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Buying phones on Kijiji - Blacklisted

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One thing i am not clear about and perhaps someone has had some experience with is phones that are bought outright. Whether it is iphone or android, how does one go about blacklisting those as they are not part of any carrier inventory. From what i gather that phones bought outright from Apple cannot be blacklisted if they have never been activated? I assume at the point if insurance was involved and serial number was provided the insurance can get it blacklisted but no other recourse.
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OpenMobile wrote:
Oct 14th, 2017 8:28 pm
Having a phone blacklisted after selling it is fraud (it's the equivalent to stealing). The police can subpoena the cell records from the carrier and the e-mail records from the mail poster and the associated ISP when they view the mail headers.

As for what to do with blacklisted devices that you DID purchase from the rightful owner? Once the police have been involved they should be able to get the carrier to have the blacklist cleared.
Are you joking?

Police would NEVER bother to subpoena cell records for this (they will not even get involved, will tell you to take it up in Civil Court)
Fraud would never be charged, much less proven

And even if you had their info, you would now be out another $500 or so dollars just to file the claim and try to enforce it
Only person who can unblacklist the phone is the person who reported it. Police again have nothing to with this.

Cut your losses and move on, not worth it
OpenMobile wrote:
Oct 24th, 2017 2:24 pm
Nope, you're wrong. Blacklisting it after the effect is equivalent to declaring it stolen after selling it. It's still fraud, regardless of whether your malice was before or after the sale.

Whether the police are willing to investigate or not really depends on your locale. I wouldn't expect them to get involved in Toronto...but smaller municipalities, you may be able to find a sympathetic ear.
Although I do not doubt in a small town an officer would be far more likely to talk to someone, unless that person is an idiot they do not need to answer anything.
Officer has nothing to charge them with.

Your legal definition is way off base as well. Fraud itself is not defined in Criminal Code, but the "malice" you refer to MUST be before the sale.
Once sale is completed, if he suddenly wakes up next morning deciding to screw you over (no idea why but for theory) this is in no way fraud
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Happened to me. Bought an iPhone 7+. Two months later, the phone lost reception. Checked the imei database and it was blacklisted. Kept the texts and contacted the seller. He said he did declare it lost for the Fido insurance money. He was puzzled why the carrier was able to block... very stupid person. He gave back the money without any hassle, cuz he wanted to “f the system”, not random people.
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You can consider yourself extremely lucky. Otherwise with this blacklisting thing, buying off random people has become very risky unless you’re lucky or do your due diligence.
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Holystone wrote:
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You can consider yourself extremely lucky. Otherwise with this blacklisting thing, buying off random people has become very risky unless you’re lucky or do your due diligence.
From what i have read here seems like no matter what you do you can still get funked. License? Check. Contract? Check. Meet at a police station? Check. Apparently if they block it you still cant get it unblocked unless the seller does it. Cops won't do shit unless he was doing 67 in a 50.
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If you're buying devices that's at least a year old, no one would report it stolen because they've got nothing to gain. (Insurance scam only applies for 1st yr after purchase anyways)
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Buying a device that was sold unlocked from the OEM rather than a telco is also a good way to avoid being blacklisted. Only telcos blacklist not Manufacturers.
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porksoda wrote:
Oct 27th, 2017 1:20 pm
One thing i am not clear about and perhaps someone has had some experience with is phones that are bought outright. Whether it is iphone or android, how does one go about blacklisting those as they are not part of any carrier inventory. From what i gather that phones bought outright from Apple cannot be blacklisted if they have never been activated? I assume at the point if insurance was involved and serial number was provided the insurance can get it blacklisted but no other recourse.
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Nov 27th, 2017 6:51 am
Buying a device that was sold unlocked from the OEM rather than a telco is also a good way to avoid being blacklisted. Only telcos blacklist not Manufacturers.
Phones only get blacklisted from insurance claims. Buying a phone outright from manufacturer is not immune to this.

