Nokia N900 started shipping today.

[Jonavin]

The wait is over.
http://conversations.nokia.com/2009/11/10/nokia-n900-begins-shipping/

No 3G unless you're on a AWS network (WIND, DAVE and Videotron). Nokia won't be making this phone in any other band. Works in 2G only on Fido and Rogers; won't work at all on Bell/Telus.

This is the new Nokia flagship device with Maemo/Linux and full Firefox browser (full Flash support). If you don't already know what it is, you probably don't want it.

[Qwavel]

I don't mean to be picky, but how could they have left a digital compass off of this phone?

Other then that oversight, and the lack of 850MHz, this phone sounds great.

[ClubberLang]

*eagerly awaits reviews*

This thing appears to have everything that I find lacking in the iphone... and improved on everything I wanted in my N95. *@#!! @ no 3G though. :(


I came across this the other day.


http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n800-runs-android-in-vmware-video-demo-2635750/

The n800 can run android with VMware. I am presuming you could do the same with the n900. if that's the case then it opens up a whole other world of applications.

[Zero1]

So is this the nokia version to compete with the Android OS?

[Digital_Domain]

I don't mean to be picky, but how could they have left a digital compass off of this phone?
It does have one.

This phone was perfect for me except no 3G. Ugh. Still thinking about it.

[ClubberLang]

So, I ordered one on amazon.com. It's being shipped to a relative in the states that is sending it back to me. Reviews have been good so far. It is all going to depend on the development community.

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n900-review-421.php

[deadprez]

with no 850mhz good luck trying to have a quality conversation anywhere that is not an open field.

If you wanna talk from your basement forget it.
Elevator forget it
The John forget it.

If you wanna kiss your mom goodnight over the phone you need to be standing on top of the CN tower to get reception.

All hail the almighty 850mhz :D

The E 72 is coming ... muuahahhahaha

[rai_dei]

with no 850mhz good luck trying to have a quality conversation anywhere that is not an open field.

If you wanna talk from your basement forget it.
Elevator forget it
The John forget it.

If you wanna kiss your mom goodnight over the phone you need to be standing on top of the CN tower to get reception.

All hail the almighty 850mhz :D

The E 72 is coming ... muuahahhahaha

They meant no 850mhz 3G band. Otherwise, the N900 is a quadband phone... Also FYI, I've owned an SE P1i, worked pretty much everywhere in Toronto without the 850mhz band...

[deadprez]

Well then where is the group buy thread ??:lol:

[Pyro]

will it not work on HSDPA for rogers or bell?

[Jonavin]

will it not work on HSDPA for rogers or bell?

No. Bell and Rogers has the spectrun license for this band, but they haven't built a network on it yet. Only WIND/DAVE/Videotron.

You could use a Bell Mifi and expose the wifi to it and use Bell 3G indirectly, but that's the closest you'll get to using their 3G until they build the network with the AWS they got.

[Pyro]

No. Bell and Rogers has the spectrun license for this band, but they haven't built a network on it yet. Only WIND/DAVE/Videotron.

You could use a Bell Mifi and expose the wifi to it and use Bell 3G indirectly, but that's the closest you'll get to using their 3G until they build the network with the AWS they got.

hm too bad
well i hope it drops the price on the n97 in the next few weeks then, but we'll see

[plucky duck]

is this phone already available in Canada? if so which carrier? price?

[ClubberLang]

The phone is not available with any Canadian Provier.

I purchased mine on amazon US. They are shipping to a family member in the states. Expected arrival date December 9th :)

[Taknarosh]

Resistive Screen killed the N900 in my mind.

[dani_toronto]

I've had an N800 (older brother of this N900) for about 2 years and love it as a WiFi tablet.

We get screwed and miss on the best devices due to regional protectionism: north american carriers want to own every aspect of the customers business so network frequencies are not compatible with anything else. Reminds me of the DVD regional settings.

European (nokia) and overseas (htc) manufacturers focus on their own markets, and north american developers are generations behind.

I believe whoever manages to launch a 900/2100 Mhz HSPA network in Canada will make a ton of money offering service to all the "nomad" unlocked cellphones out there.

(rant off)

Dani

[Jonavin]

I believe whoever manages to launch a 900/2100 Mhz HSPA network in Canada will make a ton of money offering service to all the "nomad" unlocked cellphones out there.

