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Boy threw big tantrum on registration day at school..( Report card in Feb ...All good now..)

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ckay1980 wrote:
Apr 7th, 2016 3:53 pm
I see you're in the Nepean area. Would you mind telling me which psychologist is it? We think our son might be gifted. Did you see other specialist before the psychologist?
My 6 yr old can be quite naughty at school. He gets bored because he's done his stuff way ahead of time and then he goes on disturbing others. There are many occasions where we don't know what to do after trying so many different approaches and I've lost my cool many times. Thanks for the book suggestion. I'm going to take a look at it.
Why don't you let him take the standard gifted test instead of paying a psychologist and buy gifted status?
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greg123 wrote:
Apr 10th, 2016 8:49 pm
Why don't you let him take the standard gifted test instead of paying a psychologist and buy gifted status?
There is standard gifted testing? In my province only the psychologists that are approved by the school board are allowed. You still pay for it, but I am not sure how one buys the status.
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greg123 wrote:
Apr 10th, 2016 8:49 pm
Why don't you let him take the standard gifted test instead of paying a psychologist and buy gifted status?
We're thinking about that too but couldn't find enough information on a gifted test in Ottawa other than through a psychologist. If there's one in Ottawa of course a gifted test would be ideal and I guess less expensive. But right now we are just gathering information so we can decide what to do next.

I'm not sure what you mean by buying the status. I'm not familiar with the process done by the psychologist to evaluate the child so if you could elaborate on that.
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In the OCDSB, gifted tests aren't done until grade 3 because the test is in English. My kids are in French Immersion and grade 3 is when they actually have enough English to properly comprehend the questions. My elder son took the gifted test in Gr 2 and didn't make it because of his English whereas his math was good because I tutored him in it.

Greg123, sometimes you need that gifted label in younger grades so that the teachers can better understand how to deal with some kids. After the test and it is made aware to the teachers then they are legally required to accommodate the childs needs. Also, teachers encourage parents to get their kids tested if they are "trouble" kids.
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greg123 wrote:
Apr 10th, 2016 8:49 pm
Why don't you let him take the standard gifted test instead of paying a psychologist and buy gifted status?
standard gifted test is like 2 hours (if that)t through the school board. It's a basic review of your skills. The one you pay for out of your pocket is much more detailed, and takes a few hours.

i failed the "Standard" test, and "bought" my way in (well my parents did). I was top 5 in my class in all subjects except for the arts/physical parts of PE when I was in the gifted program.

You don't buy the status. You buy a more thorough review. School Psychs are over worked/under paid, their results aren't always spot on.
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Back to the OP. You seem really hesitate about getting the testing? What are your concerns about getting tested? If you think about the test is just another assessment means to understanding how your child learns and functions, then the more information the better.
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Asker123 wrote:
Apr 6th, 2016 4:27 pm
Took the boy to school for registration.
He started behaving his usual way ...trying to touch and pick everything , running around in the hallway ..asking for something to eat in the middle of we filling forms and then there was big mess .. he started rolling on floor, crying , yelling ....big drama..

Are we toast?

My boy ( 4 years) never went to any day care.. stayed with mom all the time .. He is intelligent but big time naughty.. atleast thats the way we feel..

We met the admin lady who took all the forms and documents etc but a teacher also came to talk to us..Along with many tips she gave she also told to talk to family doctor who she said will recommend a pediatrician who will do a full developmental exam/assessment and will give a report for school....We already have a pediatrician....My question is .... Is our admission to KG not guaranteed...What will the pediatrician do?

Never thought we would need to go to doctor or something....

She asked to put the kid in the private pre KG school which we kind of now regret not doing it earlier.....

Love my boy a lot but he is way too naughty..... Can the school refuse to put my boy in KG if he is too naughty?


Discussing this family matter with some of these members is not safe.

You can handle everything on your own without intervention by anyone.

I suggest you move fast and expedite your privacy from the school , shrinks , this is not a medical condition only jitters

You do not want your child classified
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Update -

So lot has changed since the day of registration. We know that our boy has some naughty behavior. He is intelligent and good in all his work yet gets distracted very easily, does not listen at times, does not follow instruction and keep doing what he is doing etc..

