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Buying phones on Kijiji - Blacklisted

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resan wrote:
Nov 10th, 2014 12:31 pm
With all the frauds emerging lately when the used phones get blacklisted for various reasons, is there a way we can protect ourselves and have the phone IMEI properly and officially transferred to our name?
There are still some good deals available when compared to buying from carriers so I believe with few precautions we can still realize good savings and a safe purchase.
Please share your tips to avoid getting your phone blacklisted after the fact. Thanks
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resan wrote:
Nov 10th, 2014 12:31 pm
With all the frauds emerging lately when the used phones get blacklisted for various reasons, is there a way we can protect ourselves and have the phone IMEI properly and officially transferred to our name?
There are still some good deals available when compared to buying from carriers so I believe with few precautions we can still realize good savings and a safe purchase.
Please share your tips to avoid getting your phone blacklisted after the fact. Thanks
Lovable wrote:
Nov 10th, 2014 2:30 pm
The risk is there in the second-hand market, no matter where you buy from. You think buying from RFD is a safe place? How do you think the folks with +100 feedback keep trading various phones every year? You think the phones they trade are all owned by their accounts?

All you have with high feedback seller is their reputation and their word but I bet if I was selling a phone I got from someone else, I know I cannot guarantee it will not be blacklisted in the future.
OP, the above highlighted point. Also, you never know if the RFD seller with high good feedback can be selling cheap $5 or $10 stuff, after earning enough positive feedback from the cheap sales moves in to make a $1000 cell phone score.

So if you won't take the risk, then don't buy from the used market. Even for Kijiji, not all Kijiji users are crooks. You visited Kijiji and that does not make you a crook if one day you use Kijiji to sell an unwanted item.
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Traian2003 wrote:
Oct 30th, 2017 8:24 am
Happened to me. Bought an iPhone 7+. Two months later, the phone lost reception. Checked the imei database and it was blacklisted. Kept the texts and contacted the seller. He said he did declare it lost for the Fido insurance money. He was puzzled why the carrier was able to block... very stupid person. He gave back the money without any hassle, cuz he wanted to “f the system”, not random people.
So the only reason this is happening is because of Greed? The seller sells the phone 2u, makes $$$, then is greedy and wants more $$$ so he reports it lost/stolen and gets the insurance $$$ too? then you get screwed out of a phone u paid for because it gets blacklisted when he reports it stolen and he gets extra $$$? sounds like we need to report these tools. fraud is fraud
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So i bought two phones (iphones) with applecare and i had the seller call apple with me to change ownership, i spoke to the applecare plus csat employees about blacklisting and they said since all paperwork is switched over and well documented it should be good.

Lets see how it pans out.
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I got burned back in 2013 buying a blacklisted phone on Kijiji. I needed the phone mostly when travelling in the US. It was a Tmo S3, that I was going to use with a Tmo prepaid. Well, I found out it was blacklisted so I could not use it in the US. I sold it back in Canada (there was no black list here) and moved on. As a result, I didn't buy phones from kijiji for a few years.
However, last year I decided to give it a try again. This time, I had no issue. However, I was extremely cautious. Here are the steps you should follow, in order:

Step 1. You see a deal you like. Reply to the user and ask him/her to give you the IMEI of the phone (always mention in your reply that the imei can be obtained by dialing *#06#). Check the IMEI in a variety of sites, not just against the Canadian blacklist. Use sites like imei.info, imeipro.info, etc (do a google search on imei checkers). You will glean useful info regarding the phone, like country of origin (then run an imei check in that country), day of manufacture, exact model number, features, etc. There are five possible outcomes from this 1st step:
1.a) No reply; that means either the phone is sold and the guy ignores any further messages, or he knows there is something wrong with the phone; move on;
1.b) IMEI shows the device is not blacklisted but is an international model; there is a risk the device is stolen from another country; but that means the device cannot be blocked in Canada. So overall there is a low risk in buying these devices, but remember, if you travel to the country where the device comes from, it may not work there. As a matter of principle, I decided to pass on an s7 edge coming from the middle east because I'm against buying things that may be stolen;
1.c) IMEI is invalid or does not correspond to the device model you're looking at: device is almost 100% stolen and blacklisted and to bring it back into the market, they changed the IMEI to that of an older phone or to a random number. The risk is very low: device will work and will never be blacklisted. However, as a matter of principle, I would pass on these stolen devices;
1.d) Valid IMEI corresponds to the device; pursue this further to step #2;
1.e) Device is blacklisted; run!

Before I go to step #2, let me give you a breakdown on the ~9 devices that I looked up on Kijiji: two belonged to case 1.a, one belonged to case 1.b, 3 belonged to case 1.c and 3 belonged to case 1.d; no device was blacklisted;

Step 2. I'm against buying potentially stolen devices, but If you decide to buy devices that correspond to Steps 1.b and 1.c, you are pretty safe, so you may not need to go to Step 2.
2.a) If seller suggests to meet in a public place like a mall, bank, etc, or is willing to come to your home, run away. A guy knowingly selling a blocked device or a device that he knows will get blocked will not want the buyer to know where he lives; unfortunately, you may weed out a few honest sellers in the process;
2.b) Seller gives you his address; show up prepared, test the device with your sim card, test the camera, sd card reader, audio (earpiece, speaker, earbuds), play a video, etc. Be creative and exhaustive. Ask about the original owner. Call the carrier the device was activated with; in my case, I did that before showing up at the guy's house. The device had been activated with Rogers; the operator was unwilling to share any personal information (duh!), but when specifically asked if there is any trouble with the device (like unpaid bills), she said no, I can buy it safely. Remember, YMMV on this, it depends on the operator.