(rant off)

Dani

That would be NOONE. There's a reason why the frequencies are assigned the way they are. 900 and 2100 (BAND I) just doesn't exists in North America because it overlaps with existing usage. Nothing short of the government recalling all frequencies and re-issuing new bands will this ever change... and then you have hundreds of millions of existing North American devices that will no long work.

You would spend billions trying to rebuild and test all wireless networks. It's much easier just to add handset support like they do with quad-band GSM -- which worlds nearly everywhere in the world.

1700 AWS is the new standard in North America as nearly all carriers have spectrum in this frequencies. Rogers/Bell/Telus, each individually, has twice as much AWS spectrum than any of the new carriers. It's just a matter of time before Bell/Telus and Rogers/Fido use their AWS spectrum... the same spectrum your N900 operates on.

[ClubberLang]

Some examples of what the phone can do:

SNES emulator
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0wbLaMXeu4

Quake 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHSZfhY25Jc

[ClubberLang]

I've had an N800 (older brother of this N900) for about 2 years and love it as a WiFi tablet.

We get screwed and miss on the best devices due to regional protectionism: north american carriers want to own every aspect of the customers business so network frequencies are not compatible with anything else. Reminds me of the DVD regional settings.

European (nokia) and overseas (htc) manufacturers focus on their own markets, and north american developers are generations behind.

I believe whoever manages to launch a 900/2100 Mhz HSPA network in Canada will make a ton of money offering service to all the "nomad" unlocked cellphones out there.

(rant off)

Dani


The phone will work here. You just won't get 3G.

[Taknarosh]

I've had an N800 (older brother of this N900) for about 2 years and love it as a WiFi tablet.

We get screwed and miss on the best devices due to regional protectionism: north american carriers want to own every aspect of the customers business so network frequencies are not compatible with anything else. Reminds me of the DVD regional settings.

European (nokia) and overseas (htc) manufacturers focus on their own markets, and north american developers are generations behind.

I believe whoever manages to launch a 900/2100 Mhz HSPA network in Canada will make a ton of money offering service to all the "nomad" unlocked cellphones out there.

(rant off)

Dani

Actually it has nothing to do with protectionism.
It has more to do with Canada following the US like stupid sheep.

http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=99&p=1492

Read up on why Bands are so ****ed up in NA.

You can pretty much blame it on PCS.

The carriers had the full intention of harmonizing with Euro banding, they just couldn't.

[dani_toronto]

Ok, I acknowledge I'm not an expert on the source of this problem.

But I'm really familiar with its consequences: too many cool products that I can't utilize properly. I believe it doesn't make much sense to spend all that $$$ at this day an age for a phone that can't run HSPA (at least in the locations where I'd use it most).

Going back to the post topic: I believe the N900 is a wonderful piece. Maemo has never dissapointed me. From my N800 I do telnet, VNC, etc.
Linux in your pocket: http://maemo.org/

Dani




Actually it has nothing to do with protectionism.
It has more to do with Canada following the US like stupid sheep.
http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=99&p=1492
Read up on why Bands are so ****ed up in NA.
You can pretty much blame it on PCS.
The carriers had the full intention of harmonizing with Euro banding, they just couldn't.

[Taknarosh]

Ok, I acknowledge I'm not an expert on the source of this problem.

But I'm really familiar with its consequences: too many cool products that I can't utilize properly. I believe it doesn't make much sense to spend all that $$$ at this day an age for a phone that can't run HSPA (at least in the locations where I'd use it most).

Going back to the post topic: I believe the N900 is a wonderful piece. Maemo has never dissapointed me. From my N800 I do telnet, VNC, etc.
Linux in your pocket: http://maemo.org/

Dani

Yeah, I like you look with envy at all the phones our Euro counterparts get to enjoy before us.
Like I mentioned, carriers had the full intention of harmonizing their bands with European carriers.
I'm sure the manufactures wished it had worked out as well, it would have resulted in more sales and less delays delivering their products to the market.

But really there isn't anything we can do about it unless the government reassigns occupied bands.

Yes it makes absolutely no sense to buy a device that can't be used to it's full potential.

I cringe every time I see someone justifying buying a smartphone and simply relying on Wifi and claiming they are getting a full experience.

While I understand people have financial restriction preventing them from getting a data plan, do not try to make people believe you're getting the most out of your smartphone without 3G data.

[ClubberLang]

Ok, I acknowledge I'm not an expert on the source of this problem.

