I took ID to mean driver's licence as I presume her refusal was based on the assumption that she knew a ticket was coming. Even though she's not accepting responsibility, all we need to look at is this;ShrekTek wrote: ↑ The law in Canada is that you must identify yourself IF you are being charged with something. Failure to identify yourself means they can arrest you under the Criminal Code.
But note that identifying yourself only needs to be a verbal identifiction and you are not required to provide any kind of card/paper id... verbally giving name, address and date of birth is sufficient.
In Ontario you are required to provide proof of licensing when asked. So in when driving a vehicle and asked for your drivers license by officer, you are required to provide, otherwise you can be charged with failing to provide the license.
Notice that these are two different things... is the officer asking for proof of license or asking you to identify yourself? If asking for a license and you fail to provide it, you can be charged with failing to provide it. If the officer says they will arrest you for failing to identify yourself, you can clarify and say "I thought you were asking for my proof of license to drive under Provinicila Offense. Are you are asking me to identify myself (which I am willing do) under the Criminal Code instead? "
Note that threat to arrest you for not identifying yourself because you did not provide your license is incorrect. Failing to provide license means they can then charge you failing to provide the license. Then, because they are going to charge you, they can request you identify yourself, which you must do verbally.
This article talks about it:
https://shrektek.ca/speeding/44-what-to ... -or-canada
I slowly edge forward, stopping after a foot each time I do so and trying to show him I'm proactively taking steps of due dilligence. The officer is walking back from the other motorists window, he never signals me to stop or to go. I still slowly edge forward, foot always on my brakes, wondering when it will be ok to pass.
As he walks between my car and his cruiser he pushes in my side mirror and slams on my rear passenger window where my 7 month old niece is sitting. My vehicle was at a full stop. He's wildly gesturing as if to say I'm too close. He does not tell me to pull over.
Not wanting to deal with a cop who's already assaulted my vehicle, I slowly edge forward. He still hasn't made any command to stop or pull over. I want to get off the street as to avoid any chance of being rear ended. No command to stop. I assume he's having a bad day and I drive home around the corner.
If a police officer knocks your mirror, slams on your window and gestures wildly, is it common sense to keep proceeding and then drive away because you don't want to deal with him?
I know this thread is meant to be a positive place to help people who made a mistake but that requires realizing you messed up in order to build some kind of defense but this person has just built her own reality as to not accept any sort of responsibility.
Not moving over kills people and not just cops, so personally I think this ticket is well deserved as she isn't sorry at all. We're all safer if people like this aren't on the road imo and the cop in this instance was really just doing his job literally.