being mooched by close relative .

[free4ever]

i am noit sure what to write here but i need your honest opinion about something

my close relative who is my boss is not paying me my payroll every week or bi weekly and he is only paying me for my bills and stuff like rent , cellphone,insurance , car payments and other stuff , but i make much much more then that , cause me and my spouce both work in his establishment for past 3 months and our combined salary is more then 5162$ (around 4400$ after deduction of taxes and stuff )
and i am getting paid
675rent+80cellphone+196car payment +305insurance +130hydro and may be 100 dollar more for other expences
how do i ask him to start paying me regul;ar salary without getting fired . i moved to complete different town for this job ,we are both working everyday regularly in his business ..and too afraid to loose this job for anything

i am new to canada and need honest opinion for this matter asap

should i confront himm about payroll submission or should i give him month notice for this

how do i keep track of any avidence as such so that i can go to borad with camera footage and stuff i am backing up his camera in my hdd everyday ..but we dont have time schedule at work

and how to save my sorry a** from this situation
cause now he as almost morethen 6 to 7 thousand saved with him from our salary

he yelled at me in first month for spending so much money in christmas cause i have canadian born wife whom i love so much )i am new to canada and i am new to this scenario where i am being used by my own ..and i can not tell anyone in my distant relative about it
i dont have anyone to discuss this and save me from this
we are planning a baby ..but we dont have any money for us how do we afford a baby

should i leave this job and look for anything elce . this is a small town and i am sure i will not find anything here . may be my gf will but this is a good job if we get paid regularly

how do i MAKE him give me my money for the work i am doing for him

[KIDAVENGER]

The expenses you laid out add up to more than you claim he owes you $4458 vs $4400.

In any event, clarify on paper what you believe he owes you, give it to him, he's either going to pay you or not, it's better to find out now and get on with a proper arrangement with him or somewhere else.

Edit: no money for food?, make sure you account for everything, food is no small expense!

[free4ever]

my monthly salary is 2580 plus my wife monthly salary 2580 per month

we have been working there for more then three month ...5160x3months

we used 3 rents +3 hydro+3cellphone bills +3 car payments +3 car insurance and almost 500 more dollar in last three month but we made 5160+5160+5160=15 grand in three month by payroll salary

there is no way he gave us that much money in last three month -not even half or even third of what he awe us

[gwan]

if you're working legally in canada then find a new job
but don't quit until you've secured the new job

if you're working illegally then you have no choice

[kmarcie]

Your monthly salary of $2580 - is this an amount that was previously agreed upon? If so, just lay it out for him the way you've laid it out here.

Out of curiosity - the expenses you mentioned, are they already the combined expenses for both you and your spouse? If he has not paid you any money at all besides paying for your bills, how have you been feeding yourself? Also, what about the internet connection from which you're typing this?

I have no doubt you're being compensated unfairly, but I don't think you've accounted for all the expenses there either.

Like the above poster said, if you're working legally in Canada you should be able to find any other job (ie. at the mall) that can pay you regularly. You mention tax deductions so I assume it's legal. If you're working illegally then...not only would the previously agreed amount be tax free, but you may never see the full amount...

[free4ever]

first thing i am not illegal in canada -but i am too afraid to ruin my family relationship back home with my boss being my brother in law
second thing i work at restaurant as a cook and driver we both make tips almost close to 400 dollars every month

i get my gas and groceries from it ..

this is not a question here , the question is how do i ask him make me pay what he awes me without creating more turbulence in a relation

i can not look for another job right now . who would like to hire indian cook accept big cities like toronto ..

[jcon]

Does he pay your taxes for you? Do you get a pay statement? This sounds dodgy.

[spike1128]

Shady is what I would put it. Maybe the OP doesn't know it, but maybe he and his wife is not even on his relative's payroll. I am sure his relative is banking on the fact that he is new to Canada, so he knows nothing about taxes or labour laws. Relative tells him some excuses to stall so he get free labor, then when it's all gone sour, the relative just kick the OP out on the street and tell him to fend for himself without paying him what's owed. Paying your expenses it's possibly relative claiming it as his own as operational expenses, so he get to cheat on his taxes. I would love my company to pay all my housing, car payments, etc etc to instead of a big salary in order to minimize taxes that I have to pay to the government. Unfortunately, most big companies don't work this way.

That's how family relationship are always ruined, it's not you OP who ruin it but your relative. There is always an evil relative that ripe other relatives off. That's why I will never lend money to a relative, you get it back it's good but still would not get interest. If they don't pay, you get sour, and then you know you have to give up the money to still have your relationship. A lot to lose, little to gain.

[nerak]

Why do you have a wife and a "Canadian gf whom you love so much" that you spent so much on for Christmas? Maybe your brother in law is giving his sister all your money.