But I'm really familiar with its consequences: too many cool products that I can't utilize properly. I believe it doesn't make much sense to spend all that $$$ at this day an age for a phone that can't run HSPA (at least in the locations where I'd use it most).

Going back to the post topic: I believe the N900 is a wonderful piece. Maemo has never dissapointed me. From my N800 I do telnet, VNC, etc.
Linux in your pocket: http://maemo.org/


Dani
PADOW!!.

With Globalview finally getting approval it means that people in given areas will be able to get 3G with this phone. I am leaving Rogers as soon as possible.

[ClubberLang]

my order shipped. today is a good day.

[MarcusXP]

Will N900 work with WIND Mobile?
I'm thinking of switching to WIND, but if N900 won't work there, I have big doubts..
If it'll work... then I'm a new WIND customer! :)

[Jonavin]

Will N900 work with WIND Mobile?
I'm thinking of switching to WIND, but if N900 won't work there, I have big doubts..
If it'll work... then I'm a new WIND customer! :)

The 100 people that's already using the N900 on WIND and the fact that WIND is talking to Nokia about bringing it to their network doesn't convince you it works?

[MarcusXP]

The 100 people that's already using the N900 on WIND and the fact that WIND is talking to Nokia about bringing it to their network doesn't convince you it works?

that's awesome!
Should I wait until Wind will bring N900 to their network?
How long will that take, any ideas?
I was thinking to buy an unlocked N900 to use it on Wind. Would it be cheaper if I buy it from Wind, whenever it will be available?

[Jonavin]

If they sell the N900 it will be "at cost". Not sure what the cost of the N900 is or what Nokia will be selling it to them. The lowest price I've seen for an N900 is about $450 USD, so in a best case scenario it will probably be $500 CAD.

WIND said that they are trying for Q1 (that's by the end of March), but it's not 100% guaranteed. I would wait until March to see if they bring it; this would also give them a chance to stabilize the network and for Nokia to put out a firmware update. Your experience will be much better then.

And if you wait until April, you might get a second 3G carrier option with DAVE Wireless launching.

[MarcusXP]

will my N95 8GB work with WIND? (it is a Rogers N95-4 that was flashed to regular bios and unlocked).
According to this website, it should work..
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n95_8gb-2088.php
Any advices?
I'm thinking at this point to go for WIND mobile and stick with my N95 until N900 comes out in WIND's stores.. if my phone is compatible with their network, it may be a good idea.

[Jonavin]

If it's a Rogers/Fido, Bell or Telus anything, it won't work.

[MarcusXP]

dang.. I just found out for sure it won't work..
the phone is compatible with 2100mhz but not with 1700mhz.. and WIND needs both..
so I guess I'll get a cheaper phone (I'm thinking at HTC Dream) until N900 will be available in WIND stores.

[MarcusXP]

If they sell the N900 it will be "at cost". Not sure what the cost of the N900 is or what Nokia will be selling it to them. The lowest price I've seen for an N900 is about $450 USD, so in a best case scenario it will probably be $500 CAD.

WIND said that they are trying for Q1 (that's by the end of March), but it's not 100% guaranteed. I would wait until March to see if they bring it; this would also give them a chance to stabilize the network and for Nokia to put out a firmware update. Your experience will be much better then.

And if you wait until April, you might get a second 3G carrier option with DAVE Wireless launching.

$500 CAD would be a good price for N900 from my point of you; I'd buy it gladly, and get a Wind plan in the same time.
So far the lowest price I could find was like $650 or so.
If I could buy it for $600 probably I'd get a WIND plan right now.

[Zero1]

Yes the N900 will work with wind mobile.

[MarcusXP]

If anyone's selling a N900 for $600, LMK I will buy it right away.. thanks :)

[dinesh_zee]

If anyone's selling a N900 for $600, LMK I will buy it right away.. thanks :)

$599 @Newegg.ca

Nokia N900 Black unlocked

[dinesh_zee]

Which N-series Nokia phones work in Telus (and Bell) 3G network?

only N97 and N97 mini?

[MarcusXP]

$599 @Newegg.ca

Nokia N900 Black unlocked

WoW, great deal for Canadian prices :D
But I purchased a used one (with a few extra acessories) from ebay for about $480 (USD) shipped Express.. so I'm good for now :)
I can't wait to get it, I should receive it early next week!

[ClubberLang]

I've had mine for 2 weeks and I am completely in love.