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Cap-and-Trade will add 4.3C/L to gas prices

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Archanfel wrote:
Jan 4th, 2017 1:05 pm
Well, I have no problem with it other on principle (I am against big government, but protecting the environment is actually something I don't think private market can solve). Hopefully it will decrease the number of people who drives (if it's really that much a burden as critics say it is), then I would have fewer people to share the road with. My Prius uses about 4.5L/100km, say 20,000km/year, that's 900 liters or $38.7/year. Nothing really.

As for business cost, whatever is passed on to me is probably even less.

As I said, if this was a consumption tax with a corresponding income tax cut, I would have probably come out ahead.
Actually the cost passed by businesses will be even more -- they aren't cutting into their profits...
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I want to see each of these moron politicians take public transit like they advocate -- all talk bs talk talk talk talk talk... just increase taxes but now they try to pass it off as "good tax" and idiots eat it up.

This is why they aren't breaking down the carbon tax on bills or at the pumps... MORONS!
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gh05t wrote:
Jan 4th, 2017 1:52 pm
At the end of the day it's a tax that you may or may not pay directly.
You have the choice to own a car and the operating expenses that come with it or not.
I think it's those who can barely afford a car but still own one that will most feel it, complain etc.
For those who can afford a large a mansion out in the 905 and trek into Toronto etc in a large gas guzzling SUV, it becomes more of progressive tax.
Eventually, those on the fringe of affording a vehicle may resort to alternatives like public transit which will help the environment.
It will ease traffic for those who can still afford to own a car and even improve their gas mileage with less stop and go traffic.
Indirectly we will all pay whether we drive or not as the costs are passed on to consumers.
But you probably realise at the same time that none of what you said is going to happen.

Everyone will still drive, everyone will still buy vehicles they THINK they can afford but can't and then complain and keep trying to make petitions to boycott x gas station etc etc when the gas prices go up.

The increased cost sucks for drivers yes but it will also make anything directly affected go up in cost as well, as has been mentioned here already. such as groceries would be one example.


I wouldn't mind the increased cost in gas (for a full tank it doesn't amount to that much more, maybe $4-$6 per tank, and I fill my 'mid sized gas guzzing cuv (V6 engine) once every 2-3 weeks. The reason I think it's ridiculous is not because of cost, but because I (as well as many others) can almost guarantee that the money made from this 'tax' will not be used for what it's supposed to be used for.
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apnayloags wrote:
Jan 4th, 2017 9:11 pm
Price at the pumps now 116.9cents per litre for regular.......
Just bought it tonight at $1.039 for reg.
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Sanyo wrote:
Jan 4th, 2017 9:14 pm
Actually the cost passed by businesses will be even more -- they aren't cutting into their profits...
No, but they also don't use nearly as much gas as we do per capita. It's like the buses. They are far more inefficient comparing to my Prius, but they are far more efficient per capita since they normally carry far more people.
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why start another thread on this damn issue???? There are at least 3 threads about wynne using the money for her personal benefits ...
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AV-Fishing wrote:
Jan 5th, 2017 11:00 pm
why start another thread on this damn issue???? There are at least 3 threads about wynne using the money for her personal benefits ...
It can never be hammered too many times.

Government is sickening. Theft!
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I feel bad for those that require 91 fuel ...
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george__ wrote:
Jan 6th, 2017 1:17 am
I feel bad for those that require 91 fuel ...
You should also feel bad for those who use premium for all show.
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george__ wrote:
Jan 6th, 2017 1:17 am
I feel bad for those that require 91 fuel ...
Bought 91 for $1.22 last week. Bought it for $1.26 this week. Carbon tax paid.

Before the $1.26, I had pulled up to another station. When I saw $1.14 on their pump for regular, but $1.37 for 91, I laughed and went to the next station ($1.11 regular, $1.26 91).

Some places just gouge more than others.
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george__ wrote:
Jan 6th, 2017 1:17 am
I feel bad for those that require 91 fuel ...
Almost picked up the turbo Forester. They all said, don't look at miles per gallon, look at the smiles per gallon.

Not sure my smile would have been that big.
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received my natural gas bill today, Cap and trade is 3.5647 cents/m3 plus HST of course!!
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Archanfel wrote:
Jan 5th, 2017 8:19 am
No, but they also don't use nearly as much gas as we do per capita. It's like the buses. They are far more inefficient comparing to my Prius, but they are far more efficient per capita since they normally carry far more people.
Big business will do everything to increase prices... its just the nature of the game and the gov't give them every incentive to do it... carbon tax is really just an increase in tax, Ontario has not been transparent in how they will use the money and show how much they collect - so we all know its a damn scam to bring in more money -- they pass it off as a "good tax" to fool people who think its going to go towards something good -- its really just to keep up with the crazy spending.

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