Secret Internet Policing Treaty leaked.. extremely bad news (if it happens)

[Akraz]

FTA: http://www.boingboing.net/2009/11/03/secret-copyright-tre.html

Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.
The internet chapter of the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, a secret copyright treaty whose text Obama's administration refused to disclose due to "national security" concerns, has leaked. It's bad. It says:

* * That ISPs have to proactively police copyright on user-contributed material. This means that it will be impossible to run a service like Flickr or YouTube or Blogger, since hiring enough lawyers to ensure that the mountain of material uploaded every second isn't infringing will exceed any hope of profitability.

* * That ISPs have to cut off the Internet access of accused copyright infringers or face liability. This means that your entire family could be denied to the internet -- and hence to civic participation, health information, education, communications, and their means of earning a living -- if one member is accused of copyright infringement, without access to a trial or counsel.

* * That the whole world must adopt US-style "notice-and-takedown" rules that require ISPs to remove any material that is accused -- again, without evidence or trial -- of infringing copyright. This has proved a disaster in the US and other countries, where it provides an easy means of censoring material, just by accusing it of infringing copyright.

* * Mandatory prohibitions on breaking DRM, even if doing so for a lawful purpose (e.g., to make a work available to disabled people; for archival preservation; because you own the copyrighted work that is locked up with DRM)

[Emancipated]

Sounds like a lot of political posturing. Doesn't it need to pass a vote here in Canada?

[hagbard]

Just more whittling away at our freedom. Might not get it through in one chuck but they'll do it in pieces. This has been going on for a very long time. Governments don't like what they can't control.

[proust]

Alarmism

[hagbard]

Alarmism

Sure. ;)

[Shaner]

Just more whittling away at our freedom. Might not get it through in one chuck but they'll do it in pieces. This has been going on for a very long time. Governments don't like what they can't control.

The governments don't give a crap about copyrights nor do they care about controlling the internet. The spread of information on the internet is what threatens government, and nothing the government does can stop that. The only reason they are doing anything about copyrights is because all their rich friends are forcing their hands.

Just another reason why I don't believe democracy/capitalism works. The only people that benefit are the wealthy. The middle class is seemingly disappearing and the lower class seems to get more and more people added to it every year.

[hagbard]

The governments don't give a crap about copyrights nor do they care about controlling the internet. The spread of information on the internet is what threatens government, and nothing the government does can stop that. The only reason they are doing anything about copyrights is because all their rich friends are forcing their hands.

Just another reason why I don't believe democracy/capitalism works. The only people that benefit are the wealthy. The middle class is seemingly disappearing and the lower class seems to get more and more people added to it every year.

How convenient too. Blame the "capitalists" then put them all in charge when we switch over to socialism. Same guys, different title.

[delavoie]

it's fake.. not true at all.

[hagbard]

it's fake.. not true at all.

Could be. :cheesygri

[ephemera]

Sometimes they float these idea's to see the public reaction. But I do see this really happening eventually. Nothing good lasts for ever.

[5dark]

From the original article:

Despite the efforts to combat leaks, information on the Internet chapter has begun to emerge (just as they did with the other elements of the treaty). Sources say that the draft text, modeled on the U.S.-South Korea free trade agreement, focuses on following five issues:


Sources have also said in the past that Elvis is alive, Obama was never even born, the moon landing was fake, and Fox news is fair and balanced.

People need to start speculating more responsibly... don't believe everything you read on the internet.

[Georgie336]

don't believe everything you read on the internet.

...but i thought internet=god? :evil:

[Akraz]

don't believe everything you read on the internet.

I dont, however enough evidence is building up. with the introduction of internet censorship and removing net neutrality. who's to say this isn't a possibility?

[hagbard]

From the original article:


Sources have also said in the past that Elvis is alive, Obama was never even born, the moon landing was fake, and Fox news is fair and balanced.

People need to start speculating more responsibly... don't believe everything you read on the internet.

Sources also said that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and if we don't attack now the next warning will be a mushroom cloud. Its not limited to the internet. BTW, the moon landing is fake (can use me as a source). :lol:

[hagbard]

I dont, however enough evidence is building up. with the introduction of internet censorship and removing net neutrality. who's to say this isn't a possibility?

Doesn't net neutrality involve having the govt decide what is neutral or not and making adjustments? Sounds like regulation to me, not a free wheeling internet we all enjoy. Its yet another back door to control.

[5dark]

Sources have also said in the past that Elvis is alive, Obama was never even born, sunglasses indoors makes you look cool, and Fox news is fair and balanced.

People need to start speculating more responsibly... don't believe everything you read on the internet.

Fine, I fixed it for you.

[Akraz]

Doesn't net neutrality involve having the govt decide what is neutral or not and making adjustments? Sounds like regulation to me, not a free wheeling internet we all enjoy. Its yet another back door to control.

Yes, and this "treaty" is just ultimate control.

