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Bell/Rogers pitching Canadian ISP mandatory site-blocking scheme to CRTC

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Bell, Rogers and a coalition of media companies called the Fair Play Coalition, have been lobbying the CRTC for a new agency with the power to summarily authorize the blocking of web sites at the ISP level without any judicial review. Ostensibly this is to fight piracy, but once net neutrality has fallen, and become politicised, where will this censorship end?
I don't know and personally I don't want to find out.
So if you agree that net neutrality is of great importance, below is a link to Open Media's efforts to lobby against this measure.
Read it and if you agree, add your name to the list of people on record against it at the CRTC, and Email/ text, post, this link to anyone you think might agree.

https://act.openmedia.org/dontcensor?src=162410
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i signed. while i support blocking some kinds of content. we all know this will escalate quickly.
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brandonly wrote: i signed. while i support blocking some kinds of content. we all know this will escalate quickly.
Thanks.
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Have you guys actually read the fairplay fine print? It does not cencor or block web sites just like that, You guys need to do more research before you protest these things.

If there are 2 or 3 networks which has exclusive rights to a TV show in Canada, then the only place you can watch the tV show is on the channels of the network who is showing it, if a web site is airing the TV show, the website is BREAKING THE LAW, and thus infrinding on copyright owners. then the tv show can either be removed from the web site or in the case of repeat offenders, the web site can be shut down.

This does not sound like censorship to me, it sounds like someone breaking the law and paying the price for it. Fairplay makes perfect sense unless you are one of those people who want to pirate web sites, well too bad, just admit you want to steal shows instead of calling fairplay censorship. the problem with people complaining is they really do not want to tell the public that they endorse piracy.
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Umm ,did you even read the article? it is nothing to do with Net Neutrality. A lot of people are spreading mis-information.

If a popular TV show or sports event is shown on 3 networks in Canada who have the exclusive rights to broadcast or stream this show, then Those 3 networks are the only people who are legally allowed to show it. If a website pops up and starts airing that show, The website has no permission and is breaking copyright laws, basically what the website is doing is ILLEGAL. so all that Rogers and other companies are doing is reporting the website, and the CRTC will shut them down because they are breaking the law, can't explain it any other way to you. if you have a hard time understanding that verses Net Neutraliaity, then you need to do some more research and stop listening to online gossip. fair and square.
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hugh_da_man wrote: This was the fear with the American laws that everyone was calling "net neutrality". When you put the government in control then it's regulated and when it's regulated it can be censored.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/fairpla ... -1.4539566

No one in government truly believes in net neutrality.
This "FairPlay" proposal is being driven by the private sector though - ATN, Bell, Rogers, etc. They just want it implemented by the government (CRTC) and they want the government to enforce all ISPs (even good, small, independent ones like TekSavvy) to perform the censorship.

It *is* possible for the government to pass regulations *preventing* this exact behaviour - thereby using regulation to prevent any sort of censorship, rather than the other way around.
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MattSF wrote: will never come to pass but really just shows how bell/rogers wants to maintain control and force their subscription services on people. its very scummy of them to use 'piracy' as a guise in all of this
some1 said on reddit, its already being implemented or just some1 scaring?
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GoodFellaz wrote: Have you guys actually read the fairplay fine print? It does not cencor or block web sites just like that, You guys need to do more research before you protest these things.

If there are 2 or 3 networks which has exclusive rights to a TV show in Canada, then the only place you can watch the tV show is on the channels of the network who is showing it, if a web site is airing the TV show, the website is BREAKING THE LAW, and thus infrinding on copyright owners. then the tv show can either be removed from the web site or in the case of repeat offenders, the web site can be shut down.

This does not sound like censorship to me, it sounds like someone breaking the law and paying the price for it. Fairplay makes perfect sense unless you are one of those people who want to pirate web sites, well too bad, just admit you want to steal shows instead of calling fairplay censorship. the problem with people complaining is they really do not want to tell the public that they endorse piracy.
Breaking who's law?
The point of this measure isn't blocking Canadian websites who are illegally distributing copyrighted material. There is ample law, civil and criminal, to address such infractions, here already.
Most of the websites hosting the content that the FPC is trying to restrict are offshore, and out of their reach, in countries where it is either legal to do so, or where the practice is tolerated or ignored by the local governments. So the FPC wants a process in place to block any offending site, to bolster their sinking market shares. That IS the end of net neutrality and IMO the beginning of the end of any free speech on the internet in Canada. It will not happen overnight, but inevitably every special interest group will begin to lobby weak, vulnerable governments to widen the scope to erase access to any information that they consider offensive, and the governments will pander to them to win an election, or get support for some other legislation, or keep them quiet about a scandal etc.
That leaves a couple of important questions:
Is it piracy for a Canadian to just watch a TV show streamed from a country where such an action is legal?
Is it piracy for a Canadian to do so, when they actually have legal access to the same media on cable, local streams, tape, disc, or PVR?
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The bigger issue is that once you start blocking web sites without court order, it's a slippery slope. Of course you should block pirate sites, but who determines what is a pirate site? Under which country's law? And of course child porn sites. Or maybe all porn sites? And sites promoting hatred, terrorism, or government overthrow. Or maybe just any political or social dissent, since nobody needs to hear that stuff. And of course consumer protests, because those are bad for business. In fact, let;'s just block any dissent...
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China 2.0!!!!

