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Can we have a mature discussion re vegetarianism/veganism?

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Stop feeding the troll, otherwise this is an interesting discussion.
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cRaZyRaVr wrote:
May 15th, 2017 9:52 am
The way I see it, quality over quantity.
I prefer to eat quality foods rather than stock up on the cheapest meat to buy from whatever retail shop. Hows that bad?
This post was intended to the person trying to go vegetarian, not your average "lets buy all cheapest frozen brined chicken breast from "wherever" cause $1.99/lbs" type of a poster.
What's wrong with savouring your food, right? Ignore the meat for a sec and look at your eating pattern - no processed foods; real, non-quickkie sit-down meals that you prepare with care. Personally I think that is more important for eating healthy over whether you are or are not veg.
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JustMe2016 wrote:
May 17th, 2017 12:45 pm
one thing I really do for myself alone is not consume alcohol and caffeine.
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P.S. I'm an expert on chips and cocoa ;)
As an expert on cocoa, I'm sure you realize there is caffeine in cocoa.
there is dissonance here, unless you are saying you don't eat cocoa?
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JustMe2016 wrote:
May 17th, 2017 12:45 pm
Meat, fish and crustaceans taste absolutely wonderful! Yet, I don't eat any. Why? Because I really do love animals and other living creatures. IOW, I do it for them, not for me. OTOH, one thing I really do for myself alone is not consume alcohol and caffeine. AFAIC, caffeine is as bad as cocaine, or other similar drugs. What makes it as bad is the fact that it is socially acceptable to consume caffeine. It will mess your brain like you have no idea...

No meat, no fish, no crustaceans, no alcohol and no caffeine; I'm really cheap to maintain :)

P.S. I'm an expert on chips and cocoa ;)

P.P.S. I used to go see the doc every 4-6 years but now I don't go anymore at all. I got tired to be told that I'm in perfect health :)

P.P.P.S. If ever you foolishly clog your arteries, here's a tip for you; drink 2 ounces of ACV (apple cider vinegar) with honey and hot water once per day. After a few weeks you will start seeing the difference and after 4-6 months your arteries will be unclogged. Best ACV comes in non-transparent container. Look up Omega Nutrition and you'll find what you need. And for overall general health, you can consume 1 once of ACV + honey + hot water per day. The 2 ounces drink is really heavy-duty and only designed to get you out of trouble. After a while, you may, or may not feel a little discomfort in an elbow, or knee the first time you drink ACV. Just stop drinking acv for a few days and then start drinking it again. Omega Nutrition's ACV contains 5% acetic acid. This is what will unclog your arteries.
how will apple cider vinegar and honey help unclog arteries?

the only way to achieve this is to increase HDl cholesterol and lower LDL cholesterol
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Caffeine is one of the few plant alkaloids I consume prodigiously, based on the research of their neuroprotective efficacy.
Far from being bad for your brain, the research to date is quite compellingly the opposite.
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Vitamin C is a drug.
Acetic acid is a drug.
Blueberries contain 3-methylbutyraldehyde as well as other things that are "good for you"
All foods are "drugs" in that they affect the physical body in one way or another.
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DiceMan wrote:
May 9th, 2017 12:38 pm
Jesus, I'm exhausted after reading all that - you have a lot of food issues. It reminds me of myself. With my gout and the need to control purines and anything that produces a lot of uric acid, it gets frustrating because sometimes it seems like damn well everything that humans can metabolise (vegetarian or meat) is off limits to me.
I hear you dude... at one point I didn't think there was anything I could eat that didn't cause one problem or another. The final straw for me was getting gout after being 100% vegetarian for a year, and being told it was too much purine in my diet. Turned out in my case that it was too much fruit, as fructose can cause uric acid levels to rise.
That experience of self diagnosis and subsequent recovery was the beginning of the end of my vegetarianism, and the start of questioning a lot of conventional wisdom about nutrition.
If you still have gout issues in spite of cutting out purines, I'd suggest looking into the fructose/gout connection.
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JustMe2016 wrote:
May 17th, 2017 1:58 pm
I'm sure you know what acid does, right? It dissolves things. Well, the 5% acetic acid in Omega Nutrition's ACV (I don't know the acidity of other ACVs as I have only used Omega's for the last 20+ years) will gradually melt whatever is clogging your arteries. Btw, I didn't read about that anywhere and nobody ever told me. It was my own little "invention" and it was tested twice on people close to me.
The problem with this 'theory' is just because you eat acid doesn't mean it goes in your veins and melts fat? I'm sorry but this is even more idiotic than the other post.

