Computers (both out of stock) should I expect that they won't be shipping for 1-2 months as well?

[Civuck]

Wow... Amazon.ca has raised its price for the WDTV Live up to $179.99 and has changed its availability to "Usually ships in 1 to 2 months".Yah, I noticed that too. I think Western Digital has a hot little item on their hands with the WDTV Live. I bet it's a hot holiday season seller.

[Ikarasu]

Don't mean to threadcrap... but dont get the O!Play :( The support for it is garbage. There has been 2 firmware releases... Both of which while bringing new features/faster ones, turned the unit into garbage. One firmware broke Optical audio... the latest firmware broke network play, And Asus said theres no downgrade options...and are totally ignoring their users, and no fix has been announced for a week. It took a user to find a way to modify the files to allow people to downgrade their units :\

While O!Play compares to WDTV live feature/quality wise, and is cheaper... The extra couple bucks is worth WDTV's support. I wish I had gone with WDTV over O!Play... right now, O!Play does everything I want it to. But I'm a bit envious of WDTV Live getting new features/firmwares, while my O!Play is still stuck on original firmware, because upgrading it makes the unit useless :(

[rei]

That's typical of the support you can expect from the Taiwanese OEMs (Gigabyte, Asus etc.) -- they'll release some oddball product, maybe half-heartedly release 1 broken firmware upgrade and End-Of-Life it.

[Eldorado]

How long has the product been out for? Early adopters always get the shaft..

Give them a bit more time, I'm sure will be all worked out.. I highly doubt the Asus guys right now are just sitting on their hands..

If you don't *really* need to upgrade the firmware at this point, just sit tight and wait for a stable release.. as most everyone does for almost any electronic component, piece of software.. etc..

[thelefteyeguy]

10% off a newegg right now..not sure if they have the latest wdtv...

[budfrogs]

Can anyone find these instock?

[yao416]

Could somebody cliff me on what this "WDTV" is?

Where are the shows/movies come from?
Do I have to download it and watch it?

How the hell does this thing work?

TIA!

[hhhm3]

Could somebody cliff me on what this "WDTV" is?

Where are the shows/movies come from?
Do I have to download it and watch it?

How the hell does this thing work?

TIA!

Yeah, someone is going to help you now.
"How the Hell..."

[mark_in_2k]

Could somebody cliff me on what this "WDTV" is?

Where are the shows/movies come from?
Do I have to download it and watch it?

How the hell does this thing work?

TIA!Some one with a high post count like yourself should be able to do a little leg work.

Anyway, here you go (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wdtv+live).

[yao416]

hahah, i ask for a cliff, not a whole website.

but anyways, thanks.

[ott_wrench]

Gizmodo has a decent comparison of popular media players:

http://gizmodo.com/5397986/hd-media-player-battlemodo-apple-tv-killers

cheers

[Civuck]

Gizmodo has a decent comparison of popular media players:

http://gizmodo.com/5397986/hd-media-player-battlemodo-apple-tv-killers

cheersGood link - thx!

[betamaxman]

Is this WD TV Live?
Yes.

[Vinman]

That's typical of the support you can expect from the Taiwanese OEMs (Gigabyte, Asus etc.) -- they'll release some oddball product, maybe half-heartedly release 1 broken firmware upgrade and End-Of-Life it.

Word on that one, and I expect to hear about the upcoming ASUS O!Play 2 very soon.

[Nokialuna]

Gizmodo has a decent comparison of popular media players:

http://gizmodo.com/5397986/hd-media-player-battlemodo-apple-tv-killers

cheers


good job =D

[rei]

Word on that one, and I expect to hear about the upcoming ASUS O!Play 2 very soon.

Well, not "very soon" but now.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/06/asus-o-play-air-hdp-r3-arrives-with-wifi-and-card-reader/

[RDog]

Could somebody cliff me on what this "WDTV" is?

Where are the shows/movies come from?
Do I have to download it and watch it?

How the hell does this thing work?

TIA!

See POST NUMBER 1.

[v6tv6t]

Nope. TV is 1080p for sure as I can use BD player and laptop with HDMI with no problems at 1080p@60Hz.

I have tried every HDMI setting available (720 i/p, 1080i/p @ whatever Hz) and still no go. Tried a different set of cables. Nothing. Feeling pretty frustrated.

Same here. I bought one and returned it after trying to hook it up with three different HDMI cables and three different 1080p TVs. It was a lemon. I had no issue with my old WDTV. The technician at the computer shop verified that the HDMI port had a problem. The real problem is that I am not the only one. There's something wrong with this hastily released beta product.

[BUFFAR]

http://www.costco.ca/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=10324457&search=wdtv&topnav=&Mo=0&cm_re=1_en-_-Top_Left_Nav-_-Top_search&lang=en-CA&Nr=P_CatalogName:BCCA&N=0&whse=BCCA&Dx=mode%20matchallpartial&Ntk=Text_Search&Dr=P_CatalogName:BCCA&Ne=4000000&D=wdtv&Ntt=wdtv&No=0&Nty=1&Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial

Nvm, looks kinda diff, lol

[rvs007]

http://www.costco.ca/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=10324457&search=wdtv&topnav=&Mo=0&cm_re=1_en-_-Top_Left_Nav-_-Top_search&lang=en-CA&Nr=P_CatalogName:BCCA&N=0&whse=BCCA&Dx=mode%20matchallpartial&Ntk=Text_Search&Dr=P_CatalogName:BCCA&Ne=4000000&D=wdtv&Ntt=wdtv&No=0&Nty=1&Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial

Nvm, looks kinda diff, lol
That's the older model; not the Live.

[Civuck]

That's the older model; not the Live.Yah, that's surprisingly expensive for Costco - only $5 less than the WDTV Live at Canada Computers.

[Vinman]

That's the older model; not the Live.

Yep, and according to my store's manager, they'll be getting the new Live version "when all the old ones sell out". LOL, so expect to see it around 2011. :lol:

[dirtmover]

Yep, and according to my store's manager, they'll be getting the new Live version "when all the old ones sell out". LOL, so expect to see it around 2011. :lol:

They'll do whatever is required to clear them out. I'll expect to see them sell for $xx.97 soon.

[lead]

That's typical of the support you can expect from the Taiwanese OEMs (Gigabyte, Asus etc.) -- they'll release some oddball product, maybe half-heartedly release 1 broken firmware upgrade and End-Of-Life it.

actually its already been pointed out by a few in the avsforums that all the realtek based players recieved similar updates at roughly the same time.O!play, Xtreamer, A.C Ryan PlayOn, Briteview Cinematube all recently recieved fixes for flac id3 issue, BD ISO support, Network Speed etc.
Do you think wd does in house fixes? or do they pass it on to sigma and hope for the best. I would gather the later

[Jon Lai]

If only there could be RMVB support... anyone wanna start a petition? :D

[lead]

If only there could be RMVB support... anyone wanna start a petition? :D

Again that will depend on the chips design if it can support it.The mini version does but uses a completely different chip. I believe that will come down to sigma's support not wdtv.A sigma developer pointed out the differences between blueray support for some standalones he explained that the chip found in the wdtv live was never intended for for use in blueray players but was more iptv based.Unlike the 864X found in popcorn, and blueray players vs the 865X which we see in wdtv live the support difference for Blueray were:
8644- dual HD video decode, three audio DSPs
8655- 1.25x HD video decode, one audio DSP
8644- has what is required for full BD playback capability.
8655-cannot be used in BD players as it would never pass BDA certification.

So when I checked out the media support for the SMP8650 family of processors I never saw any mentioning of rvmb in the spec. Maybe someone else can add some more info

[Jon Lai]

Again that will depend on the chips design if it can support it.The mini version does but uses a completely different chip. I believe that will come down to sigma's support not wdtv.A sigma developer pointed out the differences between blueray support for some standalones he explained that the chip found in the wdtv live was never intended for for use in blueray players but was more iptv based.Unlike the 864X found in popcorn, and blueray players vs the 865X which we see in wdtv live the support difference for Blueray were:
8644- dual HD video decode, three audio DSPs
8655- 1.25x HD video decode, one audio DSP
8644- has what is required for full BD playback capability.
8655-cannot be used in BD players as it would never pass BDA certification.

So when I checked out the media support for the SMP8650 family of processors I never saw any mentioning of rvmb in the spec. Maybe someone else can add some more info

But isn't it purely software-based? All you need is the codec...
I don't see how hard it is to add a codec to the firmware.

[lead]

But isn't it purely software-based? All you need is the codec...
I don't see how hard it is to add a codec to the firmware.

well the wdtvmini according to iboum uses the 8635 sigma chipset. Has rmvb support but says 720p but no real mention of which container does true 1280x720. I never really researched the mini. But if its the same chip that was in popcorn 110(8635 sigma) which does 1080p but again no rvmb. Its anyones guess why the mini doesn't either. Seems more a preference of sigma's choice of what to support and how much. The firmwares aren't fully open source it comes down to sigma and what instructions they wished to include for each chip and why. All you can really bank on is it appears they don't often add new containers to already released chips. But again why do that when they could just sell more chips of a newer model and make more money. They haven't done so for dts support on the original wdtv when I believe its a 8635 chip while the popcorn can.

[snoosebum]

Its 5 bucks cheaper at Xpresscanada. I ordered last week, it hasnt shipped yet. $124
http://www.xpresscanada.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=025525&cid=VID.978

[gottagetta]

I was going to order this on Amazon.com for $119.99 USD but I noticed the shipping is 1-2 months??? I have a cousin coming from the States for Christmas. I was going to ship it to him and have him bring it over for me. You think it will make it in time for him to bring it over for me? The product seems to be out of stock everywhere.

[ppl4golf]

Anyone still has issues with random network dropout ?

I still have dropouts randomly, no idea why, and yesterday experienced another issue and the remote function totally crapped out after a 2 hr movie and required unplugging the DC plug. The movie streamed well over the gigabit network though.

[pinktt]

everybody knows when the O!Play HDP-R3 will be in the market?

[darren22]

Anyone still has issues with random network dropout ?

I still have dropouts randomly, no idea why, and yesterday experienced another issue and the remote function totally crapped out after a 2 hr movie and required unplugging the DC plug. The movie streamed well over the gigabit network though.

I've been totally unable to see my windows network shares with the WDTV Live. No idea why, as all the other computers on my network can find each other's shares without a problem.

I gave up and installed TVersity, set it to never transcode, and I've been able to stream everything without ever experiencing issues.

[hardness]

Its 5 bucks cheaper at Xpresscanada. I ordered last week, it hasnt shipped yet. $124
http://www.xpresscanada.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=025525&cid=VID.978

I am in the same boat as you, looks like we will just have to wait until XpressCanada receives stock. It will eventually arrive, the only thing that prevents me from cancelling the order is that Christmas season is among us and WD will ship these out to retailers.

We just have to wait and one day a box will arrive at the door.

[Civuck]

Anyone still has issues with random network dropout ?

I still have dropouts randomly, no idea why, and yesterday experienced another issue and the remote function totally crapped out after a 2 hr movie and required unplugging the DC plug. The movie streamed well over the gigabit network though.I have yet to experience any network dropout issues with my WDTV Live. I have a hardwire connection - not wireless - and stream from a NAS box.

[zeeden]

Anyone know when there will be more in these in stock at Canada Computers or at any online retailer at that $129.99 price?

[Indusbreed]

Anyone know when there will be more in these in stock at Canada Computers or at any online retailer at that $129.99 price?


Last i talked to them, the guy said it may take a month of so. I am hoping around Mid December.

[hardness]

Last i talked to them, the guy said it may take a month of so. I am hoping around Mid December.

sounds about right, looks like they got behind on stock because doing some searching and even American big box retailers are out of stock. Take a look at the American Best Buy.

[Civuck]

Last i talked to them, the guy said it may take a month of so. I am hoping around Mid December.Could be the geek equivalent Xmas gift of 'Tickle Me Elmo' - possible shortages.

[Civuck]

sounds about right, looks like they got behind on stock because doing some searching and even American big box retailers are out of stock. Take a look at the American Best Buy.A few of the online retailers are advertising stock will be available by the end of next week.

[gottagetta]

A few of the online retailers are advertising stock will be available by the end of next week.

Thanks for the update. I just checked amazon.com and they posted that they will have stock Nov 18.

[selfy]

London drugs has them in stock in New Westminster and Lougheed Town Centre. But at $175 I am not surprised.

[loonieryan]

Still waiting for mine to arrive from NCIX. Called them Monday evening and was told there's still no ETA.

[Civuck]

London drugs has them in stock in New Westminster and Lougheed Town Centre. But at $175 I am not surprised.That's pretty expensive considering the $129 price at Canada Computers. Quite a range of pricing it seems.

[zeeden]

That's pretty expensive considering the $129 price at Canada Computers. Quite a range of pricing it seems.


Probably due to the fact they are one of the few retailers that have it in stock.... Premium pricing for those who want it ASAP.

[Civuck]

Just happened to notice the Leaside, Markham and Brampton locations of Best Buy in the GTA are listed on their website as having stock. Might want to call ahead first if you are interested. Pricing is $169 - not sure a PM will go through since no one else has stock right now.

[Nokialuna]

I think the value of the canadian dollar has a lot to do with the price difference. FS and BB almost never adjust price based on exchange rate differences.

[G M]

Got me a couple of them at Bestbuy in the states, seems like alot of the Bestbuys were out of stock but I found one that had some.

Price on the internet was $119.99 I get there and the price on the shelf was $149.99 They adjusted the price plus I had a coupon for an extra 10% off :cheesygri

[ancnfamily]

I got brand new in box WD TV Live. Thinking if I should sell it or keep it since i got PS3 already. If anybody is interasted give me an offer.
Anyways how is the picture quality with one of these?

[randomdef]

I got brand new in box WD TV Live. Thinking if I should sell it or keep it since i got PS3 already. If anybody is interasted give me an offer.
Anyways how is the picture quality with one of these?

take it to BST.

[Menace]

Sorry, I don't drive my Ferrari to 7 Eleven for milk :D:cheesygri

I love my PS3 as my preferred game console ;)


Thinking if I should sell it or keep it since i got PS3 already.

[ancnfamily]

Sorry, I don't drive my Ferrari to 7 Eleven for milk :D:cheesygri

I love my PS3 as my preferred game console ;)

Got 2 plasma TV's, and would like to see my digital media on both tv's. There is a 40% price differance between 2

[Viz79]

Sorry, I don't drive my Ferrari to 7 Eleven for milk :D:cheesygri

I love my PS3 as my preferred game console ;)

And why not? I use my NDSi as an alarm clock. :D:cheesygri;)

~V79~

[gottagetta]

I got brand new in box WD TV Live. Thinking if I should sell it or keep it since i got PS3 already. If anybody is interasted give me an offer.
Anyways how is the picture quality with one of these?

Keep the WDTV Live. It supports a lot more media formats than the PS3. I have the PS3 and the original WDTV and I use the WDTV all the time for watching movies. I was tired of the PS3 telling me it didn't support the format I was trying to play. The PS3 is great for games. :)

[Civuck]

I got brand new in box WD TV Live. Thinking if I should sell it or keep it since i got PS3 already. If anybody is interasted give me an offer.
Anyways how is the picture quality with one of these?The WDTV Live is far better suited to get media on your TV screen versus the PS3.

[chdude3]

The WDTV Live is far better suited to get media on your TV screen versus the PS3.Not until it supports DVD menus!

[budfrogs]

Back in stock at BB (http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10131807&catid=26259)but for $169. Anyone have a site with it in-stock that it can be PM'd?

[addicted2it]

Back in stock at BB (http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10131807&catid=26259)but for $169. Anyone have a site with it in-stock that it can be PM'd?

I would love to know too...And are there any coupons that can be stacked at BB:lol::lol:

[Civuck]

Not until it supports DVD menus!In my opinion, despite the omission of that feature, the WDTV Live is still a better media device than the PS3.

[rems]

I got brand new in box WD TV Live. Thinking if I should sell it or keep it since i got PS3 already. If anybody is interasted give me an offer.
Anyways how is the picture quality with one of these?


take it to BST.

good job jacking up the price
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/wd-tv-live-network-ready-hd-media-player-bnib-813452/

[Nokialuna]

good job jacking up the price
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/wd-tv-live-network-ready-hd-media-player-bnib-813452/

wow he is ripping people off trying to sell it for 200. what a joke!

[Civuck]

wow he is ripping people off trying to sell it for 200. what a joke!Ahh.. capitalism. Good luck to him if he can pull it off and land a desperate customer before the next boat load of WDTV Lives arrive next week. And how much price premium were Playstation2s getting when they launched and there was a huge shortage of them?

[deals4every1]

Back in stock at BB (http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10131807&catid=26259)but for $169. Anyone have a site with it in-stock that it can be PM'd?

+1
OOS at CC >:(

[lincoln]

wow he is ripping people off trying to sell it for 200. what a joke!

BAHAHAHAHA if he thinks he's going to get away with that on RFD he's sadly mistaken.

[Finger]

I want to buy the WDTV live or the ASUS O!Play. Before commiting I want to know if it will play the HD MJPEG from Pentax Kx.
Would anyone with one of these device accept to try to play a file from my camera?

[Eldorado]

wow he is ripping people off trying to sell it for 200. what a joke!

Ever hear of supply & demand?

Someone, somewhere will buy it..

[rems]

Ever hear of supply & demand?

Someone, somewhere will buy it..

yes...but that`s not the point...

[timduncan]

Ever hear of supply & demand?

Someone, somewhere will buy it..

Its funny coz it's already available in brick and mortar. If its earlier, he may have a luck. :lol:

[G M]

One of the two I got was DOA out the box, all I get is the boot up screen, anyone else have this?

I only realized after I left the store that the seal on the box was broken, but everything inside still looked new.

[timduncan]

One of the two I got was DOA out the box, all I get is the boot up screen, anyone else have this?

I only realized after I left the store that the seal on the box was broken, but everything inside still looked new.

Yeah I got one too with the original wdtv. HDMI option is not working, only the composite connection. I noticed there is no more seal on the box. It could have been returned and sold again as brand new. Remote and ac adapter seem to be opened and used.

[G M]

Western Digital wont even give me a prepaid shipping return label to ship this dead out of the box unit back.

[randomdef]

Western Digital wont even give me a prepaid shipping return label to ship this dead out of the box unit back.

do you need a tissue?

[g man]

Sounds like Western Digital needs to take a page from Nintendo when it comes to customer service.

[macaximx]

Back in stock at BB (http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10131807&catid=26259)but for $169. Anyone have a site with it in-stock that it can be PM'd?

Finally the BB Dartmouth store has stock. Ordered one this morning and will pick up later.

[xla4life]

Possible to still PM with canada computers? CC has zero stock showing online.

[macaximx]

Possible to still PM with canada computers? CC has zero stock showing online.

Can't locate anything online except for BB.

[xla4life]

Was hoping to pick one up at BB and PM it with CC's price. Somehow I don't think it will work because it's not in stock at CC. I'll give it a try, still seems worth it to get anyway.

[rvs007]

Possible to still PM with canada computers? CC has zero stock showing online.
Unlikely... unless you get an inexperience sales rep who didn't check stock level at CC.

[rvs007]

Was hoping to pick one up at BB and PM it with CC's price. Somehow I don't think it will work because it's not in stock at CC. I'll give it a try, still seems worth it to get anyway.

Let us know if you have success and which GTA store you went to!

[xla4life]

Let us know if you have success and which GTA store you went to!

