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krs wrote:
Feb 8th, 2017 4:51 pm
I just came across this thread on google.

Thinking of doing something about my Bell phone service as well - question for Apple IIGS:

What is the speed of your DSL connection?
My current DSL speed is 10 Mbit with 1 Mbit upstream (approximately 1,250K/sec downstream and 125K/sec upstream).
Mine is only 3GB or a bit more - I wonder if that is fast enough for VoIP as well as internet use.
That should work, in fact some providers claim the minimum required for their VoIP is 1 Mbit (and even less for the upstream). The question is what is your upstream speed? If you're uncertain of either, go to speedtest.net and run their test.

There are also different quality codecs to consider, the higher quality ones use more bandwidth. For example G729a uses about 24 kbps/sec, while G711u uses about 80 Kbps/sec. I wouldn't worry about that though. You just want to make sure you have a solid and stable Internet connection, and I'd recommend as close as 1 Mbit for your upstream as possible (the test above claims mine is about 0.92 Mbit). Your 3 Mbit downstream should be more than enough, so long as you're not doing a lot of heavy streaming, downloading or sharing the connection with others.
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ricedion wrote:
Feb 8th, 2017 5:11 pm
Hi. does Bell always bill us one month in advance for all services? I cancelled my Bell phone and Internet on Dec 5, 2016, but received a bill on Dec 14 for both services. In Jan, home phone charge was reversed (I believe the reversal is done correctly), but there's no reversal done on internet. I spoke to the Bell agent just now, and she claimed Bell charge different services differently. I'm confused, and unsure how to argue with her. Can you provide some insight on my dispute please?
What is your billing cycle date? Look at one of your past invoices, you should see something like "Monthly Services (start-date to end-date)" (i.e. Dec 14 to Jan 13). Bell's billing system works on a 30 day window, though its different for each customer. It's not difficult to calculate what you actually owe once you know that window.

In a nutshell though, unless your Internet runs on a different billing cycle, Bell must prorate your unused days and refund you the difference.

On a side note, looks like Bell is no longer advising customers of price increases. Most people are only just now finding out about the February 1st $2.51 increase for their phone service. So glad I'm not a Bell customer any longer.
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Apple IIGS wrote:
Feb 17th, 2017 1:29 am
What is your billing cycle date? Look at one of your past invoices, you should see something like "Monthly Services (start-date to end-date)" (i.e. Dec 14 to Jan 13). Bell's billing system works on a 30 day window, though its different for each customer. It's not difficult to calculate what you actually owe once you know that window.

In a nutshell though, unless your Internet runs on a different billing cycle, Bell must prorate your unused days and refund you the difference.
Thank you. I have reviewed my Dec bill and now understand how they calculate my bill. Also when I called them, the agent had no issue to give me the prorated amount for my internet. She told me the phone's prorated amount was already being calculated systematically, but the internet amount needs to be calculated manually.
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ricedion wrote:
Feb 17th, 2017 2:24 pm
Thank you. I have reviewed my Dec bill and now understand how they calculate my bill. Also when I called them, the agent had no issue to give me the prorated amount for my internet. She told me the phone's prorated amount was already being calculated systematically, but the internet amount needs to be calculated manually.
I was told by their agents, after you've canceled, phone billing is not automatically calculated and prorated by the billing system. Sure enough, that appears to be the case. My service ceased 9 days before the end of my billing cycle in November, yet the system never did recalculate my bill.

I had to call in and have an agent manually calculate and credit what was owed back. Interestingly, because of that small credit balance on my account, the system has continued processing bills as recently as mid-January this year (even though my services have ceased) and I never saw the system attempt to prorate my billing. Maybe it only calculates if it's a certain number of days you overpaid? No idea. I just know you have to be vigilant when it comes to getting a refund from Bell. Also worth nothing, for refunds under a certain dollar amount, the system will not automatically mail out a check. You have to call back again, after a few weeks have passed, just to have that done! It's basically a whole lot of bureaucracy designed to make getting a refund difficult. Most people just won't bother, and to Bell, that's to their financial advantage.
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I finally got rid of Bell and ported my home number over to OOMA. Now instead of paying $40.00 a month for a basic home phone I pay $4.50 a month for CRTC fees and taxes. I wish I would have done it sooner!
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Lot of people. But with the increases ... more and more are leaving. But they are still making a ton of cash. I'm at the point to find someone to get me a "free" dryloop in a DSL package so I too can leave. Tired of begging for an annual discount. To paraphrase ... better to die standing up then live on my knees.
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ScottMiddleton wrote:
Mar 13th, 2017 9:45 am
Does anyone even use a landline anymore?
Landlines are still common among senior citizens.

Two of my elderly neighbors do not have Internet, and have no knowledge of modern technology. They still use a Bell landline because that's what they've had most of their life and it's dead simple to use. There's the option of switching to a cellular service (either a cell phone or home phone adapter-box) but the voice quality and reception can be poor, and there is no 911 protection.

I'm in the process of trying to get my mother off her Bell landline and onto VoIP, but she likely won't do that unless I pick her up a UPS power strip to keep her phone working during power outages (especially for 911).
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webworm wrote:
Mar 12th, 2017 7:10 pm
I finally got rid of Bell and ported my home number over to OOMA. Now instead of paying $40.00 a month for a basic home phone I pay $4.50 a month for CRTC fees and taxes. I wish I would have done it sooner!
Do you need to buy their hardware? I'm newbie and looking for a VoIp for my parents as I'm sick of Bell too
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Yes you need to buy an OOMA device and very simple to setup. I bought it on sale for $100 at Staples which normally sells for $130.00. I ported over my number from Bell which was $39.00.
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There are other VoIP options with no set up costs, but the trade off is a slightly higher monthly fee.

Teksavvy for example will allow you to use your own ATA box (I'm using an old Linksys SPA-2102), and there is no activation fee or cost to port over your Bell number. The monthly cost for basic "TakTalk" service is $9.95 + tax. If you don't have your own ATA, they sell the Grandstream for $50. I'm still trying to convince my mother to switch from her Bell landline to this.

And there's Freephoneline.ca which not only lets you use your own ATA, but you only pay a one time fee of $50 to port your number and then the service is free going forward. No monthly fee! I'm still curious about it myself, what I pay with Teksavvy is reasonable, but free is always better. :)
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Apple IIGS wrote:
Apr 4th, 2017 1:34 am

And there's Freephoneline.ca which not only lets you use your own ATA, but you only pay a one time fee of $50 to port your number and then the service is free going forward.
It's $79.95 +tax for the VoIP unlock key and an additional $25+tax to port your phone number (only if you want to port your number). Additionally, you need to buy your own ATA (Obihai OBi200/202 ATAs are the most powerful ATAs intended for residential use and are sold at newegg.ca).

RFD Freephoneline thread can be found here: freephoneline-ca-free-local-soft-phone- ... ip-821229/

I've been with Freephoneline for over 6 years (back when I paid, it was only $50+tax for the VoIP unlock key). After initial setup fees, there are no ongoing fees: $0. So, I've been paying $0 each month, every month for over 6 years now for my home phone service.
Please do not PM me for assistance unless it's to reply to a PM I sent. I try to help when I can on the forums. Thank you. OBi200/202 Freephoneline setup guide can be found here (v. 1.33). Related OBi200 discussion can be found here. For OBi202, click here.
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