Do you have an employment contract with him?

You can suggest gently that there's an accounting error that results in you not getting paid and that maybe he should investigate it.

[canas1an]

i am noit sure what to write here but i need your honest opinion about something

my close relative who is my boss is not paying me my payroll every week or bi weekly and he is only paying me for my bills and stuff like rent , cellphone,insurance , car payments and other stuff , but i make much much more then that , cause me and my spouce both work in his establishment for past 3 months and our combined salary is more then 5162$ (around 4400$ after deduction of taxes and stuff )
and i am getting paid
675rent+80cellphone+196car payment +305insurance +130hydro and may be 100 dollar more for other expences
how do i ask him to start paying me regul;ar salary without getting fired . i moved to complete different town for this job ,we are both working everyday regularly in his business ..and too afraid to loose this job for anything

i am new to canada and need honest opinion for this matter asap

should i confront himm about payroll submission or should i give him month notice for this

how do i keep track of any avidence as such so that i can go to borad with camera footage and stuff i am backing up his camera in my hdd everyday ..but we dont have time schedule at work

and how to save my sorry a** from this situation
cause now he as almost morethen 6 to 7 thousand saved with him from our salary

he yelled at me in first month for spending so much money in christmas cause i have c(anadian gf whom i love so much )i am new to canada and i am new to this scenario where i am being used by my own ..and i can not tell anyone in my distant relative about it
i dont have anyone to discuss this and save me from this
we are planning a baby ..but we dont have any money for us how do we afford a baby

should i leave this job and look for anything elce . this is a small town and i am sure i will not find anything here . may be my gf will but this is a good job if we get paid regularly

how do i MAKE him give me my money for the work i am doing for him

Huh?

[Mrbj]

You gotta provide a bit more info here.

I think your brother in law (your sister's husband?) found you this Canadian born Wife (whom you love so much) and brought you to Canada.

Now he's asking you and your wife to work for him and takes care of all the expenses you have. He thinks that he's paying you enough by taking care of your everything. He hasn't put you on payroll (you work on cash!!)

Now (considering) since your brother in law has done some much for you, you are hesitant to ask for your rightful wages. I understand.

But there is nothing you can do to fix the things without upsetting your brother in law. So, I would suggest take a slower approach, you wife finds another job and quits...and then you bring your salary to discussion and if you dont agree you quit as well.

I would never try to work under a relative (parents, children are fine)...it's just too much hassle!

Sounds like an Indian family situation.

[actng]

Sounds like an Indian family situation.

lol

[aalui]

man up and quit

[free4ever]

You gotta provide a bit more info here.

I think your brother in law (your sister's husband?) found you this Canadian born Wife (whom you love so much) and brought you to Canada.

Now he's asking you and your wife to work for him and takes care of all the expenses you have. He thinks that he's paying you enough by taking care of your everything. He hasn't put you on payroll (you work on cash!!)

Now (considering) since your brother in law has done some much for you, you are hesitant to ask for your rightful wages. I understand.

But there is nothing you can do to fix the things without upsetting your brother in law. So, I would suggest take a slower approach, you wife finds another job and quits...and then you bring your salary to discussion and if you dont agree you quit as well.

I would never try to work under a relative (parents, children are fine)...it's just too much hassle!

Sounds like an Indian family situation.

sound like you have much more experience then me in to this ..not everyone comes here in canada by the help of their relatives..and my wife is canadian and not canadian born indian.

btw i found an easy solution and start looking for another job from today..forget the past and forget the rest....

end of discussion..thread close

[4flava]

Seriously dude, this is your sister and bro in law! If you guys can't sit down and talk about this like adults then you guys already have major problems. I can't see how this can't be discussed and solved one way or another... you're seriously making it sound like your sister and bro in law are really scamming unreasonable people but are they really or are you just too scared to man up and just ask so you're just making excuses for yourself not to ask? IF YOU DON'T ASK, YOU DON'T GET!!!

Maybe think of it this way: The reason they brought you over is because you are MORE valuable to them then you really think...
1. They need someone that they can really trust and count on.
2. You are a good cook.
3. The cook is the backbone of a restaurant so I believe you have to be asking for the moon for him to let you go let alone you're his bro in law.
4. You guys are in the middle of nowhere as you said and it's VERY hard to replace you even if they wanted to.
5. Your sister should have your back so maybe go talk to her first?

Okay, it sounds like you've gathered all your facts and numbers to present so I'd basically walk up to them and say " Hey guys, if you got a minute I'd like to talk to you about something that's been on my mind and I really need to get this off my back since you guys are family so I should be able to be up front and speak my mind with you guys" and go from there. What you're asking is not unreasonable so I'm sure it'll work out your way OP. JUST DO IT!