Sure thing! Bay and Dundas has always been hassle free PM'ing for me.

But let's see what happens.

[imixitup]

Just picked it up the WDTV Live from BB :), kids are right now watching A Bugs Life in HD (mkv) streaming from my QNAP, it is really cool and seamless with network and sound.

Couple of places in stock Scarborough TC, Markham, Bay and Dundas, check the BB site, call before you goin, did not do a PM as will wait for CC/Others to show in stock and then PM... u have a month to PM with BB.

All the best!

[WyldWolf]

Actually i think u have till Jan. 3rd 2010 to price match now. :D

[Menace]

Your kids are very lucky to have a good parent like you :cheesygri:D


Just picked it up the WDTV Live from BB :), kids are right now watching A Bugs Life in HD (mkv) streaming from my QNAP

[macaximx]

Was hoping to pick one up at BB and PM it with CC's price. Somehow I don't think it will work because it's not in stock at CC. I'll give it a try, still seems worth it to get anyway.

PM Didn't work here. :lol: Still have 30 days.

[Vinman]

Someone, somewhere will buy it..

No way anyone on RFD is that stupid. I was at BB today and could have bought a pile at $169, but I'm waiting for the lower-cost vendors to get them back in stock at the $130 range.

Asking $200 for a personal sale is a supreme joke and tells me how stupid the OP really is. :lol:

[ancnfamily]

No way anyone on RFD is that stupid. I was at BB today and could have bought a pile at $169, but I'm waiting for the lower-cost vendors to get them back in stock at the $130 range.

Asking $200 for a personal sale is a supreme joke and tells me how stupid the OP really is. :lol:

I just sold mine for $200 and people would pay for it. I think people like you are the ones that keep on saying how you can get thinks cheaper by PM other stores, but at the end somebody like you would pay more for the same stuff. Because PM does not work all the time.

[bucow]

Canada Computers posted their ETA for the WDTV Live as November 17th :cheesygri.

No way I'm missing this opportunity. I'm hoping BestBuy still has stock by then.

[budfrogs]

Canada Computers posted their ETA for the WDTV Live as November 17th :cheesygri.

No way I'm missing this opportunity. I'm hoping BestBuy still has stock by then.

Sweet! Thanks!

I think I might buy from Best Buy and PM with CC once it is in.

Looks like stores are raising their price though. Memory Express has upped their price to $149 even though they still do not have stock. Amazon.ca - $179, NCIX $139.

[rvs007]

Canada Computers posted their ETA for the WDTV Live as November 17th :cheesygri.

No way I'm missing this opportunity. I'm hoping BestBuy still has stock by then.
Might be better to buy it first from BB then go back and do a price adjustment when CC shows stock. Shipping is free or you can do a ISPU.

[bucow]

Might be better to buy it first from BB then go back and do a price adjustment when CC shows stock. Shipping is free or you can do a ISPU.

I've never price matched before. That sounds awesome. Thanks for letting me know.

Hmm, well, I have here 4 SPC coupons ($10 off $50) and I won't be using them all. I live near York University, so if any one wants one, drop me a PM and we'll go from there. I'll be using one for the WDTV Live, so three left.

[Nokialuna]

I've never price matched before. That sounds awesome. Thanks for letting me know.

Hmm, well, I have here 4 SPC coupons ($10 off $50) and I won't be using them all. I live near York University, so if any one wants one, drop me a PM and we'll go from there. I'll be using one for the WDTV Live, so three left.

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=025525&cid=VID.978

keep an eye on the stock. once ANY of those stores have them in stock, go to BB and PM yourself happy =D
buying it first, then PMing is also an idea. I have never done that myself.

[saimer]

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=025525&cid=VID.978

keep an eye on the stock. once ANY of those stores have them in stock, go to BB and PM yourself happy =D
buying it first, then PMing is also an idea. I have never done that myself.

I just bought one from BB today - couldn't hold. Was told by cashier that currently they have extended holiday return policy, means returns / price adjustment is guaranteed until Jan. 3, 2010, and it's printed on receipt. So as in FS. But for QC residents, it's still cheaper to buy from CC.

[juggie]

Western Digital wont even give me a prepaid shipping return label to ship this dead out of the box unit back.

Why not just return it and get an exchange?

[xla4life]

Thanks for the update! Will do an ISPU at BB and PM when CC gets stock.

[G M]

Is anyone else regretting buying this thing. My first unit was DOA, now on the second one I bought I have tried twice to watch a show streaming over the network from my computer and the WDTV loses connection every 5 or so minutes. I have to shut it down and restart to be able to reconnect then it does it again. Seems to be a common problem looking at some WDTV forums.

[G M]

Why not just return it and get an exchange?

I bought it at BB in the USA, doubt that BB Canada will exchange it.

[Vinman]

I just sold mine for $200 and people would pay for it. I think people like you are the ones that keep on saying how you can get thinks cheaper by PM other stores, but at the end somebody like you would pay more for the same stuff.

WTF are you talking about? Did you even read what I posted?

I was at BEST BUY YESTERDAY MORNING... I saw a PILE of WDTV Live!'s on sale for $169.. yet I DID NOT BUY one...

Clear? It has nothing to do with PMs, but basic economics - BB is cheaper, end of story. So why would I pay some moron $200 for a grey market model?

[darren22]

Is anyone else regretting buying this thing. My first unit was DOA, now on the second one I bought I have tried twice to watch a show streaming over the network from my computer and the WDTV loses connection every 5 or so minutes. I have to shut it down and restart to be able to reconnect then it does it again. Seems to be a common problem looking at some WDTV forums.

Try running a UPnP media server instead of using network shares. I had absolutely no success getting my network shares to show up on my WDTV Live with any consistency. I was going to return, but I thought I'd try the media server route, and I'm totally happy with it.

I'm running TVersity. It's free and it allows you to set the server to never transcode (so it's all left to the WDTV Live). Since the switch, I haven't had any issues with streaming at all.

[ppl4golf]

Is anyone else regretting buying this thing. My first unit was DOA, now on the second one I bought I have tried twice to watch a show streaming over the network from my computer and the WDTV loses connection every 5 or so minutes. I have to shut it down and restart to be able to reconnect then it does it again. Seems to be a common problem looking at some WDTV forums.


Try running a UPnP media server instead of using network shares. I had absolutely no success getting my network shares to show up on my WDTV Live with any consistency. I was going to return, but I thought I'd try the media server route, and I'm totally happy with it.

I'm running TVersity. It's free and it allows you to set the server to never transcode (so it's all left to the WDTV Live). Since the switch, I haven't had any issues with streaming at all.

There are a couple of get-around but still absolutely unacceptable with no official fix for a rampant problem like this. Unless there is a firmware that clears fixes the network woes, anyone still waiting to buy this LIVE unit (at a good price or not) is just not very smart.

[Phils]

Try running a UPnP media server instead of using network shares. I had absolutely no success getting my network shares to show up on my WDTV Live with any consistency. I was going to return, but I thought I'd try the media server route, and I'm totally happy with it.

I'm running TVersity. It's free and it allows you to set the server to never transcode (so it's all left to the WDTV Live). Since the switch, I haven't had any issues with streaming at all.

Same here. Lots of problems trying to get Network Shares running. I had TVersity running anyway because my D-Link DSM-510 needed it so I use it.

BTW, you can also setup Windows Media Player as a media server if you have version 11 on your PC. That way, you don't have to install a new program.

[PatcheZ]

LOL, i bought mine on friday from bb in edmonton...
i showed the lady the canadacomputers website on my phone and was able to price match it... AWESOME.

[Jon Lai]

Ok, can someone tell me how to set this thing up?

I just picked one up from Best Buy. Hooked it up, that was the easy part. I go on, I can't see any of my network shares. Fine. It can see my WMP11 servers. I click on them, it says no media found (where in fact there IS). I sat in front of it for 15 mins. I tried doing uPNP with J River Media Center and it doesnt' even show up there. I almost threw the remote at my Kuro Elite.

HOW THE EFF DO YOU WORK THIS THING?

[darren22]

There are a couple of get-around but still absolutely unacceptable with no official fix for a rampant problem like this. Unless there is a firmware that clears fixes the network woes, anyone still waiting to buy this LIVE unit (at a good price or not) is just not very smart.

I'm happy with it. If I had it all to do again, I'd buy it - I think I've gotten good value for my money. I think, therefore, that you just said that I'm not very smart, which I kind of resent.

Sure, it would be nice if the network shares worked, but other than the extra time to get it set up, there's no difference whatsoever in the actual usability or functionality of the unit. I can happily watch my HD content over a network connection with no issues. That's what I wanted, and it's what I have. I'm sure many other people feel the same way.

[darren22]

Ok, can someone tell me how to set this thing up?

I just picked one up from Best Buy. Hooked it up, that was the easy part. I go on, I can't see any of my network shares. Fine. It can see my WMP11 servers. I click on them, it says no media found (where in fact there IS). I sat in front of it for 15 mins. I tried doing uPNP with J River Media Center and it doesnt' even show up there. I almost threw the remote at my Kuro Elite.

HOW THE EFF DO YOU WORK THIS THING?

I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but my advice would be to give TVersity a shot. As I've mentioned here, it's worked for me.

Make sure you choose "never transcode" in the settings, because when it's set to "transcode only when necessary", it still tries to transcode content before sending it to the WDTV Live.

[Civuck]

WDTV Live - version 1.01 firmware is out.

Click here (http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/updates/?family=wdfwdtv_live).

[Jon Lai]

1) Is there a way of not showing all the Video Genres, Video Actors, etc. when streaming server from WMP? I just want the folder...
2) Is there a way to get MKVs listed as under VIDEO and not OTHER MEDIA in WMP?

^^ Are these problem existent in Tversity?

[Civuck]

1) Is there a way of not showing all the Video Genres, Video Actors, etc. when streaming server from WMP? I just want the folder...
2) Is there a way to get MKVs listed as under VIDEO and not OTHER MEDIA in WMP?

^^ Are these problem existent in Tversity?TVersity is pretty customizable as far as folder structures. Worth a look if you haven't seen it before.

[darren22]

1) Is there a way of not showing all the Video Genres, Video Actors, etc. when streaming server from WMP? I just want the folder...
2) Is there a way to get MKVs listed as under VIDEO and not OTHER MEDIA in WMP?

^^ Are these problem existent in Tversity?

In TVersity:

1. Yes. When you pick the TVersity media server, it gives you a list of options. One of them is Folders, which lets you navigate your library that way. Like you, I prefer doing it that way.

2. MKVs are listed under video.

[Civuck]

Ok, can someone tell me how to set this thing up?

I just picked one up from Best Buy. Hooked it up, that was the easy part. I go on, I can't see any of my network shares. Fine. It can see my WMP11 servers. I click on them, it says no media found (where in fact there IS). I sat in front of it for 15 mins. I tried doing uPNP with J River Media Center and it doesnt' even show up there. I almost threw the remote at my Kuro Elite.

HOW THE EFF DO YOU WORK THIS THING?Presumably you've seen this (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1194088)?

[Jon Lai]

In TVersity:

1. Yes. When you pick the TVersity media server, it gives you a list of options. One of them is Folders, which lets you navigate your library that way. Like you, I prefer doing it that way.

2. MKVs are listed under video.

Just downloaded TVersity. I can't seem to be able to get the "file system" choice to work. I still get a list of stuff like MOVIES, INTERNET, RSS, ALL, DATE ADDED, and FOLDERS.

Realistically, I want it to jump to FOLDERS automatically.

[darren22]

Just downloaded TVersity. I can't seem to be able to get the "file system" choice to work. I still get a list of stuff like MOVIES, INTERNET, RSS, ALL, DATE ADDED, and FOLDERS.

Realistically, I want it to jump to FOLDERS automatically.

If you find a way, let me know. I just click on Folders and go from there. The additional effort it requires is minimal.

[Jon Lai]

If you find a way, let me know. I just click on Folders and go from there. The additional effort it requires is minimal.

Damn it, and here I thought it was possible. Right now it's not very dumb-proof and convenient for my parents. To be honest, I would much prefer if it would just jump to that when the WDTV boots up. What's the point of having to select through Video/Music/Pictures when they could've been all integrated together and just use MY OWN folder structure? SIGH.

[Menace]

Damn, live update didn't find it. I had to download and install it manually.


WDTV Live - version 1.01 firmware is out.

Click here (http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/updates/?family=wdfwdtv_live).

[Menace]

Local hard drive is parents friendly. I won't upgrade my mom's WDTV to WDTV Live or Asus O!Play (which is worse than WDTV).


Damn it, and here I thought it was possible. Right now it's not very dumb-proof and convenient for my parents. .

[Jon Lai]

Local hard drive is parents friendly. I won't upgrade my mom's WDTV to WDTV Live or Asus O!Play (which is worse than WDTV).

Local hard drive is not administrator friendly. I don't want to have to update your hard drive everyday so my mom can get her daily drama fix.

[ppl4golf]

I'm happy with it. If I had it all to do again, I'd buy it - I think I've gotten good value for my money. I think, therefore, that you just said that I'm not very smart, which I kind of resent.

Sure, it would be nice if the network shares worked, but other than the extra time to get it set up, there's no difference whatsoever in the actual usability or functionality of the unit. I can happily watch my HD content over a network connection with no issues. That's what I wanted, and it's what I have. I'm sure many other people feel the same way.

LOL!

Dude, I seldom use strong/semi-offensive words but this time I need to because this networking BS is ridiculous and noone should be jumping hoops to get it to work. I am probably smart enough (but don't have the time lately) to figure out TVersity or the 3rd party firmware but I get this gadget for the convenience and to show off and I am not doing neither LOL.

You use some get around to make the unit work reliably and the 'not smart' comment obviously doesn't apply to you :D

Anyone NOT waiting for some feedback after the firmware update, jump right on the LIVE and then ask questions on WTF is going on with the network share is whom I'm referring to in my other post :D

[Civuck]

Damn it, and here I thought it was possible. Right now it's not very dumb-proof and convenient for my parents. To be honest, I would much prefer if it would just jump to that when the WDTV boots up. What's the point of having to select through Video/Music/Pictures when they could've been all integrated together and just use MY OWN folder structure? SIGH.Editing the config.xml file in the TVersity program folder lets you get pretty custom with whatever menu layout you want. However, I think you will end up with at least one menu item called Folders.

[budfrogs]

Grabbed on at BB today. Hoping CC gets them instock and doesn't raise their price this week! Haven't hooked it up yet! Planning to play with it tomorrow night.

[prettyha8]

I bought the WDTV Live from NCIX on Oct 18th. It's almost Nov 18th, and still nothing.

I called today and they mentioned it's still back ordered. They said about 80 units are back ordered on the 4xxxx sku, and about 12 units are back ordered on the other "price error" sku. The guy told me to just get the Asus O! Play as it's in stock. I guess in a way this is good, as it will let the 3rd party firmware become more stabilized when I actually get it.

[Jon Lai]

Editing the config.xml file in the TVersity program folder lets you get pretty custom with whatever menu layout you want. However, I think you will end up with at least one menu item called Folders.

I spent an hour with it today. I can't seem to get anywhere less than:

MOVIES
RSS/INTERNET
--something else--
E:\ (my share drive)

If possible, I'd hope I can have it display the contents of E:\ directly, but if not, at least destroy the first 3 options. It's already a pain to have to go Videos->Media Server->TVersity when all it takes to use a computer as a media center is to select one option.

[jjgitties]

i am one of the original buyers back in Oct when it came out at BB.

it has been running flawlessly and sees all my servers and shares. no problems at all. i use UNIX. it does not work that well with NFS but works without any issues with Samba.

if you are not seeing your shares --- you are either not broadcasting your shares on your network properly or its entirely possible that the WDTV live does not understand new Windows Vista / Windows 7 authentication. I don't know -- i don't use those platforms.

you may try to disable firewalls on the windows server and bring down the authentication levels and see if that works for you.

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/tutorial134.html

note -- changing authentication downwards defeats the purpose of upgrading to a more secure Windows platform.

my WDTV live does not see any new firmware updates.

[Menace]

+1

I don't jump on Windows 7 ship that soon, especially on any network sharing or streaming.

I LOL people have ton of problems on Windows 7, sockers :D:D



if you are not seeing your shares --- you are either not broadcasting your shares on your network properly or its entirely possible that the WDTV live does not understand new Windows Vista / Windows 7 authentication. I don't know -- i don't use those platforms.

[Jon Lai]

Somehow it sees the network shares when I connected the Live to another switch in the house. Weird. Will try my preferred location again today.

But nonetheless, it's a pain to have to scroll through all the network shares when realistically I will only be streaming from my media server. Unfortunately I have about 10-12 network shares across my network and I see no way in setting it on the Live.

Frankly, I'm kinda disappointed. I was hoping I could have had a device that could be set so that it would connect directly to my media server once it boots up, not having to click into VIDEO->NETWORK SHARES-> scroll through all of them -> media server, or VIDEO->MEDIA SERVER ->TVERSITY -> scroll to my
media server drive

It would've helped if it could remember the last position I was at before turning the device off, because that means I could just leave it at the file structure of my media server. Unfortunately I don't see that being an option either.

It's just a pain. I heard there's a custom firmware out. What does that do? Can it do what I want it to do? Frankly, I don't care much about the Youtube or Live365 functionalities, I just want to go directly to my media server file structure.

[Super strokey]

So is this working well with vista? Im kinda uncertain of grabbing one of these after hearing all these issues...

[Menace]

You need to understand how network sharing work regardless OSs (Linux, Mac, Windows). Network sharing isn't selective, either you see them all or not at all. I don't know any device can see what you want it to see. WDTV Live certainly isn't that smart networking wise.


It's just a pain. I heard there's a custom firmware out. What does that do? Can it do what I want it to do? Frankly, I don't care much about the Youtube or Live365 functionalities, I just want to go directly to my media server file structure.

[BiduleX]

BestDirect.ca


http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/210146/WDAVN00BN/Western%20Digital%20WD%20Retail/

[mtlboy]

BestDirect.ca


http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/210146/WDAVN00BN/Western%20Digital%20WD%20Retail/

that's not the WDTV live, that's the old one I believe...

[Jon Lai]

You need to understand how network sharing work regardless OSs (Linux, Mac, Windows). Network sharing isn't selective, either you see them all or not at all. I don't know any device can see what you want it to see. WDTV Live certainly isn't that smart networking wise.

I do understand how networking works. It's just that it's very easy to implement something like this. Heck, I could do it myself if I knew how to write the firmware on it. It's basically just setting a shortcut on the main menu instead of having to go through all the crap - much like how you would map a network drive as opposed to going to MY NETWORK PLACES in XP.

[ValendiaKnight]

BestDirect.ca


http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/210146/WDAVN00BN/Western%20Digital%20WD%20Retail/

Thats the regular WDTV HD right?

I just called CC, they just got a ton of new stock at their warehouse hoping it will be in their stores soon...hmm can always drive to Markham and get it.

[budfrogs]

Thats the regular WDTV HD right?

I just called CC, they just got a ton of new stock at their warehouse hoping it will be in their stores soon...hmm can always drive to Markham and get it.

Did they say if they were raising their price?

[xla4life]

Had my ISPU order filled and was on my way to pick it up from Richmond Hill BB. To my disappointment, they said they made a mistake and didn't have the item for me and they couldn't find it anywhere in the store.

Epic fail.

[chronos]

I just picked one up from the Richmond Hill BB (around 12:30pm). The guy said there were 5 in stock. He had to get them from the back as they weren't on the shelf with the other WDTVs. He mentioned to me that one was being held for ISPU so there should be 3 left for sale, unless someone went and picked em all up?


