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Can't believe the state of our Health Care in Canada. Behind 3rd World countries!

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Can't believe the state of our Health Care in Canada. Behind 3rd World countries!

I have relatives and friends in dozens of countries. I've also traveled to dozens of different countries and had to use doctors in a few of them and NEVER was I treated so poorly or in such manner as I do in Canada.
Getting appointment to see a doctor( not family doctor but say gynecologist, dermatologist, cancer issues,etc) in Canada is typically 2-6 months. Just to SEE the doctor then many months before an actual surgery or treatment. In most countries you can see a doctor in 0-5 days and have a surgery in 3-14 days!!! In some of those countries it's free, while in others there's a payment, but typically it's not that big and it can be free for elders or those who have no money.

Unbelievable, you can be dying, bleeding and they won't see you in Canada for months - and this is our state of "free health care". The system is broken and we are far behind a lot of those countries. Reading reviews for these doctors leave you thinking that they are all incompetent as well. I've certainly met plenty of those here from family physicians to doctors.
So many are just not very good and I do have numerous( as in dozens) examples where my relatives here were misdiagnosed or given improper treatment.
Heck, just recently, a doctor was trying to convince a close relative that she does NOT have a fractured knee. I was there and had to intervene and told that doctor that he is wrong, based on the pain and movement of the leg and to do another X-ray OR give treatment as if she does have a fracture. The doctor agreed to do the x-ray and, behold, finally saw the fracture. Unbelievable! They were ready to send the poor elderly woman home with a broken knee!!!

A friend of mine flew to another country to do all of his cancel treatments as he was told it will take up to 6 months here and he decided to save his life by doing it. He had a surgery 2 weeks after he arrived there and apparently the fee cheaper than what he would pay here since our "free health care" is NOT entirely free!!!

A relative recently needed to see a gynecologist to do a surgery. All appointments were 2-5 months away. Nobody, including 3 hospitals cared that the surgery would need to be done asap and she was told up to 5 months before a surgery. Follow up appointments apparently were with 40+ days wait time so she could not even do it here!!! Thankfully, another relative told her to fly to Europe and this saved her.
She flew to her own country in Europe and had the surgery within a week of arrival there for less than $500 all in + flight, stayed another 3 weeks to do the 2 follow up visits and then just arrived 2 days ago back here healthy. She needs another follow up visit eventually just as a check up and apparently just got one in mid October...

I can go on and on,but these are just few examples of our dumb health system where patients die before they get treatments. I rather pay and live!!
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Healthcare here varies by location. In BC, we pay premiums, for some reason.
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Ya, its terrible here in Ontario. Its a major stressful time dealing with the system. They really don't seem to care unless you persist.
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One problem here is that fees paid to medical staff can't be reduced or at least growth curtailed as it is too easy to lose MDs to the U.S. (until/if the U.S. ever adopts a single-payer system). Hospitals in my area pay GPs (not specialists) something like $300,000 p.a. (and these GPs are employees so have no expense to carry unlike a GP who operates a practce - which is probably why retiring GPs can't even give away their practices). Probably isn't as easy for MDs in other countries to move.
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Seeing patients on beds in hospital hallways is sad.
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cheapmeister wrote:
Aug 1st, 2019 8:23 pm
Seeing patients on beds in hospital hallways is sad.
At least the are getting treated. I rather be there in a hallway than not getting any treatment at all. And that's the problem. A line up everywhere. last time I broke an arm, I waited 6 hours in the emergency room. Another guy was bleeding from his head and he was ahead of me. They gave him gauze to hold and left him there for nearly 6 hours as well for his turn - and that's not acceptable.
Clearly our system is broken so something has to be done and more and more are willing to pay in order to get a treatment instead of being pushed into long waiting lists.

4 who negged the post clearly have never been in a hospital nor know anyone, otherwise they would be able to be adults and carry and adult conversation and probably would have agreed...
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My 84 year old Father fell in the kitchen against the counter, ambulance took him to Scarborough Grace, 7.5 hours wait before they took him into x-ray - left him bleeding with me rushing to the washroom to get paper to wipe the blood off his face and head. Some thug came in with the police with a small stab and got immediate treatment. Waited till next morning before we got a bed in the hallway. ER attendants were laughing at some elderly man who struggled with speaking English until his family came. Was freezing cold in the winter and a disabled woman in the next room was left the whole night without a blanket. We were told to bring our own pillows because they ran out. Nurses looked right through desperate patients and family members like they didn't exist.
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The system is broken in so many ways. People who can't advocate for themselves or don't have anyone to advocate on their behalf likely have it the worst.

And now Ford is at the wheel, promising to improve healthcare and end 'hallway medicine', as we continue to head towards doom :facepalm:
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Someone should bring this up to CITYNEWS.

WOULD SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!
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So go seek health care in the third world then.
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hi-tech wrote:
Aug 2nd, 2019 9:29 am
So go seek health care in the third world then.
We pay for the health care with our high taxes and levies. This is not free health care. It is a controlled health care system where they take your money and decide where to spend it, not necessary for your good.
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Maybe I being lucky here in Ontario but in more than 2 decades living in Ontario I am mostly happy with the health system.

I love my family doctor, the guy is great and never have a problem sending me to see a specialist if I need it. Also have great experience with the specialists.

Labs test ? No problem , x rays, ultrasounds, blood test, electro cardiogram are made and one week later my family doctor is calling me to read the results.

My wife's OB was great, my daughter's pediatrician is amazing good with kids. The only bad thing is little hard to get an appointment as she travels a lot and is really really hard to find a pediatrician open to see new patients here in Ontario.

Going to ER it all depends of the day and really how bad /sick you are, this is why you get assess at the beggining
Being in sick kids hospital couple of times and the experience was great.

My wife and sister in law have both diagnosed with cancer and both of them got exams, diagnosed, surgeries and treatment in around one or two months after diagnosed.

I was snoring a lot, got a sleep test (staying one night at the sleep clinic) got diagnosed with sleep apnea and the OHIP covers 75% of the cpap machine.

Yes we did have problems in the past like one New year eve at Stoufville Hospital we have to go to ER because our newborn was feeling ill, we got a very bad doctor who did not even have experience with newborns and when we tried to leave and go to sick kids hospital one nurse treated us to call the police and retain our daughter because we need to be discharged by that bad doctor. We did complained with management (almost lawyers involved) and well they did apologized and did amendments....all good.

Overall maybe we being lucky with the health system as we heard really bad things about it from couple of friends, like getting test results mix up with another patient, doctors who dont want to send patient to the specialists, long waiting time at the ER, etc.

OP behind third World Countries? ....coming from one of them I laugh HARD at this statement.

Yes OHIP is not perfect but is no way behind third countries.....and is free.
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As a generalization, I thought that u get good treatment in the Third World if they perceive u as having money, and treat the poor ppl with disrespect and shabby medical care.
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