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phantomvs wrote:
Feb 13th, 2019 3:18 pm
Not sure if this has been asked.
I have a type of mansard roof/ siding on my 1974 home. This is for the siding only, roof is flat, with no attic.
I plan on changing shingles on side of home, now if i remove shingles and plywood can i use spray foam there on exterior wall to boost up r-value ?
Then reinstall plywood and shingles. Or is it better to insulate from the inside, just way easier on outside when renovating the roof.
Keeping inside intact not disturbing drywall.
Or will it cause moisture issues ?
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Installing the foam from the outside is better because in your case you have a finished room inside and i assume you do not want to gut/renovate the house. That being said, when it comes to installing the foam and coordinating with the roofer and the weather (rain, temperature and wind), this option becomes a bigger headache and costs more money to do. This application should not cause moisture issues when done correctly. Once a house does become very tight (air sealed) it's recommend to have an HRV installed to your HVAC system or do periodical air exchanges by opening up a window from time to time.
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PeterLN wrote:
Feb 14th, 2019 12:31 pm
You can definitely have someone come out and spray your ceilings. As long as the back of your drywall is dry. Ensure boxes are installed over the pot lights too. The challenge with a job like this is coordinating your trades and the weather. Wind will be a big factor, even a small breeze can send over spray a few hundred feet away onto your neighbour's property or cars.

A full fill of the joists would be very expensive, all I would recommend is 5" is you are in the greater Toronto climate. 5" would be R31 in multiple layers. Any more then it would require an additional day for the install. As for your question about the gap, well that's more of a roofing question. We spray sloped ceilings often, some vented and some not. I read a study out of BC where they tested the temperature difference between the two and found it was minimal.
So would the other option be finishing the roof and then cutting 4-6” circular holes in the sheathing to fill the space?
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so were about to do the basement, should we be doing spray foam? cheers
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TomLafinsky wrote:
Feb 19th, 2019 1:46 pm
Spray foam costs a lot more but provides better insulation. But if later on you decide to make changes, pass wires or need to reach the concrete wall then it is more messy than if you had, for example, batt insulation. There are pros and cons to anything you decide.
Does spray foam provide better sound dampening in terms of upstairs noise somehow?
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TomLafinsky wrote:
Feb 19th, 2019 2:01 pm
If you mean to spray foam the ceiling of the basement then I would suggest you buy Roxul and install it yourself. You'll be saving A LOT of money compared to spray foam the ceiling. Before finishing my 2,000 sqft basement I installed Roxul in the ceiling of the basement and it does a wonderful job at elminating noise/sound.

Please let me know if this is not what you meant.

You got it right. Roxul is what I meant. How much did it cost you to diy your ceiling with roxul?
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Feb 19th, 2019 2:23 pm
A few days ago I checked HD's website and Roxul was $57 for 59 sqft. Measure the area and divide by 59 sqft and this will tell you how many bags you need. Add 13% tax and voila!

Btw the Roxul bags are really big and even if you have a SUV you might have to do many, many trips. Or have HD deliver it to you.

Btw, installing Roxul is a piece of cake. Make sure to wear a breathing mask over the mouth (most important) and also protective glasses. Could also wear gloves.

Roxul is not just for sound dampening. It also provides fire resistance.

Installing it might be a piece of cake but don't I have to worry about all the electrical work I need to do first. Or rather my basement contractor.

I.e. potlights, wiring for kitchen / bath etc
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Spray foam is good however you can look at it this way (at least in the basement since its not AS cold as upper levels) With the money you save from not spray foaming in the basement you could likely use 2 layers of Roxul in your ceiling to make it even better at sound proofing. Keep in mind Roxul will help with sound but usually its just the higher pitched sounds, like people talking, or a tv etc. It only helps a little with deeper sounds like feet stomping or the Bass from a subwoofer etc. So adding a second layer would help with sound even more.
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Does spray foam provide better sound dampening in terms of upstairs noise somehow?
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Feb 19th, 2019 5:28 pm
Spray foam is good however you can look at it this way (at least in the basement since its not AS cold as upper levels) With the money you save from not spray foaming in the basement you could likely use 2 layers of Roxul in your ceiling to make it even better at sound proofing. Keep in mind Roxul will help with sound but usually its just the higher pitched sounds, like people talking, or a tv etc. It only helps a little with deeper sounds like feet stomping or the Bass from a subwoofer etc. So adding a second layer would help with sound even more.
i saw in a youtube video a guy recommending 2x 5/8 drywall and green glue instead. Not sure if this is a practical approach since we want as much ceiling height as possible.

