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Best PoE Outdoor security camera?

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Don’t get hung up on resolution. In most instances 1080p is more than adequate. Higher resolutions require more bandwidth. IP cameras are great if you want analytics. If you want smooth video, just get analogue.

Personally I think the examples you posted are par for the course. Example 2 is bad, but 1 and 3 are typical of what you should expect for night vision. It’s still worth it, even thought you can’t count the amount of freckles on the guy’s face.
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poorwingman wrote:
Sep 1st, 2018 9:35 am
I'm moving into a new place next summer and I've been thinking about setting up IP cameras because "that's what people do".

I'm accustomed to the old school 80's 90s alarms for the doors and windows but I'm not sure:
1. whether the quality of security video at night is good; and
2. what the benefits are for security video at home (ignoring cloud vs local storage); and

On the first point - Whenever the media shows footage from security cameras at night, the footage is never any good! Example 1, Example 2, Example 3 - even has a spot light on the car!

On the second point - What are you going to do with that information? If the quality is the same as the videos above, is it even helpful? It looks pretty lousy except maybe to identify the race and height of a person of interest (and the number of them). How have people found video to be helpful for actual security (as opposed to dispute resolution with neighbours and delivery of retail items)? Or is it worth it just for the peace of mind for dispute resolution? lol


Thanks
Story time.

Last winter my elderly couple next door neighbour's house was almost broken into. I live in a very quite neighbourhood and this was very unusual. Tho whole neighbourhood was talking about it. I wasn't expecting much, but I checked the video from my old Foscam camera I placed to look through the living room window out into the frontyard. That camera actually captured the criminals.

It was two women, leaving frontyard through the grass where there is no paved path. One of them discarded a napkin into my frontyard while leaving. So, I shared the video with my neighbour and that helped them a lot in a sense that they new "outsiders" did it, not someone they know. Second, and this was a big surprise, the police actually showed up, and the next day also two detectives. They examined the damage on the door and asked me if I can helped them recover the discarded napkin from my trash so they can run DNA on it. It turned out that same couple has done numerous other brake-ins and police was looking for more evidence to get them.

So, based on this, I would say that security cameras are great deterrent, and can provide you with a piece of mind by telling you who is passing by your house. It might not be an ultimate solution to solving and preventing crime, but for sure I feel more relaxed knowing that I can check what's going on around my house at any point, go back in time, even when I'm on the out of country vacations. If you're more adventurous, you can setup cameras to work with smarthome sensors to alert you even before potential crime happens.
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This summer I got a cheap 50$ JOOAN 1080p cameras on amazon.ca and it worked flawlessly. I got 2 additional ones and they haven't croaked yet. Overall i'm extremely satisfied with them (compared to a full blown camera system for ~500$). Planning to get a 4th camera for backyard before winter.

Since they are ONVIF compatible, I use my desktop PC with opensource/free software to connect to them and do recording and it's been great. The software I use for recording is constacam, opened a port on my router (who knew bell routers automatically support noip.com) and I can remotely browse the cameras from my cell phone.
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azmongold wrote:
Sep 4th, 2018 3:12 pm
This summer I got a cheap 50$ JOOAN 1080p cameras on amazon.ca and it worked flawlessly. I got 2 additional ones and they haven't croaked yet. Overall i'm extremely satisfied with them (compared to a full blown camera system for ~500$). Planning to get a 4th camera for backyard before winter.

Since they are ONVIF compatible, I use my desktop PC with opensource/free software to connect to them and do recording and it's been great. The software I use for recording is constacam, opened a port on my router (who knew bell routers automatically support noip.com) and I can remotely browse the cameras from my cell phone.
Which particular camera's did you get.
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Thanks for starting this thread as I'm starting to do my research on a higher quality system.

Is it just me or are there too many options available that is making it somewhat complicated. I'm look for a higher end system that is wired, 6 camera, outdoor, hard drive. with a budget of about $3000.00 equipment only. I'm not interested in knockoffs and would appreciate suggestions on high quality only systems.

EDIT: I won't no monthly fees.
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I have used both Lorex and Swann bought from Costco. Cost was around $1500 for the 9 camera system. Been great so far. I would recommend it. Got it professionally installed.
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I have a FLIR Lorex system. Annoyed with the iPhone app at the moment. Rogers went to IPv6 only recently and Lorex does not support. So I can only view video on WiFi networks at the moment. Not clear to me if Lorex plans to address this.

I’d say if you only need one or two cameras and have enough internet bandwidth and don’t mind the monthly fee options like Nest and Logi Circle are better than a NVR based product.
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MyDream1 wrote:
Nov 9th, 2018 6:31 am
I'm look for a higher end system that is wired, 6 camera, outdoor, hard drive. with a budget of about $3000.00 equipment only. I'm not interested in knockoffs and would appreciate suggestions on high quality only systems.
Top of the line is Axis, but your budget is too small for that.

Without question, buy HikVision. There are really no knockoffs. Many are OEM by HikVision and Dahua

I use LTS and it’s basically HikVision with a different logo. It’s just cheaper to buy. In fact the HikVision software works perfectly with it. I can even flash their firmware on it.
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Thanks for the reply and info Gee, I'm going to do some more research as some of the lingo is new to me. Just so I understand, you believe that $3000.00 for material only on a 6 camera system is way too low for a higher end system? Am I to assume I should increase the budget to $5000.00 plus installation, that works out to $800.00 plus per camera including digital recorder and wiring.
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MyDream1 wrote:
Nov 10th, 2018 10:46 am
Thanks for the reply and info Gee, I'm going to do some more research as some of the lingo is new to me. Just so I understand, you believe that $3000.00 for material only on a 6 camera system is way too low for a higher end system? Am I to assume I should increase the budget to $5000.00 plus installation, that works out to $800.00 plus per camera including digital recorder and wiring.
A high end Axis camera runs ~$1100 per camera. I don’t think you need or should spend that much. Unless you own a casino and want to see the freckles on someone’s face.

Depending on your use, I think $3000 will get you a decent system

$300 - NVR / DVR
$400 - Hard Drives
$100 - PoE Switch (if you go IP)

Cameras should cost between $150 - $300 depending on features and needs

Where are you deploying and what’s the purpose?
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Gee wrote:
Nov 10th, 2018 12:04 pm

Where are you deploying and what’s the purpose?
Thanks for the reply Gee,

I'm only looking for outdoor surveillance and thought 6 camera's would suffice to monitor the perimeter as well as the street view. It's strictly for peace of mind and thought this was the best route to avoid any monthly fees, as such it's self monitoring.
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MyDream1 wrote:
Nov 10th, 2018 1:45 pm
I'm only looking for outdoor surveillance and thought 6 camera's would suffice to monitor the perimeter as well as the street view. It's strictly for peace of mind and thought this was the best route to avoid any monthly fees, as such it's self monitoring.
Don’t go crazy. Stick to your $3000 budget and you should get a very good system. Is the house a detached? Here is where you should place cameras

Bullet - Driveway
Dome- Front Door
Dome - Inside Garage
Dome - Front Door
Doorbell - Front Door
Dome - Back Door
Bullet - Back Yard

Two additional bullet cameras for your ally (between houses)

I would budget for 8 to 10 cameras. The sweet spot is actually 8. Anything more and you will need a larger DVR / NVR

Decide if you want to go IP which increases the cost. There is nothing wrong with analogue cameras. They are great value and cheaper to buy. What ever you buy, you don’t need anything more than 1080p

If you have any home automation, IP is definitely easier to integrate.

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