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BMW questions and answers

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ScaryJerry wrote:
Jan 14th, 2019 9:05 pm
I've had a couple of S and RS Audis, a BMW M, and a Mercedes AMG. I never found the aftermarket parts or independent shops to be significantly cheaper than the dealer. I never had anything major done (just stuff like brakes, BMW's "Inspection" services, etc) so maybe that's why.

As I said earlier, I fully realize that this is an irrational purchase and that a used Corolla would be more than sufficient especially considering that during the week I just use the car for a 3 minute drive to the subway and then 8 minutes to the gym in the evening. However, I've always enjoyed overpowered and overpriced German sport sedans specifically because of how over the top and irrational they are. I also love all the excess technology that they put into these things.

I just wondered if maybe there was a way do save a a few dollars a month and still have a nice car that I enjoy driving when I have the opportunity.
hmm thats interesting cuz my experiences are quite different. On my 2013 335 with M package, brake pads and rotors was like you said very reasonable at dealers (I asked for quote in 2017) as they have package prices which makes it only 10-20% more than aftermarket and indies. When I finally changed the front this summer, the quote was 50% more and I was told they are "adjusting to new prices". Ended up doing aftermarket and indies for like half of what a dealer would charge. With indies rate at $100 vs $160 at dealers, there WILL be significant savings. The real question is find a shop you can trust and know what they are doing. Never own Audis but was told their parts are most expensive, similar to VWs.

I noticed all the rides you quoted are the manufacturer's "specialty" vehicles, so prob why not as many aftermarket parts are readily available. Those are like the German "luxury" if you can afford it, you dont need cheap parts category :)
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savemoresaveoften wrote:
Jan 15th, 2019 8:22 am
hmm thats interesting cuz my experiences are quite different. On my 2013 335 with M package, brake pads and rotors was like you said very reasonable at dealers (I asked for quote in 2017) as they have package prices which makes it only 10-20% more than aftermarket and indies. When I finally changed the front this summer, the quote was 50% more and I was told they are "adjusting to new prices". Ended up doing aftermarket and indies for like half of what a dealer would charge. With indies rate at $100 vs $160 at dealers, there WILL be significant savings. The real question is find a shop you can trust and know what they are doing. Never own Audis but was told their parts are most expensive, similar to VWs.

I noticed all the rides you quoted are the manufacturer's "specialty" vehicles, so prob why not as many aftermarket parts are readily available. Those are like the German "luxury" if you can afford it, you dont need cheap parts category :)
Well that sucks, I've never experienced a dealer telling me the price had doubled due to "adjustments". My experiences are like what you were originally quoted with the dealer being about 10 - 15% more.
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Brakes are nothing special with the "performance" models. They are mostly made be Brembo.
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Buy an E92 M3. They are not going to depreciate much and they are very reliable other than rod bearings (Rocco at RMP charges $2500) and throttle actuators. Just buy one for $30K, drive it a few years, spend barely any money on maintenance, sell it for $25-$30K.
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tcharged wrote:
Jan 15th, 2019 11:55 am
Buy an E92 M3. They are not going to depreciate much and they are very reliable other than rod bearings (Rocco at RMP charges $2500) and throttle actuators. Just buy one for $30K, drive it a few years, spend barely any money on maintenance, sell it for $25-$30K.
Man I loved my E90 M3. That motor was so sweet.
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Mar 16, 2007
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Hi booblehead,

I am planning to go car shopping this weekend. Currently looking at 19 M240 xdrive with premium enhanced package. I would probably trade in my 10 glk350 at 90k kms. I am looking into lease term of 36 months. What kind of deal should I be targeting at? I also heard that seats for the 2 series are narrower. is it true? will find out this weekend.

Really appreciate your help!
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2019 m240Xdrive - base + prem enhanced + PDC = $55,950 MSRP

36 months
2.99%
20,000km per yr
53% residual (per bmw.ca)
Est. $3250 fees rolled into payment (freight/pdi, dealer admin fee, ac tax, ppsa, tire levies)
No bogus items / fees added
No EWT protection plan selected
No Jan factory credit

say 6% dealer side discount
say $10,000 trade in value (before taxes) assigned for your 2010 GLK350 (used as down payment). Assuming it's fairly loaded and when you bought it back then, est. brand new MSRP around $49,000.