Phones go on collections block based on usage on account in collections. Say you signed up for phone X on a 2 yr with carrier A. For whatever reason, you don't use phone X, you put carrier A sim in phone Y. You stop paying your bills. Carrier A will put a collections block on phone Y (not sure whether phone X will be affected in this scenario).

Take the phone to carrier B, and you could repeat the scenario on carrier B.

Phone Y doesn't have to be a "carrier phone".
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Nov 27th, 2017 7:00 pm
@Mrnovanova This doesn’t change anything.
Factory unlocked phone can still be blacklisted by carriers.
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If the seller blacklist the phone can i prove that the phone is mine if i show the carrier the receipt that was provided to me with the phone?
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I'm thinking of buying a phone thru Kijiji and wondering how safe it is to do so? I've never bought thru Kijiji before. This would be a BNIB phone. I didn't bother asking any questions, all I care about is if the box is sealed, never opened. Is there anything to ask or to look out for?

I've bought new phones thru eBay and RFD without any problems. I would do it again, however I don't see the phone I want and at a reasonable price.
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Just do a search of the forums about Kijiji and buying phones whether BNIB or not, and blacklisting. Buying a phone through Kijiji is a crapshoot at best.

Then after doing that if you still want to buy on through Kijiji please don't come back here and ask what you can do about it, as the answer will be you shoujldn't have bought from there in the first place.
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Raggie wrote:
Dec 7th, 2017 8:02 pm
I'm thinking of buying a phone thru Kijiji and wondering how safe it is to do so? I've never bought thru Kijiji before. This would be a BNIB phone. I didn't bother asking any questions, all I care about is if the box is sealed, never opened. Is there anything to ask or to look out for?

I've bought new phones thru eBay and RFD without any problems. I would do it again, however I don't see the phone I want and at a reasonable price.
Buyin phones on kiijiji are more of scam nowadays. You could be lucky and meet some honest people selling. But personally I don't think it's worth the risk. 2 years ago I bought a oneplus1 phone off a guy from kijiji and 2 days later it lost reception and was blacklisted for being stolen. I know there was nothing I could do, so I sold it on ebay internationally to get most of my money back. If you do plan on buying I'll give you some tips, meet up in a safe place, ask for receipt, ask many questions, fully test the phone, test your sim card in it and make a call, look at the person to see what kind of guy he is, younger male teens are more likely to scam, and lastly check his phone number to see if it's real or if it's a fake app number.

Buying phones bnib on kijiji is almost always a scam, ask yourself, why would a person sell a bnib phone? Why would they buy it in the first place, why do they not have the receipt, why would they not return it back to where they bought it and get their full money back? The only exception to this is if someone got it as a gift and doesn't want it or they won it somehow and don't want it. Otherwise it's a big risk.
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Raggie wrote:
Dec 7th, 2017 8:02 pm
I'm thinking of buying a phone thru Kijiji and wondering how safe it is to do so? I've never bought thru Kijiji before. This would be a BNIB phone. I didn't bother asking any questions, all I care about is if the box is sealed, never opened. Is there anything to ask or to look out for?

I've bought new phones thru eBay and RFD without any problems. I would do it again, however I don't see the phone I want and at a reasonable price.
What phone were you interested in buying? iPhones when sold BNIB in sealed box at a hefty discount are almost guaranteed to be blacklisted or collections-blocked. Cheaper Androids (budget and sometimes mid-range) are more likely to be legit (as the seller would have a smaller financial gain from insurance fraud or going delinquent on the carrier).

Put yourself in the seller's shoes and try to assess. If they're selling a newer flagship for less than half-price, then it's probably a scam. If the phone itself retails for less than $300, then it's probably safe, since the seller would be risking a fair bit just to collect $100-150 cash.
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I'm thinking Google Pixel that was originally purchased thru Google would less likely be blacklisted...
The seller has the BNIB as a replacement thru warranty, but prefers a smaller phone so hes selling it. Sounds reasonable, But of course, anyone could give this reason... And already replaced on a year old phone? I would need to see the Google receipt and check the imei....
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