Whiney ppl crying to The Star b/c they aren't allowed to park on lawn

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http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/transportation/article/839531--get-cars-off-your-lawn-golf-course-neighbours-told?bn=1



A group of neighbourhood kids selling parking spots on their front lawns during the Canadian Open have been warned by city bylaw officials to stop.

If they don’t, they could be charged $25,000.

According to residents of Princess Margaret Blvd., two men driving a beige Toyota Prius pulled up late Thursday afternoon.

“He flashed his badge and said, ‘We will tolerate this in your driveway, but get the cars off your lawn,’ ” said an angry Karen Howe, whose children Maura, 15, and Connor, 18, have been selling cold drinks and parking spots to those attending the tournament at St. George’s Golf and Country Club.

She added the officer was “so condescending it was unbelievable . . . it feels very David and Goliath.”

Howe’s children have been using four spots on their driveway and three on their lawn this week.

A stone’s throw away from the course’s main entrance, parking is $30 a day, $75 for three days or $150 for the entire week — a price scale agreed upon by about six other families on the street, also selling parking.

Just like Howe’s son, Victoria Regan is raising seed money for university tuition. She starts a degree at Ryerson in the fall.

A homemade sign drawn with marker outside her home reads: “Please! We want a higher education.”

“We’re just kids,” said the 18-year-old. “We’re not trying to cause any trouble.”

Curtis Sealock, district manager for municipal licensing and standards, confirmed that a complaint from the area prompted Thursday’s warning from municipal standards officers.

He said that while it is technically illegal to sell parking spots, “we’re not even going to go there,” reiterating that his officers only warned against parking on front lawns. Driveways are all right.

According to Sealock, if the residents of Princess Margaret Blvd. continue to park cars on their front lawns, they could be charged with the violation of a zoning bylaw, the maximum penalty for which is $25,000 for one offence and doubles to $50,000 for a second.

If found guilty, the courts would determine the penalty.

“That is ridiculous,” said Howe when the Star informed her of the potential consequence. “I would just love to see my 15-year-old in a court of law defending a $25,000 fine.”

For Howe, this latest development is especially frustrating.

“This Canadian Open has come in and turned our lives upside down . . . the city has been complicit with St. George’s in allowing them all kinds of transgressions such as closing a major artery in the city. I practically have to show I.D. to get into my own driveway,” she said.

“We thought this parking was a neat little upside to the disarray that has become our lives. And then to be bullied by a bylaw officer?”

Victoria’s father, Larry Regan, agrees.

“We have to put up with the construction, the road closures, yet they’re coming and bugging us. . . . I said to (the officers), ‘The kids are just having a gas,’ ” he said.

There is precedent for selling parking on front lawns in Toronto. Neighbours of the Canadian National Exhibition have been doing so for about two decades with the help of a special bylaw, said Angie Antoniou, manager of traffic planning for the city of Toronto.

“There are exemptions on some of the streets around the exhibition,” she said, adding that it is the only place in the city where such an exemption exists for a special event.

As for the officer’s curt demeanour, Sealock said it was the first time he had heard of it. “I’m not defending, but we are an enforcement agency. Whenever we come into a situation and enforce, normally people are not happy.”

“We received a complaint and responded to the complaint,” he added.

Saturday and Sunday are the Canadian Open’s two busiest days.

Will the residents of Princess Margaret Blvd. continue to park cars on their front lawns?

“The guys on the street aren’t sure what we’re going to do right now,” said Larry Regan.


They know they live across from a golf course and they think they're justified to sell parking on lawn LOL. I hope they get those nice $25,000 fine per car. It's not like the enforcement are not allowing them to sell parking, as long as it's on the driveway.

[Akraz]

and your thoughts are? :confused:

[inline6]

and your thoughts are? :confused:

and your thoughts are?

