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Best course /degree for highest paying salary/profession

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MissingHoursInPaystub wrote:
Jun 15th, 2018 9:37 am
Thanks a lot for the warning. Thats why I asked this question in the forum so that I can hear different perspectives & I will take all inputs to improvise my career path.
Btw is MCAT mandatory . I may be wrong but I think McMaster University, University of Ottawa dont ask for MCAT.
https://uwaterloo.ca/biomedical-science ... quirements
I thought you need verbal component of MCAT for McMaster unless they changed that this year
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SignedA wrote: It's a large gamble for something that won't guarantee you get into these professions. So true.
meaningful volunteer and leadership activities = Total BS
Acing MCAT is not enough that they have included BS like volunteer, leadership etc.
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Eragon wrote:
Jun 14th, 2018 8:32 pm
Sigh. You're not getting into careers on the sunshine list without a degree and without working your way up from entry level in those respective professions. Bad example. Look, I'm not sure if you're trolling or not, but you're asking for an easy way to an income that puts you in the top 15% of all Canadians in annual income. The median income in Canada is 35k approximate. Think about this for a second. If it were that easy to make 80k+, then everyone would do it. Heard of the glass ceiling? Google it.

You want to have an easier time making 80k? Get a degree and drive the TTC. Go into skilled trades like plumbing, carpentry, drywall, construction. No piece of paper from college is going to net you that kind of income without some grinding and hustling. You want to make lawyer, pharmacist, and optometrist salaries? Then what do you have to show for it? How are you so special?

Look, I'm a lawyer. I know a lot of lawyers who aren't making 80k and would be happy with that salary. You sitting there talking about going to college and making 80k from a "short course" or 2 year diploma makes me cringe and roll my eyes. It is certainly possible in some select fields, but not at the entry level, and not in most professions you enter into out of college. At the end of the day, you are facing an uphill battle because you:

a) don't have a degree
b) have a diploma that thousands of other people have, yet think you're a special snowflake that deserves a high paying job with little effort and hustle
c) have little to no relevant work experience

My advice? Go into skilled trades and work hard if you want to make that kind of money early on, and don't have the academics to succeed in university and are not an entrepreneur. Otherwise, be happy with anything that makes you 40-60k and face the glass ceiling early on - live within your means and don't overreach if you just don't have the capacity to do so. This is the truth.
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A 100k+ annual salary puts you in the top 10% of all Canadians in annual earning income. The majority of people making this kind of money are - specialist physicians/family doctors, lawyers/judges, dentists, and senior managers in business; finance; engineering; construction; transportation, etc. Most of them are certainly not there out of a "short course" or 2 year college program.

Or public sector workers.................



Welcome, kid, to the real world.

He is in for a rude awakening when the real world bits him on the ass, repeatedly.
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MissingHoursInPaystub wrote:
Jun 15th, 2018 10:59 am
SignedA wrote: It's a large gamble for something that won't guarantee you get into these professions. So true.
meaningful volunteer and leadership activities = Total BS
Acing MCAT is not enough that they have included BS like volunteer, leadership etc.
And even you pass through all those criteria, they only grant you an interview, still more than half way to go. I heard someone who got 5 interviews and yet did not get a single offer last year. This year however he managed to get in. Not sure how many interviews he got this year, probably high number too as he looks really good on papers
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MissingHoursInPaystub wrote:
Jun 14th, 2018 10:16 pm

You also mentioned My advice? Go into skilled trades
Q.3.Now what would those skilled trades be ?


You don't even know what that means but are expecting a salary of over $80k? What is wrong with you?
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MissingHoursInPaystub wrote:
Jun 14th, 2018 10:45 pm
Like I said earlier - Will prefer anything. So it does not matter. Nothing matters - age, background, education etc.
Will start from scratch.
If a certain profession pays 80K+ then I will study & go for that degree.
For example if dentist has higher glass ceiling & makes more money than pharmacist then I will rather spend my money & study dentist course/degree.
You're assuming A) that you would be accepted into university; B) that you would be accepted into a specific program (as an undergrad or after undergrad); C) that you would be successful in any of these programs.

How old are you? What are your high school grades like?
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MissingHoursInPaystub wrote:
Jun 15th, 2018 9:37 am
Thanks a lot for the warning. Thats why I asked this question in the forum so that I can hear different perspectives & I will take all inputs to improvise my career path.
Btw is MCAT mandatory . I may be wrong but I think McMaster University, University of Ottawa dont ask for MCAT.
https://uwaterloo.ca/biomedical-science ... quirements
Depends on the school. Ottawa doesn’t ask for mcat. Mac you still have to take it to get a score in CARS which was formally verbal reasoning. MCAT is the least of your worries. Canada doesn’t take mcat as seriously as the US. You still need to knock everything else out of the park. These schools have either much higher GPA cut offs (a couple years ago the interview cut off for Ottawa was cGPA 3.97/4.00 I’m sure it’s only gotten higher now) or have more well rounded students applying. MAC makes you take CASper and does MMI style interviewing.