But the problem with roxul is that there's ductwork that cover some joist widths so itll be less effective.
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Well I'm not saying its the best solution but its an option since you would save money from not using spray foam.

Ideally if you had the money I would do 2 layers of Roxul then install a Resilient channel & put sound proof drywall on that. That would be ideal however more expensive.
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i saw in a youtube video a guy recommending 2x 5/8 drywall and green glue instead. Not sure if this is a practical approach since we want as much ceiling height as possible.

But the problem with roxul is that there's ductwork that cover some joist widths so itll be less effective.
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ameds613 wrote:
Feb 15th, 2019 3:38 pm
Hi Peter, I found this gem of a thread and thank you for donating your time and expertise. I live in Ottawa but will recommend you to friends in the GTA.

I'm shopping for quotes to sprayfoam my basement headers. My number one concern is health of my family so I've opted for the Walltite Eco product and mandatory stringent application standards. I've noticed that you said in a past post to make sure its the Eco V3 and not the V2. I received a quote with the V2. What's the difference between the two? I've read both techinical data sheets but I dont know how to interprete the info.

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V3 has the higher R value then V2. Just check the actual drums inside the spray rig to see what is the actual version you are getting.
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bostonontario wrote:
Feb 19th, 2019 8:44 am
So would the other option be finishing the roof and then cutting 4-6” circular holes in the sheathing to fill the space?
No, that is a bad option. You have no control over the foam. Lots of people have seen videos of 1/2lb open cell foam being installed and see it grow like crazy (yes 1/2lb open cell may work but it is not a great insulator...better than fiberglass but still not great) also people have observed pour foam being used and the slow rise would fill the cavity. The problem is: pour in place foam has no business in a residential home, it is not certified for that application that i know of yet. The reason I mentioned "control over the foam" is when you install medium density closed cell foam, you must follow the application standards by our association, manufacturer and the building code (CAN/ULC 705.2). You cannot install more then 2" lifts at a time. So, all in all, I wouldn't recommend this appraoch.
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Hi Peter,
You are quite a fair distance away from me and probably outside your service zone. What do you think of this product offered by a local contractor? How does it compare to the product you use in terms of being green, r rating and minimal voc's etc.?

Insulthane 200

Insulthane Extreme

Both are green guard gold certified, if that means anything :)

thanks
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Corinthein wrote:
Apr 19th, 2019 12:03 pm
Hi Peter,
You are quite a fair distance away from me and probably outside your service zone. What do you think of this product offered by a local contractor? How does it compare to the product you use in terms of being green, r rating and minimal voc's etc.?

Insulthane 200

Insulthane Extreme

Both are green guard gold certified, if that means anything :)

thanks
On paper this foam looks to be a very good product. I do not have any experience using it, though. I tell everyone that first and for most your foam is only as good as the person who installed it. This is a Canadian made product and it is very close in performance to the Polarfoam we use. I would not have problems in using it.
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Hey Peter. I'm getting quotes for spray foaming my entire garage & garage ceiling because the room above it gets very cold in the winter. The garage ceiling was originally a "hotbox" design, where HVAC ducts were run and opened into the space between the floor joists, and then batt insulation and vapor barrier is applied to a dropped 2x6 ceiling a few inches below the floor joists rather than in between the joists themselves. In theory this is supposed to create a warm air cavity...except for the fact that it is prone to failure and rarely works as intended.

One local contractor I received a quote from wants to spray foam in between the 2x6s that compose the dropped ceiling, rather than directly to the subfloor/floor joists above, leaving the ducts in place. To me, this is just replacing the fiberglass with spray foam and keeping the old school "hotbox" ceiling design. I guess if they get the air seal absolutely perfect it could work, but I'm skeptical. I was under the impression that spray foam should always be applied directly to the subfloor/floor joists in garage ceilings, and the application guide from the CUFCA seems to agree.

What are your thoughts? PS if you know if a reputable spray foam contractor in the Ottawa area, please let me know!

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