Had my ISPU order filled and was on my way to pick it up from Richmond Hill BB. To my disappointment, they said they made a mistake and didn't have the item for me and they couldn't find it anywhere in the store.

Epic fail.

[dolemite]

i am one of the original buyers back in Oct when it came out at BB.

it has been running flawlessly and sees all my servers and shares. no problems at all. i use UNIX. it does not work that well with NFS but works without any issues with Samba.


Thats good to hear. I'm a Fedora user and waiting to buy one of these to replace my aging MythTV setup.

[xla4life]

I just picked one up from the Richmond Hill BB (around 12:30pm). The guy said there were 5 in stock. He had to get them from the back as they weren't on the shelf with the other WDTVs. He mentioned to me that one was being held for ISPU so there should be 3 left for sale, unless someone went in picked em all up?

Nice. Great customer service.

[chronos]

CC's price is now $139!
http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=025525&cid=VID.978

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/8958/ccwdtv.png

[Jeff146]

Damn that sucks that they jacked up the price and it's still not in stock!

[bucow]

Noooo!

Edit: Sorry for the one word post. It looks like XC is owned by CC, I wonder if we can price match with XC at BB.

[rodenti]

Xpress Canada raised their price too.. but only by $2.75 to $126.75

http://xpresscanada.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=025525&cid=VID.978


Isn't Xpress Canada owned by CC?

[jjgitties]

I do understand how networking works. It's just that it's very easy to implement something like this. Heck, I could do it myself if I knew how to write the firmware on it. It's basically just setting a shortcut on the main menu instead of having to go through all the crap - much like how you would map a network drive as opposed to going to MY NETWORK PLACES in XP.

you don't need to write firmware. you just need to filter traffic. you should be able to do it via the web interface of your router/nat.

[lincoln]

http://hamilton.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-electronics-WDTV-HDD-Harddrive-Fill-Up-W0QQAdIdZ169230479

What an idiot! This guy is going to be thrown in jail for sure!

[Mission88]

Noooo!

Edit: Sorry for the one word post. It looks like XC is owned by CC, I wonder if we can price match with XC at BB.

I am guessing they will say that because neither CC or XC has stock that they will not match it. I will probably pick one up from BB just to see how happy I am with the unit. BB appears to have stock here in Winnipeg.

[Super strokey]

Hey guys whats teh word on it working with vista? Im rather weary about getting it and might side with the asus o!play as it seems to work better but has slightly worse video quality. I need some feedback on this for sure.

[ppl4golf]

I did the firmware upgrade yesterday (thanks dude for the heads up!)

So far, the networking has not crashed. Back then, the first 24hrs I had the unit, the networking did not crash either.
FYI - I use 2 Vista machines with dual ATSC tuners as 'servers'.

The unit is a little snappier after the update. There are gazillion issues fixed in the release note, I am not sure which one applies to the networking issue many have experienced.

I am still a little skeptical. I will post an update after 3 more days of playing around.

[CatDog]

price went up to $140 everywhere it seems

[jmartin]

I just got an email from XpressCanada and they shipped my unit today. I've ordered it more than two weeks ago at least they shipped it overnight (although I paid for ground).

Anyway, just to say that they received a few, but it's probably just enough for honour the orders.

[rodenti]

I just got an email from XpressCanada and they shipped my unit today. I've ordered it more than two weeks ago at least they shipped it overnight (although I paid for ground).

Anyway, just to say that they received a few, but it's probably just enough for honour the orders.

I got my shipment notification too... it also looks like FedEx overnight. I ordered mine on the 12th, so 6 days wasn't too long to wait.

[bucow]

I am guessing they will say that because neither CC or XC has stock that they will not match it. I will probably pick one up from BB just to see how happy I am with the unit. BB appears to have stock here in Winnipeg.

Oh no, I meant for when they have stock. But, it'll probably be difficult to price match XC as it is an online vendor (?).

[Mission88]

Wow that's great news. I might have to get my order in without them having stock. My local Best Buy did not have units despite what the website said. They were neither on the floor or in their inventory system.

[xla4life]

Nice. Great customer service.

Interesting but wrong!

The response I got from BB customer service regarding ISPU's.

Thank you for your email in regards to your order. I do apologize for the inconvience. When you order online and choose an in store pick up here is how it works: The store has a certain amount of stock, and it's first come first serve. I understand that you did get the comformation email to pick it up. It is posssible that in the amount of time it took you to get to the store that the product if in high demand sold out. I suggest trying to order it again online and have it shipped to you or going directly into the store. If you have any further questions please contact us at 1-866-237-8289 or via email. Thank you for your patience and understanding.

[rvs007]

Interesting but wrong!

The response I got from BB customer service regarding ISPU's.

Thank you for your email in regards to your order. I do apologize for the inconvience. When you order online and choose an in store pick up here is how it works: The store has a certain amount of stock, and it's first come first serve. I understand that you did get the comformation email to pick it up. It is posssible that in the amount of time it took you to get to the store that the product if in high demand sold out. I suggest trying to order it again online and have it shipped to you or going directly into the store. If you have any further questions please contact us at 1-866-237-8289 or via email. Thank you for your patience and understanding.
xla4life,
Did you try again at the Richmond Hill BB? I went there at around 6'ish tonight because they showed stock online. None on the shelf so I asked a sales rep to find some in the back. He came back 10 second later with a unit. Website still shows stock so you might want to go back to the store to inquire.

[Mission88]

xla4life,
Did you try again at the Richmond Hill BB? I went there at around 6'ish tonight because they showed stock online. None on the shelf so I asked a sales rep to find some in the back. He came back 10 second later with a unit. Website still shows stock so you might want to go back to the store to inquire.

I should have tried that too, but I would have expected that their inventory system would at least have had something. I may go back tomorrow.

I just tried to order from xpress and their website isn't working great. It took my credit card info and then never came back. I have emailed them. It would certainly be a lot cheaper than Best Buy if they can get more.

[nihalz]

i hope anyone can help me..i want to buy such a device, but before i jump the gun, i want to know if there is any other device which can clone and display my laptop wirelessly to my tv?
any info will be appreciated

[CatDog]

i cant get through the checkout on xpresscanada, what a horrible site, lol

[lincoln]

I just got an email from XpressCanada and they shipped my unit today. I've ordered it more than two weeks ago at least they shipped it overnight (although I paid for ground).

Anyway, just to say that they received a few, but it's probably just enough for honour the orders.

PM'd XpressCanada at bestbuy for $126.75 . No issues

[CatDog]

it says out of stock though, how did you get around that?

[Mission88]

yeah how did you go about it? Did you just point them to the website and tell them you wanted them to match the price?

I will try at another location tomorrow at lunch.

[Nokialuna]

keep trying the PM for xpress. it might work even out of stock if you happen to find a noobie sales person!

[CatDog]

if you can post your receipt you'd help a ton of us out

[Civuck]

i hope anyone can help me..i want to buy such a device, but before i jump the gun, i want to know if there is any other device which can clone and display my laptop wirelessly to my tv?
any info will be appreciatedSlingCatcher

[jjgitties]

I did the firmware upgrade yesterday (thanks dude for the heads up!)

So far, the networking has not crashed. Back then, the first 24hrs I had the unit, the networking did not crash either.
FYI - I use 2 Vista machines with dual ATSC tuners as 'servers'.

The unit is a little snappier after the update. There are gazillion issues fixed in the release note, I am not sure which one applies to the networking issue many have experienced.

I am still a little skeptical. I will post an update after 3 more days of playing around.

i upgraded f/w the manual way. i am not noticing any difference.

[Mission88]

I will try the price match at BB today assuming they can find their stock, but FYI I noticed this on their website:


Our Lowest Price Guarantee

Our Lowest Price Guarantee makes sure you get the best price on the products you buy at Best Buy and BestBuy.ca

Either prior to purchase or within 30 days of purchase (14 days for computers, monitors, printers, notebook computers, camcorders, digital cameras, radar detectors, portable DVD players, and air conditioners) should you find a lower advertised price, including those on the internet from an authorized Canadian Dealer, we will match that price and beat it by giving you an additional 10% of the difference.

That would indicate that there shouldn't be an issue. It says nothing about in stock. Of course it means that the deal above was completely wrong. They should have included shipping cost, but also should have then applied 10% of the difference off of that price. The final price should be $129.02.

[lincoln]

it says out of stock though, how did you get around that?

I just went up with the printout that says that its "available" even though below it it says its out of stock. Its a grey area because you can technically place an order on the website so technically it is in stock.

I said I just wondered if they would price match this and they said sure. No worries.

[xla4life]

I should have tried that too, but I would have expected that their inventory system would at least have had something. I may go back tomorrow.

I just tried to order from xpress and their website isn't working great. It took my credit card info and then never came back. I have emailed them. It would certainly be a lot cheaper than Best Buy if they can get more.

Cancelling my order at Richmond Hill BB. Try there now who ever wants one in that area.

[rvs007]

This is just a reminder that BB has their Extended Holiday Policy in effect. So you have until Jan. 3, 2010 to pricematch against a store selling it for cheaper.

[rogue]

Cancelling my order at Richmond Hill BB. Try there now who ever wants one in that area.

Thanks for the info

[enko]

Damn, as if BB has this in stock and NCIX doesn't.. feel like NCIX is holding out.. they got too many PM's and are hoping we cancel our orders.

They sure as hell didn't have any problems charging my CC right away...

[nics]

yeah I ordered it last week from NCIX and still waiting for at least an ETA from them .... :cry:

[nics]

nice !!

http://forum.ncix.com/forums/?mode=showthread&forum=194&threadid=2096802&pagenumber=1&msgcount=4&subpage=1&product_id=42231

[chronos]

That would indicate that there shouldn't be an issue. It says nothing about in stock. Of course it means that the deal above was completely wrong. They should have included shipping cost, but also should have then applied 10% of the difference off of that price. The final price should be $129.02.

Actually it does, it was just further down the page; http://www.bestbuy.ca/helpsection/EN/online_policies.asp?onlinepoliciesID=1&logon=&langid=EN


Simply present us with your original Best Buy or BestBuy.ca sales receipt, along with proof that the item you bought is being advertised at a lower price. Once our staff verifies that the item is in stock and available for immediate sale and delivery at the advertised price, you will receive your refund.

[Mission88]

Ah well. They were fine about it at my BB also, though the clerk did follow the complete procedure. She was going to verify the shipping to add it onto the price, and I told her how much it was. She added it and took off 10% of the difference.

edit: turns out her math was bad. It should have been around $129 but it ended up being $134... I don't think I mind.

[andicus]

Interesting but wrong!

The response I got from BB customer service regarding ISPU's.

Thank you for your email in regards to your order. I do apologize for the inconvience. When you order online and choose an in store pick up here is how it works: The store has a certain amount of stock, and it's first come first serve. I understand that you did get the comformation email to pick it up. It is posssible that in the amount of time it took you to get to the store that the product if in high demand sold out. I suggest trying to order it again online and have it shipped to you or going directly into the store. If you have any further questions please contact us at 1-866-237-8289 or via email. Thank you for your patience and understanding.

What an idiotic policy.

Futureshop states this:

Store Pickup
Please wait until your receive a Store Pickup Notification Email before going to the store as this will confirm that your item(s) are reserved for you. (Store pickup allows you to reserve and buy item(s) that are in-stock in your local store: please click here for more details)

I've never done an ISPU with BB, but would've expected their policy was the same. They way they do it, it seems pointless. You might just as well drive to the store to see if they have what you want since it may not be there either way. I would ***** at them about it, and maybe they'll give you a GC or something.

[rvs007]

What an idiotic policy.

Futureshop states this:

Store Pickup
Please wait until your receive a Store Pickup Notification Email before going to the store as this will confirm that your item(s) are reserved for you. (Store pickup allows you to reserve and buy item(s) that are in-stock in your local store: please click here for more details)

I've never done an ISPU with BB, but would've expected their policy was the same. They way they do it, it seems pointless. You might just as well drive to the store to see if they have what you want since it may not be there either way. I would ***** at them about it, and maybe they'll give you a GC or something.

If you look on BB's website, their policy is the same as FS. What the CSR wrote in the email response goes against their ISPU policy that is posted on their website. If you go to this link:

http://www.bestbuy.ca/marketing/ISPU/EN/ispu_popup.asp?logon=&langid=EN

It says:


After you have completed the checkout process, wait to receive 2 emails:

* Order Confirmation email – verifies we’ve received your order.
* Store Pickup Notification email – confirms the store has reserved your item(s) and your purchase is ready for pickup. It will also walk you through the steps you’ll take when you get to the store. This email arrives within 3 hours during store hours.

[scoutermike]

Next weeks Bestbuy ad has this box on sale for $149.99.

[rvs007]

Next weeks Bestbuy ad has this box on sale for $149.99.
Nice! Will be heading back to the store for a price adjustment then. Is there a limit on how many times you can get the price adjusted (say, if CC gets stock back again...)?

[andicus]

If you look on BB's website, their policy is the same as FS. What the CSR wrote in the email response goes against their ISPU policy that is posted on their website. If you go to this link:

http://www.bestbuy.ca/marketing/ISPU/EN/ispu_popup.asp?logon=&langid=EN

It says:

Ouch! Even more reason to complain, then.

It seems odd. Given that any time I've done an ISPU at FS, when I got to the store, the item was in a cabinet with my order attached to it. Maybe BB does it differently, as it would seem odd for someone to go into the cabinet, and remove the order and then give it to another customer. Then again, if a commission is involved, I guess I could easily see that happening.

[rvs007]

Ouch! Even more reason to complain, then.

It seems odd. Given that any time I've done an ISPU at FS, when I got to the store, the item was in a cabinet with my order attached to it. Maybe BB does it differently, as it would seem odd for someone to go into the cabinet, and remove the order and then give it to another customer. Then again, if a commission is involved, I guess I could easily see that happening.

I think this is just a case of the store screwing up the ISPU order (sending a confirmation when the item was not put aside for the customer), and then a misinformed agent making up some bogus excuse.

I would take that agent's response, quote the link I provided above, and escalate it to a manager or supervisor. See if you can get a $10 GC out of it...

[bromont]

I tried ordering 3 times from xpresscanada yesterday but their website was screwed up, finally got the confirmation today for 3 orders, called to cancel 2 of them and they said they got a bunch of units in and it should ship tomorrow. Anyway went to BB Kanata and tried a PM against xpresscanada and got it for $128 +tax after the $5.99 shipping and 10% price diff.

[ppl4golf]

i upgraded f/w the manual way. i am not noticing any difference.

Navigating the menus feels more responsive after the FW, it could be just psychological LOL

Anyways, this am, I was streaming Sin City ripped from my Blu-ray, forgot about it and left the house. My wife only turned off the TV but the WD TV Live was still running and it was still looping until just a minute ago when I checked it. It felt a little warm but the network did not die.

If it holds out for a couple more days, I'll start strongly recommending it again and may go out and pounce on a WD 2.5" portable drive to complement it.

[Mission88]

The only thing I don't like about it so far is the YouTube search. Those onscreen keyboards are hell and the thing doesn't remember your last search so you always have to retype if you want to alter your search.

I am pretty impressed with the video and it read my Ubuntu samba share without issue. Streaming those files over my network was flawless.

Next up is playing some MKV I downloaded.

[Pr0metheus]

The only thing I don't like about it so far is the YouTube search. Those onscreen keyboards are hell and the thing doesn't remember your last search so you always have to retype if you want to alter your search.

I am pretty impressed with the video and it read my Ubuntu samba share without issue. Streaming those files over my network was flawless.

Next up is playing some MKV I downloaded.

I despise two things as well:
1. It doesn't remember my last search for youtube as you said. So I have to re-type the search parameter (which is painful).

2. No matter what I try, the WDTV Live won't recognize my shared USB HDD from my laptop. I set the permissions for "everyone", and it still doesn't show up. I even tried setting up a Media Server with TVersity, and it didn't show up that way either on the WDTV Live even though I was sharing several media files.

[Mission88]

I discovered that if I log into my YouTube account things work pretty well. I can select a video on the computer and put it into a playlist or a favourite and then its easy to find on the WDTVLive. I watched some HD youtube and it looked amazing.

The MKV didn't fare as well. I have only tried one and it freezes consistently at one point. It was 1280x720 MPEG4 inside. The file I downloaded says X.264.
I will try downloading more. It did look really good prior to freezing.

EDIT: nevermind... I think I have discovered that something was wrong with the file. I will try re-downloading. I will mention that the unit could not scan through MKV files. It said the file didn't support that.

[night_day]

I just PM'd this at Best Buy Yonge/Dundas (Toronto) vs Canada Computers without any issues. The CSR didn't look up the stock (although CC now says they have stock at Richmond Hill)

Price after PM 136.99

[rvs007]

Xpress Canada shows stock now (@ $129.50)! Hurry and PM with BB (@ $169.99) before BB drops their price to $149.99 tomorrow. I was able to get a price adjustment at the Richmond Hill BB today. The nice CSR didn't even charge me the $5.99 shipping. So she rang the price adjustment through @ $125.50, which gave me back a total of $50.28 after taxes. YMMV! Good luck!

Link to XpressCanada:
http://xpresscanada.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=025525&cid=VID.978

[belowzeros]

any chance this thing has an hdmi to component connector in the box? =p

i don't have hdmi which of course means i can't get 1080p but 720p and 1080i is more than my xbox1 xbmc can do right now.

[digitaloutlaw]

Just had BestBuy price match with Xpresscanada.. got mine for $126! No hassels at all! I'm still shocked!

[Mission88]

No, but it does include a component output in the box. It's a 3-bar mini-jack like a set of headphones that produces the 3 video signals.

[belowzeros]

No, but it does include a component output in the box. It's a 3-bar mini-jack like a set of headphones that produces the 3 video signals.


oh sweet tyvm...road trip :)

[enko]

Damn, BB sold out in Ottawa, will wait for my NCIX order I suppose.

[Tybalt]

I was also able to price match at the Bay and Dundas BB against xpresscanada. I had printed out the web site and the girl at the cash just used the print out.

Although there are none on the shelves at bay and dundas I think they have lots in stock in the back. When I asked a salesperson why the web site said they had them in stock but couldn't find them in the shelf he said that the one he gave me was the last one. But I didn't really believe him.

[impactorange]

I just left this BB 15 mins ago and was also told they're OOS even though their site says they have stock. I asked a guy why the site says they have them and he seemed hesitant to respond but finally said they sold their last 2 that morning. Any chance of ordering online and doing a store pickup there I wonder? Might try it, annoying to go there for nothing.


I was also able to price match at the Bay and Dundas BB against xpresscanada. I had printed out the web site and the girl at the cash just used the print out.

Although there are none on the shelves at bay and dundas I think they have lots in stock in the back. When I asked a salesperson why the web site said they had them in stock but couldn't find them in the shelf he said that the one he gave me was the last one. But I didn't really believe him.

[rvs007]

I was also able to price match at the Bay and Dundas BB against xpresscanada. I had printed out the web site and the girl at the cash just used the print out.

Although there are none on the shelves at bay and dundas I think they have lots in stock in the back. When I asked a salesperson why the web site said they had them in stock but couldn't find them in the shelf he said that the one he gave me was the last one. But I didn't really believe him.

Especially if the rumor of it being on sale for $149.99 starting tomorrow is true, it wouldn't make sense for them to be OOS on the first day of the sale.