TL/DR: MCAT is the least of your worries. Every component of the Med application needs to be perfect essentially.
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I think we are loosing focus here. Its not about me - whether I will ace MCAT or even if I ace it will a Med school accept me with their leadership & volunteering b*llsh*t.
The real & valid questions are - what are 80K+ professions + what relevant degree they need (to start at least & i dont expect to make 80K next day I graduate but on the long run yes)
So all I want is - Profession + degree. ( when i apply then them people will decide so lets not waste time on my capabilities at this early stage)
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MissingHoursInPaystub wrote:
Jun 15th, 2018 10:59 am
SignedA wrote: It's a large gamble for something that won't guarantee you get into these professions. So true.
meaningful volunteer and leadership activities = Total BS
Acing MCAT is not enough that they have included BS like volunteer, leadership etc.
BS? Perhaps there are students who get into Med for the wrong reasons. But just based on this attitude OP please don’t go into medicine in the very very unlikely chance that you get in. You would be a horrible doctor with that attitude. We have enough older doctors who think like that.

Doctors are leaders. Their opinions are well respected and have weight. They should be able to encompass those aspects of their personality to be successful.
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Coming back to the topic since MissingHour is begging us for an answer. What makes you believe that you're a special snowflake who can become a doctor or lawyer simply because you want to make 80k+? There is nothing in your posts to indicate to anyone here that you are an academically intelligent person. In fact, your writing is pretty abysmal to say the least, something that you need for most, if not all, professional careers in Canada. I don't want to give you a lengthy response and waste my time further, so I will provide these two links for you to look at.

http://www.oxfordseminars.ca/MCAT/mcat_profiles.php

Focus on the Total Applicants and First Year Enrollment. The GPA is off by quite a bit. You're not getting into most Canadian medical schools with anything less than a 3.8-3.9 out of 4.0 GPA. As an example, see U of T medicine's admissions statistics here - http://www.md.utoronto.ca/admission-statistics... 3488 applications in 2015, 599 interviewed, class size is around 250, and average accepted GPA was a 3.96/4.0 GPA (keeping in mind that they do drop some of your lowest credits). Queen's medicine receives 6000+ applications for 100 seats - do the math. Schools outside of Ontario give preference and reserve the vast majority of their seats to students in their own province. Are you an Ontario resident? Do the math.

http://www.oxfordseminars.ca/LSAT/lsat_profiles.php

Again, review the Total Applicants and First Year Enrollment. The GPA requirements listed in this chart is fairly accurate as well. If you want to learn more, then you can take the time to do your own research.

Something makes me believe that you are an international student. The education system here is vastly different from that which exists in most other parts of the world. Most people in Canada, even those who were born and bred here, cannot get into a Canadian professional school program - with medicine, dentistry, and law being the three most difficult programs to get into. The acceptance rates are less than 10%, and this is primarily the reason why doctors/surgeons, lawyers/judges, and dentists are some of the highest paying careers in Canada. There are immense barriers to entry into these professions via the Canadian education system, which I am glad for, personally, because my legal education was stellar and I was surrounded by the cream of the crop in law school (I went to Osgoode Hall).

You want to reach the sunshine list as a public sector employee? You need a degree, luck, and work your way up from the bottom. That is how government is structured. Nobody enters the government making 200k off the bat. These people have been there for decades.

You want to go into high-level finance, management consulting, asset management, hedge funds, investment banking, etc.? You need a degree, preferably a business degree from a top school like Queen's or Western Ivey, and you need to hustle, network, and build your experience. Simply doing a business program in college is not going to make you a manager at Goldman Sachs or McKinsey. Business cares about prestige far more than any other career out there, and your credentials matter. So ask yourself - do I have the ability to get accepted into these programs to begin with? And if I am lucky enough to get accepted into any of these programs, will I be able to compete in a class of strong peers who are likely in the top 10-25% of Canadians in academics alone?

Look, people here are trying to give you sound advice, and you're just not getting it. You do not want to prepare yourself for failure. You may think that you will get into law school and become a lawyer, so you'll enroll in a useless Criminology degree or Law & Society degree in university, rake in a ton of debt, spend a few years of your life working to attain this piece of paper.... then, reality hits you in the face and you have neither the GPA, nor the LSAT, to get in. Happens to a lot of people. Again, inform yourself before you make these leaps of faith because the Canadian education system does not reward false hope and faint leaps of faith. You need to have a relatively accurate measure of your academic abilities. P.S. I did a Social Science program in undergrad, but I was fairly confident that I would get into law school. Most people would be very foolish to operate with this same mentality.

As I have already mentioned, if you are not academically intelligent to the level that is required to succeed in university or get into a professional degree program (like medical school or law school), OR you do not want to take the risk of pursuing a degree with poor employment prospects on the slim chance that you may get into a professional school program, and you just want to make above average income, then go into skilled trades - Plumber, Electrician, Carpenter, Steamfitter, Power Line Technician, Construction worker, Oil and Gas driller, Welder, etc.

