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Best PoE Outdoor security camera?

I have some Ethernet cables running to the front of my house with the intention to set up power-over-ethernet cameras, but I can't seem to find straightforward reviews on which camera would be best. Any suggestions or feedback you guys have used for the same purpose?

I'm looking for something I can get alerts and feed on my smart phone, as well as some local or cloud storage (preferably free).

I looked at Arlo, but their only PoE camera is indoor only, which is too bad.
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Sounds more like you are looking for a camera system, not just cameras.

'Cloud storage' is probably never going to be free, or not free in a useful sense.. Keep in mind you would be paying just to store your video on someone elses computer. It also requires a suitable amount of upstream internet bandwidth.

There are many many systems out on the market. Most of them are OEM'ed by either Dahua or HikVision.

All the professional installs we do use FLIR (Dahua) products. We've had great luck with them. They are only available through professional installers though.

There is the non-pro versions from Lorex. Main different being cheaper built product and only a 1 year warranty. Pick them up at your local Costco.
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Go with Hikivision or Dahua - both can be order through eBay. I find eBay has the best price.
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tonershop wrote:
Feb 22nd, 2018 11:10 am
Go with Hikivision or Dahua - both can be order through eBay. I find eBay has the best price.
Any particular sellers, tonershop and .ca or .com please?

J/
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Jakinthe wrote:
Feb 22nd, 2018 11:33 am
Any particular sellers, tonershop and .ca or .com please?

J/
I install these cameras as my side job and I usually order from this seller: http://stores.ebay.ca/pchomeestore168/

He ship via DHL (from China - takes about a week from your order date), so you are 100% guaranteed to get slap with duty - at least with my experiences. But he will declare the value to be a lot lower than the actual price, so it range from $40 to $80 for each of my order previously.
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I've been researching same and getting lost in the rabbit hole.

More info than you will ever want to know here:
https://ipcamtalk.com/forums/ip-cameras.4/

They seem to absolutely love this camera, but expensive at US$160 plus duties. Cheaper versions available but see below.
https://ipcamtalk.com/threads/dahua-sta ... r-z.14683/

From this excellent primer is a warning about buying cameras from China ("Andy" is a trusted seller on AliExpress and active on the IPcamtalk forums)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yAKfH5 ... PCj-e/view

Dahua International Vs. Chinese Market Models
There are less expensive Chinese market versions of the Dahua cameras sold on Ali Express, but the sellers
may install hacked English firmware on them. The manufacturer has to make compromises (i.e. RAM,
sensor, DSP, CPU, case material, MicroSD card slot, etc.) to reach the lower price point. These cameras
have been reported with various issues, including the inability to safely flash Dahua U.S. firmware. The
international versions sold by Andy can indeed accept the Dahua U.S. firmware. However, there are
instances where members wittingly purchased Chinese version cameras, due to the cost savings for large
installations. This is not recommended for the inexperienced, but if you are willing to accept some risk, and
able to mitigate the potential issues, there is an interesting discussion in this thread.

Dahua International Vs. U.S. Models
The recommended cameras listed below are international “Starlight” 2-Megapixel models with a Sony
“Starvis” sensor. To understand why some sensors are better at night vision (larger pixels, etc.), see the
Latest Sony Sensor List, or this nice chart of sensors used in Dahua cameras. The International and U.S.
camera models are identical, with the exception of the model number, the logo, and price premium. Some
companies also rebrand Dahua cameras, and create surveillance system kits. (Foscam, Lorex, Qsee, etc.).
The options are to buy from a US retailer at a price premium, or buy it directly from china and save. Andy
supports the products, and has even replaced defective units; you have to ship it back to him.


Before buying anything expensive I may give this $60 one from Canada Computers a try:
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_ ... _id=102484

Discussion about the CC camera here. As a noob the images look ok to me.
https://ipcamtalk.com/threads/help-iden ... cam.18644/


... and that's about everything I've learned so far, other than all this stuff is massively confusing!
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I bought some DAHUA IPC-hdw4431C-A through Ohivision2015. Boxes were from Newegg so not sure of their relationship. I bough six in three transactions. One was faulty and they didn't question me (beyond some basic technical checks) and sent a replacement without even asking for the faulty one back. Very satisfied.
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RETD wrote:
Feb 23rd, 2018 10:33 am
I've been researching same and getting lost in the rabbit hole.

