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Chevy Bolt...383km /charge for $30k plus

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How does the i3 handle winter? What with it being RWD and all? I managed pretty well this week in the Volt.
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mr_raider wrote:
Mar 17th, 2017 9:49 am
How does the i3 handle winter? What with it being RWD and all? I managed pretty well this week in the Volt.
With snow tires on it's been excellent. I was curious at first but had driven some RWD cars years back occasionally in the winter.

Gotta say, after driving only FWD cars for the past 15+ years I'm really enjoying RWD (and rear motor) with this car.
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Is this pre-conditioning limited to Tesla or do other EV's have this too?

Is that a nice sounding terminology that just mean turning the heat on while still plugged in?
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Mar 19th, 2017 5:39 pm
Is this pre-conditioning limited to Tesla or do other EV's have this too?

Is that a nice sounding terminology that just mean turning the heat on while still plugged in?
Other EVs have it.

The bolt has 'Remote Vehicle Starter System' that cools or pre-warms the interior when the vehicle is plugged in.

http://www.chevrolet.ca/configurator/DD ... etail.html
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Mar 19th, 2017 7:15 pm
Other EVs have it.

The bolt has 'Remote Vehicle Starter System' that cools or pre-warms the interior when the vehicle is plugged in.

http://www.chevrolet.ca/configurator/DD ... etail.html
I think the poster was asking about preconditioning as it relates to the battery not so much the interior. As far as I'm aware I don't think any of the other manufacturer mentions the battery preconditioning.

As earlier poster said the ideal with battery preconditioning is so in colder weather the battery temperature will be optimal by the time you start driving and you don't lose as much range due to the cold. Probably most effective for longer commutes as the energy used to precondition the battery may not cover the efficiency gain for shorter commutes.

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LeeBear wrote:
Mar 19th, 2017 7:39 pm
I think the poster was asking about preconditioning as it relates to the battery not so much the interior. As far as I'm aware I don't think any of the other manufacturer mentions the battery preconditioning.

As earlier poster said the ideal with battery preconditioning is so in colder weather the battery temperature will be optimal by the time you start driving and you don't lose as much range due to the cold. Probably most effective for longer commutes as the energy used to precondition the battery may not cover the efficiency gain for shorter commutes.

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afaik, some EV's use the heater to warm the high voltage battery and interior

The BMW i3 has pre-conditioning...

BMW i3: Understanding How Preconditioning Works
https://transportevolved.com/2015/01/03 ... explained/
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what's this deal about heat pumps, are only Tesla S and X that have this heating system that is efficient in warming cabin temperatures up?

Or does the Bolt have this too?
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alanbrenton wrote:
Mar 19th, 2017 7:58 pm
what's this deal about heat pumps, are only Tesla S and X that have this heating system that is efficient in warming cabin temperatures up?

Or does the Bolt have this too?
Nissan Leaf has a heat pump system..

"A heat-pump system, heats the cabin using the temperature difference between a refrigerant and the outside air, obtaining a heating effect other than consuming electricity, and making it possible to heat the car cabin with less power than conventionally."
http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/TECHNOL ... eater.html

The Kia Soul EV also utilizes a heat pump...

"the standard heat pump utilizes waste heat from the car’s own power electronics to further your energy savings. "
http://www.kia.com/us/en/vehicle/soul-ev/2016/tech


No, the Bolt does not currently have a 'heat pump'
http://pushevs.com/electric-vehicles/el ... t-bolt-ev/
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alanbrenton wrote:
Mar 19th, 2017 7:58 pm
what's this deal about heat pumps, are only Tesla S and X that have this heating system that is efficient in warming cabin temperatures up?

Or does the Bolt have this too?
2015 and newer LEAFs having heating pumps and if I remember correctly so does the Bolt.


Sorry my bad it's 2013 LEAF with HP. And no for the Bolt.
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LeeBear wrote:
Mar 19th, 2017 7:39 pm
I think the poster was asking about preconditioning as it relates to the battery not so much the interior. As far as I'm aware I don't think any of the other manufacturer mentions the battery preconditioning.

As earlier poster said the ideal with battery preconditioning is so in colder weather the battery temperature will be optimal by the time you start driving and you don't lose as much range due to the cold. Probably most effective for longer commutes as the energy used to precondition the battery may not cover the efficiency gain for shorter commutes.

-LeeBear
All GM EVs maintain the battery in proper range automatically while plugged in and when vehicle is on. No need to trigger it in any way.
Preconditioning with mention of bolt would be a remote start to heat or cool the cabin.
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alanbrenton wrote:
Mar 19th, 2017 5:39 pm
Is this pre-conditioning limited to Tesla or do other EV's have this too?

Is that a nice sounding terminology that just mean turning the heat on while still plugged in?
alanbrenton wrote:
Mar 19th, 2017 7:58 pm
what's this deal about heat pumps, are only Tesla S and X that have this heating system that is efficient in warming cabin temperatures up?

Or does the Bolt have this too?
Pretty sure most EVs have some form of pre-conditioning for the batteries. I know my i3 does.

I think some EVs utilize a heat pump as well. My i3 BEV has a heat pump, but I believe that the i3 with range extender does not (as the space is occupied by the small generator that is used for extending range).
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alanbrenton wrote:
Mar 19th, 2017 5:39 pm
Is this pre-conditioning limited to Tesla or do other EV's have this too?

Is that a nice sounding terminology that just mean turning the heat on while still plugged in?
My Volvo XC90 T8 PHEV has this as well. Yes warms or cools down the car while plugged in to 240V.
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joey003 wrote:
Mar 20th, 2017 8:14 am
Pretty sure most EVs have some form of pre-conditioning for the batteries. I know my i3 does.

I think some EVs utilize a heat pump as well. My i3 BEV has a heat pump, but I believe that the i3 with range extender does not (as the space is occupied by the small generator that is used for extending range).
Correct - this is also why the i3 Rex has a poorer EV range rating despite the same size of battery - it's not all due to added mass of the engine. Some of it also comes from less efficient heating. (the heat from the engine cannot be used in the cabin, it was not designed that way)
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In the driveway finally. I hope the dealer addresses my concerns, a few paint chips I have found am attempting to resolve. The car looks fabulous on the inside, don't expect expensive finishings but the tech looks great, dash looks great feels good.

Bolt...
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Saw this at the car show hoping to buy one. Has the cheapest 'toy' interior I have ever seen. Guess all the $ went into the batteries and make the car electric. Now, if someone could make a car like the 2017 Honda CR-V Touring, which I bought, that was electric at a similar price that would be extremely successful. Tesla is rumoured to be introducing a hatchback version of the Model 3 in 2020-22 which might come close.
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