You said that you would work hard, don't care what the career is, and just want to make money, right? Then prove it. Don't just say it on an online forum behind an anonymous pseudonym. Prove it to yourself, then come back and tell us what you did.
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Eragon, you, sir, are a God. Thank you for feeding some much needed common sense into this child or immigrant who has little clue about the Canadian education system and economy.
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Eragon wrote: There are immense barriers to entry into these professions via the Canadian education system, which I am glad for, personally, because my legal education was stellar and I was surrounded by the cream of the crop in law school (I went to Osgoode Hall).

Look what happened to you , now you are here wasting your time on this forum writing for possibly an international student,immigrant & child.
Shouldn't you be busy with your high profile law career if you were with cream of the crop instead of spending time on a forum for cheap deals.
Does your cream of crop friends in the law school know what you are upto now.
Just because you failed in life doesn't mean everybody else will.
After all your law school years at least you got designated as god status by Brown Thug. Talk about F*** the law !

Okay I hear you loud & clear - lets say shi**y med schools wont accept me.
What about law schools ? If not law schools whats the next best option ?
Y'all need to stop being salty about whether I can make it or not. Plz focus on naming a degree & profession so that a special snowflake somewhere else reading this forum will get ideas to decide his/her career path.
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Just FYI... I'm making 2x your cut-off limit, with a 2 year Computer Systems Technology diploma under my belt. Probably took me 10 years to get over 100k, but that's in part due to career choices. There's a thread in the careers forum regarding breaking 50k and 100k salary barriers.

IT is one of those business areas where it may not be as much the education as it is the career path chosen. The barriers of entry are relatively low, and the upper limits of income are constrained by your skill and ambition. And the willingness to constantly re-train...

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MissingHoursInPaystub wrote:
Jun 15th, 2018 3:50 pm
Eragon wrote: There are immense barriers to entry into these professions via the Canadian education system, which I am glad for, personally, because my legal education was stellar and I was surrounded by the cream of the crop in law school (I went to Osgoode Hall).

Look what happened to you , now you are here wasting your time on this forum writing for possibly an international student,immigrant & child.
Shouldn't you be busy with your high profile law career if you were with cream of the crop instead of spending time on a forum for cheap deals.
Does your cream of crop friends in the law school know what you are upto now.
Just because you failed in life doesn't mean everybody else will.
After all your law school years at least you got designated as god status by Brown Thug. Talk about F*** the law !

Okay I hear you loud & clear - lets say shi**y med schools wont accept me.
What about law schools ? If not law schools whats the next best option ?
Y'all need to stop being salty about whether I can make it or not. Plz focus on naming a degree & profession so that a special snowflake somewhere else reading this forum will get ideas to decide his/her career path.
"shitty medical schools in Canada...," you trolled us really good, kid.

You are not getting into law school or medical school in Canada. It's not happening. I wish I can link you my firm profile or LinkedIn, but for the sake of anonymity and professionalism, it's not something I can do here. Feel free to ask me any questions you want about Osgoode, in particular, that only a student who attended that school would have serious knowledge of. In any event, I provided you with information and hardcore statistics. There is no shame in not being among the top 10-15% academic students in Canada. The fact that you're lashing out and insulting an anonymous person online, who was really the one here actually answering your questions, speaks volumes about your immaturity, intelligence, and insecurities. I would work on them before you even think about making an 80k salary. You're living in La La Land and need to face the real world, and learn what hard work and dedication are because it sounds like you just don't have it.

Look, I linked you with articles that are public knowledge. If you don't even have the capacity to do independent research, then why are you even on here asking about making high salaries and professions? Osgoode receives 2500-3000 applications annually for 290 seats. Yes, I can call my peers in the program the cream of the crop because they really were, many of them more than me. Again, get into law school, then talk. Otherwise, you just look like a fool. Yes, where did all this get me? I'm 25 years old, and a lawyer with a six-figure salary job. I'm genuinely happy about where I ended up. Maybe you should try to do the same.

P.S. My post history is public. I have written a lot of posts about being in law school and questions about going to law school. In addition, my post history would show that I am hardly on this forum, as I created this account 4 years ago and have less than 200 posts. Try again.

I won't engage with you further. You wanted to know about careers that were high paying, and I told you. Now, it's up to you on how you proceed from here. You're not getting into law school or medical school (at least in Canada), but if you want to blow tens of thousands of dollars and put in years for this crusade, then, by all means, go ahead. We couldn't care less what you do. I've met a lot of people like you over the years, the kind who bully others and think they're big shots because they want something and feel a sense of entitlement, the kind who doesn't want to put in any effort or hard work to actually achieve their goals, the kind who will give up very quickly once the going gets hard...You, my friend, are what I refer to as a jealous wreck and a hater. I don't deal with haters, because people like you are not worth anyone's time and instead of taking criticism and seeking to better yourself, you seek to belittle and attack that person and others. I'm a 25 year old lawyer - you really don't think I've learned to deal with trolls and haters like you by now? :) You just make me cringe, seriously.
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SkynyrdsInyrds wrote:
Jun 14th, 2018 3:32 pm
If all that matters is money then go become a lawyer or doctor.
Disagree especially in Canada .

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