So as suggested by the school teacher ( on the day of registration) , we consulted with our pediatrician. She said, since he has not been in a day care of anything , she will like to give him at least 6 months before any assessment. She thinks may be this is behavior issue and will get corrected after having a formal environment where he will be with other kids and learn. She said she wants to be fair with him.

Now all summer gone. We worked hard at home too and he has a lot of improvements.

Now month of Sep has passed ( boy is in junior KG) , Not even one day we got any call from school that they needed some intervention of something of that sort. Sometimes when my wife goes to pick him up , they do tell that he pushed someone etc..

Yet his teacher called my wife for some planning session and she discussed his strength , weakness etc and at the end of the session reminded her as to what happened of the assessment that the other teacher had asked on the day of registration.

My wife told her what our pediatrician told us ( and this she has already told to the phone call she had received from the school a few days after the registration) that the Doctor will like to give him 6 months in school.

Teacher said... well blah blah.. we can't wait for 6 months. We will give a letter for the doctor may be next month with his strengths and weaknesses etc..

Are they targeting my boy? What is the max they can do ? Expel him from the school ? then what are our options?
I am not getting it. They never had to call us that the boy is out of control etc...
Well the boy is naughty... Like he does not listen sometimes or not follow instructions ...
So what does this assessment does ? anyone knows? If doctor says yes he has ADHD ? then what?
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Asker123 wrote:
Oct 5th, 2016 3:48 pm
Are they targeting my boy? What is the max they can do ? Expel him from the school ? then what are our options?
I am not getting it. They never had to call us that the boy is out of control etc...
Well the boy is naughty... Like he does not listen sometimes or not follow instructions ...
So what does this assessment does ? anyone knows? If doctor says yes he has ADHD ? then what?
I highly doubt they're targeting your child. There is no incentive in Canada for schools to ask for assessments, other than early identification of issues. This can only help your child, to be honest. If he actually does need any kind of help, it may take a long time to get it and it's better to get his name on whatever lists there are sooner (in terms of seeing any specialists or having any kind of therapy) rather than later.

Teachers see a lot of kids. They get to recognize signs for certain learning disabilities/issues, etc, and while they may be wrong in the end, they're likely just being proactive and it's not a bad thing.

Let them send the doctor the letter. Get on the list for any assessments. Keep doing what you're doing. And if you're not happy with whatever the assessments show or whatever the school makes of them, then ask for a second opinion. You will need to advocate for your child and this may require (eventually) changing schools if you feel they've unfairly labelled him but for now, work with them and trust that they're not doing this out of any ill will towards your child. For children with actual issues, early intervention can make all the difference in the world.

It sounds like you have a good pediatrician so work with her too and make sure she fully explains everything that is being done, why and what other options are available (if he is actually diagnosed with anything). But by the time the assessments roll around, he may already have settled and there won't even be anything to deal with.
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Asker123 wrote:
Oct 5th, 2016 3:48 pm

So what does this assessment does ? anyone knows? If doctor says yes he has ADHD ? then what?
Our daughter has moderate-severe ADHD amongst other things. The school wasn't able to help us so we got a referral through our family doctor to a local psychologist (as well as a hearing and vision assessment). This was after a number of horrible academic years. It cost just over $2K, some of which was covered by benefits. She was tested over three days, several hours at a time. Even though she did "the worst he'd ever tested" on the attention span testing, he wouldn't diagnose her flat out with ADHD, but did write a report putting everything but the kitchen sink in that was used as the basis for her IEP. Based on the psychologist report, we got a referral to a psychiatrist who we were stuck with for a year plus. The psychiatrist was a total waste of time. After we got her meds stabilized, we transferred back to family doc for her regular care. The hearing test came back indicating she has a processing disorder so that's in her IEP too.

Present day - we just got the result of her grade 6 EQAO. A's across the board. She's been on the same meds for years, and the side effects are largely gone. Her teachers follow her IEP and are supportive. Every so often she skips her pills and the old behaviour comes roaring back.
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Asker123 wrote:
Oct 5th, 2016 3:48 pm
Update -


My wife told her what our pediatrician told us ( and this she has already told to the phone call she had received from the school a few days after the registration) that the Doctor will like to give him 6 months in school.