[The_Madz]

i say who cares.

they are the ones ruining their own lawn, obviously it's just short term.

it's not like the whole neighborhood isn't already super crowded if they are that close to the main gate.

considering this is RFD you will probably have been applauding them making money in which they then compare that to the damage to their lawn.

or you will have people whining that they aren't the ones making money and that they should never be allowed to do that since they will bring down their own property value for the short term, or something equally as silly.

[yao416]

and your thoughts are?

You first

[_Allan_]

“We’re just kids,” said the 18-year-old. “We’re not trying to cause any trouble.”

No, you're not a 'kid'. You're an 18 year old adult. Grow up, and listen to the nice bylaw officers. If you want, take down your fence, and park 'em in the back yard. That's what people in London do near Labatt's Park (baseball stadium).

[Asmegin]

People always have some sob story when they break the law. Boo hoo!

Give them a day to remove the vehicles, then start fining them!

[Canuck32]

I'm the first to defend civil liberties and complain about silly laws. This by-law seems reasonable though - residential communities are not industrial parking lots.

[sleepmode]

what's a bylaw officer, a loser who couldn't become a real cop because of some mental issues. I ran into a couple of these guys before, truly bottom end people.


"She added the officer was “so condescending it was unbelievable . . . it feels very David and Goliath.' "

[_Allan_]

what's a bylaw officer, a loser who couldn't become a real cop because of some mental issues. I ran into a couple of these guys before, truly bottom end people.


"She added the officer was “so condescending it was unbelievable . . . it feels very David and Goliath.' "

What is a bylaw officer? Someone who doesn't want to be a police officer. Someone who chooses not to do it. In Ontario, ByLaw officers are legally Police Officers, they are sworn in by the Chief of Police for their location, they have a police badge, and are given the same respect as Peace Officers.

[Shaner]

what's a bylaw officer, a loser who couldn't become a real cop because of some mental issues. I ran into a couple of these guys before, truly bottom end people.


"She added the officer was “so condescending it was unbelievable . . . it feels very David and Goliath.' "

Actually, many by-law officers do go on to become cops, or border officers, Correctional officers, etc. It's a lengthy process so they do it to gain relevant experience. But good job on showing what an uneducated loser you are.

[Zephyr22b]

what's a bylaw officer, a loser who couldn't become a real cop because of some mental issues. I ran into a couple of these guys before, truly bottom end people.


"She added the officer was “so condescending it was unbelievable . . . it feels very David and Goliath.' "

Why is it that people like you consider security guards,by-law officers,special constables, etc. as people who "couldn't become real police officers"? it seems like you are the one with mental issues.

[The Radio Dept.]

What is a bylaw officer? Someone who doesn't want to be a police officer. Someone who chooses not to do it. In Ontario, ByLaw officers are legally Police Officers, they are sworn in by the Chief of Police for their location, they have a police badge, and are given the same respect as Peace Officers.

Parking maids are shown the same respect as peace officers? In bizarro world may be. I doubt people would even protest in the slightest when a cop gives them a ticket but when it's a meter maid, they get socked in the face.

[freeloader1969]

I'm the first to defend civil liberties and complain about silly laws. This by-law seems reasonable though - residential communities are not industrial parking lots.

It's a parking lot for a few days out of the year. The municipality is just pissed that they're not seeing a cut of the money from the parking. ***k them.

[blahraptors]

There's a bylaw stating that we can't park cars on our own lawn? :confused:

[Ottomaddox]

I don't understand the double standard letting the CNE neighbours sell parking, but cracking down on this. Someone in city hall apparently lives near the CNE...

[JAC]

***k you. People own their property. What gives the municipality any right to tell people what they can and can't do with their property? ***king government trying to run peoples' lives as usual.

Apparently you don't care, but most people wouldn't want to live in a community that didn't set any standards concerning the appearance of its properties. These bylaws are in place to keep inconsiderate slobs from driving down property values.

And just so you know...that car you have up on blocks on your front lawn? Not cool.

[sleepmode]

Apparently you don't care, but most people wouldn't want to live in a community that didn't set any standards concerning the appearance of its properties. These bylaws are in place to keep inconsiderate slobs from driving down property values.

