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Can we have a mature discussion re vegetarianism/veganism?

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toronto19850 wrote:
May 17th, 2017 5:05 pm
The problem with this 'theory' is just because you eat acid doesn't mean it goes in your veins and melts fat? I'm sorry but this is even more idiotic than the other post.

Your stomach has acid in it, it doesn't mean it just goes and melts fat in your arteries. The only thing I find apple cider vinegar is good for (health wise) is it aids in digestion.
The proof is in the pudding! It was a "theory" until someone I know needed a stent. After 6 months of 2 ounces ACV per day, EVERY DAY, the clogged artery was no more clogged at all. No stent, no surgery at all! ACV also does wonder for the lungs. I'm also aware that it solved a medical condition for which modern medical science has no cure, but I won't get into it as it would require to reveal too many personal information. Overall, ACV (the good stuff - not the cheap one) can do wonder for one's general health.
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JustMe2016 wrote:
May 17th, 2017 5:23 pm
The proof is in the pudding! It was a "theory" until someone I know needed a stent. After 6 months of 2 ounces ACV per day, EVERY DAY, the clogged artery was no more clogged at all. No stent, no surgery at all! ACV also does wonder for the lungs. I'm also aware that it solved a medical condition for which modern medical science has no cure, but I won't get into it as it would require to reveal too many personal information. Overall, ACV (the good stuff - not the cheap one) can do wonder for one's general health.
so they ate the exact same, didn't change their diet or exercise and just added apple cider vinegar and then they were fine?
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toronto19850 wrote:
May 17th, 2017 5:41 pm
so they ate the exact same, didn't change their diet or exercise and just added apple cider vinegar and then they were fine?
Yep, absolutely! Someone I know needed a stent in his right arm, between the elbow and the shoulder. Due to his eating style, he managed to clog his artery. After about a month or two of drinking 2 ounces ACV (+ honey + hot water) per day, he started to feel a lot better with his arm. And after about 6 months, it was totally gone. I swear to you.

Another person had equally bad or worse eating habits and managed to clog an artery close to the heart in a very short period of time. But it was a totally different situation and it only took days to feel better and a few weeks for his condition to be totally gone.

I could also mentioned that a long time ago, ACV cured something for me for which modern medical science still doesn't have a cure. It is too personal and I won't provide any more info that that. Another time, due to some exposure to... I ended up having a serious problem with my lungs. I saw some of the best specialists (not always easy to see those guys...) and there was nothing they could do to solve this condition. They wanted me to use one of those thingy people with asthma use. I declined and instead went back on ACV and once again, it saved my bacon.

Drinking ACV every day is not the most pleasant thing to do. I did it for many, many years, but nowadays unless I'm in the mood, or there is a specific reason to take it, I don't drink it. Maybe once a week, when I feel like it.

The way to drink it is put one ounce or two in a cup, add honey to your personal taste and add boiling water. Drink it while it is warm. It works wonder (as far as the Omega Nutrition ACV is concerned - I can't speak for other brands as I never tried them. I went with the best the first time around).
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JustMe2016 wrote:
May 17th, 2017 6:10 pm
Yep, absolutely! Someone I know needed a stent in his right arm, between the elbow and the shoulder. Due to his eating style, he managed to clog his artery. After about a month or two of drinking 2 ounces ACV (+ honey + hot water) per day, he started to feel a lot better with his arm. And after about 6 months, it was totally gone. I swear to you.

Another person had equally bad or worse eating habits and managed to clog an artery close to the heart in a very short period of time. But it was a totally different situation and it only took days to feel better and a few weeks for his condition to be totally gone.

I could also mentioned that a long time ago, ACV cured something for me for which modern medical science still doesn't have a cure. It is too personal and I won't provide any more info that that. Another time, due to some exposure to... I ended up having a serious problem with my lungs. I saw some of the best specialists (not always easy to see those guys...) and there was nothing they could do to solve this condition. They wanted me to use one of those thingy people with asthma use. I declined and instead went back on ACV and once again, it saved my bacon.

Drinking ACV every day is not the most pleasant thing to do. I did it for many, many years, but nowadays unless I'm in the mood, or there is a specific reason to take it, I don't drink it. Maybe once a week, when I feel like it.

The way to drink it is put one ounce or two in a cup, add honey to your personal taste and add boiling water. Drink it while it is warm. It works wonder (as far as the Omega Nutrition ACV is concerned - I can't speak for other brands as I never tried them. I went with the best the first time around).
So your claim is, by drinking apple cider vinegar

you can eat whatever you want, and not get LDL build up in the arteries?

LOL
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toronto19850 wrote:
May 17th, 2017 6:31 pm
So your claim is, by drinking apple cider vinegar

you can eat whatever you want, and not get LDL build up in the arteries?

LOL
Of course you can clog your arteries again if you eat stupidly, but then again you will have to take ACV to clear it up. One would think that one would be wise enough to learn his/her lesson the first time around...

Why don't you give a try and then you can talk from experience? Like I do.

I'm always impressed by people who review books without ever having read them. Or make claims about movies they have never watched. But you are not one of those, right? ;)
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differing wrote:
May 15th, 2017 1:43 am
Most of my diet is vegetarian; I don't keep any meat at home and treat myself to it when I'm out with friends or family. I yearn for the day when we can decouple masculinity and meat eating in Canada; men would live healthier and longer lives as a result. I don't understand what is so macho about having a farmer you've never met raise a cow, have a slaughterhouse you've never seen murder it, and have a butcher you'd probably never talked to carve it up for you - if you're a hunter or a fisherman, then I totally get the cultural value in consuming it. If your entire identity as a male rests on spending a few bucks for a steak at Loblaws, then you've got a hell of an existential crisis coming down the tracks.

