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Canadians rather work and live in USA than coming back to Canada

By: Michael Oliveira The Canadian Press Published on Thu Apr 05 2018
When Ron Piovesan moved from Toronto to the United States for work in 2001 he never considered the country's gun culture as a reason to stay home.

It was only after he had kids that the relentless headlines about gun violence — like the recent school shooting in Parkland, Fla., that left 17 students dead and this week's incident at YouTube's headquarters in San Bruno, Calif. — really started to weigh on him.

"These things add up, and I don't know what the tipping point is, but you get to a point where you think, 'I don't want my kids to be scared anymore,'" says the father of two, choking up as he describes how his children have experienced frightening lockdown drills at their elementary school.

"It hits you in a much deeper place and a much more profound place when you have kids who are actually in school — and then that problem becomes a lot more real to you."

Still, the 46-year-old tech executive isn't planning to uproot his family and return to Canada.

"For the moment, I'm choosing to stay and try to make a difference in my community," says Piovesan, who led a successful campaign last year to stop a gun store from opening in San Carlos, Calif., where he lives.

It's a sentiment shared by attorney Dawn Robertson, who moved with her family to San Francisco just over four years ago when her husband Mike Beltzner was hired to work for Pinterest and more recently Facebook.

They have not considered moving back to where they previously lived in Toronto
, but have become increasingly distressed by the prevalence of shootings in the U.S.

"It's one of those things that even when it happens you still feel like it can't happen to you," says Robertson, 41. "But I think certainly since Parkland and most recently with YouTube being close to us, we're increasingly concerned — as people who can't vote here — that we've got a major public safety issue living here that is suddenly certainly a concern for us and for our children.

"It does weigh quite heavily on us. It's not enough to make us turn around and move but certainly it's something that does give us pause."

Zoe Kevork, an immigration lawyer and co-president of the Southern California chapter of Canadians Abroad, says gun culture is something that's frequently overlooked when Canadians consider a move south.

"People do think of us as being so similar ... we're right across the border, we watch all the same television, we have so many things in common culturally," says Kevork.

"But you really start to realize there are some significant cultural differences which you probably didn't expect when you made the move down here."

Kevork, who has lived in the U.S. for 14 years, says she's still shocked when a mass shooting makes the news, but finds Americans are no longer as shaken as they once were.

"I'm happy I still get shocked by it because they're so acclimatized to it here, it's just a part of life. The ability to be shocked I think is what makes us Canadian right now," she says.

"We're a lot more attuned these days to the things that differentiate us as Canadians, whether that's the gun culture, whether that's our treatment of refugees or treatment of immigrants generally."

Piovesan says he wouldn't be surprised if some of the Canadians taking advantage of the great opportunities in Silicon Valley and elsewhere in the U.S., do start to reconsider their options at home.

"I do think where a lot of people thought, 'Oh I'm never going to move back,' I do think as things appear to get progressively worse in the United States there will be a tipping point for many people where people think it's not worth it anymore."
http://www.metronews.ca/life/2018/04/05 ... oting.html

Doesn't this tell you something? These people are all naturalized Americans, I suppose, with USA citizenship and passport.
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sdgundam wrote:
Apr 5th, 2018 6:02 am
http://www.metronews.ca/life/2018/04/05 ... oting.html

Doesn't this tell you something? These people are all naturalized Americans, I suppose, with USA citizenship and passport.
No, I really have no idea what point you’re trying to make. If you have higher level education like an engineering degree or a law degree your life will simply be better in the United States. I don’t know who would argue that point.

Regarding guns, Canada has far more guns than you think. We just don’t have the cultural problems.
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Sparky9087 wrote:
Apr 5th, 2018 7:38 am
No, I really have no idea what point you’re trying to make. If you have higher level education like an engineering degree or a law degree your life will simply be better in the United States. I don’t know who would argue that point.