And just so you know...that car you have up on blocks on your front lawn? Not cool.


Yes but there is a trade off here, most people also want to live in a community where there is no CNE, or a golf tournamenet, or a care race.. They are victims of extra traffic and noise and nuisance. So when this crap comes around they should bend a little and not have some pig come out and try fine them $25,000.

[sleepmode]

Actually, many by-law officers do go on to become cops, or border officers, Correctional officers, etc. It's a lengthy process so they do it to gain relevant experience. But good job on showing what an uneducated loser you are.


No they don't .. That is the most inaccurate stat ever. Most of them stay bylaws officers or move down to lower end jobs.

Figures the only person who replied in a negative way was you the by law officer. Who coincidentally also post on RFD and tries to stop people from fighting tickets and likes to tell people they are uneducated while sitting at home on his computer without knowing a thing about them. Did I make my point about bylaw officers being losers.

[LKane1]

People always have some sob story when they break the law. Boo hoo!

Give them a day to remove the vehicles, then start fining them!

Jim Carrey has the best answer for them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbOtyWTRZ_g (warning: swearing)

[ruhroh]

No they don't .. That is the most inaccurate stat ever. Most of them stay bylaws officers or move down to lower end jobs.

Figures the only person who replied in a negative way was you the by law officer. Who coincidentally also post on RFD and tries to stop people from fighting tickets and likes to tell people they are uneducated while sitting at home on his computer without knowing a thing about them. Did I make my point about bylaw officers being losers.
He's not a by law officer...

The houses in that area range from 700k to 1.3m. Kind of strange that they're going the "we can't afford our kids uni tuition" route. Are they really so poor as to have to force their kids to sell parking spaces on their gigantic lawns and driveways?

[Anathem]

There's a bylaw stating that we can't park cars on our own lawn? :confused:

Yes. You may think it's no big deal for one day, but imagine all your neigbours did it every day, forever. Or everyone just paved over their front lawns and there was nothing but concrete parking pads as far as the eye can see.

[bigshotceo]

Parking maids are shown the same respect as peace officers? In bizarro world may be. I doubt people would even protest in the slightest when a cop gives them a ticket but when it's a meter maid, they get socked in the face.

1) People complain when police give them parking tickets too.
2) While parking officers ("meter maids") get assaulted, it's by no means a common occurance.
3) Police officers get assaulted just as often as parking officers (you would think that since a police officer carries a firearm/baton/oc spray people would be less likely to assault them, but that's not what happens).
4) You'd have to be really stupid to assault a parking officer. The assaulter is likely to get caught;even if the police don't arrive in time to catch the guy, the parking officer has the licence plate number, make/model of the vehicle and a pretty good description of the assaulter. As well, in most areas it's considered assault on a peace officer (and even the areas it's not, it's still assault, which is a serious charge). Finally, the parking officer could hit the assaulter with a civil suit for damages caused (including being absent from work recovering) and would almost definately win.

[Shaner]

No they don't .. That is the most inaccurate stat ever. Most of them stay bylaws officers or move down to lower end jobs.

Figures the only person who replied in a negative way was you the by law officer. Who coincidentally also post on RFD and tries to stop people from fighting tickets and likes to tell people they are uneducated while sitting at home on his computer without knowing a thing about them. Did I make my point about bylaw officers being losers.

I'm not a by law officer although I did do it during college to gain experience. I also know a handful of cops and correctional officers that started as by law officers. The fact that you immediately judge someone based on a job they're likely doing only to gain experience shows how much of a loser you are

[NitarshanR]

He's not a by law officer...

The houses in that area range from 700k to 1.3m. Kind of strange that they're going the "we can't afford our kids uni tuition" route. Are they really so poor as to have to force their kids to sell parking spaces on their gigantic lawns and driveways?

This. they get what? $100 a day from this for 4-5 days?