[night_day]

Man, can't believe xpresscanada is even cheaper, can I do another PM?

Anyways, at the Bay/Yonge, I asked on of the geek squad desk guys and he said they had some in the back so he went there to get it. Another guys was the same location before me and bought one too. Perhaps they have to keep X number in stock when they announce the price drop tomorrow?

[escapehatch]

Man, can't believe xpresscanada is even cheaper, can I do another PM?

Anyways, at the Bay/Yonge, I asked on of the geek squad desk guys and he said they had some in the back so he went there to get it. Another guys was the same location before me and bought one too. Perhaps they have to keep X number in stock when they announce the price drop tomorrow?

I am nearby, so I went again. The Geek Squad guy checked and there is no stock at Dundas BB.

[hyperactiveme]

there's about 10 in stock at BB St Catharines.

[one_human]

I've been actively following this thread for a while now. Figured it was time to register and post... since I just purchased a WD TV Live!

A couple of weeks ago I bought the regular WD TV from the Best Buy at Warden & Eglinton. I got them to price match Canada Computers for $109.99. I gave that one to my brother as a birthday gift (after I tested it out ;) ).

Today, for the WD TV Live, I also made my purchase at the Warden & Eglinton Best Buy, and thanks to info on this message board, I got them to price match with xpresscanada.com. Like other people have posted, the girl didn't take into account the shipping costs, so when all was said and done, factoring in the 10% difference reduction, I got the WD TV Live for $125.50! Sweet! I noticed there were about 3 more left on the shelf.

While I was there, I also picked up the HP SimpleSave 1TB External Hard Drive for $119.99, on sale, down from $139.99.

Next is the Samsung 32" 1080p LCD HDTV** (LN32B530) (http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0926INGFS10120715&catid=23244&PCName=tv%5F500%5F999&logon=&langid=EN). I've got a rain check for that item in the amount of $549.99, which is a saving of $250, although they do have it on sale right now for $649.99 ($150 off).

They had it as a one-day sale last week for $549.99 and they aren't supposed to issue rain checks in cases like that, but they never had it in stock during that day, so about 20 minutes before closing, I convinced the store manager it doesn't make a lot of sense to put an item on sale that you don't have in stock. He finally agreed and issued me the rain check which I have to use by Dec. 13.

[betamaxman]

Latest firmware seems buggy on my unit, and files that played fine before now are out of sync with the audio and other files have no audio. Not happy.

[xla4life]

Bravo!

Actually, there was a lineup in the morning at that BB location for that TV. there were 7 in stock according to a rep there. Anyway, you did an awesome job with the rain check!


I've been actively following this thread for a while now. Figured it was time to register and post... since I just purchased a WD TV Live!

A couple of weeks ago I bought the regular WD TV from the Best Buy at Warden & Eglinton. I got them to price match Canada Computers for $109.99. I gave that one to my brother as a birthday gift (after I tested it out ;) ).

Today, for the WD TV Live, I also made my purchase at the Warden & Eglinton Best Buy, and thanks to info on this message board, I got them to price match with xpresscanada.com. Like other people have posted, the girl didn't take into account the shipping costs, so when all was said and done, factoring in the 10% difference reduction, I got the WD TV Live for $125.50! Sweet! I noticed there were about 3 more left on the shelf.

While I was there, I also picked up the HP SimpleSave 1TB External Hard Drive for $119.99, on sale, down from $139.99.

Next is the Samsung 32" 1080p LCD HDTV** (LN32B530) (http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0926INGFS10120715&catid=23244&PCName=tv%5F500%5F999&logon=&langid=EN). I've got a rain check for that item in the amount of $549.99, which is a saving of $250, although they do have it on sale right now for $649.99 ($150 off).

They had it as a one-day sale last week for $549.99 and they aren't supposed to issue rain checks in cases like that, but they never had it in stock during that day, so about 20 minutes before closing, I convinced the store manager it doesn't make a lot of sense to put an item on sale that you don't have in stock. He finally agreed and issued me the rain check which I have to use by Dec. 13.

[TOPDAWG]

Latest firmware seems buggy on my unit, and files that played fine before now are out of sync with the audio and other files have no audio. Not happy.

After owning the first version you'll find WD does that a lot with updates. Hack sometimes they don't even fix anything and just brake more stuff.

[ppl4golf]

Latest firmware seems buggy on my unit, and files that played fine before now are out of sync with the audio and other files have no audio. Not happy.


After owning the first version you'll find WD does that a lot with updates. Hack sometimes they don't even fix anything and just brake more stuff.

Make sure you set the HDMI audio to analog if you're using TV speakers.

Just like BIOS, I wouldn't update it either unless something is not working right. The network function was so broken prior...but so far so good after the update.

[budfrogs]

BB in Burlington price protection'd the unit I got earlier this week with xpresscanada. Didn't take shipping into account. But also didn't get the extra 10% off. Wasn't going to push I was happy getting the $45 back.

Had the CC print out for $139 also incase they gave me trouble about xpresscanada.

[one_human]

Bravo!

Actually, there was a lineup in the morning at that BB location for that TV. there were 7 in stock according to a rep there. Anyway, you did an awesome job with the rain check!

Thanks. I had been keeping my eye on that TV anyway with the $150 off, however, I didn't know they were going to have a one-day sale on it for $250 off. By the time I checked the site that morning, they showed zero stock at Warden & Eglinton.

At least I got a rain check good for a month. Who knows, I might find a better deal before Dec. 13, but I doubt it. I want to use the TV as a computer monitor as well, which is why 1080p is important to me. And the sooner I get it, the sooner I can start using my WD TV Live!

[HeatSeeker]

Damn, BB sold out in Ottawa, will wait for my NCIX order I suppose.

You won't have to wait too long! I just received an email telling me that my order from October has finally shipped. I guess they must have gotten new stock in and are filling back orders.

[djrobinn]

Hi guys... Just checked that CC has finally started filling up... as per my conversation with one of the locations, CC had 600+ on order as of yesterday, today in the afternoon I saw some locations having 10+ WDTV Live in stock...

Also, if a BB CSR/ Mgr. has an issue approving the PM with CC, show them this:

http://www.wdc.com/en/buy/wheretobuy.asp (you have to manually pick the country)

Canada Computers is listed right on the Western Digital website so there you go...

[fairmang]

Do you know if WD TV and WD TV LIVE uses the same remote control code? I want to use the WD TV Live with my Slingbox.

Thanks.


I've been actively following this thread for a while now. Figured it was time to register and post... since I just purchased a WD TV Live!

A couple of weeks ago I bought the regular WD TV from the Best Buy at Warden & Eglinton. I got them to price match Canada Computers for $109.99. I gave that one to my brother as a birthday gift (after I tested it out ;) ).

Today, for the WD TV Live, I also made my purchase at the Warden & Eglinton Best Buy, and thanks to info on this message board, I got them to price match with xpresscanada.com. Like other people have posted, the girl didn't take into account the shipping costs, so when all was said and done, factoring in the 10% difference reduction, I got the WD TV Live for $125.50! Sweet! I noticed there were about 3 more left on the shelf.

While I was there, I also picked up the HP SimpleSave 1TB External Hard Drive for $119.99, on sale, down from $139.99.

Next is the Samsung 32" 1080p LCD HDTV** (LN32B530) (http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0926INGFS10120715&catid=23244&PCName=tv%5F500%5F999&logon=&langid=EN). I've got a rain check for that item in the amount of $549.99, which is a saving of $250, although they do have it on sale right now for $649.99 ($150 off).

They had it as a one-day sale last week for $549.99 and they aren't supposed to issue rain checks in cases like that, but they never had it in stock during that day, so about 20 minutes before closing, I convinced the store manager it doesn't make a lot of sense to put an item on sale that you don't have in stock. He finally agreed and issued me the rain check which I have to use by Dec. 13.

[one_human]

Do you know if WD TV and WD TV LIVE uses the same remote control code? I want to use the WD TV Live with my Slingbox.

Thanks.

It's the same looking remote control, but I have no idea if it's the same code.

I too have a Slingbox. Ah, you're going to be using the WD TV Live as your input source. Cool. Why does it matter if the code is the same? Have you already tested your Slingbox with the regular WD TV?

[Xstian]

Might be a silly qn.. Is this much better than the patriot media box. Ofcourse the reason being the price difference and the ease of product availability.

I hope there are users who are really impressed with the WD live. I had read thru almost all the pages but still not sure.

[djrobinn]

Do you know if WD TV and WD TV LIVE uses the same remote control code? I want to use the WD TV Live with my Slingbox.

Thanks.


It's the same looking remote control, but I have no idea if it's the same code.

I too have a Slingbox. Ah, you're going to be using the WD TV Live as your input source. Cool. Why does it matter if the code is the same? Have you already tested your Slingbox with the regular WD TV?

I'm willing to bet a significant sum of money that its the same code... proceed without worry my friend! I'll be picking one up in around 4 hours from now and will post back after I have tried using my Harmony 880 with it. Harmony 880 is currently configured with the old WDTV remote code so if it works, it'll be a good indication that they didn't change the remote code.

[superatragon]

Do you know if WD TV and WD TV LIVE uses the same remote control code? I want to use the WD TV Live with my Slingbox.

Thanks.


It is the same. I used my WD TV for my WD TV LIVE box.

[fairmang]

Ok please post back and let us know. I am mainly getting this Box for that reason. The other Media Players (O!Play,Patriot,CinemaTube, etc) out there don't seem to be on the list of Custom Remote Control Creation Group for Slingbox.
http://www.slingcommunity.com/download/34275/Western-Digital-WDTV-BIN-Files/
The SlingCatcher does not seem to handle most of the newer video formats well, that is why I am going this route :)
Thanks.


I'm willing to bet a significant sum of money that its the same code... proceed without worry my friend! I'll be picking one up in around 4 hours from now and will post back after I have tried using my Harmony 880 with it. Harmony 880 is currently configured with the old WDTV remote code so if it works, it'll be a good indication that they didn't change the remote code.

[fairmang]

Ok nice, thanks for letting us know :)


It is the same. I used my WD TV for my WD TV LIVE box.

[rems]

I tried ordering 3 times from xpresscanada yesterday but their website was screwed up, finally got the confirmation today for 3 orders, called to cancel 2 of them and they said they got a bunch of units in and it should ship tomorrow. Anyway went to BB Kanata and tried a PM against xpresscanada and got it for $128 +tax after the $5.99 shipping and 10% price diff.

I was on the fence about ordering this and experienced those same issues.
I put my order in and didn`t get a confirmation page on their website. So if it went through then I figured it means I should buy it. Got my tracking number today and should be shipped by noon... I liked the nice $150 round number I was charged

[djrobinn]

Do you guys think CC will PM xpresscanada's price? Considering they're the same company... why would they even have 2 different prices... weird.

Reminds me of BB and FS and when BB first took over FS, they wouldn PM but not by an additional 10% as they would say "its the same company"... what a lame excuse.

[Menace]

Yes, it is same remote control same code (on Harmony remote). The new remote is more responsive.


Do you know if WD TV and WD TV LIVE uses the same remote control code? I want to use the WD TV Live with my Slingbox.

Thanks.

[Menace]

You should have no problemo. I have Harmony 880 and I have tested it on WDTV, WDTV Live and Asus O!Play. Perfect!


Harmony 880 is currently configured with the old WDTV remote code so if it works, it'll be a good indication that they didn't change the remote code.

[ValendiaKnight]

Do you guys think CC will PM xpresscanada's price? Considering they're the same company... why would they even have 2 different prices... weird.

Reminds me of BB and FS and when BB first took over FS, they wouldn PM but not by an additional 10% as they would say "its the same company"... what a lame excuse.

You do know that Tiger Direct (CompUSA, SysteMax), NCIX, Newegg all have multiple websites. Its just Canada Computers doesn't do it too well I mean they use the SAME pics/item codes/descriptions etc on both their sites so its easier to tell. But anyone in e-commerce can tell you that a lot of sites are owned by the same company.

A co-worker was telling me that in some Asian malls the same owner has multiple stores with different pricing but they share the same inventory, so the staff instead of going to the back to get stock run across the mall :cheesygri

[fairmang]

Yes that is my plan, to use the WD TV Live as a source device, that way I can watch my movie collection from anywhere there is an internet connection:lol:


It's the same looking remote control, but I have no idea if it's the same code.

I too have a Slingbox. Ah, you're going to be using the WD TV Live as your input source. Cool. Why does it matter if the code is the same? Have you already tested your Slingbox with the regular WD TV?

[lead]

Yes that is my plan, to use the WD TV Live as a source device, that way I can watch my movie collection from anywhere there is an internet connection:lol:

So how is that actually working out for you. In real world usage? Aren't you really limited to the internet connection bandwidth where your visting? I severely doubt actually a 100% certain that hd content cannot be streamed over the internet(make no mistake hd youtube is by no means hd). Even the sd divx stuff you can watch thru megavideo streaming is a lesser bitrate than a typical downloaded 1 cd divx file. Wouldn't you be better served using a simple megavideo account? or stagevu. Unless you have a movie collection of low res flv files?
So how well does it actually work, whats the limitations?

[Civuck]

Yes that is my plan, to use the WD TV Live as a source device, that way I can watch my movie collection from anywhere there is an internet connection:lol:Great idea!

[Civuck]

Yes - WDTV Live and WDTV use same remote codes. I did not have to reprogram my Harmony 880.

[rvs007]

Sorry in advance for the off-topic post...

Anyone running into problems streaming HD material (MKV files) wirelessly? I bought myself a Linksys simultaneous dual band wireless N router (WRT400N) with the dual band wireless N USB adapter (WUSB600N) hoping that I can stream HD material without the stuttering. The router is in the computer room on the same level as my family room, where my TV and the WDTV Live is located. They are about 40 ft. apart. with 2 internal walls in between.

I get excellent signals on both the 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz bands, but whenever I try playing HD material, it starts stuttering about 1-2 minutes into the movie. I tried running a very long CAT5 ethernet cable for a wired connection and the HD material streams fine.

Should I buy another brand of router/adapter that might give me better speeds (D-Link DIR-825)? Or is this a firmware problem that might get fixed in a firmware update?

It's bugging me that I can't stream HD material properly.

I also notice the network connection dropping periodically.. but I've read this is a common problem. Hopefully that gets fixed soon too.

[zulu888]

HD, wireless, and streaming should never be used in the same sentence. I think you answered your own question. Don't expect reliable, non-stuttter performance from a wireless connection. Best way is to go wired


Sorry in advance for the off-topic post...

Anyone running into problems streaming HD material (MKV files) wirelessly? I bought myself a Linksys simultaneous dual band wireless N router (WRT400N) with the dual band wireless N USB adapter (WUSB600N) hoping that I can stream HD material without the stuttering. The router is in the computer room on the same level as my family room, where my TV and the WDTV Live is located. They are about 40 ft. apart. with 2 internal walls in between.

I get excellent signals on both the 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz bands, but whenever I try playing HD material, it starts stuttering about 1-2 minutes into the movie. I tried running a very long CAT5 ethernet cable for a wired connection and the HD material streams fine.

Should I buy another brand of router/adapter that might give me better speeds (D-Link DIR-825)? Or is this a firmware problem that might get fixed in a firmware update?

It's bugging me that I can't stream HD material properly.

I also notice the network connection dropping periodically.. but I've read this is a common problem. Hopefully that gets fixed soon too.

[dectim]

Good price.
I checked how much would be shipping to GTA: about $10.

Around 11:15 this AM, CC had stock (at least at Pacific Mall location), for $139. About the same, if you don't take in consideration the convenience of having it shipped at your door.

[rems]

Good price.
I checked how much would be shipping to GTA: about $10.

Around 11:15 this AM, CC had stock (at least at Pacific Mall location), for $139. About the same, if you don't take in consideration the convenience of having it shipped at your door.

I ordered from xpresscanada and it came out to $150 after taxes and shipping...

[dectim]

I ordered from xpresscanada and it came out to $150 after taxes and shipping...

Agree, shipping from Newegg.ca is about $10. Looks like from Xpresscanada.ca is $5.99, which is a better deal.

[mikka1989]

how come no esata?

[prettyha8]

Don't try and PM via Online or Telephone ordering system. They say newegg.ca is not Canadian.

This is what I got. You might have better luck printing out newegg.ca website and take to store. Go straight to youngest cashier.


This e-mail is regarding your recent Price Protection request against Newegg.ca.
In accordance with Our Lowest Price Guarantee policy we will be unable to accommodate your request as Newegg.ca is an American retailer based out of America.

Should you have further questions or concerns regarding our lowest price guarantee, please visit:
http://www.bestbuy.ca/helpsection/EN/online_policies.asp?onlinepoliciesID=1&logon=&langid=EN

Thank you for visiting bestbuy.ca.

Sincerely,

Karla
Agent ID 12939
Best Buy Canada

However, they did say that NCIX is on their list of approved PM'able retailers.

[Mjolnirs]

There's a small sale on this unit at Best Buy now, but still not better than some of the other reported prices.

Jumping off topic, I was in the market for this unit, but instead went with the Netgear eva 9150 based on recommendation (not price). I've posted the Dell sale on this item in the following thread:

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/dell-ca-netgear-eva-9150-digital-media-server-networking-sale-816400/

[ADRiiAN`]

No more youtube! Damn you google!

[saimer]

Don't bother PM at BB Fairview (Montreal West Island). The girl first said never heard of xpresscanada, then went to check the site, said they don't provide overnight shipping. BB will only PM the product can be obtained immediately. So I ordered one online, will return it to BB upon receiving the new one.

[Pr0metheus]

No more youtube! Damn you google!

Youtube has been working perfectly for me as of 10 mins ago.

[Civuck]

HD, wireless, and streaming should never be used in the same sentence. I think you answered your own question. Don't expect reliable, non-stuttter performance from a wireless connection. Best way is to go wiredCompletely agree - wireless is far too unstable for even 720p video, never mind 1080p. And this of course is over Wireless-N - which, I rarely see over 3MB/s (24 megabits/second) on my Apple Airport Extreme.

[Civuck]

No more youtube! Damn you google!If you are referring to the story in this article (http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/youtube-pulls-a-hulu-yanking-api-access-from-popcorn-hour-ot/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+weblogsinc%2Fengadget+%28Enga dget%29), then here's Western Digital's response (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17572110#post17572110): YouTube support on the WDTV Live is safe.

[Xstian]

In stock at NCIX and they reduced the price to 129...

http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=42231&vpn=WDBAAN0000NBK-NESN&manufacture=Western%20Digital%20WD%20Retail

[Mirx]

In stock at NCIX and they reduced the price to 129...

http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=42231&vpn=WDBAAN0000NBK-NESN&manufacture=Western%20Digital%20WD%20Retail

Thanks, Ordered

[btb82]

In stock at NCIX and they reduced the price to 129...

http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=42231&vpn=WDBAAN0000NBK-NESN&manufacture=Western%20Digital%20WD%20Retail

+1 ordered, thanks!!

[rambokid]

Ignoring the price, which is better, this or Patriot Box Office Network http://ncix.com/products/?sku=44928&promoid=1146?

[rems]

Don't bother PM at BB Fairview (Montreal West Island). The girl first said never heard of xpresscanada, then went to check the site, said they don't provide overnight shipping. BB will only PM the product can be obtained immediately. So I ordered one online, will return it to BB upon receiving the new one.
mine was shippped overnight...