Regarding guns, Canada has far more guns than you think. We just don’t have the cultural problems.
+1 this..
if they felt so much in danger..they would move elsewhere...but obviously money trumps their children's safety?...gimme a break...they are just media whores..sensationalism...one could make a similar story about jane/finch, and sensationalize it...whats the point....if they told me they were coming back to Canada, taking a ay cut for the safety and security of their children...maybe I might be impressed or empathetic..but otherwise, I am reading about entitled soccer mom/dad..that has comments on american life that sits just right for "sensationalism journalism"....must be hard up for stories or they know the minions will eat this up....not fake news ..but really not any news
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Sparky9087 wrote:
Apr 5th, 2018 7:38 am
No, I really have no idea what point you’re trying to make. If you have higher level education like an engineering degree or a law degree your life will simply be better in the United States. I don’t know who would argue that point.

Regarding guns, Canada has far more guns than you think. We just don’t have the cultural problems.
Everyone I know who has lived in the US says life in Canada is WAY better. So, yes, many argue that point.
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Pretty much money and weather is keeping these people down there. Im sure the fact that Toronto housing is insane also plays that part in the money and not just taxes/income etc.
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Maybe they just come back a few times to use our Health care system?
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It tells me money is more enticing
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That's exactly why we need to get 1 million immigrants from overseas to cover the short of labor in Canada!

I would like to see more people leaving, and empty the spot for more immigrants.
sdgundam wrote:
Apr 5th, 2018 6:02 am
http://www.metronews.ca/life/2018/04/05 ... oting.html

Doesn't this tell you something? These people are all naturalized Americans, I suppose, with USA citizenship and passport.
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If I could get a good paying job in the states with top notch medical insurance, I would gladly move to the US. I truly hate the weather in this country. I do ski and ice fish just to pass the time, but I don't enjoy winter at all. US simply has far more to offer. I find Canada to be a boring, stale country. But moving there isn't an option for me, so I'll continue to hate winter until the day I retire, then I'll be wintering in the US.
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Sparky9087 wrote:
Apr 5th, 2018 7:38 am
If you have higher level education like an engineering degree or a law degree your life will simply be better in the United States. I don’t know who would argue that point.
It's easy to argue because all you offered is a gross (read "misleading") generalization and it's not that simple. Single or married? Both working or not? Kids or not and how many? If your single sure, go ahead, but otherwise? Be careful what you wish for because it's far from a given that you'd better off in the US.
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Not sure why the obvious deserves a column. The odds of being killed by a gun in America are very low, less than dying by choking. The odds of dying in a school shooting many times lower. Not a good reason to uproot yourself.
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Shaner wrote:
Apr 5th, 2018 11:07 am
If I could get a good paying job in the states with top notch medical insurance, I would gladly move to the US. I truly hate the weather in this country. I do ski and ice fish just to pass the time, but I don't enjoy winter at all. US simply has far more to offer. I find Canada to be a boring, stale country. But moving there isn't an option for me, so I'll continue to hate winter until the day I retire, then I'll be wintering in the US.
I was okay with Canadian weather until this past January. A corner window + months on end of staring at grey, miserable weather, cold, and very little sunlight takes its toll. A job in Hawaii, Nevada, or California would keep me going year round.
Could HAVE, not could OF. What does 'could of' even mean?
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dsg512 wrote:
Apr 5th, 2018 5:04 pm
Not sure why the obvious deserves a column. The odds of being killed by a gun in America are very low, less than dying by choking. The odds of dying in a school shooting many times lower. Not a good reason to uproot yourself.
I think it may be more than just those odds. I walk out my door to work everyday and the thought of possibly being shot or threatened with a gun just isn't part of my world. That would wear.
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dsg512 wrote:
Apr 5th, 2018 5:04 pm
Not sure why the obvious deserves a column. The odds of being killed by a gun in America are very low, less than dying by choking. The odds of dying in a school shooting many times lower. Not a good reason to uproot yourself.
Its actual lower than maybe you think when you break it down.

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