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Frankly, AMEX is excellent for member benefits, but transfers have always been terrible.
If Avion had the same lounge access/hotel benefits I'd jump ship today.
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CRAZYBUBBA wrote:
Oct 13th, 2014 4:30 pm
Frankly, AMEX is excellent for member benefits, but transfers have always been terrible.
If Avion had the same lounge access/hotel benefits I'd jump ship today.
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CRAZYBUBBA wrote:
Oct 13th, 2014 4:30 pm
Frankly, AMEX is excellent for member benefits, but transfers have always been terrible.
If Avion had the same lounge access/hotel benefits I'd jump ship today.
I feel that Amex's business strategy of late is to reward churners rather than existing cardholders. Sure they're trying to grow their member count, but they are also attracting the sort of people that would cancel their cards just before their due for renewal. It would be nice if they could start doing transfer bonuses again (non targeted) so that cardholders have a reason to keep theirs.
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Honestly, I keep it because the bennies it offers me as a guy who travels 18 weeks/ye can't be beat. I don't need to be loyal to any one hotel/airline and can pocket the difference (self employed). No other card offers me the same rate of return.
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Oct 13th, 2014 7:54 pm
I feel that Amex's business strategy of late is to reward churners rather than existing cardholders. Sure they're trying to grow their member count, but they are also attracting the sort of people that would cancel their cards just before their due for renewal. It would be nice if they could start doing transfer bonuses again (non targeted) so that cardholders have a reason to keep theirs.
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Expressman wrote:
Oct 13th, 2014 7:54 pm
I feel that Amex's business strategy of late is to reward churners rather than existing cardholders. Sure they're trying to grow their member count, but they are also attracting the sort of people that would cancel their cards just before their due for renewal. It would be nice if they could start doing transfer bonuses again (non targeted) so that cardholders have a reason to keep theirs.
Every company does that, to attract NEW customers (not necessarily "churners"). TD, CIBC, AMEX, etc...

As long as they allow multiple Welcome bonus (vs. AMEX USA's once-in-a-lifetime Welcome bonus policy), it'll continue to benefit us :)
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I wonder if there will be any more RBC to AA bonus offers. Now with the Avios devaluation, the RBC to BA versus the RBC to AA now becomes a factor in consideration for those that dont have the BA 241 vouchcer to worry about.
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mkjr wrote:
Apr 30th, 2015 2:34 pm
I wonder if there will be any more RBC to AA bonus offers. Now with the Avios devaluation, the RBC to BA versus the RBC to AA now becomes a factor in consideration for those that dont have the BA 241 vouchcer to worry about.
No promo! What gives!
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BoogieMan wrote:
May 12th, 2015 5:46 pm
No promo! What gives!
I agree. Nothing for a while now. I am fussing about getting my miles out of AP via Esso into a shared RBC account that can go to an AA or BA account and would love to move it to AA depending on the rates etc. now that avios have been devalued.
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mkjr wrote:
May 25th, 2015 2:32 pm
I agree. Nothing for a while now. I am fussing about getting my miles out of AP via Esso into a shared RBC account that can go to an AA or BA account and would love to move it to AA depending on the rates etc. now that avios have been devalued.
What are the benefits of converting to AA vs. Avios? Can you or anyone share some insight with examples?
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BoogieMan wrote:
May 25th, 2015 2:52 pm
What are the benefits of converting to AA vs. Avios? Can you or anyone share some insight with examples?
Depends but for CX redemptions to Asia, even with the 50% bonus with BA, I don't think it makes any sense to convert to BA now other than the CX window on redemptions opens way sooner with Avios on CX. Then again, short haul in the eastern US, EU, Japan etc., Avios are very good still and the bonus makes rt flights to New York from yyz, a steal.

This assumes a won't get devalued too at some point.
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to give you some numbers, CX J - YYZ-HKG ONLY, is NOW (post April 28) 105,000 avios or say 70,000 RBC. using AA miles, currently, it is 50,000 and you could essentially fly YYZ-HKG or if space was an issue, HKG-ORD or JFK or BOS and then to Toronto.

in the good old days, it was both 50K (AA and BA miles) but with avios you could go YYZ-HKG (stop over)-then continue to Tokyo (or PEK/PVG or even as far as Bali) for 50K each way so it was way better to convert to BA. i managed to book 6 tickets at the good old day miles.

factor the 50K with a 50% bonus on RBC to BA, and that flight was only 33,333 RBC points (granted you could not churn as easy back then)....so even at a bonus with AA, 33K versus say the 35% bonus on AA (the highest it ever ways), points to BA always won when it came to CX flights to the far east.

Then BA did the first devaluation and then YYZ-HKG went to 70K each way in J and you had to price out the onward connection separately so YYZ-HKG-NRT in J became 90K. so first devaluation almost doubled it.

Now, it is 125k. So that is why now, the bonus from AA over could be rather helpful although this ASSUMES that AA is not going to screw people like BA did....twice.

So for the time being, I think I will keep moving AP miles out of my account for flights I am forced to fly on AC and churn AP cards for no fees and move those points to Esso and to RBC at a rate of 0.684 RBC points per AP point. Then keep them there depending on what I plan to do with them. And decent to convert to AA or to BA but sadly, I have to now look at AP again to see what their redemption rates are...

Ahh...the games.

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