[lead]

Ignoring the price, which is better, this or Patriot Box Office Network http://ncix.com/products/?sku=44928&promoid=1146?

the Patriot is no different than the o!play. Its no different than any other standalone that uses the 1073dd chip. Only the gui is slightly different across brands.Some can house an internal drive. Some chose the esata external instead. Some chose usb only. The choice comes down to what you want from your standalone. Not which is better. There all only as good as its last firmware.

You want dvd iso menu and rvmb support you go with a realtek chipped player. You want an iptv capable media player you go with the wdtv live.The wdtv also allows for thumb nail views of video which is nice too.

There is though a realtek chipped player that seems to use imdb scraping and dvd photo/info for video collection. I just can't remember the name,I meant to search it out. Its lost in the volumes of threads on the net around "whats the best player to buy?"(not flaming yah LOL)
I said it in another thread I'll say it again. Clearly these things have become marketing gimmicks to promote a company brand name. Don't be surprised if you see Trump Network Player coming this christmas. The only player to stream apprentice episodes 24/7

[nihalz]

will bestbuy match the 129$ price of ncix with 10% off?

[Cisco KId]

will bestbuy match the 129$ price of ncix with 10% off?

I doubt it and it is not 10% off, it is 10% of the difference in price between the 2, so probably a few dollars less at best plus the aggrevation. Just save yourself the hassle and time and order it from ncix, in the end even w shipping cost it is essentially the same cost BUT you get it later BUT you do not have deal with all the ******** FS and BB give you when attempting to pm ncix , really sux when you get denied as well.

On another note I assume 1080p at this time will still not stream over wireless and if it will N only? Can one get 720p over wireless G solid ? I gotta get around to completing my network.

[Hugh]

any chance this thing has an hdmi to component connector in the box? =p

i don't have hdmi which of course means i can't get 1080p but 720p and 1080i is more than my xbox1 xbmc can do right now.

I don't think that such a thing is possible. Component is analogue while HDMI is digital. I'd really like to be able to hook this box up to my component switch. Component supports HD whereas composite doesn't.

Oh, and another thing: HDMI supports HDCP but there is not way to do that with component. Mind you, I cannot think of a reason why HDCP would be useful with this box. (By that I mean: I don't see anything that this box plays coming with a requirement to block non-HDCP output.)

[VanillaPep]

how come sometimes it doesnt let me log into my network shares? its weird

[ADRiiAN`]

If you are referring to the story in this article (http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/20/youtube-pulls-a-hulu-yanking-api-access-from-popcorn-hour-ot/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+weblogsinc%2Fengadget+%28Enga dget%29), then here's Western Digital's response (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17572110#post17572110): YouTube support on the WDTV Live is safe.

Dang, WD paid the 7 figure license? Ouch

[Menace]

If you like Patriot, I would choose Asus O!Play for better brand and supports. O!Play's eSata works the same as internal hard drive. Patriot is good if you buy their memory chips :D:D


Ignoring the price, which is better, this or Patriot Box Office Network http://ncix.com/products/?sku=44928&promoid=1146?

[hornjo]

Just got home with the last WDTV Live from Vaughan CC.
It is awsome.
I just plugged in the ethernet cable and instantly found the firmware update.
I will be having a lot of fun playing with my new toy.
Playing movies off of a USB stick, no problem.
Playing movies off my network, minor problem. Sometimes it doesn't find my network.

[cliffclaven]

Just ordered from newegg. The shipping was higher than ncix, but no PST made it cheaper overall.

[mikka1989]

this will be 99 come boxing day/week

[Menace]

Yes, but there will be WDTV Wow, the next generation of WDTV :D:D


this will be 99 come boxing day/week

[lead]

Dang, WD paid the 7 figure license? Ouch

maybe, maybe not. maybe they pre-arranged with google before its manufacture. Why go with an iptv based chip when they could have gone with the 864x series. I think they intentionally went with a network based player on purpose and branch off a little into iptv maybe score some income from sites, subscription based sites if you get my picture. I mean they contact google say we sold this mainy units(argueably more than the others at the time) and are thinking about branching off to the iptv do you want to be apart of it increase your exposure. If your gonna charge how about a deal or should we contact your competitors instead etc. I betcha thats what scot at wdtv means by big things to come more iptv based sites. It'll suck if its subscription based though.

[rvs007]

On another note I assume 1080p at this time will still not stream over wireless and if it will N only? Can one get 720p over wireless G solid ? I gotta get around to completing my network.

Ya, it's not reliable at the moment. I get stuttering about a minute into a 1080p movie and it becomes unwatchable. I'm using the Linksys simultaneous dual band router WRT400N with the dual band USB adapter WUSB600N. I might give the D-Link DIR 825 a try to see if that helps.

[belowzeros]

Ya, it's not reliable at the moment. I get stuttering about a minute into a 1080p movie and it becomes unwatchable. I'm using the Linksys simultaneous dual band router WRT400N with the dual band USB adapter WUSB600N. I might give the D-Link DIR 825 a try to see if that helps.


does 720p do it ok on wireless like he was asking?


I held back pulling the trigger the other day, funds are tight this week :(

[Thrillingbroom]

I have been able to stream 720p TV shows over wireless perfectly. My desktop was plugged to the router (D-Link DIR-615) and I have my WDTV Live connected through a wireless bridge (Linksys WRT54G) in the family room.

[ppl4golf]

I have been able to stream 720p TV shows over wireless perfectly. My desktop was plugged to the router (D-Link DIR-615) and I have my WDTV Live connected through a wireless bridge (Linksys WRT54G) in the family room.

Prolly not when someone is nuking something in your microwave oven LOL

I gave up wireless a long time ago for HTPC purposes...Yes, I was able to stream OTA HD MPEG2 recording (8GB/hr) when the condition was perfect. But more often than not, it was stutter and cursing.

I am glad I go with three 100ft CAT5E cable to Great Room, Kitchen and Master BR connected to a Gigabit switch from my office. The network speed is a lot faster than USB2.0 & 10/100.

[VanillaPep]

anyone got problem with detecting ur network shares?

[Mjolnirs]

Prolly not when someone is nuking something in your microwave oven LOL

I gave up wireless a long time ago for HTPC purposes...Yes, I was able to stream OTA HD MPEG2 recording (8GB/hr) when the condition was perfect. But more often than not, it was stutter and cursing.

I am glad I go with three 100ft CAT5E cable to Great Room, Kitchen and Master BR connected to a Gigabit switch from my office. The network speed is a lot faster than USB2.0 & 10/100.


+1

While wireless technology is improving rapidly, I'm still skeptical about streaming anything hi def over long distances, let alone a solid partition. I found running wires like CAT5 and HDMI (monoprice.com is the way to go) was a cheaper and more reliable solution than buying wireless bridges/extenders, but this may not be possible for everyone short of busting big holes through walls or having horribly visible wires stringing around to make the connections.

[Phils]

anyone got problem with detecting ur network shares?

This is a common problem.

Even when Network shares are properly detected, people are experiencing disconnects every 5 minutes.

Many people, myself included, are running Tversity server software. That eliminates the problem but it's one more piece of software running on your system.

[RFDkit]

I found this (http://www.infonec.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=449699). It does full HD in 1080p and RMVB(if you need it) as well.

[porphyra]

I found this (http://www.infonec.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=449699). It does full HD in 1080p and RMVB(if you need it) as well.

Yes we are all aware of that player (Asus O! Play). There is a similar huge thread on it here on RFD.

Apparently it has a slighly lower PQ than this (only visible on large TV sets), but it does RMVB. The interface is faster on the WD Live though. Also there is the option to go wireless on the Live!. Not so with the O! Play. Otherwise it is an excellent alternative to this.

[ppl4golf]

anyone got problem with detecting ur network shares?


This is a common problem.

Even when Network shares are properly detected, people are experiencing disconnects every 5 minutes.

Many people, myself included, are running Tversity server software. That eliminates the problem but it's one more piece of software running on your system.

Apparently, there are different issues with different OS's. The frmware update fixed my issues with Vista shares. So far so good after 4-5 days.

[olm729]

Yes we are all aware of that player (Asus O! Play). There is a similar huge thread on it here on RFD.

Apparently it has a slighly lower PQ than this (only visible on large TV sets), but it does RMVB. The interface is faster on the WD Live though. Also there is the option to go wireless on the Live!. Not so with the O! Play. Otherwise it is an excellent alternative to this.


It's also cheaper (or at least was) by about 20 bucks.. if you want to forego the headaches of flaky wireless for HD content, go with the Asus instead.

[rems]

Is there a way to separate audio output from the video without using the optical output?
I want to use this for my computer monitor using my speakers (which connects through the 3.5mm jack)

[ppl4golf]

Is there a way to separate audio output from the video without using the optical output?
I want to use this for my computer monitor using my speakers (which connects through the 3.5mm jack)

There are 2 4-way mini jacks for component video and composite video+stereo audio. Both cables are included. It is clunky to use either. The LIVE chooses to use the jacks and it looks sleekier than having the RCA jacks especially if they are in the front.

Still 4 damn cables for my connection (Power, Cat5E, HDMI & Optical), and I'm not even connecting any hard disks via USB.

IMHO, the Patriot Box is the most utilitarian especially if you're to connect a 2.5" HDD.

[carldufourm]

I am very pleased with my WDTV Live, I stream everything trough an Ethernet cable and didn't experience a problem with this functionality yet.

I have experienced some problems with the audio on hd mkv's. I don’t know if it is the audio or the video who is not playing at the right time, but the audio comes before the video (only on certain hd mkv's). Has anyone experienced this problem too? I doubt it is my receiver because I have experienced this issue only with the WDTV Live.

[rems]

There are 2 4-way mini jacks for component video and composite video+stereo audio. Both cables are included. It is clunky to use either. The LIVE chooses to use the jacks and it looks sleekier than having the RCA jacks especially if they are in the front.

Still 4 damn cables for my connection (Power, Cat5E, HDMI & Optical), and I'm not even connecting any hard disks via USB.

IMHO, the Patriot Box is the most utilitarian especially if you're to connect a 2.5" HDD.

so can I connect say, the HDMI and have the video output through that while having the sound output through the composite cables?

[micron15]

so can I connect say, the HDMI and have the video output through that while having the sound output through the composite cables?

I'm in the same boat and tried getting audio through composite and video via HDMI. Didn't work for me :(
Not sure if there's any settings that needs to be changed.

Any help on this issue is greatly appreciated!

[ppl4golf]

so can I connect say, the HDMI and have the video output through that while having the sound output through the composite cables?


I'm in the same boat and tried getting audio through composite and video via HDMI. Didn't work for me :(
Not sure if there's any settings that needs to be changed.

Any help on this issue is greatly appreciated!

I haven't tried that myself.

I do know, HDMI + OPTICAL can have audio at the same time.

The LIVE doesn't play video simutaneously on HDMI and RCA. The saving grace is if the HDMI is unplugged, the RCA will play then.

You may try setting the audio to ANALOG under the HDMI setting if you'e using the RCA audio.

[rems]

I haven't tried that myself.

I do know, HDMI + OPTICAL can have audio at the same time.

The LIVE doesn't play video simutaneously on HDMI and RCA. The saving grace is if the HDMI is unplugged, the RCA will play then.

You may try setting the audio to ANALOG under the HDMI setting if you'e using the RCA audio.

Ill give this a try...

[GoDaddy]

I tried some usb adapters for wireless. And it didn't seem to work.

So I'm gonna get a dwa-140 since its on their compatible list.

My question is, all I need to do is plug in the usb adapter right (and go to the network setting) ?

[rvs007]

I tried some usb adapters for wireless. And it didn't seem to work.

So I'm gonna get a dwa-140 since its on their compatible list.

My question is, all I need to do is plug in the usb adapter right (and go to the network setting) ?
Yes, assuming you have a Wireless N network set up already, then plug in the Wireless N USB adapter into one of the USB ports and go into the network settings to set it up to look for your network.

Do post your results when you have it set up. I'm interested to see if the Dlink router/USB adapter does a better job than the Linksys.

[GoDaddy]

Does the router have to be the same brand (I would of thought not).

I have a linksys router. Just wanted to buy the dlink usb since I found it used for cheap, but not it's gone :(

I'll have to find another usb adap.

[rems]

I haven't tried that myself.

I do know, HDMI + OPTICAL can have audio at the same time.

The LIVE doesn't play video simutaneously on HDMI and RCA. The saving grace is if the HDMI is unplugged, the RCA will play then.

You may try setting the audio to ANALOG under the HDMI setting if you'e using the RCA audio.


Ill give this a try...

I just tried it...doesn't work
I set the video to HDMI and the audio through Stereo...

[betamaxman]

I am very pleased with my WDTV Live, I stream everything trough an Ethernet cable and didn't experience a problem with this functionality yet.

I have experienced some problems with the audio on hd mkv's. I don’t know if it is the audio or the video who is not playing at the right time, but the audio comes before the video (only on certain hd mkv's). Has anyone experienced this problem too? I doubt it is my receiver because I have experienced this issue only with the WDTV Live.

I am having the same trouble with HD mp4 and quick time HD, ever since I upgraded the firmware.
Would you try this file
http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp4/bitcast-a.bitgravity.com/revision3/web/hdnation/0019/hdnation--0019--maui--hd.h264.mp4
Or this one
http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp4/bitcast-a.bitgravity.com/revision3/web/hdnation/0019/hdnation--0019--maui--hd720p30.h264.mp4
And please let me know if you have the same issue with them.
They are both safe, a HD video podcasts I watch from revision3, 'HD Nation'

[GoDaddy]

Do you guys know if it's possible to put a usb hub so I can plug in more external usb hard drives ?

[timduncan]

I just tried it...doesn't work
I set the video to HDMI and the audio through Stereo...

It works for me. I just connected both the composite and HDMI to my tv and I can watch either without unplugging anything. I also tried connecting the audio cables of the composite to my ordinary home theater dvd player and it has sound as well simultaneously with my tv speaker through HDMI. It works out of the box, didn't do anything.

[rems]

It works for me. I just connected both the composite and HDMI to my tv and I can watch either without unplugging anything. I also tried connecting the audio cables of the composite to my ordinary home theater dvd player and it has sound as well simultaneously with my tv speaker through HDMI. It works out of the box, didn't do anything.

hmmm maybe its my tv then...
Maybe it can't input/output HDMI and composite separately at the same time...
At least I know it works cuz Im looking for a home theatre system...

[BillyBob-]

Could anyone confirm if it's possible to play a video on repeat?

I'd like to use this to demo a video.

Thank you.

[Thrillingbroom]

Could anyone confirm if it's possible to play a video on repeat?

I'd like to use this to demo a video.

Thank you.


Yes you can, just start playing a video then under the Options screen there is a repeat function, for one video as well as for a folder/playlist.

[YouKilledMyFather]

Do you guys know if it's possible to put a usb hub so I can plug in more external usb hard drives ?

For whatever reason official WDTV Live firmware does not support USB hubs.
However hacked firmware from b-rad (b-rad.cc) does.

I don't know what on earth WD were thinking to disable USB hub support....

[hymack]

For those of you having problems with network shares under Windows 7, as I have for the past month, TVersity works wonders! MKV files are detected and play back without problems.

Thanks for the tip, whoever posted it :cheesygri

[BillyBob-]

Yes you can, just start playing a video then under the Options screen there is a repeat function, for one video as well as for a folder/playlist.

Thank you!

[rvs007]

For anyone who is also trying to stream HD video to the HDTV Live using a wireless connection and has been unsuccessful, I recommend trying out a Powerline ethernet adapter, like the D-Link PowerLine HD Network Starter Kit (DHP-303):

http://www.dlink.ca/products/?pid=713

I bought one from Staples today for $129.99 ($149.99 with a $20 off coupon) and I am able to stream 1080p material through my house's electrical wiring without any stuttering or disconnections. Installation is a breeze... just plug the adapters into any electrical wall outlet then connect them to your router & WDTV Live using the supplied ethernet cable. That's it.

[gottagetta]

For anyone who is also trying to stream HD video to the HDTV Live using a wireless connection and has been unsuccessful, I recommend trying out a Powerline ethernet adapter, like the D-Link PowerLine HD Network Starter Kit (DHP-303):

http://www.dlink.ca/products/?pid=713

I bought one from Staples today for $129.99 ($149.99 with a $20 off coupon) and I am able to stream 1080p material through my house's electrical wiring without any stuttering or disconnections. Installation is a breeze... just plug the adapters into any electrical wall outlet then connect them to your router & WDTV Live using the supplied ethernet cable. That's it.

This looks like what I was looking in terms of a solution for me. Thanks rvs007. All my A/V stuff is in the basement and my wireless signal is weak there. I was thinking of trying to wire it down there but if I can use this, it will solve my problem. Great idea.

[jblade44]

For anyone who is also trying to stream HD video to the HDTV Live using a wireless connection and has been unsuccessful, I recommend trying out a Powerline ethernet adapter, like the D-Link PowerLine HD Network Starter Kit (DHP-303):

http://www.dlink.ca/products/?pid=713

I bought one from Staples today for $129.99 ($149.99 with a $20 off coupon) and I am able to stream 1080p material through my house's electrical wiring without any stuttering or disconnections. Installation is a breeze... just plug the adapters into any electrical wall outlet then connect them to your router & WDTV Live using the supplied ethernet cable. That's it.

You can get the D-Link a little cheaper (30.00 cheaper if no coupon) at CC if you have one close by

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=024012&cid=NTW.540

[ppl4golf]

I am sorry to report there are more network problems.

I updated firmware and things were pretty solid for just less than a week. However, there are more problems. Firstly, I found out a 4th PC would not get connected, the name is listed but said the media server cannot be connected.

This morning, the network has nothing, needed to redo network setup. Now, same old $hit, the network is again dropping off randomly while playing. I also noticed new random stuttering with higher bitrate material like Blu rips that never happened before.

If you're going to jump on it, be prepared to use some software server or even go with 3rd party firmware. I have enough of this BS and will go to a 3rd party firmware. This is supposed to be a cool convenient gadget and so far it's all headache.

[rvs007]

You can get the D-Link a little cheaper (30.00 cheaper if no coupon) at CC if you have one close by

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=024012&cid=NTW.540
Thanks. I bought it from Staples because I wanted to make sure I can return it without hassle if it didn't work in my house. But it's good to know it's available for cheaper.

[gottagetta]

You can get the D-Link a little cheaper (30.00 cheaper if no coupon) at CC if you have one close by

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=024012&cid=NTW.540

Reading the product description some more it looks like there may be an issue connecting these adapters to a surge protector. So use at own risk.


Connecting this product to a power strip with a surge protector may adversely affect the performance of this product.

[rvs007]

Reading the product description some more it looks like there may be an issue connecting these adapters to a surge protector. So use at own risk.
I have the adapters plugged directly into the wall outlets for now. Maybe tonight I'll try plugging both ends into UPSes and see how it affects the transfer rates.

[Mirx]

I just got my WDTV Live box, and the firmware already blows the standard wdtv and wdlxtv out of the water.
Does anyone know if there's a way to load the wdtv live fireware onto a regular wdtv box? I know about b-rad's modded firmware, but even that on a standard wdtv box doesn't work as smooth as the wdtv live firmware.

[look30]

For anyone who is also trying to stream HD video to the HDTV Live using a wireless connection and has been unsuccessful, I recommend trying out a Powerline ethernet adapter, like the D-Link PowerLine HD Network Starter Kit (DHP-303):

.

There are cheaper solutions here:
http://www.researchelectronic.com/fta.php?sub=5&a=10

[Jeff146]

There are cheaper solutions here:
http://www.researchelectronic.com/fta.php?sub=5&a=10

Have you used it before?