Your stomach has acid in it, it doesn't mean it just goes and melts fat in your arteries. The only thing I find apple cider vinegar is good for (health wise) is it aids in digestion.
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It's a cultural thing, I eat chicken and seafood but family is vegetarian. With Indian food there are tons of vegetarian options and don't miss out on eating meat at all. But do miss it for western food.
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qman23 wrote:
May 17th, 2017 4:22 pm
I hear you dude... at one point I didn't think there was anything I could eat that didn't cause one problem or another. The final straw for me was getting gout after being 100% vegetarian for a year, and being told it was too much purine in my diet. Turned out in my case that it was too much fruit, as fructose can cause uric acid levels to rise.
That experience of self diagnosis and subsequent recovery was the beginning of the end of my vegetarianism, and the start of questioning a lot of conventional wisdom about nutrition.
If you still have gout issues in spite of cutting out purines, I'd suggest looking into the fructose/gout connection.
Are you taking medicine? my grandma has gout, I got her prescription medicine that allows more purines to be eaten without having an attack. Some fruits are low in fructose ie. grapes. You can still enjoy some fruits in smaller quantities and other fruits without as much fructose.
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JustMe2016 wrote:
May 17th, 2017 5:23 pm
The proof is in the pudding! It was a "theory" until someone I know needed a stent. After 6 months of 2 ounces ACV per day, EVERY DAY, the clogged artery was no more clogged at all. No stent, no surgery at all! ACV also does wonder for the lungs. I'm also aware that it solved a medical condition for which modern medical science has no cure, but I won't get into it as it would require to reveal too many personal information. Overall, ACV (the good stuff - not the cheap one) can do wonder for one's general health.
so they ate the exact same, didn't change their diet or exercise and just added apple cider vinegar and then they were fine?
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JustMe2016 wrote:
May 17th, 2017 6:10 pm
Yep, absolutely! Someone I know needed a stent in his right arm, between the elbow and the shoulder. Due to his eating style, he managed to clog his artery. After about a month or two of drinking 2 ounces ACV (+ honey + hot water) per day, he started to feel a lot better with his arm. And after about 6 months, it was totally gone. I swear to you.

Another person had equally bad or worse eating habits and managed to clog an artery close to the heart in a very short period of time. But it was a totally different situation and it only took days to feel better and a few weeks for his condition to be totally gone.

I could also mentioned that a long time ago, ACV cured something for me for which modern medical science still doesn't have a cure. It is too personal and I won't provide any more info that that. Another time, due to some exposure to... I ended up having a serious problem with my lungs. I saw some of the best specialists (not always easy to see those guys...) and there was nothing they could do to solve this condition. They wanted me to use one of those thingy people with asthma use. I declined and instead went back on ACV and once again, it saved my bacon.

Drinking ACV every day is not the most pleasant thing to do. I did it for many, many years, but nowadays unless I'm in the mood, or there is a specific reason to take it, I don't drink it. Maybe once a week, when I feel like it.

The way to drink it is put one ounce or two in a cup, add honey to your personal taste and add boiling water. Drink it while it is warm. It works wonder (as far as the Omega Nutrition ACV is concerned - I can't speak for other brands as I never tried them. I went with the best the first time around).
So your claim is, by drinking apple cider vinegar

you can eat whatever you want, and not get LDL build up in the arteries?

LOL
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differing wrote:
May 15th, 2017 1:43 am
Most of my diet is vegetarian; I don't keep any meat at home and treat myself to it when I'm out with friends or family. I yearn for the day when we can decouple masculinity and meat eating in Canada; men would live healthier and longer lives as a result. I don't understand what is so macho about having a farmer you've never met raise a cow, have a slaughterhouse you've never seen murder it, and have a butcher you'd probably never talked to carve it up for you - if you're a hunter or a fisherman, then I totally get the cultural value in consuming it. If your entire identity as a male rests on spending a few bucks for a steak at Loblaws, then you've got a hell of an existential crisis coming down the tracks.

I love milk, but I've also started to incorporate more and more Soy milk into my diet. When I was a kid, I bought into that crap about Soy containing estrogens and hurting muscle growth... I wonder if people still believe that crap?
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JustMe2016 wrote:
May 17th, 2017 6:50 pm
Of course you can clog your arteries again if you eat stupidly, but then again you will have to take ACV to clear it up. One would think that one would be wise enough to learn his/her lesson the first time around...

Why don't you give a try and then you can talk from experience? Like I do.

I'm always impressed by people who review books without ever having read them. Or make claims about movies they have never watched. But you are not one of those, right? ;)
you just said that you don't have to change your diet? and the only changes your friends made was drinking apple cider vinegar

Correlation does not imply causation
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toronto19850 wrote:
May 17th, 2017 5:07 pm
Are you taking medicine? my grandma has gout, I got her prescription medicine that allows more purines to be eaten without having an attack. Some fruits are low in fructose ie. grapes. You can still enjoy some fruits in smaller quantities and other fruits without as much fructose.
no to the meds.
I had a lot of issues, some quite serious, that became progressively worse over time. The gout was just one more on a long list of other physical complaints.
Dr. wanted to put me on allopurinol for the gout and told me to cut back on red meat. (already V at this point)
After looking into potential causes and finding the fructose connection, I cut back on it the gout disappeared. So I fired my Dr., started researching things on my own. Over the next 2 years, all my health issues resolved completely. I now eat huge amounts of purines as part of my diet, with no gout. No illnesses of any kind. In the past 8 years I've had 2 minor colds and that's it.

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