[okaywithme]

I'm not a by law officer although I did do it during college to gain experience. I also know a handful of cops and correctional officers that started as by law officers. The fact that you immediately judge someone based on a job they're likely doing only to gain experience shows how much of a loser you are

Well, losers come in all shapes, sizes and colours. Even the pros are considered losers in my books!:lol:

[stealth]

Great thread, OP!
:D

[The Radio Dept.]

1) People complain when police give them parking tickets too.
2) While parking officers ("meter maids") get assaulted, it's by no means a common occurance.
3) Police officers get assaulted just as often as parking officers (you would think that since a police officer carries a firearm/baton/oc spray people would be less likely to assault them, but that's not what happens).
4) You'd have to be really stupid to assault a parking officer. The assaulter is likely to get caught;even if the police don't arrive in time to catch the guy, the parking officer has the licence plate number, make/model of the vehicle and a pretty good description of the assaulter. As well, in most areas it's considered assault on a peace officer (and even the areas it's not, it's still assault, which is a serious charge). Finally, the parking officer could hit the assaulter with a civil suit for damages caused (including being absent from work recovering) and would almost definately win.

Good points but misdirected. People are more inclined to give the meter maids a verbal assault but with a cop you're likely going to either get another citation or worse, arrested for non compliancy. A meter maid doesn't have the authority to arrest you and if they do, then knowledge of that isn't widely known. The point I'm getting at is comparing a meter maid to a cop is funny and ridiculous at the same time.

[freeloader1969]

Apparently you don't care, but most people wouldn't want to live in a community that didn't set any standards concerning the appearance of its properties. These bylaws are in place to keep inconsiderate slobs from driving down property values.

And just so you know...that car you have up on blocks on your front lawn? Not cool.

That's why we build fences around our properties, to keep pesky neighbours from calling the by-law when the slightest thing upsets their thin skins. I have an absolutely beautiful front lawn, but I don't complain or whine about my neighbours who don't. People should just mind their own business.

[freeloader1969]

Yes but there is a trade off here, most people also want to live in a community where there is no CNE, or a golf tournamenet, or a care race.. They are victims of extra traffic and noise and nuisance. So when this crap comes around they should bend a little and not have some pig come out and try fine them $25,000.

Quoted for truth! :)

[okaywithme]

Whiney people are naturally whiney. I'm sure most would agree with this. There is nothing worse than being around whiney people. I think that grates on my nerves just as much if not more than those who flash their money in my face.

[Beeg]

It's a parking lot for a few days out of the year. The municipality is just pissed that they're not seeing a cut of the money from the parking. ***k them.
That's right.

[okaywithme]

Most municipal workers are a$$holes anyway. Try having an intelligible conversation with them. They start out as the hired hand to plant flowers in their gardens and work their way up to a Manager of a section. Go figure! Right along the lines of waste management employees.

[at1212b]

Ok, so we really don't know who was really rude first. So if that was the case, officer was rude for really no reason, then that is a legitimate complaint imo.

But in the end, it was a neighbour that complained and reported.

The By-law officer is out to do his/her job. Just like we all have ourselves. I'm sure we woudn't appreciate ppl calling us 'losers' bc we couldn't get into our dream field or position.

The laws are written and enforced, and changes/complaints would need to be targeted at council that makes these rules.

[goob3r]

Yes but there is a trade off here, most people also want to live in a community where there is no CNE, or a golf tournamenet, or a care race.. They are victims of extra traffic and noise and nuisance. So when this crap comes around they should bend a little and not have some pig come out and try fine them $25,000.

If they wanted to live in one of those communities, they would not have chosen to live where they do. :idea:

[Lucky Ducky]

The homes by St. Georges' Golf Course are lovely and if the people wish to rent out their lawns, it's their own business and not a city matter, IMO.

This Golf Tourney has come back to St. Georges' after a 20 yr absence.

There is a precident set for renting lawn space for parking, in Parkdale during the CNE.

If it were my lawn, I'd see the bylaw officer in court.....and win, hands down.

The people in the St. Georges' neighbourhood have been inconvenienced for two weeks, making a few bucks is not a big deal.

