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Buying phones on Kijiji - Blacklisted

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kukkudo wrote:
Sep 28th, 2017 1:52 pm
Was wondering would it be possible for a seller to blacklist a phone after selling it someone (screwing over the buyer). For example, you met a kijiji seller for an iphone and paid them $700-800 and say shortly after he/she phones there provider and says there phone is stolen and for the provider blacklist it. This issue always got me weary of buying phones on kijiji cause there a lot of shady sellers.
Yes, if you think you gonna save few $ buying phone in kijiji, you gonna end up losing $700-$800.

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kukkudo wrote:
Sep 28th, 2017 1:52 pm
Was wondering would it be possible for a seller to blacklist a phone after selling it someone (screwing over the buyer). For example, you met a kijiji seller for an iphone and paid them $700-800 and say shortly after he/she phones there provider and says there phone is stolen and for the provider blacklist it. This issue always got me weary of buying phones on kijiji cause there a lot of shady sellers.
If possible insist on getting a full receipt of the phone. A typical scenario is that the buyer gets the phone after commiting a 2 years higher rate (over $80 a month) service. Once he walks out of the contract (say lay off or work permit terminated....) , the phone will be blacklisted by the carrier. There is not much the buyer can do if the original seller did not even have a full title of ownership
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Phonophoresis wrote:
Sep 28th, 2017 2:17 pm
Yes, of course they can. That's the risk you take when buying a phone directly off of someone, unfortunately. If you're super suspicious, perhaps sneak a peak at their ID and commit the details to memory?
In the scenario that I mentioned above, having the seller's id does not help. He is not the one to report loss. Also it is not a crime not being able to pay for an expensive 2 year contract (e.g. company layoff)
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danieltoronto wrote:
Sep 28th, 2017 6:01 pm
In the scenario that I mentioned above, having the seller's id does not help. He is not the one to report loss. Also it is not a crime not being able to pay for an expensive 2 year contract (e.g. company layoff)
Having the seller's ID helps immensely and greatly reduces the chances of being screwed. You may not necessarily have legal recourse, but think about it, would you be willing to show your DL to someone if you were either going to blacklist the phone, or knew it was going to be in the near future?

It's just a fact that it's a risk either way. The more information the seller can provide to you, the higher assurance you can have that it's a safe transaction, it's really as simple as that.
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Phonophoresis wrote:
Sep 28th, 2017 6:09 pm
Having the seller's ID helps immensely and greatly reduces the chances of being screwed. You may not necessarily have legal recourse, but think about it, would you be willing to show your DL to someone if you were either going to blacklist the phone, or knew it was going to be in the near future?

It's just a fact that it's a risk either way. The more information the seller can provide to you, the higher assurance you can have that it's a safe transaction, it's really as simple as that.
The seller may not even have the slightest intention to cheat. But if he/she cannot afford the expensive carrier cost a month for 2 years (which has a hidden instatment portion of the cost of the phone), nailing him/her is useless.
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Phonophoresis wrote:
Sep 28th, 2017 6:09 pm
Having the seller's ID helps immensely and greatly reduces the chances of being screwed. You may not necessarily have legal recourse, but think about it, would you be willing to show your DL to someone if you were either going to blacklist the phone, or knew it was going to be in the near future?

It's just a fact that it's a risk either way. The more information the seller can provide to you, the higher assurance you can have that it's a safe transaction, it's really as simple as that.
The guy could've shown you a fraudulent ID that he used to activate the phone to begin with. A lot of people doing this type of fraud aren't regular people. They don't have a steady place of living and are probably renting one place to the other. They could care less if you go to the address as they probably don't live there anymore. And tbh, they probably know you have no legal recourse so they simply don't care if you do go straight to their house. You can call the cops, but fraudsters can say they sold the phone as is and anything that happens to it later on is on you.
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Phonophoresis wrote:
Sep 28th, 2017 6:09 pm
Having the seller's ID helps immensely and greatly reduces the chances of being screwed. You may not necessarily have legal recourse, but think about it, would you be willing to show your DL to someone if you were either going to blacklist the phone, or knew it was going to be in the near future?

