Considering the continuous crowds at the subway McDonalds and only the sound of crickets in the Yonge/St Clair Carl Jrs location, I'd say that McDonalds was smart to save their advertising dollars.playnicee1 wrote: ↑BTW, St. Clair subway station was SMOTHERED in ads for Carl's Jr. even though McDonald's is right there, just upstairs inside the station.
Geez, McDonald's must have been Pissed. lol
It surprises me that McDonald's didn't think to buy up all the ad space downstairs in the Subway so Carl's wouldn't be able to.
Carl’s Jr restaurants expanding to GTA | Toronto locations closing
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Carl's was far from having crickets. Coupons also helped.GenerationE wrote: ↑Considering the continuous crowds at the subway McDonalds and only the sound of crickets in the Yonge/St Clair Carl Jrs location, I'd say that McDonalds was smart to save their advertising dollars.
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Went to the St Clair location twice last year for dinner. Both times it was basically just me and a couple other people in the restaurant. Wish it weren't so because although they were very expensive, the food tasted great and they had amazing milkshakes. I hope they come back soon.playnicee1 wrote: ↑Carl's was far from having crickets. Coupons also helped.
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It's better that Carl's find individual franchisees instead of one who can open so many at once... most fast food companies are going the route of finding one big company to handle a territory but personally better to just find several who can open... if they consider this option I even have a business partner who would consider opening one.
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Great!Sanyo wrote: ↑It's better that Carl's find individual franchisees instead of one who can open so many at once... most fast food companies are going the route of finding one big company to handle a territory but personally better to just find several who can open... if they consider this option I even have a business partner who would consider opening one.
Don't forget to have a private budget to run billboard ads etc to promote the business. Carl's themselves sure won't.
You might also want to consider a new location for less than $60/sqft...similar in size to either the queen st. or St. Clair & Yonge location. (depending on whether you wish to only be in the burger business, or maximize to include milkshakes etc.)
Good Luck!!
BTW, @ the St. Clair & Yonge location, as of this March, there is a fresh new notice confirming that the Carl's lease is terminated. (vs previous notice of distress & rent owing)
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You are certainly keeping a close eye on the Carl's Jr developments!playnicee1 wrote: ↑BTW, @ the St. Clair & Yonge location, as of this March, there is a fresh new notice confirming that the Carl's lease is terminated. (vs previous notice of distress & rent owing)
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I hope they eventually come back. I have another $11.15 to go to get a bonus $5 on their app!
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Even if 6 points hadn't closed down all their stores you still would've been able to open up a Franchise, as they didn't have exclusive rights. So you can basically open up one now if you wanted. Having said that i personally wouldn't, as there are better businesses to spend $1 million on.Sanyo wrote: ↑It's better that Carl's find individual franchisees instead of one who can open so many at once... most fast food companies are going the route of finding one big company to handle a territory but personally better to just find several who can open... if they consider this option I even have a business partner who would consider opening one.
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Every investment has it's own unique complications no matter what you do. Carl's jr. is still a good investment, but like I said already, just make sure there is an extra budget for billboard advertising because head office won't pay for any advertising in Canada, even though they really should.Get-a-fix wrote: ↑Even if 6 points hadn't closed down all their stores you still would've been able to open up a Franchise, as they didn't have exclusive rights. So you can basically open up one now if you wanted. Having said that i personally wouldn't, as there are better businesses to spend $1 million on.
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How do you know this? The restaurants were empty most of the time. Why don't you invest since you love it so much?playnicee1 wrote: ↑Every investment has it's own unique complications no matter what you do. Carl's jr. is still a good investment, but like I said already, just make sure there is an extra budget for billboard advertising because head office won't pay for any advertising in Canada, even though they really should.
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Empty is a relative term.LNahid2000 wrote: ↑How do you know this? The restaurants were empty most of the time.
The Queen street location includes customers that got their milkshake to go (in the summer)
The Yonge & St. Clair location did look busy at times.
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I don't think people getting milkshakes for $2 to go on a Tuesday were making them any money. If you think it's such a good investment, put your money where your mouth is.playnicee1 wrote: ↑Empty is a relative term.
The Queen street location includes customers that got their milkshake to go (in the summer)
The Yonge & St. Clair location did look busy at times.
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Who said anything about Tuesdays? Tuesdays are when it was CRAZY busy. I only said busy.LNahid2000 wrote: ↑I don't think people getting milkshakes for $2 to go on a Tuesday were making them any money. If you think it's such a good investment, put your money where your mouth is.
Maybe drag a Toronto star writer into this and see if she'll invest? ("Sourced exclusive") http://www.thestar.com/life/sourced/201 ... urced.html
(and yes, it could have been done for $3.99 instead of $4.59, making it more profitable because they would have sold more.)
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I did. And it wasn't even that busy on Tuesdays.playnicee1 wrote: ↑Who said anything about Tuesdays? Tuesdays are when it was CRAZY busy. I only said busy.
Maybe drag a Toronto star writer into this and see if she'll invest? ("Sourced exclusive") http://www.thestar.com/life/sourced/201 ... urced.html
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Right, because as usual you know everything about every fast food company's finances.playnicee1 wrote: ↑
(and yes, it could have been done for $3.99 instead of $4.59, making it more profitable because they would have sold more.)
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Yes it was.LNahid2000 wrote: ↑I did. And it wasn't even that busy on Tuesdays.
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It was Chapman's ice cream for god's sake, I doubt brand of ice cream was part of the problem, and yes, when it comes to ice cream, I do know how to make various things work...LNahid2000 wrote: ↑Right, because as usual you know everything about every fast food company's finances.
The actual cost of new equipment might be the roadblock, but not the actual sale of ice cream.
It's the sales that need to happen, so $3.99 would have worked.
$4.59 was too high.
Then you have size of cup...
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Right, and anything over $1 for a piece of fried chicken is too highplaynicee1 wrote: ↑It was Chapman's ice cream for god's sake, I doubt brand of ice cream was part of the problem, and yes, when it comes to ice cream, I do know how to make various things work...
The actual cost of new equipment might be the roadblock, but not the actual sale of ice cream.
It's the sales that need to happen, so $3.99 would have worked.
$4.59 was too high.
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Yes, actually, for the drumstick. A dollar can be done.LNahid2000 wrote: ↑Right, and anything over $1 for a piece of fried chicken is too high
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Its not a accident 6 points is trying to get out of their deal, clearly they must've been losing $ at a unsustainable rate to try to close & pull out so soon after investing so heavily. I think within 12 months there won't be any Carls Jr left in Canada. I've been to both Toronto locations multiple times & both were never at full capacity or even close to it, except possibly on opening day (when I wasn't at either place)playnicee1 wrote: ↑Every investment has it's own unique complications no matter what you do. Carl's jr. is still a good investment, but like I said already, just make sure there is an extra budget for billboard advertising because head office won't pay for any advertising in Canada, even though they really should.
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