I love milk, but I've also started to incorporate more and more Soy milk into my diet. When I was a kid, I bought into that crap about Soy containing estrogens and hurting muscle growth... I wonder if people still believe that crap?
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JustMe2016 wrote:
May 17th, 2017 6:50 pm
Of course you can clog your arteries again if you eat stupidly, but then again you will have to take ACV to clear it up. One would think that one would be wise enough to learn his/her lesson the first time around...

Why don't you give a try and then you can talk from experience? Like I do.

I'm always impressed by people who review books without ever having read them. Or make claims about movies they have never watched. But you are not one of those, right? ;)
you just said that you don't have to change your diet? and the only changes your friends made was drinking apple cider vinegar

Correlation does not imply causation
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toronto19850 wrote:
May 17th, 2017 5:07 pm
Are you taking medicine? my grandma has gout, I got her prescription medicine that allows more purines to be eaten without having an attack. Some fruits are low in fructose ie. grapes. You can still enjoy some fruits in smaller quantities and other fruits without as much fructose.
no to the meds.
I had a lot of issues, some quite serious, that became progressively worse over time. The gout was just one more on a long list of other physical complaints.
Dr. wanted to put me on allopurinol for the gout and told me to cut back on red meat. (already V at this point)
After looking into potential causes and finding the fructose connection, I cut back on it the gout disappeared. So I fired my Dr., started researching things on my own. Over the next 2 years, all my health issues resolved completely. I now eat huge amounts of purines as part of my diet, with no gout. No illnesses of any kind. In the past 8 years I've had 2 minor colds and that's it.
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For a number of years now, I've put either apple cider vinegar or balsamic vinegar on my salad instead of oil, but I don't think in terms of the apple cider helping protect me from Canada's number one killer, heart disease. More than likely it's the salad greens. No guarantees of course.
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qman23 wrote:
May 17th, 2017 4:22 pm
I hear you dude... at one point I didn't think there was anything I could eat that didn't cause one problem or another. The final straw for me was getting gout after being 100% vegetarian for a year, and being told it was too much purine in my diet. Turned out in my case that it was too much fruit, as fructose can cause uric acid levels to rise.
That experience of self diagnosis and subsequent recovery was the beginning of the end of my vegetarianism, and the start of questioning a lot of conventional wisdom about nutrition.
If you still have gout issues in spite of cutting out purines, I'd suggest looking into the fructose/gout connection.
Thanks qman23, I've never heard of this before. I'll do some research on this fructose gout connection. Worst case, it does nothing for me. Best case, it helps. Nothing lost to look it up.
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qman23 wrote:
May 18th, 2017 8:03 am
no to the meds.
I had a lot of issues, some quite serious, that became progressively worse over time. The gout was just one more on a long list of other physical complaints.
Dr. wanted to put me on allopurinol for the gout and told me to cut back on red meat. (already V at this point)
After looking into potential causes and finding the fructose connection, I cut back on it the gout disappeared. So I fired my Dr., started researching things on my own. Over the next 2 years, all my health issues resolved completely. I now eat huge amounts of purines as part of my diet, with no gout. No illnesses of any kind. In the past 8 years I've had 2 minor colds and that's it.
Wait you had gout and it disappeared from cutting out fructose?
I don't have gout so I haven't been reading on it, but my Grandma has it and I knew that fructose was a trigger for gout attacks. That's why I read the ingredients list on things she eats and don't let her eat things with high fructose corn syrup. It's also labeled as glucose-fructose.
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yeah, It was pretty apparent for me.
I had been keeping a food journal, systematically went back over eating changes I'd made just prior to getting gout.

Fructose is in a lot of things.
As you know high fructose corn syrup is 55%fructose and 45% glucose,
but even table sugar, (sucrose) which is added to everything it seems, is 50% fructose.
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Stryker wrote:
May 18th, 2017 8:41 am
For a number of years now, I've put either apple cider vinegar or balsamic vinegar on my salad instead of oil, but I don't think in terms of the apple cider helping protect me from Canada's number one killer, heart disease. More than likely it's the salad greens. No guarantees of course.
why no oil? are you getting the fats elsewhere in your meal with that salad? if not, you're losing out on a lot of the vitamins.
i haven't bought bottled salad dressing in ages. i usually make a dressing including raw red wine vinegar/ raw apple cider vinegar/ balsamic, and evoo.
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ShoNuff2 wrote:
May 18th, 2017 1:45 pm
why no oil? are you getting the fats elsewhere in your meal with that salad? if not, you're losing out on a lot of the vitamins.
i haven't bought bottled salad dressing in ages. i usually make a dressing including raw red wine vinegar/ raw apple cider vinegar/ balsamic, and evoo.
I get enough fat from other foods. I don't like oil on salads.
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Stryker wrote:
May 18th, 2017 2:41 pm
I get enough fat from other foods. I don't like oil on salads.
as long as you're eating those other fat containing foods in the same meal as the salad it should be adequate. it doesn't necessary have to be oil either. the fat in avocados, nuts, cheese, etc will greatly increase the bio-availability of nutrients in your salad.
Good, better, best. Never let it rest. 'Til your good is better and your better is best.
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