Any reviews?

Seems interesting and if it's good I might just have to grab one.

[Hollaman]

If I was to play a standard tv show. It's an xvid file that is 400mb. Would the wdtv upconvert it to 720/1080i on my lcd tv? This has probably been answered already. But thx

[porphyra]

If I was to play a standard tv show. It's an xvid file that is 400mb. Would the wdtv upconvert it to 720/1080i on my lcd tv? This has probably been answered already. But thx

AFAIK, no. There is no upscaling unit in the WDTV Live.

[lead]

I just got my WDTV Live box, and the firmware already blows the standard wdtv and wdlxtv out of the water.
Does anyone know if there's a way to load the wdtv live fireware onto a regular wdtv box? I know about b-rad's modded firmware, but even that on a standard wdtv box doesn't work as smooth as the wdtv live firmware.

no, different chipset.

In fact the their's a new wdtv(1) gen.2 based on the live's chipset and as of yesterday it couldn't be flashed with the live's either.Different layout same chip(no ethernet etc). Their's alot of the firmware like the kernel which isn't manipulated. Hacked fimwares just add things to the linux os etc. If sigma says that wdtv wasn't licensed for it then never will. The new generation 2 version of the orignal allows for dts downmixing but not for generation 1 because wdtv didn't pay for that generation to get it.

If the live dropped the value of re-seling your old wdtv to upgrade. Then this kinda hurts it even more since it already is being reported found in stores for under a 100 and has dts down mixing. I wonder if western digital did that on purpose to compete with re-sales. They didn't add a gen 2 sticker so as to not distinguish between gen1

[Hollaman]

AFAIK, no. There is no upscaling unit in the WDTV Live.

Damn. So there is no discernible difference in image quality bw this and say an xbox 360?

Im assuming the asus o!play doesnt upscale either?

I might just pick up the Kaser Mambo bc it apparently upscales content:

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10124346&catid=26259

[porphyra]

Damn. So there is no discernible difference in image quality bw this and say an xbox 360?

Im assuming the asus o!play doesnt upscale either?

I might just pick up the Kaser Mambo bc it apparently upscales content:

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10124346&catid=26259

Nevermind. Apparently it does scale. It was just hard to find, buried somewhere on their products page.
http://forum.videohelp.com/topic374280.html#2014211

Quote from the link above:

I would say the upscaler in this player is much better than my TV and also much better than my Samsung HTIB.
However you can tell it's upscaling. The picture quality also seems a bit darker. Not sure yet. I was concentrating on darker videos to see if there was much pixilation. I compared 2 videos, both from the same exact source. 1 encoded Xvid at 94% constant quality and the other encoded H.264 at 65% constant quality. The H.264 looked better. I looked at both of them zoomed in at 4x. The H.264 really won out big time.

Anyways, it seems like you probably want to start switching to more h.264 based encodes than xvid, for this player.

[Hollaman]

Nevermind. Apparently it does scale. It was just hard to find, buried somewhere on their products page.
http://forum.videohelp.com/topic374280.html#2014211

Quote from the link above:

I would say the upscaler in this player is much better than my TV and also much better than my Samsung HTIB.
However you can tell it's upscaling. The picture quality also seems a bit darker. Not sure yet. I was concentrating on darker videos to see if there was much pixilation. I compared 2 videos, both from the same exact source. 1 encoded Xvid at 94% constant quality and the other encoded H.264 at 65% constant quality. The H.264 looked better. I looked at both of them zoomed in at 4x. The H.264 really won out big time.

Anyways, it seems like you probably want to start switching to more h.264 based encodes than xvid, for this player.

ok awesome. Ya I searched for that and I couldnt find any information on whether it upscales or not. Im def going to get it now thx

[Mirx]

no, different chipset.

In fact the their's a new wdtv(1) gen.2 based on the live's chipset and as of yesterday it couldn't be flashed with the live's either.Different layout same chip(no ethernet etc). Their's alot of the firmware like the kernel which isn't manipulated. Hacked fimwares just add things to the linux os etc. If sigma says that wdtv wasn't licensed for it then never will. The new generation 2 version of the orignal allows for dts downmixing but not for generation 1 because wdtv didn't pay for that generation to get it.

If the live dropped the value of re-seling your old wdtv to upgrade. Then this kinda hurts it even more since it already is being reported found in stores for under a 100 and has dts down mixing. I wonder if western digital did that on purpose to compete with re-sales. They didn't add a gen 2 sticker so as to not distinguish between gen1

Thanks. Then back to Costco my gen1 WDTV (not live) box goes.
I have 2 of them now, one of each and 5 minutes on the live box makes me dislike my gen1 box

[rvs007]

Thanks. Then back to Costco my gen1 WDTV (not live) box goes.
I have 2 of them now, one of each and 5 minutes on the live box makes me dislike my gen1 box
Yes, I also returned the gen1 WDTV to Costco the very next day I got the Live. Menus are much more responsive, and support for component and ethernet connections really sold it for me.

[rvs007]

Off-topic post:

Does anyone know if there's a program out there that can scan media files and renames the filename with proper show/season/episode/title and adds a proper thumbnail? I'm just looking for an easy way to better organize my movies & TV shows on the WDTV Live.

[Pr0metheus]

Off-topic post:

Does anyone know if there's a program out there that can scan media files and renames the filename with proper show/season/episode/title and adds a proper thumbnail? I'm just looking for an easy way to better organize my movies & TV shows on the WDTV Live.

If something like that exists, that would be awesome!

[porphyra]

Off-topic post:

Does anyone know if there's a program out there that can scan media files and renames the filename with proper show/season/episode/title and adds a proper thumbnail? I'm just looking for an easy way to better organize my movies & TV shows on the WDTV Live.

I haven't heard of any, and personally I wouldn't want one like that. A lot of my filenames are named in the way they are for a special reason.

However this site here, will help you find covers, and format/convert them to the appropriate size for thumbnail view for the WDTV Live.

http://www.wdtvc.com/thumbnail-creator/

[enko]

Anyone else feel we should start a new WDTV thread, or get this one moved?

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/wdtv-live-thread-818440

Decided to be proactive lol...

[lead]

Off-topic post:

Does anyone know if there's a program out there that can scan media files and renames the filename with proper show/season/episode/title and adds a proper thumbnail? I'm just looking for an easy way to better organize my movies & TV shows on the WDTV Live.


Aquiring pictures movies and info well thats known as scraping in the xbmc world.
But for it to work its up to the end user to rename the file file properly. 2 movies can have the same name and can only be determined by the year. Where they pull the info from also controls how things are to be named. Some of xbmc's scrapers are pretty darn good at determining files by their name and have multiple sources to pull the info from. It can be done manually or automatically,dvd cover/icon/widescreen icon.
Their isn't a standalone with on screen scraping by stock firmware that I am aware off. Till I saw screenshots of a realtek based unit that could pull from imdb. I'd like to find that again.

[porphyra]

It will be a long while before any of these players match the working and look/feel of XBMC or Media centre.

I would kill for the GUI to be even remotely close to this, for instance:
http://www.mediabrowser.tv/forum/download/file.php?id=578
http://i41.tinypic.com/23j1jr4.png

Source: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16403353#post16403353

[lead]

yeah highly doubtful since xbmc uses either direct x or opengl and all these standalones are mip based cores with 2d rendering. Thats why an ion based platform would be the cheapest efficent route to go.

xbmc finally started changing the stock skin. The new alpha comes with Confluence.

[DISH]

how does this differ from having my macbook pro hooked up to my plasma? Will I see a difference in picture quality on HD content?

[slowtyper]

how does this differ from having my macbook pro hooked up to my plasma? Will I see a difference in picture quality on HD content?
Well for one, you don't have to go hook up your laptop to your TV everytime you want to watch something. This is the main reason I plan on getting one closer to the Christmas season or boxing day.

[sheriffabc]

I would have liked it if they incorporated wireless into the device. Not interested in purchasing a separate wireless USB adapter.

I have a wireless adapter - could I hook it to the usb port and surf on WDTV live and see it on the TV?

[rvs007]

I have a wireless adapter - could I hook it to the usb port and surf on WDTV live and see it on the TV?

You can stream music via Pandora/Live365, videos via Youtube, view pictures via Flickr off the internet, but you can't surf websites in a browser if that's what you're asking.

[betamaxman]

It will be a long while before any of these players match the working and look/feel of XBMC or Media centre.

I would kill for the GUI to be even remotely close to this, for instance:
Yes that's important.

[belowzeros]

wow that Vista MCE plugin is all kinds of sexy

[porphyra]

Yes that's important.

I am going to assume that you are being sarcastic here, so I will further that it does indeed make a difference to the entire experience. Nothing like a slick and smooth interface than wading through clunky, unintuitive folders, layout and the lot.

A big reason I didn't go with the Asus or Patriot is because of the GUI. The WD Live trumps them in terms of the GUI. Of course it too has a long way to go, but hopefully soon enough.

[ppl4golf]

how does this differ from having my macbook pro hooked up to my plasma? Will I see a difference in picture quality on HD content?


Well for one, you don't have to go hook up your laptop to your TV everytime you want to watch something. This is the main reason I plan on getting one closer to the Christmas season or boxing day.

I used to think hooking up a laptop to a big screen was the dumbest thing.
But in reality, yes it is clunky...but in dollar-sense and versatility, it is not so bad.

WDTV Live + 320GB 2.5" HDD + enclosure = almost $250
Revo/Zino/ASRock whatever cute box = $400+
Cheapo lappy but good enough for ANY media content = $400-450

Obviously the laptop is the most functional of the three on the go.

[rems]

I used to think hooking up a laptop to a big screen was the dumbest thing.
But in reality, yes it is clunky...but in dollar-sense and versatility, it is not so bad.

WDTV Live + 320GB 2.5" HDD + enclosure = almost $250
Revo/Zino/ASRock whatever cute box = $400+
Cheapo lappy but good enough for ANY media content = $400-450

Obviously the laptop is the most functional of the three on the go.

what video card would be on that laptop for $500? I dont think plugging in an onboard video card into a 42"+ tv will result in anything good...
and who needs a hard drive when you can network it...

[Pr0metheus]

I used to think hooking up a laptop to a big screen was the dumbest thing.
But in reality, yes it is clunky...but in dollar-sense and versatility, it is not so bad.

WDTV Live + 320GB 2.5" HDD + enclosure = almost $250
Revo/Zino/ASRock whatever cute box = $400+
Cheapo lappy but good enough for ANY media content = $400-450

Obviously the laptop is the most functional of the three on the go.

If that laptop can output HDMI, then I'm sold.

[ppl4golf]

If that laptop can output HDMI, then I'm sold.


what video card would be on that laptop for $500? I dont think plugging in an onboard video card into a 42"+ tv will result in anything good...
and who needs a hard drive when you can network it...

This may do...(though expired but will certainly come again)

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/scalding-like-my-old-hp-laptop-motherboard-gateway-nv4403h-14-1-398-00-walmart-800645/

Pairing a dual core with ATI3200/4200, Nvidia 8200/8300/ION or even Intel X4500HD will do any media chore as good if not better than the WD. The said lappy is a single but the onboard graphic helps.

One caution on lappy is you generally get $hitty sound unless you use HDMI receiver.

[ppl4golf]

what video card would be on that laptop for $500? I dont think plugging in an onboard video card into a 42"+ tv will result in anything good...
and who needs a hard drive when you can network it...

I added the HDD for fair comparison for price. I got my WD and thought I would use it in the car for long trips. I am glad I didn't buy an expensive 2.5" external drive for that once a year expedition. The Patriot might have been a better choice for that purpose.

I'll most likely just get a cheap laptop if I need video on the go.

[Hollaman]

so what video formats are you guys downloading for this?

whats the best bang for your buck? I'm sticking with h.264 movies right now bc they look pretty good. Any other suggestions?

[ovexi]

Newegg has also a wireless N USB adapter (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16833166041)which seems to work with WDTV Live according to an user there.

[lead]

I used to think hooking up a laptop to a big screen was the dumbest thing.
But in reality, yes it is clunky...but in dollar-sense and versatility, it is not so bad.

WDTV Live + 320GB 2.5" HDD + enclosure = almost $250
Revo/Zino/ASRock whatever cute box = $400+
Cheapo lappy but good enough for ANY media content = $400-450

Obviously the laptop is the most functional of the three on the go.

they have an ion itx board for $91 after mir at newegg free shipping right now.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500029
go bestdirect get the itx case for 40 a gig of ram for 20 a hard drive if you want it(1tb was going for 69 last week) or just usb flash drive for xbmc live. Go for the wireless n adapter for $11. Now either a remote or wireless usb keyboard(those ps3 compatiable ones come with mouse scroll too I paid 19.99)

All in your still under a popcorn c200 with a hell of alot more options.

[ppl4golf]

so what video formats are you guys downloading for this?

whats the best bang for your buck? I'm sticking with h.264 movies right now bc they look pretty good. Any other suggestions?

The LIVE works so well with MKV it's not even funny.

For quality/storage size ratio, MKV is king.

[ppl4golf]

they have an ion itx board for $91 after mir at newegg free shipping right now.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500029
go bestdirect get the itx case for 40 a gig of ram for 20 a hard drive if you want it(1tb was going for 69 last week) or just usb flash drive for xbmc live. Go for the wireless n adapter for $11. Now either a remote or wireless usb keyboard(those ps3 compatiable ones come with mouse scroll too I paid 19.99)

All in your still under a popcorn c200 with a hell of alot more options.

Nice rig but it falls just below my minimum requirement for an HTPC without a dual core CPU. I like the ION platform and I like the form factor. The price is pretty good and there goes for the posers who think Zino (maybe Revo too) is 'the' HTPC but wake up and find out what these anemic machines are worth :)

You're right on it still beats a Popcorn machine any day in price and versatility. Once you HTPC, you can't settle for less...especially if you also PVR like I do with OTA HD.

[Hugh]

In the GTA, you can pick up this unit from Infonec this week for $135.99 slightly less than CC charges http://www.infonec.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=449628

In the GVR, you can pick it up at NCIX for $129.99 (until December 1) http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=42231&vpn=WDBAAN0000NBK-NESN&manufacture=Western%20Digital%20WD%20Retail&promoid=1006

[gflux]

I used to think hooking up a laptop to a big screen was the dumbest thing.
But in reality, yes it is clunky...but in dollar-sense and versatility, it is not so bad.

WDTV Live + 320GB 2.5" HDD + enclosure = almost $250
Revo/Zino/ASRock whatever cute box = $400+
Cheapo lappy but good enough for ANY media content = $400-450

Obviously the laptop is the most functional of the three on the go.

You can build a dedicated XBMC PC based on a Nvidia ION motherboard for around $250. It's a bit of work though.

[bucow]

CC has a sale now for $130.

I'm still debating whether I want this. Or, I do but not sure if I should spend the money. Ahh!

[BandH]

You can build a dedicated XBMC PC based on a Nvidia ION motherboard for around $250. It's a bit of work though.

Wehre did you purchase the parts from to get it for $250?

Thanks

[rvs007]

CC has a sale now for $130.

I'm still debating whether I want this. Or, I do but not sure if I should spend the money. Ahh!

Pricematch with Bestbuy for another $4 off.

[betamaxman]

I used to think hooking up a laptop to a big screen was the dumbest thing.
But in reality, yes it is clunky...but in dollar-sense and versatility, it is not so bad.

WDTV Live + 320GB 2.5" HDD + enclosure = almost $250
Revo/Zino/ASRock whatever cute box = $400+
Cheapo lappy but good enough for ANY media content = $400-450

Obviously the laptop is the most functional of the three on the go.
Mine pluss hard drive was almost $230, but I bought the 1tb external 3.5 from FS. 500gb 2.5 external drives have been had for under $100 and getting cheaper.

[gflux]

Wehre did you purchase the parts from to get it for $250?

Thanks

Newegg.ca has a Zotac ION based motherboard for $122, a case for $50, IR reciever for $30, etc

[pmcd]

Newegg.ca has a Zotac ION based motherboard for $122, a case for $50, IR reciever for $30, etc

Add shipping, taxes, etc... and in the end you end up with this noisy ugly box next to a nice HDTV. To get a reasonable nice HTPC which is Ion based (such as the Acer Aspire Revo with dual core support) is going to end up costing you around $400 and even then you don't have a powerhouse of a computer (but more than enough as a media player).

The $120 price that CC is charging for a Patriot BO is around what all of the media players have been going for recently ( Asus, WDTV2). I don't quite see the justification for moving up to an HTPC for $400, especially since you can't record from cable in Canada. So we are basically talking media player (mind you XBMC makes for a nicer experience).

pmcd

[strangerbynight]

just went to local memory express store and pick one up for $124.99 and they offer me 2 years free replacement if anything go wrong with it, all came up to $155 and change, wow works amazing, you can brownse youtube and watch anything up there, the interface is awsome, worth every penny so far

[saimer]

updated firmware, now it supports resume playing - don't remember it's supported in old firmware. also all my initial network share problem went away. couldn't be happier with this little gadget.

[Civuck]

updated firmware, now it supports resume playing - don't remember it's supported in old firmware. also all my initial network share problem went away. couldn't be happier with this little gadget.Resume playback is not new - it was always a feature, even with the original WDTV - very handy!

[ancnfamily]

Ok, this little thing can play almost everything. It streams up to 720P over 1Gig ethernet no problem. When I try to stream 1080P , video and voice is not in sync so extrenal hard drive is recommended. So by the time one buys one of these little boxes and buys external hardrive ( if needed), this little thing is not worthed. It is a cold deal.
Why, because I can stream 1080P over same ethernet cable on my PS3 slim with out any issues.
On other hand, when I stream 1080P on my MAC Book Pro over wireless (timecapsule) I have no issues.


My network set-up is as follows: Bell Sympatico 2Wire(used as modem), Linksys WRT310N router (routing only), Apple 1TB time capsule (brige mode wireless AP), HP media server EX475.

[rvs007]

Ok, this little thing can play almost everything. It streams up to 720P over 1Gig ethernet no problem. When I try to stream 1080P , video and voice is not in sync so extrenal hard drive is recommended. So by the time one buys one of these little boxes and buys external hardrive ( if needed), this little thing is not worthed. It is a cold deal.
Why, because I can stream 1080P over same ethernet cable on my PS3 slim with out any issues.
On other hand, when I stream 1080P on my MAC Book Pro over wireless (timecapsule) I have no issues.


My network set-up is as follows: Bell Sympatico 2Wire(used as modem), Linksys WRT310N router (routing only), Apple 1TB time capsule (brige mode wireless AP), HP media server EX475.
I can stream 1080p material over a powerline ethernet connection (up to 200Mbps) without any lag/sync problems. You with a 1Gig ethernet connection should not have a problem.

[ancnfamily]

I can stream 1080p material over a powerline ethernet connection (up to 200Mbps) without any lag/sync problems. You with a 1Gig ethernet connection should not have a problem.


I can stream 1080P over Gig-Ethernet, that is not an issue, issue is that there is a delay between video and audio.

[rvs007]

I can stream 1080P over Gig-Ethernet, that is not an issue, issue is that there is a delay between video and audio.
then I don't see how an external hard drive would solve your problem. The video & audio lag would suggest a decoding problem.

[sml]

Just picked this up last week at BB and got a pm at Memoryexpress in Calgary yesterday for $122+tax. Just wanted to say that this thing has no problems streaming 1080p videos (11GB files) over a 10/100 ethernet network. It's streaming through a Linksys WRT54G from a slow server computer running mediatomb on ubuntu. It's awesome!

