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I know it's code to have the receptacle in the eating area of the kitchen on its own circuit but does it need to be own circuit AND split receptacle? That seems overkill. And does anyone know the thinking behind the code? I can't think of the theory behind its own circuit just for an eating area.

My real question is about the split receptacle. Does the neutral tab need to broken or just the hot? It's on a tied breaker with two hots but only one neutral. I think the tab should connected since they share a neutral (read Electrical Code Simplified and online) but the tab on the existing one is broken.

Thanks to all who have provided help over the years- Drew, divx, MrSparky, retrovette and anyone I missed.
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Hi another Q here for the resident electrician.

I have a TV mounted above my fireplace but the outlet is not on the fireplace I'm running a chord down the mandle around the side, its kind of ghetto if ya know what im sayin.

How hard or safe would it be to run a 120 volt hydro outlet on the brick fire place so I can make my TV's electrical connection right there. I also want to run the hdmi wires behind the fire place brick too.

is it even safe? how far from the chimmenie
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Capt. wrote:
Apr 30th, 2017 7:11 pm
I know it's code to have the receptacle in the eating area of the kitchen on its own circuit but does it need to be own circuit AND split receptacle? That seems overkill. And does anyone know the thinking behind the code? I can't think of the theory behind its own circuit just for an eating area.

My real question is about the split receptacle. Does the neutral tab need to broken or just the hot? It's on a tied breaker with two hots but only one neutral. I think the tab should connected since they share a neutral (read Electrical Code Simplified and online) but the tab on the existing one is broken.

Thanks to all who have provided help over the years- Drew, divx, MrSparky, retrovette and anyone I missed.
The thinking behind it was toaster, toaster ovens, coffee makers, things on the table people sometimes like to have handy, especially at breakfast. A 20amp receptacle can be substituted for a split. No, the neutral tab should never be broken but the hot, gold colored tab has to be broken. Leave the hot tab in and it makes a big bang. :) The two hots share the neutral and without getting into a lot of technical mumbo jumbo the neutral carries the unbalanced load. If you'd like to understand it better just google "Multi-wire branch circuits" and you'll get an explanation much better than I can give.
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What's code for running wire around a door? I assume 3/4 holes can be drilled in through the king stud and through the cripple studs
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retrovette wrote:
May 1st, 2017 4:43 pm
The thinking behind it was toaster, toaster ovens, coffee makers, things on the table people sometimes like to have handy, especially at breakfast. A 20amp receptacle can be substituted for a split. No, the neutral tab should never be broken but the hot, gold colored tab has to be broken. Leave the hot tab in and it makes a big bang. :) The two hots share the neutral and without getting into a lot of technical mumbo jumbo the neutral carries the unbalanced load. If you'd like to understand it better just google "Multi-wire branch circuits" and you'll get an explanation much better than I can give.
Thank you sir. Much appreciated. I have installed it with the neutral tab intact. Strange that it was installed 30 or so years ago with the tab broken. I cant speak to the previous owners but we never used this plug as it was hidden behind furniture. Thanks again and I'll do some more reading on unbalanced load/multi-wire branch circuits.
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Capt. wrote:
Apr 30th, 2017 7:11 pm
I know it's code to have the receptacle in the eating area of the kitchen on its own circuit but does it need to be own circuit AND split receptacle? That seems overkill. And does anyone know the thinking behind the code? I can't think of the theory behind its own circuit just for an eating area.

My real question is about the split receptacle. Does the neutral tab need to broken or just the hot? It's on a tied breaker with two hots but only one neutral. I think the tab should connected since they share a neutral (read Electrical Code Simplified and online) but the tab on the existing one is broken.

Thanks to all who have provided help over the years- Drew, divx, MrSparky, retrovette and anyone I missed.
Are you referring to a dinette plug or counter plug?
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MrSparky wrote:
May 2nd, 2017 8:22 am
Are you referring to a dinette plug or counter plug?
It's both I suppose. This is a counter height plug in the eating area of the kitchen (believe this would be called dinette?).
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so how legal is it to run a hydro wire behind a brick fireplace for a wall mount tv? what sort of clearence do u need from the chimmeny, any fire codes to be aware of any special wiring? how much open space is behind a brick fireplace anyways?
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MrSparky wrote:
May 2nd, 2017 8:22 am
Are you referring to a dinette plug or counter plug?
Ahhhh... The "food presentation area receptacle" part of code... dedicated 15A circuit instead of 20A, not really well defined what this dinette/food presentation concept really is.

I almost wish I'd put a 20A circuit there anyway since I run both a kettle and a coffee machine in that nook.
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Anyone know where I can get the best price on arc fault breakers? Doing a reno and I've been told I need 10 of these..

Square D Qo 15 Amp 1-Pole Combination Arc Fault Circuit Breaker
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May 2nd, 2017 11:17 am
Anyone know where I can get the best price on arc fault breakers? Doing a reno and I've been told I need 10 of these..

Square D Qo 15 Amp 1-Pole Combination Arc Fault Circuit Breaker
Told by who?
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darkknight1 wrote:
May 3rd, 2017 12:52 pm
electrician, he has an permit open with ESA.. The entire house was gutted, re-wired + new service + panel.

These are the breakers but I'd rather not spend 80 bucks a pop..

https://www.homedepot.ca/en/home/p.sing ... 02725.html
10 seems excessive. I just re-did the wiring in our house (1400 sq ft, 1.5 story home), and used 3. Would have probably used 4 if I needed to re-wire the basement too. You don't need them on EVERY circuit.

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darkknight1 wrote:
May 3rd, 2017 12:52 pm
electrician, he has an permit open with ESA.. The entire house was gutted, re-wired + new service + panel.

These are the breakers but I'd rather not spend 80 bucks a pop..

https://www.homedepot.ca/en/home/p.sing ... 02725.html
You won't find them for less than $80. Lowes has them for less than Home Depot so you can do a price match and get the 10% discount.
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