More info than you will ever want to know here:
https://ipcamtalk.com/forums/ip-cameras.4/

They seem to absolutely love this camera, but expensive at US$160 plus duties. Cheaper versions available but see below.
https://ipcamtalk.com/threads/dahua-sta ... r-z.14683/

From this excellent primer is a warning about buying cameras from China ("Andy" is a trusted seller on AliExpress and active on the IPcamtalk forums)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yAKfH5 ... PCj-e/view

Dahua International Vs. Chinese Market Models
There are less expensive Chinese market versions of the Dahua cameras sold on Ali Express, but the sellers
may install hacked English firmware on them. The manufacturer has to make compromises (i.e. RAM,
sensor, DSP, CPU, case material, MicroSD card slot, etc.) to reach the lower price point. These cameras
have been reported with various issues, including the inability to safely flash Dahua U.S. firmware. The
international versions sold by Andy can indeed accept the Dahua U.S. firmware. However, there are
instances where members wittingly purchased Chinese version cameras, due to the cost savings for large
installations. This is not recommended for the inexperienced, but if you are willing to accept some risk, and
able to mitigate the potential issues, there is an interesting discussion in this thread.

Dahua International Vs. U.S. Models
The recommended cameras listed below are international “Starlight” 2-Megapixel models with a Sony
“Starvis” sensor. To understand why some sensors are better at night vision (larger pixels, etc.), see the
Latest Sony Sensor List, or this nice chart of sensors used in Dahua cameras. The International and U.S.
camera models are identical, with the exception of the model number, the logo, and price premium. Some
companies also rebrand Dahua cameras, and create surveillance system kits. (Foscam, Lorex, Qsee, etc.).
The options are to buy from a US retailer at a price premium, or buy it directly from china and save. Andy
supports the products, and has even replaced defective units; you have to ship it back to him.


Before buying anything expensive I may give this $60 one from Canada Computers a try:
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_ ... _id=102484

Discussion about the CC camera here. As a noob the images look ok to me.
https://ipcamtalk.com/threads/help-iden ... cam.18644/


... and that's about everything I've learned so far, other than all this stuff is massively confusing!
@tonershop - thanks

@RETD Where do you buy Dahui International products? I also don't want to buy ones that have been hacked with outside software.

J/
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Jakinthe wrote:
Feb 23rd, 2018 4:57 pm
@RETD Where do you buy Dahui International products? I also don't want to buy ones that have been hacked with outside software.
I haven't bought any cameras yet, Dahua or otherwise (I've been playing with BlueIris and a couple of existing indoor IP cameras).

The guys on IPcamtalk seem to buy from this Andy guy. He owns/runs at least 2 AliExpress stores - Empire Technology and BEC. BEC prices are slightly lower for the same item, as far as I can tell that's due to different shipping methods (e.g. epacket vs DHL).

For that great-value camera mentioned in my post above, here are a couple of quotes. One from Empire Tech (Andy) for US$169 and one from another seller for US$141. Why the difference? Be prepared to pay about C$30 in duties on top of the camera price.


For US$169

It has this warning:

"Attention:
1. All the products are with English version only; Most cameras on the market are Chinese not English. "

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Starlig ... 42126.html?




For US$141:

Do you trust the statement below? Is it a Chinese camera with hacked English firmware? I have no idea.

"Dahua OEM version without logo, same software, same specification, same quality. (for protection of local distributor)
English Language, You can upgrade it, and we can also provide firmware."


https://www.aliexpress.com/item/IPC-HDW ... 16529.html



Furthermore there are sellers on Ebay as mentioned by another poster above. What kind of camera are you truly getting from those sellers?

Then I ask myself if I really ever need to update the firmware - depends how you use it I suppose. I plan to connect these cameras to BlueIris so once up and running I **think** I'm fine indefinitely, but again I don't really know.

In the end is it worth paying US$28 more (plus incremental duties) to buy from Andy, not worry about future firmware upgrade compatibility and to be sure you're getting the proper camera? If I go the safe route I'm paying about C$250 total for the unit.

Too many unknowns to consider and that's why I'm thinking I may just try the cheapo $60 CC camera and see how it goes.
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Thanks RETD - lol I wish this was all easier!

Maybe a dog would be more useful at this point...

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Jakinthe wrote:
Feb 24th, 2018 5:02 pm
Thanks RETD - lol I wish this was all easier!

Maybe a dog would be more useful at this point...

J/
While being sarcastic/joking, a dog is a preventative measure and cameras themselves are more a reactive measure. This means the dogs are there to prevent the break in and cameras are there to try and catch someone after they have broken in. You should ideally have a mix of both - because preventing the break in is the ideal choice, the cameras are merely there to try and catch the thief after.
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Exactly, cameras do not prevent anything. Same with an alarm system. They just provide you with details as to what happened, after it has already happened.
You can also look at them as reducing the amount of criminal activity if someone knows they are there or if the alarm system responds quickly.
You won't find a diamond merchant without both of these systems in place (along with man traps and some other things).
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Dahua POE all around the house, inside and outside for two years with BlueIris.. very satisfied.

Bought all of them off aliexpress
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Wired cameras are old now. If you are looking for DIY system , Try Toucan by Kuna. It is very easy to install and works like a charm. I have 3 cameras bought them on boxing day. The setup is quick as it powers itself using existing light fixtures. It also has a built in siren, which is a mist have.

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