I can understand and agree to the priating tv show and movies, but we already have laws in place for that.

This is just a money grab and a way to get the public back on there $100 TV packages. Why are TV shows exclusive to just the big three when in America you got tv services like hulu, vudu etc. and we get crap like sohmi and crave tv, at least you can get it now without a tv subscription.

They just want to hold on any way possible and keep us customers locked in so we have no where to go.
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Since you chose to ignore the laws of the country you live in and its no wonder your against this, People who are against this are likely to be pirates who stream tv shows and movies to their hearts content without a care in the world of the hard working people who are part of the process that creates content or is involved in some way like editing, or using a studio which I or someone work in.
So to answer your questions (which by the way are worded so carefully to be in your favour and show that your twisting the story around)
No
and
No.
but lets answer the real questions, even if you pirate a show from a country like Russia which its not illegal ,the networks here are the only place authorized to watch it, and watching it outside of the networks who own the rights, IS BREAKING THE LAW, just so we;re clear, you already know this but chose to re-fraise the questions to suite your needs and try to diffuse from the situation, and you win. you are a pirate but you won you like to take away jobs from Canadians, yay give your self a pat on the back
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JonSnow wrote: China 2.0!!!!

I can understand and agree to the priating tv show and movies, but we already have laws in place for that.

This is just a money grab and a way to get the public back on there $100 TV packages. Why are TV shows exclusive to just the big three when in America you got tv services like hulu, vudu etc. and we get crap like sohmi and crave tv, at least you can get it now without a tv subscription.

They just want to hold on any way possible and keep us customers locked in so we have no where to go.
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There are many streaming services in Canada that do not need a cable subscription

- Netflix
- CraveTV
- Amazon Prime Video
- Sportsnet Now
- Club Illico
- Acorn TV
- Shudder
- Crackle
- Tubi TV
- OUTtvGo
- Sundance Now
- Mubi
- Crunchyroll
- Dramafever
- BritBox
- CBS All-Acess (coming soon)
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Bell and Rogers are pure scammers. They are trying to implement a Communist way of doing things in a Democratic country.

They flex their muscles and tell the world that nobody can touch them.

Two ridiculously managed companies in Canada. Piece of crap!
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tk1000 wrote: Shomi died on Nov 30th, 2016.

There are many streaming services in Canada that do not need a cable subscription

- Netflix
- CraveTV
- Amazon Prime Video
- Sportsnet Now
- Club Illico
- Acorn TV
- Shudder
- Crackle
- Tubi TV
- OUTtvGo
- Sundance Now
- Mubi
- Crunchyroll
- Dramafever
- BritBox
- CBS All-Acess (coming soon)
Few i have not heard of on your list, correct me if im wrong but none of those services will offer the latest episodes of shows like walking dead, GoT. The big 3 need to get with the time and not go crying to the government.
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As long as they don't take my big butt porn away I'm ok with this :P
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AV-Fishing wrote: Bell and Rogers are pure scammers. They are trying to implement a Communist way of doing things in a Democratic country.

They flex their muscles and tell the world that nobody can touch them.

Two ridiculously managed companies in Canada. Piece of crap!
who cares if they're pure scammers, we live in a Democratic society, and you should be thankful you live here and instead of places like Siyria or the middle east where there is a lot of piracy going on, but also the government and police are not stopping it because there is also a lot of unrest and unstable society. which would you rather have? a lot of piracy, thefts, which also means your life savings are being stolen cus a lot of people do not put money in the banks when there is unrest, but yeah you get to watch your favourite shows on the internet for free, if you can even get a good internet signal, which is very hard to do in a country with a lot of unrest and war and fighting. BE THANKFUL YOU LIVE IN CANADA, theres more to life than illegally streaming a TV show, theres more stability here, theres a stable government, theres protection, theres hospitals, theres safety, theres no terrorists here, but cable tv is more on the pricey side. I'd pay for cable tv in a heart beat compared to livign in parts of the world like iraq and siria where there is piracy and unrest and a lot of wars and bombs and such.
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