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Buying phones on Kijiji - Blacklisted

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bomber17 wrote:
Sep 28th, 2017 11:03 pm
The guy could've shown you a fraudulent ID that he used to activate the phone to begin with. A lot of people doing this type of fraud aren't regular people. They don't have a steady place of living and are probably renting one place to the other. They could care less if you go to the address as they probably don't live there anymore. And tbh, they probably know you have no legal recourse so they simply don't care if you do go straight to their house. You can call the cops, but fraudsters can say they sold the phone as is and anything that happens to it later on is on you.
Rofl, yes people, I realize that X, Y, or Z could happen. North Korea could also drop a bomb on the phone that is sold to you as well, and checking their receipt would be meaningless. The phone could also be built to self-destruct, and the information on their ID would be meaningless.

The point still stands, buying on a classifieds site is a risk, and you just need to take as many steps to safeguard against being scammed as possible. This includes getting phone numbers, names, IDs, receipts, license plates, etc. This doesn't necessarily have to be for legal recourse, but just as a way to gauge the trustworthiness from the average buyer. All these systems can be beat, yes, but if there was another means to safeguard yourself against scammers, we'd all be doing it.

Nothing is foolproof, but you do what you can, and if that risk is simply too much for you, buy it from an authorized (re)seller.
kaliman wrote:
Sep 29th, 2017 1:04 am
A lot of people are reluctant to show DL to a total stranger, however showing DL may work if both seller and buyer show their ids. That is until one of the party produce a fake id.
Usually for items where a purchase is made under someone's name (i.e. sports/concert tickets, phones), people are usually amenable to showing an ID if requested (in my experience).
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Sep 29th, 2017 12:26 am
Might be a good idea at this point for the Mods to have a sticky thread about buying used phones...
You should post this suggestion in the 'Site Comments & Suggestions' forum

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Since the concern is blacklisting, I don't see how showing ID will do much (aside proving the seller didn't steal the phone, and that would require original receipt as well, plus a receipt can be fabricated via doctoring).

As a seller with nothing to hide, I don't mind showing my d/l but would probably make it a two way deal. If they want to see my d/l, I'll want to see theirs. If they want a photo of my d/l, I'll take a photo of theirs. Only exception is obviously I can't reciprocate requesting for proof of purchase.
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Why buy on Kijiji if you are worried of being scammed? Why even entertain that thought? Yes, prices will be cheaper but it comes with a "price" to pay.
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myinglin0318 wrote:
Sep 29th, 2017 8:46 am
Why buy on Kijiji if you are worried of being scammed? Why even entertain that thought? Yes, prices will be cheaper but it comes with a "price" to pay.
Some people rather shop on Kijiji, even if it's more expensive. Some people are wired to shop that way. It would take years of brainwashing to get them to understand that they can get phones for less than a case of beer or at least at massive discounts brand new from the big three.
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titaniumtux wrote:
Sep 29th, 2017 6:23 am
Since the concern is blacklisting, I don't see how showing ID will do much (aside proving the seller didn't steal the phone, and that would require original receipt as well, plus a receipt can be fabricated via doctoring).

As a seller with nothing to hide, I don't mind showing my d/l but would probably make it a two way deal. If they want to see my d/l, I'll want to see theirs. If they want a photo of my d/l, I'll take a photo of theirs. Only exception is obviously I can't reciprocate requesting for proof of purchase.
If I sell a phone of over $500, I probably bring the buyer to view the phone and test it in the garage of my own house. "Feel free to ask question". My street has 80% older folks and I am one of them
There is a slight chance of security/credit issue in giving DL info to buyer.
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I've been buying/selling phones on Kijiji for the better part of a decade a d have never had someone blacklist a phone on me(literally several hundred phones)
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Phonophoresis wrote:
Sep 29th, 2017 1:36 am
Usually for items where a purchase is made under someone's name (i.e. sports/concert tickets, phones), people are usually amenable to showing an ID if requested (in my experience).
That's true. There is a need to show proof of ownership if the name of purchaser/owner is shown on the merchandise (tickets).
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Viper98 wrote:
Sep 30th, 2017 11:39 am
I've been buying/selling phones on Kijiji for the better part of a decade a d have never had someone blacklist a phone on me(literally several hundred phones)
Good point. Only those sales that turned bad (blacklisted) got posted here. People don't post Kijiji's cell phone sales that has no problems. So the actual percentage of blacklisted phones sold on Kijiji is not known. It could be 1 out of 100 cell phones sold on Kijiji. Or 1 out of 1000 cell phones sold on Kijiji.
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Wow when I got my last phone on craigslist I thought it was weird that the guy gave me his receipt with full personal information on it, but I guess he was trying to be reassuring.
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I'd make sure the conversation got flipped to real e-mail before making the purchase. Also a good idea to exchange texts. (yes, they could use a burner, but that coupled with an e-mail?).

Having a phone blacklisted after selling it is fraud (it's the equivalent to stealing). The police can subpoena the cell records from the carrier and the e-mail records from the mail poster and the associated ISP when they view the mail headers.

People knowingly selling stolen phones actually can't do that as they don't have that relationship with the originating carrier.

As for what to do with blacklisted devices that you DID purchase from the rightful owner? Once the police have been involved they should be able to get the carrier to have the blacklist cleared. (It's a database maintained by the GSMA - the originating carriers can clear the entry if it's justified - ie. the phone was blacklisted erroneously).
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The way you can avoid this scam is to get a signed bill of sale when you buy a phone off of Kijiji. And if you're really paranoid ask them to confirm their identity with photo ID as well. If the seller is legit, they'll be willing to give you a bill of sale. Although I probably wouldn't be buying a phone for hundreds of dollars on Kijiji, if new phones are on there they're quite often stolen.
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Then brother in law is lucky, he bought 2 iphones from kijiji, and he didn't get black listed
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Just like with watches, buy the seller, not the phone! Dealing with reputable sellers is key.
OpenMobile wrote:
Oct 14th, 2017 8:28 pm
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Having a phone blacklisted after selling it is fraud (it's the equivalent to stealing). The police can subpoena the cell records from the carrier and the e-mail records from the mail poster and the associated ISP when they view the mail headers.
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That is incorrect, fraud would be the seller taking the money and walking without giving you a phone. You get a phone, but it is not what you expected since it's blacklisted, it becomes a civil matter between you and the seller. The police won't help unless there is outright theft, even then there has to be violence/weapons/threats involved for it to be taken seriously enough to involve subpoenas from service providers.
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Nope, you're wrong. Blacklisting it after the effect is equivalent to declaring it stolen after selling it. It's still fraud, regardless of whether your malice was before or after the sale.

Whether the police are willing to investigate or not really depends on your locale. I wouldn't expect them to get involved in Toronto...but smaller municipalities, you may be able to find a sympathetic ear.

If you can find the identity of the thief, you can take them to small claims court to recoup your money. (hence the need to try to get real contact information).

Additionally...I'm thinking this happens very rare indeed...what would be the point in having something blacklisted after the fact - except to run the risk of getting yourself into trouble??? Pointless and immature.

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