Boo hoo, city hall! :)

[Anathem]

The homes by St. Georges' Golf Course are lovely and if the people wish to rent out their lawns, it's their own business and not a city matter, IMO.

This Golf Tourney has come back to St. Georges' after a 20 yr absence.

There is a precident set for renting lawn space for parking, in Parkdale during the CNE.

If it were my lawn, I'd see the bylaw officer in court.....and win, hands down.

The people in the St. Georges' neighbourhood have been inconvenienced for two weeks, making a few bucks is not a big deal.

Boo hoo, city hall! :)

Sorry to burst your Libertarian bubble but the city does in fact regulate parking on private property.

http://www.toronto.ca/zoning/frontyard.htm

The Star article even mentions that the CNE "precedent" is actually covered by a special exemption.

[okaywithme]

If they wanted to live in one of those communities, they would not have chosen to live where they do. :idea:

Agree. There's a fine line between naivety and stupidy. Sometimes, even I have difficulty seeing the difference.

[webdoctors]

id be surprised if the kids actually got in trouble, since its just temporary....

[Mugen123]

He's not a by law officer...

The houses in that area range from 700k to 1.3m. Kind of strange that they're going the "we can't afford our kids uni tuition" route. Are they really so poor as to have to force their kids to sell parking spaces on their gigantic lawns and driveways?
seriously.

love how that lady compared it to david and goliath... ***** please :lol: he was condescending? all cops are. there are too many cases of police brutality for anyone to care about a "condescending" cop.

[taxman007]

lol....have you seen the size of the houses there? If they don't make any money I highly doubt the parents will have trouble footing the bill. Gotta love the sob story.

[okaywithme]

Whiney people are quite entertaining. If you pay close attention to them, they're generally frothing at the mouth and have difficulty getting a legible sentence out because they're so focused on whining.

Gotta love whiney people! Right up there along snots!

As for the Star, the STAR loves people who whine, the more the merrier for them!

[NEMESIS_2008]

Every municipality has their rules and regulations. Everyone living or visiting there must obey and respect the law. Since when are these homeowners above the law? Obey or GTFO!!

[freeloader1969]

Every municipality has their rules and regulations. Everyone living or visiting there must obey and respect the law. Since when are these homeowners above the law? Obey or GTFO!!

WTF gives the municipality the right to tell people that they can't park cars on their lawn? If that's the case then I don't ever want to see any contractors back their vehicles up onto a property that's being worked on. I don't ever want to see cop cars parked on city sidewalks ever again and I sure has hell am sick and tired of seeing people park their bikes on grass or in the middle of the sidewalk. Heaven forbid you have a family reunion and let your relatives park on YOUR lawn. Stupid examples for sure, but do you understand where I'm going with this? It's a few days out of the year, the municipality can live with it.

[Fox1971]

What is a bylaw officer? Someone who doesn't want to be a police officer. Someone who chooses not to do it. In Ontario, ByLaw officers are legally Police Officers, they are sworn in by the Chief of Police for their location, they have a police badge, and are given the same respect as Peace Officers.

Ummm...NO. By-law officers are NOT police officers. Only police officers are police officers. By-law officers are "peace officers" as defined in the Criminal Code of Canada and provincial offences officers as defined by the Provincial Offences Act but we are not police officers. We are appointed by the municipality that we work for, not sworn in by the chief of police. While some of us do carry badges, myself included, not all do and they are most certainly not "police" badges. As for getting the same respect as police officers, that is true...from police officers. From the public...not so much.

[JohnEnglish]

Parking maids are shown the same respect as peace officers? In bizarro world may be. I doubt people would even protest in the slightest when a cop gives them a ticket but when it's a meter maid, they get socked in the face.In Toronto that's why "meter maids" are now sworn in as peace officers. If someone assults them they're charged with assulting a peace officer. They used to have a seperate green uniform but they're now part of the Toronto Police Service.

[mbg]

Actually, many by-law officers do go on to become cops, or border officers, Correctional officers, etc. It's a lengthy process so they do it to gain relevant experience. But good job on showing what an uneducated loser you are.

