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Chevy Bolt...383km /charge for $30k plus

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It's nice that EVs are popping up but most of them are econoboxes. I'd love to drive a bigger EV/phev. For example, the Malibu would be perfect as a plug in hybrid. But for now GM only has the volt (Cruz body) and bolt (Sonic body).
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blaznazn22 wrote:
Sep 20th, 2017 10:04 pm
It's nice that EVs are popping up but most of them are econoboxes. I'd love to drive a bigger EV/phev. For example, the Malibu would be perfect as a plug in hybrid. But for now GM only has the volt (Cruz body) and bolt (Sonic body).
There are quite a few larger choices: Sonata PHEV, Optima PHEV, Fusion Energi, Pacifica Hybrid, various BMWs.
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yeah, all the BEVs are econoboxes. Is Model S the only midsize BEV on the market?
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aximrocks wrote:
Sep 21st, 2017 3:42 pm
yeah, all the BEVs are econoboxes. Is Model S the only midsize BEV on the market?
Yes. The only one that is mass produced, anyway. There is no 5 class, A6, Camry BEV on the market.
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aximrocks wrote:
Sep 21st, 2017 3:42 pm
yeah, all the BEVs are econoboxes. Is Model S the only midsize BEV on the market?
Hyundai IonIQ EV would be a midsize BEV. The Model S would be more class as a full size car.
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Pretty small though.
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some1not wrote:
Sep 23rd, 2017 9:33 pm
Hyundai IonIQ EV would be a midsize BEV. The Model S would be more class as a full size car.
ioniq is a midsize? it’s listed under the compact category on hyundai website.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_classification

Compact: bolt, focus, egolf, leaf, i3, ioniq, soul, model 3, civic, corolla, mazda 3
midsize: model s, camry, accord, fusion, passat, bmw 5xx
full size: taurus, avalon, impala, bmw 7xx
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aximrocks wrote:
Sep 23rd, 2017 11:53 pm
ioniq is a midsize? it’s listed under the compact category on hyundai website.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_classification

Compact: bolt, focus, egolf, leaf, i3, ioniq, soul, model 3, civic, corolla, mazda 3
midsize: model s, camry, accord, fusion, passat, bmw 5xx
full size: taurus, avalon, impala, bmw 7xx
I was going by what the sales guy told me and it is bigger than my LEAF which is a compact car. If i had to compare the LEAF, IonIQ, Model S, LEAF would be compact, IonIQ midsize and the S a fullsize car.
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Depends on how midsize is defined. If you go by EPA size class, the Ioniq is midsize, as is the 2016 Civic.
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The point of BEV is ultra save with obvious and outright compromise in range and size.
Battery are bulky, expensive and heavy, and to drive larger vehicle will need to better everything up and still facing same problem of range and size.

What's the point by offering BEV, but let efficiency to be only maybe twice better than gas car.
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The ford focus is 4390mm long and 1823mm wide, the ioniq is 4450mm long and 1820mm wide. By size it should fall into compact segment
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some1not wrote:
Sep 24th, 2017 7:45 am

I was going by what the sales guy told me and it is bigger than my LEAF which is a compact car. If i had to compare the LEAF, IonIQ, Model S, LEAF would be compact, IonIQ midsize and the S a fullsize car.
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Sep 24th, 2017 7:54 am
Depends on how midsize is defined. If you go by EPA size class, the Ioniq is midsize, as is the 2016 Civic.
LoveRFD wrote:
Sep 24th, 2017 9:10 am
The ford focus is 4390mm long and 1823mm wide, the ioniq is 4450mm long and 1820mm wide. By size it should fall into compact segment
Classifications for compact/midsize are based on interior volume, despite what the exterior dimensions may be.
Many BEVs are optimized for battery packaging and have less things intruding into the cabin so with exterior dimensions the same as ICE counterpart, it may qualify as one class up.
Focus would not fit this category as it is a poorly optimized BEV, it's just the ICE shell with batteries shoehorned in wherever they'll fit (it has less interior space than the ICE version)
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aqnd wrote:
Sep 24th, 2017 6:19 pm
Classifications for compact/midsize are based on interior volume, despite what the exterior dimensions may be.
Many BEVs are optimized for battery packaging and have less things intruding into the cabin so with exterior dimensions the same as ICE counterpart, it may qualify as one class up.
Focus would not fit this category as it is a poorly optimized BEV, it's just the ICE shell with batteries shoehorned in wherever they'll fit (it has less interior space than the ICE version)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Ioniq
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Besides the lack of ACC, what other sought after feature is lacking on the 2017 Bolt and will those be included in the 2018 top of the line trim?
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And?
Here's another wikipedia page that tells you that Canadian classification of 3115-3400L is "mid-size car"
And the specs for ionic BEV say 3375L interior volume.
You can call it whatever you like (as whoever made the wikipedia page did). But the exterior dimensions do not determine the vehicle class - it's interior volume.
Leaf is also mid-size.

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