It's just a fact that it's a risk either way. The more information the seller can provide to you, the higher assurance you can have that it's a safe transaction, it's really as simple as that.
A lot of people are reluctant to show DL to a total stranger, however showing DL may work if both seller and buyer show their ids. That is until one of the party produce a fake id.
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bomber17 wrote:
Sep 28th, 2017 11:03 pm
The guy could've shown you a fraudulent ID that he used to activate the phone to begin with. A lot of people doing this type of fraud aren't regular people. They don't have a steady place of living and are probably renting one place to the other. They could care less if you go to the address as they probably don't live there anymore. And tbh, they probably know you have no legal recourse so they simply don't care if you do go straight to their house. You can call the cops, but fraudsters can say they sold the phone as is and anything that happens to it later on is on you.
Rofl, yes people, I realize that X, Y, or Z could happen. North Korea could also drop a bomb on the phone that is sold to you as well, and checking their receipt would be meaningless. The phone could also be built to self-destruct, and the information on their ID would be meaningless.

The point still stands, buying on a classifieds site is a risk, and you just need to take as many steps to safeguard against being scammed as possible. This includes getting phone numbers, names, IDs, receipts, license plates, etc. This doesn't necessarily have to be for legal recourse, but just as a way to gauge the trustworthiness from the average buyer. All these systems can be beat, yes, but if there was another means to safeguard yourself against scammers, we'd all be doing it.

Nothing is foolproof, but you do what you can, and if that risk is simply too much for you, buy it from an authorized (re)seller.
kaliman wrote:
Sep 29th, 2017 1:04 am
A lot of people are reluctant to show DL to a total stranger, however showing DL may work if both seller and buyer show their ids. That is until one of the party produce a fake id.
Usually for items where a purchase is made under someone's name (i.e. sports/concert tickets, phones), people are usually amenable to showing an ID if requested (in my experience).
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Sep 29th, 2017 12:26 am
Might be a good idea at this point for the Mods to have a sticky thread about buying used phones...
You should post this suggestion in the 'Site Comments & Suggestions' forum

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Since the concern is blacklisting, I don't see how showing ID will do much (aside proving the seller didn't steal the phone, and that would require original receipt as well, plus a receipt can be fabricated via doctoring).

As a seller with nothing to hide, I don't mind showing my d/l but would probably make it a two way deal. If they want to see my d/l, I'll want to see theirs. If they want a photo of my d/l, I'll take a photo of theirs. Only exception is obviously I can't reciprocate requesting for proof of purchase.
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Why buy on Kijiji if you are worried of being scammed? Why even entertain that thought? Yes, prices will be cheaper but it comes with a "price" to pay.
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myinglin0318 wrote:
Sep 29th, 2017 8:46 am
Why buy on Kijiji if you are worried of being scammed? Why even entertain that thought? Yes, prices will be cheaper but it comes with a "price" to pay.
Some people rather shop on Kijiji, even if it's more expensive. Some people are wired to shop that way. It would take years of brainwashing to get them to understand that they can get phones for less than a case of beer or at least at massive discounts brand new from the big three.
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Sep 29th, 2017 6:23 am
Since the concern is blacklisting, I don't see how showing ID will do much (aside proving the seller didn't steal the phone, and that would require original receipt as well, plus a receipt can be fabricated via doctoring).

As a seller with nothing to hide, I don't mind showing my d/l but would probably make it a two way deal. If they want to see my d/l, I'll want to see theirs. If they want a photo of my d/l, I'll take a photo of theirs. Only exception is obviously I can't reciprocate requesting for proof of purchase.
If I sell a phone of over $500, I probably bring the buyer to view the phone and test it in the garage of my own house. "Feel free to ask question". My street has 80% older folks and I am one of them
There is a slight chance of security/credit issue in giving DL info to buyer.
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I've been buying/selling phones on Kijiji for the better part of a decade a d have never had someone blacklist a phone on me(literally several hundred phones)

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