So now you bought the device.

Step 3. In case the device gets blacklisted sometime down the road; this would be very unfair to you. The police won't help you. However, there are now a bunch of places that can change your phone IMEI for as low as $15. I'm against doing this on a stolen phone. But if you honestly bought the phone and the guy declares it stolen to get insurance money, then you are justified to follow this step to get back what you legally paid for.

Feel free to comment and/or add to these recommendations. Happy buying!
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csmede wrote:
Jan 17th, 2018 12:38 pm
I got burned back in 2013 buying a blacklisted phone on Kijiji. I needed the phone mostly when travelling in the US. It was a Tmo S3, that I was going to use with a Tmo prepaid. Well, I found out it was blacklisted so I could not use it in the US. I sold it back in Canada (there was no black list here) and moved on. As a result, I didn't buy phones from kijiji for a few years.
However, last year I decided to give it a try again. This time, I had no issue. However, I was extremely cautious. Here are the steps you should follow, in order:

Step 1. You see a deal you like. Reply to the user and ask him/her to give you the IMEI of the phone (always mention in your reply that the imei can be obtained by dialing *#06#). Check the IMEI in a variety of sites, not just against the Canadian blacklist. Use sites like imei.info, imeipro.info, etc (do a google search on imei checkers). You will glean useful info regarding the phone, like country of origin (then run an imei check in that country), day of manufacture, exact model number, features, etc. There are five possible outcomes from this 1st step:
1.a) No reply; that means either the phone is sold and the guy ignores any further messages, or he knows there is something wrong with the phone; move on;
1.b) IMEI shows the device is not blacklisted but is an international model; there is a risk the device is stolen from another country; but that means the device cannot be blocked in Canada. So overall there is a low risk in buying these devices, but remember, if you travel to the country where the device comes from, it may not work there. As a matter of principle, I decided to pass on an s7 edge coming from the middle east because I'm against buying things that may be stolen;
1.c) IMEI is invalid or does not correspond to the device model you're looking at: device is almost 100% stolen and blacklisted and to bring it back into the market, they changed the IMEI to that of an older phone or to a random number. The risk is very low: device will work and will never be blacklisted. However, as a matter of principle, I would pass on these stolen devices;
1.d) Valid IMEI corresponds to the device; pursue this further to step #2;
1.e) Device is blacklisted; run!

Before I go to step #2, let me give you a breakdown on the ~9 devices that I looked up on Kijiji: two belonged to case 1.a, one belonged to case 1.b, 3 belonged to case 1.c and 3 belonged to case 1.d; no device was blacklisted;

Step 2. I'm against buying potentially stolen devices, but If you decide to buy devices that correspond to Steps 1.b and 1.c, you are pretty safe, so you may not need to go to Step 2.
2.a) If seller suggests to meet in a public place like a mall, bank, etc, or is willing to come to your home, run away. A guy knowingly selling a blocked device or a device that he knows will get blocked will not want the buyer to know where he lives; unfortunately, you may weed out a few honest sellers in the process;
2.b) Seller gives you his address; show up prepared, test the device with your sim card, test the camera, sd card reader, audio (earpiece, speaker, earbuds), play a video, etc. Be creative and exhaustive. Ask about the original owner. Call the carrier the device was activated with; in my case, I did that before showing up at the guy's house. The device had been activated with Rogers; the operator was unwilling to share any personal information (duh!), but when specifically asked if there is any trouble with the device (like unpaid bills), she said no, I can buy it safely. Remember, YMMV on this, it depends on the operator.

So now you bought the device.

Step 3. In case the device gets blacklisted sometime down the road; this would be very unfair to you. The police won't help you. However, there are now a bunch of places that can change your phone IMEI for as low as $15. I'm against doing this on a stolen phone. But if you honestly bought the phone and the guy declares it stolen to get insurance money, then you are justified to follow this step to get back what you legally paid for.

Feel free to comment and/or add to these recommendations. Happy buying!
Not sure I would share my IMEI number until I know the buyer is serious?
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itrocks4u wrote:
Jan 17th, 2018 9:43 pm
Not sure I would share my IMEI number until I know the buyer is serious?
Yup, not something I'd give over email.
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kevdanga wrote:
Jan 18th, 2018 3:35 am
Yup, not something I'd give over email.
then how would you confirm, for a buyer if you are not forthcoming then the buyer would move on and assume its a scam.
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porksoda wrote:
Jan 19th, 2018 1:09 am
then how would you confirm, for a buyer if you are not forthcoming then the buyer would move on and assume its a scam.
Exactly; similar to condition 1.a) - move on.
So far, nobody ever replied that they can't give me the IMEI. Either I got no reply, or I got an IMEI.
Better to risk losing a good deal than risk loosing your money...
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csmede wrote:
Jan 19th, 2018 2:11 pm
Exactly; similar to condition 1.a) - move on.
So far, nobody ever replied that they can't give me the IMEI. Either I got no reply, or I got an IMEI.
Better to risk losing a good deal than risk loosing your money...
exactly, i am not sure why seller need to be so apprehensive they have nothing to lose as they get cash and not a postdated cheque.
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