Did you used to be a by-law officer?

[Zephyr22b]

If a firefighter asked you to not to park vehicles on your lawn in order for them have have better access in the event of a fire, would you still tell them to **** off or would you comply?

[vaportech]

If a firefighter asked you to not to park vehicles on your lawn in order for them have have better access in the event of a fire, would you still tell them to **** off or would you comply?

/thread

[5dark]

It's funny when a parking thread comes up because you can always tell who got a parking ticket and:

1) genuinely got it mistakenly but is too simple to realize there's more than one PEO on the streets.
2) has no concept of personal responsibility.

[Jon Lai]

There's a bylaw stating that we can't park cars on our own lawn? :confused:

Are you stupid? If you need more car space, expand your driveway.

[Anathem]

Are you stupid? If you need more car space, expand your driveway.

Maybe you should read up on that yard parking by-law before you start throwing around advice.

[NEMESIS_2008]

WTF gives the municipality the right to tell people that they can't park cars on their lawn? If that's the case then I don't ever want to see any contractors back their vehicles up onto a property that's being worked on. I don't ever want to see cop cars parked on city sidewalks ever again and I sure has hell am sick and tired of seeing people park their bikes on grass or in the middle of the sidewalk. Heaven forbid you have a family reunion and let your relatives park on YOUR lawn. Stupid examples for sure, but do you understand where I'm going with this? It's a few days out of the year, the municipality can live with it.

Rules are rules

Plus i live in brampton so you can understand my displeasure when it comes to parking on the lawn lol

Anyways I got a ticket for parking 2 cars on a driveway designed for 1. I was pissed off like you, decided to fight it and lost. Bylaws are bylaws, even if they are rarely enforced. No one is above the law here. Anyways I didn't make the rules, the municipality did. Yes the bylaw sucks

[inline6]

If a firefighter asked you to not to park vehicles on your lawn in order for them have have better access in the event of a fire, would you still tell them to **** off or would you comply?

I'm surprised this wasn't mentioned in the article. It would shut those people up for good.

[Jimboski]

If a firefighter asked you to not to park vehicles on your lawn in order for them have have better access in the event of a fire, would you still tell them to **** off or would you comply?


I'm surprised this wasn't mentioned in the article. It would shut those people up for good.

This.

[CatDog]

Are you stupid? If you need more car space, expand your driveway.

Please don't, homes are supposed to have front lawns, not just asphalt, although having the front completely interlocked does look nice when there isn't 5 different cars parked in front.

[Jon Lai]

Please don't, homes are supposed to have front lawns, not just asphalt, although having the front completely interlocked does look nice when there isn't 5 different cars parked in front.

I'm not saying to pave the entire lawn, because there are also bylaws stating how many green space you need. However, if you really need the extra driveway space, expand it to where you are permissible by law. I see nothing wrong with this, as long as you're still keeping X% of your lawn to make it legal. Some people have enough cars that they need to do this. I'd rather sacrifice some green space than these people parking their cars on the streets and making my life backing out or just cruising thru the streets miserable.

[NEMESIS_2008]

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/transportation/article/839531--get-cars-off-your-lawn-golf-course-neighbours-told?bn=1



They know they live across from a golf course and they think they're justified to sell parking on lawn LOL. I hope they get those nice $25,000 fine per car. It's not like the enforcement are not allowing them to sell parking, as long as it's on the driveway.

the bylaw officer already allowed the residents to sell parking spots despite it being illegal, and obviously people on that street were not happy that residents were parking on the lawn, so i am siding with the bylaw officers. if you want to park more cars on your driveway, so it the proper way and get a permit to extend your driveway. 18 year olds are no longer considered children. they are adults.

[KorruptioN]

I'd rather sacrifice some green space than these people parking their cars on the streets and making my life backing out or just cruising thru the streets miserable.

How about you just park in fire routes some more... (http://forums.redflagdeals.com/ticket-parking-fire-route-100-town-markham-experiences-906510/)