I never said it was set in stone :| I'm just trying to warn that it may be something to think about in the government's plans of control.

Dont think there's anything wrong with that :p

[hagbard]

Yes, and this "treaty" is just ultimate control.

I never said it was set in stone :| I'm just trying to warn that it may be something to think about in the government's plans of control.

Dont think there's anything wrong with that :p

Think we're on the same team...just need to be aware of all the tricks.

[Montague]

Think we're on the same team...just need to be aware of all the tricks.
Unless he really is one of *THEM* that wants you to think he is on your side.:eek:

[Akraz]

Unless he really is one of *THEM* that wants you to think he is on your side.:eek:

haha no way, I want to keep my free internet always and forever :(

[5dark]

What's an example of data being classified "neutral" or not neutral?

[Qbit]

Some of you people are really naive if you really don't think multi-national corporations aren't pushing for those things behind the scenes.

Some of those things are already reality in various countries throughout the world. Say hello to the modern aristocracy.

[Kasakato]

Why not go right to the source? http://www.international.gc.ca/trade-agreements-accords-commerciaux/fo/intellect_property.aspx

[wikkid_bigshot]

piracy always exist. just the means of doing so changes and the availability of such material becomes readily available as the mass convert to a different technology/means as the legal system makes the old obsolete.

They can ban napster, bit torrent, hell even newsgroup, Im certain somebody somewhere will find some other mean eventually.

This isn't stopping piracy, the law and corporate suits can never catch up to the technology and community that provide the means to piracy. This is stopping the regular joe from being able to pirate material. Once regular joes knew about napster, we knew that would die. Now that everyone and their grandma knew about bit torrents, that has no more ground to stand.

The happy medium is the distributor making the price of material justifiable. You either drop the cost such that it makes sense for the average joe to buy it and believe they receive the value for it, or they adopt the Asian philosophy of "value added". The Asian CDs have known to include collectibles like erasers, posters, and etc with the releases, especially their singes. 4.99 for 3 songs really isn't giving the consumers the right value.

[Jucius Maximus]

Alarmism

This whole thing is probably a carefully calculated "scam" where their real goal is to only enact 5% of the elements of the law. After huge protests prompted by this "leak", they will really water it down and only leave in the 5% they really wanted in the first place. People will cheer and breathe a sigh of relief.

In reality we would have never cheered for that 5% if it had been presented on its own.

[Matrixvibe]

...but i thought internet=god? :evil:

that would be google...lol

[stealth]

Patriot Act 2.0

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[Nettles]

Any of you ever heard of internet 2.0?

No one said it so I will....illuminati (or whatever less radical name you prefer to use for them)

[Akraz]

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/11/acta/

Read

[danfromwaterloo]

FTA: http://www.boingboing.net/2009/11/03/secret-copyright-tre.html

Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.
The internet chapter of the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, a secret copyright treaty whose text Obama's administration refused to disclose due to "national security" concerns, has leaked. It's bad. It says:

* * That ISPs have to proactively police copyright on user-contributed material. This means that it will be impossible to run a service like Flickr or YouTube or Blogger, since hiring enough lawyers to ensure that the mountain of material uploaded every second isn't infringing will exceed any hope of profitability.

* * That ISPs have to cut off the Internet access of accused copyright infringers or face liability. This means that your entire family could be denied to the internet -- and hence to civic participation, health information, education, communications, and their means of earning a living -- if one member is accused of copyright infringement, without access to a trial or counsel.

* * That the whole world must adopt US-style "notice-and-takedown" rules that require ISPs to remove any material that is accused -- again, without evidence or trial -- of infringing copyright. This has proved a disaster in the US and other countries, where it provides an easy means of censoring material, just by accusing it of infringing copyright.

* * Mandatory prohibitions on breaking DRM, even if doing so for a lawful purpose (e.g., to make a work available to disabled people; for archival preservation; because you own the copyrighted work that is locked up with DRM)

Where's the foil hats?

[hagbard]

Where's the foil hats?

Tin foil hats vs the rose coloured glasses. ;)

[MasterXan]

i'm kinda mixed on this net neutrality issue.

The supporters say that the ISPs would be forced to not throttle users or censor certain content.

however, people who are against it say that this is just another government takeover of the internet and what's in the net neutrality bill in the U.S. isn't the same as what the supporters are pushing for.

check out this great commentary

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Sl7qV7RlJo

[rageking]

The whole aim of course is to get the g overnments around the world to freely police their own citizens for the movie and music companies.

They will put out proposals they know will never pass in any country, mixed in with less radical proposals that have a chance. Being politicians they rightly know some of what they dish out will be passed just to save face.

I cant believe corporations are running and deciding policies in all the major industrialised nations on this planet. The fact that they even managed to get governments around the world to sit down repeatedly, over several years on these issues tells me how powerful these corporations have become.

That 3 strike thing will come to pass. Just watch. That is what they wanted in the first place, nothing else.