Teacher said... well blah blah.. we can't wait for 6 months. We will give a letter for the doctor may be next month with his strengths and weaknesses etc..

Are they targeting my boy? What is the max they can do ? Expel him from the school ? then what are our options?
I am not getting it. They never had to call us that the boy is out of control etc...
Well the boy is naughty... Like he does not listen sometimes or not follow instructions ...
So what does this assessment does ? anyone knows? If doctor says yes he has ADHD ? then what?
Sounds like you have a good pediatrician and giving 6 months is a good idea. However, I don't know how long it takes to get assessments in your province, but in mine, if it is recommended by a perdiatrician (therefore covered) it could be another 6 month wait from the referee as. If it is private, it's usually a couple of months. My point is, you don't want to go through the school year, then have to wait, and the go through an assessment. My question is what is the 'blah blah blah' reasoning you dismissed, that matters.

Why on the world would a teacher target your boy to ask to get him help, unless he may need it. Just because a child 'isn't out of control', doesn't mean they can get som extra support, I don't think that they can force you out of a school system that is public unless he is disruptive, but is that fair to your son or the kids? Also, they may not force him out, but the may not be able to help him Lear. As parent, y has u have to give teachers something to work with.

I don't know why you don't want the assessment. If you dr says he has whatever, then you know and you start work with it. The assessment drones change the fact if he has something or not. If he has ADHD and you don't get him assessed, he will still have it, expect no one will now for sure, and be to help him less, Same with, he may be gifted, the assessment doesn't make him gifted but it takes away some of the interpretation,
On a 'smart' device that isn't always so smart. So please forgive the autocorrects and typos.
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Thanks everyone for your advise and help...
Yes , we are getting to the point that whenever school formally ask us to get the assessment done, we would do so.
In the meanwhile , over the last month, school had to call my wife to take the kid home as he disturbed others and then when he was asked to not do that and sit silently, he started screaming and crying and yes he just lets his body roll on floor when he is like that. This has happened twice in last month means once every 2 weeks.
We are trying to understand what are the implication of this.
If this way , they keep on sending him back home once in every 2 week , then whats next... I mean that way the year will end and will he go to next class?
His reading, writing, analysis, maths are very good... Sometimes I am amused he can read the signboards etc with complex words which we never taught him...What I am saying is, he is intelligent but very fluctuating behavior..can't sit at one place if not reading or writing or watching something on screen...

They have a report card/ feedback session planned for mid Nov but does anyone has any idea, what happens if they keep on sending him back home once every 2 weeks or so....
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Asker123 wrote:
Nov 4th, 2016 11:17 am
Thanks everyone for your advise and help...
Yes , we are getting to the point that whenever school formally ask us to get the assessment done, we would do so.
In the meanwhile , over the last month, school had to call my wife to take the kid home as he disturbed others and then when he was asked to not do that and sit silently, he started screaming and crying and yes he just lets his body roll on floor when he is like that. This has happened twice in last month means once every 2 weeks.
We are trying to understand what are the implication of this.
If this way , they keep on sending him back home once in every 2 week , then whats next... I mean that way the year will end and will he go to next class?
His reading, writing, analysis, maths are very good... Sometimes I am amused he can read the signboards etc with complex words which we never taught him...What I am saying is, he is intelligent but very fluctuating behavior..can't sit at one place if not reading or writing or watching something on screen...

They have a report card/ feedback session planned for mid Nov but does anyone has any idea, what happens if they keep on sending him back home once every 2 weeks or so....
What are you doing at home to deal with his behavioral issues?

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That's what I'm wondering too! How do you discipline him at home? You call him "naughty" and I'm not sure if its a language thing or not, but in my interpretation, "naughty" is a kind of 'cute' term - like its not a serious issue. Its great if your son is smart, but there's something to be said for being able to interact with other people on a social level and he sounds like he's disruptive to the other kids and the classroom.

If you're in a situation with other kids outside of school and he misbehaves, what do you do about it? Does he listen to you and your wife when you discipline him?

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