Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran!

[hagbard]

Bomb Iran

[coolpc]

the US think they can do everything as long as they like it...

[d_jedi]

I don't have any sympathy towards the Iranian government.. not after they raped, tortured, and murdered a Canadian citizen.

[asim99]

I don't have any sympathy towards the Iranian government.. not after they raped, tortured, and murdered a Canadian citizen.

me neither, i hope you also don't have sympathy towards american government as well, who sent canadian citizens to syria to be totured, and possibly murdered

[d_jedi]

me neither, i hope you also don't have sympathy towards american government as well, who sent canadian citizens to syria to be totured, and possibly murdered

there's a bit of a difference between being complacent to torture and actually torturing someone yourself... plus the rape, murder, outright lies make what Iran did MUCH, much worse than what the US did..

[Roninvancouver]

I don't have any sympathy towards the Iranian government.. not after they raped, tortured, and murdered a Canadian citizen.

what about all the non-canadians who have been raped and murdered and tortured for decades earlier?


do they count.

[guest10586]

Yeah, and invading and killing thousands of people makes it ok for America to do it. I forgot, maybe Iran has some weapons of mass destruction, or they are doing it to free them... Whatever, at this point I would enjoy WW3...less people = more leg room.

[asim99]

there's a bit of a difference between being complacent to torture and actually torturing someone yourself... plus the rape, murder, outright lies make what Iran did MUCH, much worse than what the US did..

hmmm...does abu ghraib ring a bell? and many other cases at guantanamo, and other 'facilities', where american government is involved in torture and murders...

now i wouldn't hold my breath for pictures of bush personally torturing an innocent person...he has indoctrinated(sp?) a whole generation to do his dirty work, not unlike the iranian mullahs

[d_jedi]

hmmm...does abu ghraib ring a bell? and many other cases at guantanamo, and other 'facilities', where american government is involved in torture and murders...

now i wouldn't hold my breath for pictures of bush personally torturing an innocent person...he has indoctrinated(sp?) a whole generation to do his dirty work, not unlike the iranian mullahs

I'm not going to defend what is indefensible.. and the Abu Ghraib scandal is exactly that. At least in the US, though, the perpetrators (at least some of them) have been brought to justice. The Iranian government still denies Ms. Kazemi was tortured, in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

[asim99]

At least in the US, though, the perpetrators (at least some of them) have been brought to justice. The Iranian government still denies Ms. Kazemi was tortured, in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

not willingly though, i must be add....the US government tried its best to spin media into downplaying the news of torture....it was only after the pictures that the hell broke loose, and they had no way to saving face...i would not be surprised if there are several other cases like them waiting to be taken notice of

pressuring iran politically is the way to go....any military rhetoric would be plainly insane and futile...

[d_jedi]

not willingly though, i must be add....the US government tried its best to spin media into downplaying the news of torture....it was only after the pictures that the hell broke loose, and they had no way to saving face...i would not be surprised if there are several other cases like them waiting to be taken notice of

pressuring iran politically is the way to go....any military rhetoric would be plainly insane and futile...

I agree military intervention is absolutely not justified because of this.. it will only make the human rights situation there even worse. (note that no sympathy for the Iranian govt/wishing they'd be overthrown with a democratic govt != support for war)

If Iran is developing nukes, that would be justification.. but the US intelligence services would have to come up with some pretty damned strong proof of this after the way they bungled the Iraq intelligence.

[hagbard]

I'm not going to defend what is indefensible.. and the Abu Ghraib scandal is exactly that. At least in the US, though, the perpetrators (at least some of them) have been brought to justice. The Iranian government still denies Ms. Kazemi was tortured, in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Boy, do you ever live in a fairy tale world, the US rewards those who do wrong. Just ask George Tenet, Paul Wolfowitz, or John Bolton (or even GWB).

If Iran is developing nukes, that would be justification.. but the US intelligence services would have to come up with some pretty damned strong proof of this after the way they bungled the Iraq intelligence.

Iran would be crazy not to develop nukes in the face of what the US did in Iraq.

Funny that no one seems to be commenting on the article itself??

[Boss_Scorpius]

Funny that no one seems to be commenting on the article itself??

Article itself is full of utter BS.

"Iran, some “patriots� may be shocked to find out, is actually something of a democracy - particularly by regional standards. A reformist cleric, Mohammad Khatami—a man more familiar with the Enlightenment than George W. Bush—was elected president overwhelmingly in 1997. And then he was reelected in 2001. Yes, the conservative mullahs thwarted him at every turn. The point is: there is something of an institutional structure there which allows for some public influence—which was decidedly not the case in Saddam’s Iraq."

Whoever wrote that article hasn't got the slightest clue. Khatami was a guy who was supposed to bring reforms to the country, he tricked everyone with his promises, so much that all the young university students voted for him. But what people didn't realize then was that he is a Mullah anyways, just like the rest of them, he didn't fullfill any of the promises he gave to people.

Also what article fails to explain is , althought Iran supposedly has a president which can be chosen by people (yeah right!), president has absolutely no say in main issues. Military, Media and just about everything else is under the direct command of Islamic Leader not the president. And guess what, the islamic leader doesn't get voted on, he stays there till he dies, kinda like pope.

I forgot to mention, president is a joke, but even that guy is not exactly a representative of people, a lot of politics goes on behind the scenes for the president to be someone the Islamic leader likes and not really who people want to vote. Not to mention , out of the people that are candidates for presidency , none of them are anything people would want.

So basically, Iran is a dictatorship hidden behind the face of a sweet little democracy.

[hagbard]

Article itself is full of utter BS.



Whoever wrote that article hasn't got the slightest clue. Khatami was a guy who was supposed to bring reforms to the country, he tricked everyone with his promises, so much that all the young university students voted for him. But what people didn't realize then was that he is a Mullah anyways, just like the rest of them, he didn't fullfill any of the promises he gave to people.

Also what article fails to explain is , althought Iran supposedly has a president which can be chosen by people (yeah right!), president has absolutely no say in main issues. Military, Media and just about everything else is under the direct command of Islamic Leader not the president. And guess what, the islamic leader doesn't get voted on, he stays there till he dies, kinda like pope.

I forgot to mention, president is a joke, but even that guy is not exactly a representative of people, a lot of politics goes on behind the scenes for the president to be someone the Islamic leader likes and not really who people want to vote. Not to mention , out of the people that are candidates for presidency , none of them are anything people would want.

So basically, Iran is a dictatorship hidden behind the face of a sweet little democracy.

I wasn't entirely convinced by that part of the article either. I frankly don't think democracy, as we think of democracy, has a chance in that part of the world, at least, not for the forseeable future. Bombing the country certainly won't help the situation either.

[mochachicka]

there's a bit of a difference between being complacent to torture and actually torturing someone yourself... plus the rape, murder, outright lies make what Iran did MUCH, much worse than what the US did..

what? no there isn't...complacent or not, they were still apart of it. Just because the US doesn't do their own dirty work doesn't mean that it makes them "better".