Projected monthly - $543.75 + taxes = OTR

Note: if dealer offers much lower than $10,000 for your trade in, then you should consider checking out with other bmw dealers in your area.
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Apr 29, 2015
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Markham
Hi Booblehead,

Do you think you can do a quick quote for me? (48months/20,000KM/no downpayment)

I'm interested in the 2019 (since 2018 is all gone I'm assuming) X3 30i and M40i.

Thanks!
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2019 X3 30xdrive - base + say $10,000 in options/packages = $59,450 MSRP

48 months
3.99% (you will need to confirm this with dealer)
20,000km per yr
44% residual (you will need to confirm this with dealer
Est. $3200 fees rolled into payment (freight/pdi, dealer admin fee, ac tax, ppsa, tire levies)
No bogus items / fees added
No EWT protection plan selected
No Jan factory credit

say 6% dealer side discount
Projected monthly - $827.65 + taxes = $935.25 OTR
Due on delivery - first + security + license admin fee + new plate & sticker (if required) + full tank of gas (if unable to negotiated into the deal as n/c)


2019 X3 M40xdrive - base + say $8,500 in options/packages = $71,450 MSRP

48 months
3.99% (you will need to confirm this with dealer)
20,000km per yr
44% residual (you will need to confirm this with dealer)
Est. $3200 fees rolled into payment (freight/pdi, dealer admin fee, ac tax, ppsa, tire levies)
No bogus items / fees added
No EWT protection plan selected
No Jan factory credit

say 6% dealer side discount
Projected monthly - $980 + taxes = $1,107.60 OTR
Due on delivery - first + security + license admin fee + new plate & sticker (if required) + full tank of gas (if unable to negotiated into the deal as n/c)
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dealers in GTA still show they have 2018 X3 30 & 40 on hands. $4000 factory credit (cash purchase) or $2500 factory credit on lease/finance is the last known offer for MY2018

for example, Endras has 2 x3 30; 8 x3 40. (most are totally undriven and a few has < 1000km on the clock). Newmarket has 4 x3 30; 14 x3 40. Marham has 22 x3 40

AllanL118 wrote:
Jan 15th, 2019 11:26 pm
Hi Booblehead,

Do you think you can do a quick quote for me? (48months/20,000KM/no downpayment)

I'm interested in the 2019 (since 2018 is all gone I'm assuming) X3 30i and M40i.

Thanks!
Last edited by booblehead on Jan 16th, 2019 12:15 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Apr 29, 2015
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Markham
Thank you for your reply. Strange, when I checked the inventory online, it didn’t show any. I think I checked Pfaff.

When negotiating, do you think there would be more margin on the X3 40? Since there are so many 2018 stock remaining?

Also, would it be easier to bargain on a demo instead? I know sometimes they remove the freight and pdi but then they would include it in the overall discount.

Sorry for all the troublesome questions. As I’ve never owned or tried to bargain a BMW (past Mercedes owner).

Thanks!
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pretty well the same margin for all the models. If you are going after the MY2018, you can try for 7% (dealer side) but do watch out they may say they have to make you pay the etching admin fee, mats, wheel locks, etc (which can total up to $1,000).

As for demo or ones with some kms on the clock, say <1,000km. You can also try for this as well but getting the dealer to waive the freight/pdi would be hard. Your strategy to this demo may start with having the dealer throwing in a set of winter tires or EWT protection plan into the deal (while still paying for the freight/pdi) with the typical 6-7% dealer side discount + factory credit. See how the dealer comes back to you on this scenario.
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Apr 29, 2015
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Markham
Hi Booblehead,

I’ve just got a quote for a demo X3 40 2018:
Premium essential
Metallic paint
Vernasca leather

48 months/20000km/0 down

They quoted me $885 tax in.

They included a lot of extra charges:
Vehicle care kit
Security package for 4 years
Car proof

What are your thoughts? Can I get it down lower? I’m asking hem for a price breakdown but not receiving anything yet.

Thank you so much!
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hard to say if this is a good deal or not ... need details on options and all the numbers.

As starter, those bogus items should be removed as you have the rights to say no in Ontario. If they refuse, then you can simply add those amounts and request the discount to be increased by the same to offset them 100%. That's what I would do.

Is this BMW Pfaff Markham ? That carproof charge is addded in automatically even though you are buying a new car. LOL. I told the SA many years ago that you cannot do that and yet the dealer is trying to pull a quick one on unsuspected customers.

If you have the quote sheet, you can post it up here or PM me to comment on.

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