[ancnfamily]

then I don't see how an external hard drive would solve your problem. The video & audio lag would suggest a decoding problem.

It works fine with external hard drive. Even if i use my TimeCapsule for routing i get same issue.

[brucered]

so i got a question, instead of burning dvd's and wasting them all. if i keep backups of all my movies and/or videos on my pc and get one of these things i'll be saving the environment, my time and money on dvds.

but, my receiver does NOT have HDMI and there is nothing wrong with it and i have no desire upgrade my receiver.

if i get one of these, am i still going to be able to use my receiver for the AUDIO playback so i get DD 5.1 sound etc? i don't want to go back to just using the TV speakers, but i would love to get away from cataloging dvd's and storing them, especially the ones i only watch once or twice.

[porphyra]

so i got a question, instead of burning dvd's and wasting them all. if i keep backups of all my movies and/or videos on my pc and get one of these things i'll be saving the environment, my time and money on dvds.

but, my receiver does NOT have HDMI and there is nothing wrong with it and i have no desire upgrade my receiver.

if i get one of these, am i still going to be able to use my receiver for the AUDIO playback so i get DD 5.1 sound etc? i don't want to go back to just using the TV speakers, but i would love to get away from cataloging dvd's and storing them, especially the ones i only watch once or twice.

Yes. A lot of people, myself included, don't have new receivers with HDMI input and don't see the reason to upgrade perfectly good receivers.

The WDTV Live has Optical (Toslink) output, which will work in conjuction with HDMI output, which you can send directly to your TV. So all standard DD 5.1 and DTS streams (save for hi-def digital audio) will work.

[brucered]

Yes. A lot of people, myself included, don't have new receivers with HDMI input and don't see the reason to upgrade perfectly good receivers.

The WDTV Live has Optical (Toslink) output, which will work in conjuction with HDMI output, which you can send directly to your TV. So all standard DD 5.1 and DTS streams (save for hi-def digital audio) will work.

thanks. i use HDMI for my dvd player, but directly to the TV for UPCONVERTING function, then connect it with OPTICAL TOSLINK to my receiver for the Dolby function.

perhaps, i should look into one of these, but just a bit more clarification before i pull the trigger and/or put it on my Xmas want list.

so if i wanted to make it WIRED, and not have to buy a wireless adapter for my router, i would just buy an ETHERNET cable, and connect my router and WDTV together, then connect the WDTV toslink optical connection to my receiver, i would then be able to watch whatever is stored on my PC on my TV with DD 5.1 sound?

if that`s how it works, i think it`s what i`ve been looking for.

[lead]

so i got a question, instead of burning dvd's and wasting them all. if i keep backups of all my movies and/or videos on my pc and get one of these things i'll be saving the environment, my time and money on dvds

The best/easiest way has always been just burning iso copy for backups on pc, but currently wdtv doesn't support it. Realtek chipped ones do. You could probably still return it and take your pick of the variety available. Its nice having the choices now so you can pick the product that best supports your greatest needs.

[brucered]

The best/easiest way has always been just burning iso copy for backups on pc, but currently wdtv doesn't support it. Realtek chipped ones do. You could probably still return it and take your pick of the variety available. Its nice having the choices now so you can pick the product that best supports your greatest needs.

so if i backup a movie on my pc in an ISO or IMG format, i can't use the WDTV to watch it on my PC? :cry:

i need something that will play .ISO or .IMG files from my CPU to my TV without having to burn to DVD :mad:

[porphyra]

so if i wanted to make it WIRED, and not have to buy a wireless adapter for my router, i would just buy an ETHERNET cable, and connect my router and WDTV together, then connect the WDTV toslink optical connection to my receiver, i would then be able to watch whatever is stored on my PC on my TV with DD 5.1 sound?

if that`s how it works, i think it`s what i`ve been looking for.

In theory, yes. Whether or not the networking will go as smoothly is another topic but irrelevant to your immediate concern. It will do what you require, as it is and in the setup you describe. I have the exact same setup.

[porphyra]

so if i backup a movie on my pc in an ISO or IMG format, i can't use the WDTV to watch it on my PC? :cry:

i need something that will play .ISO or .IMG files from my CPU to my TV without having to burn to DVD :mad:

Note: It WILL play the movie (i.e. the largest file) in a DVD image format. It currently has no support for DVD Menus. So if you want to see and access it like a complete DVD, then so far there isn't a support for it.

But you can play the main movie.

[Noobzilla]

A WDTV will play ISO files but not IMG files.

I think you can just rename an IMG file to an ISO though.

[lead]

so if i backup a movie on my pc in an ISO or IMG format, i can't use the WDTV to watch it on my PC? :cry:

i need something that will play .ISO or .IMG files from my CPU to my TV without having to burn to DVD :mad:

as stated it will play the iso but no dvd menus. Will it come, it never did for wdtv original nor the recent gen 2 of the original. So for wdtv live its a greater than 50% it won't, probably because sigma never licensed it to wdtv(they may not have paid for it). If the iso menu is important you have other products in the price range that support it.

[bluga]

So if you have a PS3 then you don't really need this?

[to_vento]

So if you have a PS3 then you don't really need this?

As far as I know, PS3 does NOT play MKV files, nor does it support subtitle files. At least natively it doesn't. I know, you can convert MKV and can package subtitles with various programs, but it's another step.

This is part of the reason I'm so frustrated with my OPPO 980HD. Great DVD player, but I paid the extra money for the "outstanding" Divx/xvid support. Well, it isn't "outstanding" as I have to constantly check the encoding and sometimes have to completely re-encode a file to watch it.

I'd love a PS3, as it truly would be an all-in-one (with the blue ray support)...I'm just waiting to see what will happen with the MKV and subtitle issue.

[ppl4golf]

It works fine with external hard drive. Even if i use my TimeCapsule for routing i get same issue.

There are network glitches that haven't been figured out and the funny thing is my network issues creep up with time. Stock firmware worked for 1 day then I have problems. The updated firmware worked for a week and started to have lots of problems also. It is also true for my unit that there are more stuttering after my firmware upgrade.

I remember I streamed the 1080p bird scene on repeat 30 times and did not have any problem...now, I get a stutter once in a while :(

Same goes with some BDMV rips.

[brucered]

as stated it will play the iso but no dvd menus. Will it come, it never did for wdtv original nor the recent gen 2 of the original. So for wdtv live its a greater than 50% it won't, probably because sigma never licensed it to wdtv(they may not have paid for it). If the iso menu is important you have other products in the price range that support it.

THANKS. i'm mostly concerned with playing the movie file, not the extras, menu etc.

i'll investigate the other options first, but this looks to be a nice unit for the price

[hornjo]

2 questions:
Will mkv's /h.264 only play over HDMI, I am currently hooked up to my CRT via RCA, and I get a message that the file is not supported.
Can some one give me a "dummy-proof" step by step instructions on how to add B-rad's custom firmware.

[rvs007]

2 questions:
Will mkv's /h.264 only play over HDMI, I am currently hooked up to my CRT via RCA, and I get a message that the file is not supported.
Can some one give me a "dummy-proof" step by step instructions on how to add B-rad's custom firmware.
I haven't tried RCA with the WDTV Live (I'm using component), but when I had the WDTV (1st gen) I was able to play MKV/h.264 material while connected via RCA to my TV. I would expect the WDTV Live can do the same.

[RLP06]

So if you have a PS3 then you don't really need this?

I think the WDTV has better support, maybe 5% of the files that work on WDTV will not work on PS3

[snowie007]

I hope this has not been asked before....

I am using a WinXP Pro SP3 computer and have sharing and security enabled on the folder I want my WDTV Live to see. They are connected using wired connections thru a D-Link 615 router. Internet connections are not a problem as I can access YouTube with WDTV.

The problem I have is that the WDTV sees the folder but when I try to get into that folder, it says "No Media Content" when I clearly have the correct files in it (e.g., AVI, jpg, VOBs, WMV, MOV, etc). What am I doing wrong??

[ppl4golf]

I hope this has not been asked before....

I am using a WinXP Pro SP3 computer and have sharing and security enabled on the folder I want my WDTV Live to see. They are connected using wired connections thru a D-Link 615 router. Internet connections are not a problem as I can access YouTube with WDTV.

The problem I have is that the WDTV sees the folder but when I try to get into that folder, it says "No Media Content" when I clearly have the correct files in it (e.g., AVI, jpg, VOBs, WMV, MOV, etc). What am I doing wrong??

You did no wrong unless you just got the unit and figured out all sorts of network problems the hard way (without reading a little about it as I warned more than once fairly explicitly about the flaky network:)). I am on the updated firmware and it worked great for about a week and not I don't see the network, or media, or get dropped off randomly.

WDTV Live probably has the best hardware that is great for 3rd firmware and it looks like I am heading that way also.

Check the firmware and do an update if yours is not the latest.

[Jeff146]

Anyone have any problems with Harmony Remote with WDTV Live?

I try to program in the activities and it would sometimes turn on but not all the time and I can never get it to turn off and it would only turn off if I hit the help and it sends the command again.

[Phils]

Anyone have any problems with Harmony Remote with WDTV Live?

I try to program in the activities and it would sometimes turn on but not all the time and I can never get it to turn off and it would only turn off if I hit the help and it sends the command again.

Works great with my 550 and my LG LCD.

[VanillaPep]

anyone got prob with w7 sharing?

[ppl4golf]

Anyone have any problems with Harmony Remote with WDTV Live?

I try to program in the activities and it would sometimes turn on but not all the time and I can never get it to turn off and it would only turn off if I hit the help and it sends the command again.

Use Original WDTV HD in the Harmony database, not the WDTV Live.

Same remote and obviously the LIVE remote resource may be screwed up. It didn't even work when I got it a month ago.

[Civuck]

Pricing at $129.99 and lots of stock at Canada Computers (http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=025525&cid=VID.978) store locations.

Pricematch to Best Buy's $169.99 price. (http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10131807&catid=26259)

[Limech]

Heads up!! DON'T UPGRADE THE FIRMWARE!!!

A new firmware is being rolled out (the unit will prompt you to install) that is bricking many units.

http://community.wdc.com/t5/forums/forumtopicpage/board-id/tv_live/message-id/104#M104

That's version 1.01.12. Stay away from it!

As with all updates, prior to going forward with it I visited the forums. Glad I did. :)

[timduncan]

Heads up!! DON'T UPGRADE THE FIRMWARE!!!

A new firmware is being rolled out (the unit will prompt you to install) that is bricking many units.

http://community.wdc.com/t5/forums/forumtopicpage/board-id/tv_live/message-id/104#M104

That's version 1.01.12. Stay away from it!

As with all updates, prior to going forward with it I visited the forums. Glad I did. :)

Thanks for the heads up. I haven't read this warning earlier but luckily, my box was able to update successfully by going to system setting. Otherwise, it will go back to BB. (After the update, I noticed a weird message on top of the screen "Unable to create media library". It doesn't have this message before I updated. Though, I can still play every files but without the media library.)

[rui]

Pricing at $129.99 and lots of stock at Canada Computers (http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=025525&cid=VID.978) store locations.

Pricematch to Best Buy's $169.99 price. (http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10131807&catid=26259)

Not in stock @BB

[crashxxx]

Heads up!! DON'T UPGRADE THE FIRMWARE!!!

A new firmware is being rolled out (the unit will prompt you to install) that is bricking many units.

http://community.wdc.com/t5/forums/forumtopicpage/board-id/tv_live/message-id/104#M104

That's version 1.01.12. Stay away from it!

As with all updates, prior to going forward with it I visited the forums. Glad I did. :)

thanks for posting this info, very useful post !! :)

I was fence sitting on which unit to get for Christmas, the patriot, Oplay or WDTV. based on this little (huge) fiasco, it won't be a WDTV Live.
After reading their forums and having no official response from WD themselves or at the VERY least pulling the file off their servers so this doesn't happen to others... no thanks..
nice customer support WD :cry:

[ppl4golf]

I updated to the .12 firmware online, my LIVE still works but nothing is fixed. I still frequently get NO MEDIA FOUND and THE MEDIA SERVER IS NOT AVAILABLE.

The .12 update did not fix anything except for LIVE UPDATE MANAGER.

[snowie007]

You did no wrong unless you just got the unit and figured out all sorts of network problems the hard way (without reading a little about it as I warned more than once fairly explicitly about the flaky network:)). I am on the updated firmware and it worked great for about a week and not I don't see the network, or media, or get dropped off randomly.

WDTV Live probably has the best hardware that is great for 3rd firmware and it looks like I am heading that way also.

Check the firmware and do an update if yours is not the latest.

With help from WDTV forum users, I figured how to solve this problem. You have to login using your own WinXP user name and password in WDTV as you would in your PC. I was using the default "Anonymous" login and blank pwd in WDTV and got "no media content". Once I tried my WinXP login and pwd in WDTV, everything works!

[porphyra]

I updated to the .12 firmware online, my LIVE still works but nothing is fixed. I still frequently get NO MEDIA FOUND and THE MEDIA SERVER IS NOT AVAILABLE.

The .12 update did not fix anything except for LIVE UPDATE MANAGER.

Well yes; this is mentioned in the Release log on the WD site. Why would you expect something more?

It only fixes the live update manager. So I wouldn't bother with it until a newer firmware version, especially given that other people had issues with it.

[Civuck]

Not in stock @BBSome stores are still showing stock.

[neostrider]

If you're in the Barrie area, for their Grand Opening, they are selling the WDTV Live for $119.99 for their Grand Opening this weekend.

[bluga]

Does this thing work with Windows 7 64bit?

[rvs007]

Does this thing work with Windows 7 64bit?
Yes, I'm using it with Win7 x64.

[ppl4golf]

With help from WDTV forum users, I figured how to solve this problem. You have to login using your own WinXP user name and password in WDTV as you would in your PC. I was using the default "Anonymous" login and blank pwd in WDTV and got "no media content". Once I tried my WinXP login and pwd in WDTV, everything works!

Good tip for others with XP problem. I could get in both sometimes I couldn't or get dropped out.


Well yes; this is mentioned in the Release log on the WD site. Why would you expect something more?

It only fixes the live update manager. So I wouldn't bother with it until a newer firmware version, especially given that other people had issues with it.

Well, it was a new firmware and I thought it might start things off clean slate.
Anyway, I am glad it still works.

[ppl4golf]

Well, it all doesn't make any sense...

Anyways, I haven't noticed much network problem for a couple of days since I selected 'Share WDTV Live on the network' to OFF.

I don't attach any storage on the LIVE so it's no biggies for me if it is not being seen on the network by others.

I must say it is quite lovable when it's working properly.

[cpus456]

Anyone having issues with theses

the first one i have crapped out after a months usage. It just starting to blink continuously
it just stays on the western digital loading screen

tried it on another tv with component cable - samething

returned it - got another - pluged it in - exact same thing???

Anyone heard of this?

[Phils]

Well, it all doesn't make any sense...

Anyways, I haven't noticed much network problem for a couple of days since I selected 'Share WDTV Live on the network' to OFF.

I don't attach any storage on the LIVE so it's no biggies for me if it is not being seen on the network by others.

I must say it is quite lovable when it's working properly.

My network share issues are also gone. When the .12 firmware caused so many issues and the .11 hadn't, I decided to finally do the .11. After it restarted, my network shares issue was solved.

[ppl4golf]

My network share issues are also gone. When the .12 firmware caused so many issues and the .11 hadn't, I decided to finally do the .11. After it restarted, my network shares issue was solved.

After I did .11 my LIVE's networking in shared folders was solid for a good week but then same old. Watch out!

Try disable the LIVE to 'Share on network' if you encounter problem again, LMK if that fixes anything.

[J-Wo]

Has anybody seen this at any BB's in the GTA? Want to price match with XpressCanada but looks like it's sold out online and throughout Ontario.

[btb82]

It is showing 139.99 at Canada Computers. Should update title.

[micron15]

Anybody know a good software that will scan the folders for movie name and then import movie info from sources like Imdb and finally saving it as a text or jpeg file.
Basically I'm trying to auto-import movie poster for all the movies I have, that way I can get a quick summary of each movie by viewing it through WDTV.

[maddog2007]

Anybody know a good software that will scan the folders for movie name and then import movie info from sources like Imdb and finally saving it as a text or jpeg file.
Basically I'm trying to auto-import movie poster for all the movies I have, that way I can get a quick summary of each movie by viewing it through WDTV.

Yeah the programs I use are Metabrowser and TVixiE

Here's a link

http://themetabrowser.com

http://www.tvixie.com

:lol::cheesygri

[Jeff146]

Yeah the programs I use are Metabrowser and TVixiE

Here's a link

http://themetabrowser.com

http://www.tvixie.com

:lol::cheesygri

How does someone work with these two software?

Is there a like a tutorial?

[Thrillingbroom]

Yeah the programs I use are Metabrowser and TVixiE

Here's a link

http://themetabrowser.com

http://www.tvixie.com

:lol::cheesygri

I was under the impression that those only worked with WD TV HD and not Live and you also needed custom firmware for it.

[porphyra]

Yeah the programs I use are Metabrowser and TVixiE

Here's a link

http://themetabrowser.com

http://www.tvixie.com

:lol::cheesygri

Or try this. This guy wrote this software for WDTV in particular. The thumbs generated are ideal 2:3 ratio.

http://thumbgen.blogspot.com/


Hi

I wrote a simple app to collect/generate thumbnails for WDTV and I was thinking maybe it can help others too Smiley

The app is not touching existing video/subtitle files, only places the selected poster/cover near the movie, as .jpg, having same name as the movie file.

Generated thumbnails-urile are 200x300 (max. 70KB) and can be chosen from amazon.com, themoviedb.org and/or thetvdb.com.
It basically scans "*.avi", "*.mkv", "*.mpg", "*.mpeg", "*.wmv9", "*.divx", "*.m2t", "*.m2ts", "*.m2v", "*.mov", "*.movie", "*.mp4", "*.mts", "*.ts", "*.tp", "*.vob", "*.wm", "*.wmv" files in all selected folders and, based on the movie filename tries to perform a search.
If the default search is not retrieving optimal results the user can refine/adjust the keywords and restart the search.

I wrote it for me, so I do not guarantee 100% satisfaction for everybody (it is a beta version, a draft) Smiley

If there is interest (from your side) and time (from mine) we can think about adding providers/extensions.

PS: The app is a classical ClickOnce distribution (no extra registry/files) and can be uninstalled easily from Add/Remove Programs.

However the damn problem is that if you have a thumbnail and the movie as movie.jpg and movie.mkv, it will show 2 thumbs and there is really no way to know which is what. Really ******** programming from WDTV engineers. The idea is that they want to show every type of supported file. IF that is the case, then why bother with the main categories of VIDEO, MUSIC, PHOTO etc. When I am in VIDEO, I don't want to also see jpg or other image files in the folder.

AFAIK, no one has figured out a way around this yet. At this point, it is so annoying that I have found it better to have no thumbs than to have this dual display...

[J-Wo]

It is showing 139.99 at Canada Computers. Should update title.

XpressCanada is still showing this at $128

[ADRiiAN`]

Picked this up at Canada Computers.

The fact that my PS3 did not play .MKV files bothered me. I downloaded tons of HD .mkv movies only to find out that PS3 did not play it. Plus, with the PS3 FAT32 limitations, wasn't convenient for me.

Now I can take this WDTV and my HDD anywhere and hook it up to any TV out there. Awesomeee

[fatpat]

I was able to price match this at Best Buy against Newegg today for $125.99 + $10 off (coupon).

