Car Dealers and Secret Hidden add ons.

[mxz600]

I was in Honda today for another attempt to get closer to the 28,800 that some have got for an LX AWD 09 CRV.

The salesman balked at the thought of selling at that price, he said they need to make 1000 on the vehicle to justify there existance. Fair enough.

So im looking at the quote....

with 5000 off, the vehicle is 30,868 on the road, thats alot more than the 28,800 price. So i ask him whats up, it should be a thousand more, so $29,800.

He then told me that they charge 380 for winter and summer mats, rear cargo floor tray and mud flaps...!!!!

So i go home and build it online, it turns out they are charging an extra 600 for those usless items.

Are my calculations right? shouldn't i expect to get the vehicle for the same price as i build online?

[mxz600]

another example is Nissan, they charge 350 for this security feature that has the serial numbers all over the cars parts that only a black light will show. Who cares!

I was at saturn and they have 400 dollars admin fee! WTF!

Last year I was at Mitsubishi and they charge 1500 dollars on all vehicles for the "free ride" free oil changes, wipers for as long as you own the rig.

But at least some show these add ons, others like Honda just include it in the price and don't show it in the breakdown of the costs.

[stuntman]

Dealers can sell the car for whatever price they want.

Search here on the forums on how to get a good/fair deal on the purchase and shop elsewhere.

On the Toyota site the price calculator says it includes admin fees....I bet some dealers still charge those or make like they are giving it away for free in lieu of a price discount.

stuntman

[gilboman]

I was in Honda today for another attempt to get closer to the 28,800 that some have got for an LX AWD 09 CRV.

The salesman balked at the thought of selling at that price, he said they need to make 1000 on the vehicle to justify there existance. Fair enough.

So im looking at the quote....

with 5000 off, the vehicle is 30,868 on the road, thats alot more than the 28,800 price. So i ask him whats up, it should be a thousand more, so $29,800.

He then told me that they charge 380 for winter and summer mats, rear cargo floor tray and mud flaps...!!!!

So i go home and build it online, it turns out they are charging an extra 600 for those usless items.

Are my calculations right? shouldn't i expect to get the vehicle for the same price as i build online?

NO, why would you expect that? dealers can sell at whatever price they want, what you get online is just MSRP...notice the S stands for SUGGESTED.

[boyoflondon]

another example is Nissan, they charge 350 for this security feature that has the serial numbers all over the cars parts that only a black light will show. Who cares!

What kind of 'security feature' is that?


My 10 year old Honda has its VIN everywhere ...

[Hunter316]

I have always found it better to start off with the absolute base model and build it up from there so that you can see exactly what is being charged for each upgrade and it makes it easier to question each price increase. The charge that gets me is the destination charge since I don't think I have the option of picking the vehicle up myself from the factory.

[PMM1]

Hi

What kind of 'security feature' is that?


My 10 year old Honda has its VIN everywhere ...

Window etching and other locations.

PMM

[zivan56]

Yeah Lexus does the same with the serial numbers. I told them I have insurance to cover theft of parts and couldn't care less (and that they should remove it). They then just took the cost off.
Also, they wanted to charge me to brand the car...why the hell would I pay to advertise the dealer and to ruin the look of the car? They also took that off. So just tell them you have no need for it, and are not interested in paying for it...you just want this car for the price, and if they can't match it, you are leaving (and leave right away).

[RobDek]

To keep it simple...always negotiate the final out the door price...don't get bogged and confused with all this add-on nonsense. Just remember that it's a two-way street...the store has to make a few bucks...

[Impreza]

In Ottawa, the honest dealer will sell 09 Honda LX CRV AWD for $29,400 on the road after all discounts, including dealer's own discount over $1,500 off as they eager to sell.

[Jon Lai]

another example is Nissan, they charge 350 for this security feature that has the serial numbers all over the cars parts that only a black light will show. Who cares!

That's actually to prevent your windshield from being stolen... Toyota only charged something like $50 though so I paid for it.

[SPACEMANRICK]

That's actually to prevent your windshield from being stolen... Toyota only charged something like $50 though so I paid for it.

How often are windshields ever stolen and why does it cost $50 to spend 1 minute putting a serial number on it?........just another way for the dealer to increase his profit.

I guess it does help other redflaggers get a a better deal because the dealer has to make his profit somewhere and better off someone else than me

[Jon Lai]

How often are windshields ever stolen and why does it cost $50 to spend 1 minute putting a serial number on it?........just another way for the dealer to increase his profit.

I guess it does help other redflaggers get a a better deal because the dealer has to make his profit somewhere and better off someone else than me

The serial number is lasered onto the glass, not etched or anything, which is why it costs some money.

The idea was, or at least what the salesmen told me, was that theives like to steal certain parts and put it onto stolen cars to be sold to the public again. If these parts were laser engraved the buyer would know the car was stolen and the police can track down who the parts and what car it belonged to.

[gilboman]

How often are windshields ever stolen and why does it cost $50 to spend 1 minute putting a serial number on it?........just another way for the dealer to increase his profit.

I guess it does help other redflaggers get a a better deal because the dealer has to make his profit somewhere and better off someone else than me

why don't you build your own car? a dealer is there to make a profit, otherwise, there would be no dealer for you to buy the car and you'd really have to build your own

[SPACEMANRICK]

why don't you build your own car? a dealer is there to make a profit, otherwise, there would be no dealer for you to buy the car and you'd really have to build your own

Do you mean I shouldn't have turned down the $500 dealer installed Kryptonite bumper protector?

I guess you didn't read the second paragraph of my original response