Sweet deal at 115.99 :)

[J-Wo]

I was able to price match this at Best Buy against Newegg today for $125.99 + $10 off (coupon).

Sweet deal at 115.99 :)

Where do you live? What Best Buy location?

[timduncan]

Finally the coupons from BB arrived. Went to BB tonight to return and re-buy my wdtv live applying the $10 coupon with matching PM from NCIX. It came to $116 + tax. Sweet price indeed.

[addicted2it]

Finally the coupons from BB arrived. Went to BB tonight to return and re-buy my wdtv live applying the $10 coupon with matching PM from NCIX. It came to $116 + tax. Sweet price indeed.

Which coupons? Are these being mailed out by BB:o

[xaueious]

Available at Newegg.ca with Free Shipping if you want to buy from a more reliable source:
Western Digital USB 2.0 WD TV Live Network-Ready HD Media Player WDBAAN0000NBK-NESN - Retail
$129.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136472

Try price matching that one too

[fatpat]

Where do you live? What Best Buy location?

Best Buy Leaside (East York/Toronto)

They had to pull the WD TV Live from the back. There were none on display.

[fatpat]

Which coupons? Are these being mailed out by BB:o

Link to coupons:
http://bestbuy.ca/marketing/pcs_dec09/en/?CMP=NLC-email_weekly

[Lost Monkey]

Sorry if this question has already been answered - but my searches aren't turning this up (maybe I am not using the right search terms...)

A friend of mine bought the original WDTV unit, and while it will play HD WMV files, they play without sound. Has this been fixed in the Live unit?

[rivermist]

bestbuy wouldn't price match ncix or newegg.ca

If they charge restocking fee then they can't price match.
:-(

[fatpat]

Sorry if this question has already been answered - but my searches aren't turning this up (maybe I am not using the right search terms...)

A friend of mine bought the original WDTV unit, and while it will play HD WMV files, they play without sound. Has this been fixed in the Live unit?

It should, the original WDTV didn't support DTS downmixing. I'm pretty sure the Live does. I'll confirm later.

[Vinman]

A friend of mine bought the original WDTV unit, and while it will play HD WMV files, they play without sound. Has this been fixed in the Live unit?

Yep, both the WDTV Live! and ASUS O!Play support DTS processing, so the 99% of HD files that use DTS audio will now play properly.

Networking is nice, but DTS audio is a must-have feature these days.

[fatpat]

bestbuy wouldn't price match ncix or newegg.ca

If they charge restocking fee then they can't price match.
:-(

They gave me the same excuse, but they said they would price-match Canada Computers. When I mentioned that Canada Computers also has a restocking fee then he accepted the price match with newegg.ca.

I don't see that restocking fee exclusion anywhere in their price guarantee policy.

[jackboot]

bestbuy wouldn't price match ncix or newegg.ca

If they charge restocking fee then they can't price match.
:-(

This isn't in their PM policy...the rep you are dealing with is just making it up. Phone customer support and let them know that one of the stores isn't abiding by their PM policy.

[avh]

maybe repost but newegg has 129.99 and free shipping now, picked one up
avh

[name777]

Just got a pm from BB, they have a pile of these boxes at Bay and Dundas. $125+taxes. If you don't need it immediately, Newegg is still the best deal with free shipping.

[Lost Monkey]

It should, the original WDTV didn't support DTS downmixing. I'm pretty sure the Live does. I'll confirm later.


Yep, both the WDTV Live! and ASUS O!Play support DTS processing, so the 99% of HD files that use DTS audio will now play properly.

Networking is nice, but DTS audio is a must-have feature these days.

Thanks! I am going to try to PM this after work...

[flyingdida]

after pm xpresscanada + $10 off
the final price is $128 with tax. not bad

[J-Wo]

after pm xpresscanada + $10 off
the final price is $128 with tax. not bad

Got the same price after pm at Best Buy Markham, but MAN was it a headache. First, ISPU/returns linup was so slow cause this location is always understaffed at customer service, plus employees called in sick cause of the storm. Second, manager said newegg is not an authorized dealer whatever the crap that means. Third, manager called xpresscanada who told them the price was $139.99 despite my printout saying $128. I immediately called them back on my cell only to hear "Canada Computers, can I help you" on the other end. Finally I clued in he was quoting the CC price, not the XC price so I had to have him verbally confirm the price for the manager who replied on my cell "You just told me $139.99, now I have a customer in my face telling me that price is wrong, I don't appreciate being lied to!"

What a major PITA. I never have these problems at FS. How do you argue with managers who said ncix/newegg are not "authorized resellers"???

In case anyone is wonder, the math works out to $169.99 --> $128 price match - $4.20 difference - $10 coupon = $113.80 plus 13% tax = $128.59.

[jackboot]

How do you argue with managers who said ncix/newegg are not "authorized resellers"???

Simply ask them on what grounds they are claiming that the competitor is not an "authorised dealer." The fact is that almost everyone selling products that FS/BB sell are in fact an authorised dealer.

[belowzeros]

The fact is that almost everyone selling products that FS/BB sell are in fact an authorised dealer.


not true but I think in this case the manager did it just to get rid of the OP

[Mirx]

What makes a place an "authorized dealer"?
Not being an authorized dealer, makes it sound like newegg/ncix is stealing this stuff "off the back of a truck" somewhere. They're obviously legitimate businesses purchasing at better rates then BB/FS, either through volume, or with lower margins and overhead. Do BB/FS get product directly from WD where as non-authorized places get it from a distributor? Even still, if they do, it all comes from WD, so again, my original question, what makes a place an "authorized dealer"?

Thanks

[ukhan]

Successfully PM'd at Scarborough Town Centre Best Buy. They have tons in stock.

Used Newegg.ca for PM and was lucky because the page said Free shipping.

After PM + 10% coupon, it worked out to $115.99 + tax. Awesome deal!

[brucered]

maybe repost but newegg has 129.99 and free shipping now, picked one up
avh

memoryexpress also had the WDTV LIVE for $129.99

[Civuck]

memoryexpress also had the WDTV LIVE for $129.99And they are an "authorized dealer" according to the Western Digital website...

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6008/49857416.jpg

[brucered]

And they are an "authorized dealer" according to the Western Digital website...

? so are their rebates or something for them right now thru authorized dealers or is it just best to buy from authorized for warranty reasons?

[apn64]

Successfully PM'd at Scarborough Town Centre Best Buy. They have tons in stock.

Used Newegg.ca for PM and was lucky because the page said Free shipping.

After PM + 10% coupon, it worked out to $115.99 + tax. Awesome deal!

Good for you!

When I tried to PM a digital cam w/ Amazon.ca that was also offered w/ FREE shipping, BB insisted that it didn't count because their PM policy states next-day shipping, so they we're going to PM to price + next day shipping, hence I walked and ordered online.

[lshapiro]

I have about 200 dvds which I have ripped to VOB files. Has anyone tried playing VOBs and what is the search functionality like for searching through the dvds. Will it display the DVD cover and any meta data.

Thanks

[xla4life]

Successfully PM'd at Scarborough Town Centre Best Buy. They have tons in stock.

Used Newegg.ca for PM and was lucky because the page said Free shipping.

After PM + 10% coupon, it worked out to $115.99 + tax. Awesome deal!

Awesome! I assume you applied the coupon after the PM. otherwise, you would not save as much.

[ukhan]

Awesome! I assume you applied the coupon after the PM. otherwise, you would not save as much.

Yup, PM was done first and then I applied the 10% coupon. The 10% coupon expires today, so whoever wants it at this price better go get it today!

[jdt]

Yup, PM was done first and then I applied the 10% coupon. The 10% coupon expires today, so whoever wants it at this price better go get it today!

Hmm.. where's that 10% coupon available online? I'm trying to do a price match over the phone with BB, after purchasing from their web site. I tried pm in store before but they wouldn't do it, I'm hoping to have more luck over the phone. I'm hoping I can just drop a reference to that coupon.

[xla4life]

Worst case you just have to PM with Canadacomputers. They are listed as a valid reseller. you lose out on $1

[ukhan]

Hmm.. where's that 10% coupon available online? I'm trying to do a price match over the phone with BB, after purchasing from their web site. I tried pm in store before but they wouldn't do it, I'm hoping to have more luck over the phone. I'm hoping I can just drop a reference to that coupon.

Coupon is here: http://bestbuy.ca/marketing/pcs_dec09/en/?CMP=NLC-email_weekly

[rvs007]

Worst case you just have to PM with Canadacomputers. They are listed as a valid reseller. you lose out on $1
Well, no... you lose out on $11, since you're PM'ing to $139.99.

[rvs007]

Hmm.. where's that 10% coupon available online? It's not a 10% coupon, but a $10 off coupon...

[xla4life]

Well, no... you lose out on $11, since you're PM'ing to $139.99.

:lol:

[ppl4golf]

I have about 200 dvds which I have ripped to VOB files. Has anyone tried playing VOBs and what is the search functionality like for searching through the dvds. Will it display the DVD cover and any meta data.

Thanks

This has been beaten to death...

Look elsewhere (Patriot Box Office or Asus OPlay) if you mainly want to do DVDs

[rvs007]

I have about 200 dvds which I have ripped to VOB files. Has anyone tried playing VOBs and what is the search functionality like for searching through the dvds. Will it display the DVD cover and any meta data.

Thanks
You can play VOB files from a DVD, but you won't get the DVD menus or chapter capabilities.

It can display DVD cover for the folder if you add one and called it "folder.jpg".

[brucered]

You can play VOB files from a DVD, but you won't get the DVD menus or chapter capabilities.

It can display DVD cover for the folder if you add one and called it "folder.jpg".

so normally there are multiple vob files on a dvd or in a dvd folder, so with the WDTV do you have to hit play again for each vob file, or will it stream a .iso or .img file to the tv and play without interruption?

[jdt]

Coupon is here: http://bestbuy.ca/marketing/pcs_dec09/en/?CMP=NLC-email_weekly

Ok, after spending 15 minutes on the phone with a rep and getting nowhere (he told me he was having computer issues, and suggested that I just call back and restart all over), and then another 35 minutes with a rep who was actually able to get it done (even though at first she said that newegg wasn't on BB competitors' list therefore they couldn't pm), it looks like pm'ing with newegg is going to work... The rep said she now has to send the pm request to the pm department, who might overrule it... she said it would take 1-5 days for the pm department to confirm.

So I'm not sure doing this over the web/phone is the best way anymore :)

Now, this was purchased over the web with the store pick-up option. It seemed like if I was going to use the 10$ of coupon that the rep would only be able to apply it to the pre-pm price, not post-pm. My issue is, should I pick it up from the store now or wait for the pm confirmation? The 10$ of coupon expires today. If I wait for the pm confirmation (in 1-5 days) then the coupon will have expired. On the other hand, if I pick it up now and use the coupon, they will try to use the coupon on the pre-pm amount?

The rep did say that if I mention the pm confirmation # at the store they might be able to do it right away... but she wasn't sure. Anyone have experience with that?

Oh, and I don't have a printer at home to print that darn coupon. Are the stores strict about having a print-out of the coupon, or can I just mention it?

[xla4life]

Went to Richmond Hill BB and was originally denied the PM at the cashier. "We don't PM online stores.... " He told me to try at Customer Service thinking I'll be denied again. However, the nice lady there did the PM with no questions asked. She even reminded me to use the $10 coupon (after PM).

It all depends on who you get I guess.

btw. only 6 left at that location.

Happy hunting!

[rivermist]

I got the same BS today at another store.
They interpret the "readily available" as being next day delivery.

So I couldn't use newegg, it was $33 express shipping.
So I went to ncix...they has next day delivery for $10.

manager said done deal (129.99 + $10): $139 - 3 - 10)...+tax

What a hassle.


Good for you!

When I tried to PM a digital cam w/ Amazon.ca that was also offered w/ FREE shipping, BB insisted that it didn't count because their PM policy states next-day shipping, so they we're going to PM to price + next day shipping, hence I walked and ordered online.

[rivermist]

ok, the policy does say "next day delivery"
my bad.


I got the same BS today at another store.
They interpret the "readily available" as being next day delivery.

So I couldn't use newegg, it was $33 express shipping.
So I went to ncix...they has next day delivery for $10.

manager said done deal (129.99 + $10): $139 - 3 - 10)...+tax

What a hassle.

[J-Wo]

I know this has been "Beaten to death" but I'm a new owner and haven't had a chance to go through all 60+ pages of this thread... from what I've read the WDTV Live is the weakest VOB playback capabilities when compared to the Patriot Box or O'Play, but best GUI and PQ/IQ. I do have a lot of DVDs ripped into VIDEO_TS folders with VOB files so lack of menus, track selection or ISO support is a minor annoyance. But I also hear there is a lively WDTV community out there. What are the chances of a 3rd party firmware being released to enhance the WDTV Live capabilities, such as VOB playback?

[bishopper]

I ordered mine for in store pick up at BestBuy. Printed the newegg page for $129.99 and $10 off coupon. Showed the lady the newegg price at pickup, she said no problem and punched it in. Then I presented the coupon and said no problem again. When she tried to apply the coupon the system blocked it since it was already price matched. She overwrote it and punched it in. Final price $115.99 (129.99-$4-$10). Worth a shot if you can make it out before the coupon expires tonight.

[jdt]

Grrrr! So I went to pick up my web order to bb in East York (Laird). I'm still waiting for the pm'ing over the phone to take effect (see my post above), but I figured I might as well try to do the pm in store. They refused to pm with either newegg or memory express. They were ok with giving me the 10$ off coupon even if I didn't have a print-out.

So now I'm just hoping that the phone pm will be eventually applied, off of the original 169.99 price... if not I'll return it.

Congrats to those who were able to pm... I'm not one of the lucky ones :evil:

[J-Wo]

Ya I've always had bad experiencies PMing at BB. Either try another day and hopefully different staff at customer service or another location.

[Vinman]

So now I'm just hoping that the phone pm will be eventually applied, off of the original 169.99 price... if not I'll return it.

Right now BB has it on sale for $149, which with the $10 coupon already applied for $139 regular BB price, means you'll probably get the PM either through the phone, or when you return it.

Also, Amazon finally has stock at the $129 price (mine shipped yesterday) with free shipping.

[dave8844]

Canada Computers now has it on for $129 as well and showing lots of stock at each GTA location.

[xla4life]

Canada Computers now has it on for $129 as well and showing lots of stock at each GTA location.

That should make PM's easier then.

[mikka1989]

ncix has the o!play on sale one day only today for $90. HURRY before its sold out

[sspikachu25]

its sold out lol

[crasher]

Just bought from BB for 131 after PM and rebate. Now getting second Oplay from NCIX. WD going back to BB. OPlay is $95 and plays all the files which WD cant play. Remote is much better for Oplay too.

[mjavor]

WDTV Live had trouble playing one of my video files.

I am not impressed. =/

[Vinman]

ncix has the o!play on sale one day only today for $90. HURRY before its sold out

Crazy deal with the latest firmware - get 'em while they're hot!!


WDTV Live had trouble playing one of my video files.

Which format was that, and *please* don't say RMVB...

[Civuck]

A new custom homebrew firmware for the WDTV Live with lots of new features has been posted: WDlxTV Live 0.030

- BitTorrent support
- Newsgroup downloading & post processing support
- Web-based configuration access

Here's the link (http://b-rad.cc/1066/wdlxtv-live0-3-0/).

[Jeff146]

A new custom homebrew firmware for the WDTV Live with lots of new features has been posted: WDlxTV Live 0.030

- BitTorrent support
- Newsgroup downloading & post processing support
- Web-based configuration access

Here's the link (http://b-rad.cc/1066/wdlxtv-live0-3-0/).

Sweet I like the new features!

[lvxihan]

A new custom homebrew firmware for the WDTV Live with lots of new features has been posted: WDlxTV Live 0.030

- BitTorrent support
- Newsgroup downloading & post processing support
- Web-based configuration access

Here's the link (http://b-rad.cc/1066/wdlxtv-live0-3-0/).

Sounds good...

What does the 'BitTorrent support' mean?

Can it download and play the movie at the same time?

[enko]

Hot!

[rvs007]

Sounds good...

What does the 'BitTorrent support' mean?

Can it download and play the movie at the same time?
No, Bittorrent doesn't work that way. It grabs small chucks of the entire file in a non-sequential order so you won't be able to play the movie until the entire file is downloaded.

[MexicanPeso]

I was going to pick one of these up, but went crazy and bought the Acer aspite tevo r3610 to put xbmc on... it is on its way....

in the mean time I have the belkin usb n1 mimo adapter, it anyone is interested. Here are the USB Adapters that we've tested: Ralink based

Manufacturer Model # Device Name
Belkin F5D8055 N1 Wireless USB adapter
Belkin F5D8051 N1 Wireless USB adapter
Buffalo WLI-UC-G300HP Wireless N compact USB 2.0 Adapter
Buffalo WLI-UC-G300N Wireless N compact USB 2.0 Adapter
Buffalo WLI-UC-GN Mini
D-Link DWA-140 Rangebooster N USB Adapter
EnGenius EUB-9701 Wireless N adapter
Linksys WUSB100 Rangeplus wireless network usb adapter
Linksys WUSB600N Wireless-N USB network adapter with dual-band
Trendnet TEW-644UB Wireless N USB adapter
Trendnet TEW-645UB Wireless N USB adapter
Trendnet TEW-664UB 300Mbps Dual Band WirelessN USB Adapter
Sitecom WL-329 Wireless Dualband USB Adapter

I have the FSD8051, it is brand new, have box, etc.. 40 fora nyone who wants it, I am in Richmond hill.

I might still pick the wd live up, but it will be wired, I love the mkv support.

[5abSingh]

124.99 at Compu2000.
http://www.compu2000.com/product/10165/WDBAAN0000NBK_NESN/Western_Digital_WD/
You'll have to pay shipping, unless you're around the Richmond store or you manage to get a PM at Best Buy and they don't notice the shipping

[rvs007]

124.99 at Compu2000.
http://www.compu2000.com/product/10165/WDBAAN0000NBK_NESN/Western_Digital_WD/
You'll have to pay shipping, unless you're around the Richmond store or you manage to get a PM at Best Buy and they don't notice the shipping

^^ You'll also save the PST if you are outside BC.

[lead]

here's some interesting info involving WDTV. Their being sued for copy write infringement. Whose sueing them?, the developers of linux busybox.

They were named on the 14th/09 along with a bestbuy, samsung etc for profiting off the use of or basically using the busybox gpl source code for profit and not releasing the source code publicly along with their product yadayada(legalise) easily and within a reasonable period of time.

Interesting was this "Western Digital's
WDBABF0000NBK WD TV HD Media Player" was named as the device in question.

Under the licensing of busybox if infringed on the agreement then "any party that redistributes BusyBox in a manner that does not comply with the License immediately and automatically loses all rights granted under the License to copy and modify BusyBox." thats not good I wonder if it can stop sales or suspend support? would this mean the original is now dead? or soon to be?how will this affect live?

I guess its pretty clear why asus(not named) has always called their unit open source and releases gpl source codes with firmwares(although not completely which is against the rules asus!)
you want too read the whole thing its here:
http://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2009/busybox-complaint-2009-12-14.pdf

[lint]

For those in Calgary, $119.99 at MemEx until Dec 20
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/PID-MX25664(ME).aspx

[CatDog]

has there been any updates to fixed the bricked WDTV from the .12 update? I've been busy with exams and havent been following.