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Chief Saunders denies cover up - doesn't know why no investigation or why SIU not contacted

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Christian Theriault and Michael Theriault ( Off-Duty Cop ) - both brother's beat up Dafonte Miller ( 19 year old kid ) with a steel pipe.

He loses one eye in the assault, and suffered a broken nose, jaw and wrist. Then they file 5 FALSE charges against the brutalised victim to cover things up— including theft under $5,000, two counts of assault with a weapon, possession of a weapon and marijuana-related possession. All these fake charges are thrown out.

Both Toronto Police & Durham police try to cover things up. No internal investigation takes place & no one bothers to inform the SIU . Only when Miller's lawyer gets involved the SIU gets contacted after months.

The father of the brothers, John Theriault, is a veteran detective who has been with Toronto police for more than 30 years and currently works in the force's Professional Standards Unit, further tries to cover up things with the help of Toronto Police & Durham Police. Major conflict of interest and interference from him to protect his 2 sons.

"The division, that Christian and Michael Theriault's father John Theriault belongs to and works for, is the same division responsible for calling the SIU," No wonder the SIU were never called by Daddy . From start to finish he was throwing his weight around, using his influence and knowledge of the internal working of the police department to cover up & protect his 2 sons.

Corruption, Conflict of Interest, Cover Up & Police abuse & brutality at the highest level. And we are supposed to trust & respect these people ? Go Figure. Tomorrow is going to be me or you in their hands, when we are just walking down the street.
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The only justice here will be if :

1. Christian & Michael Theriault go to jail for Attempted murder.

2. Jonn Theriault and all those who tried to cover up also lose their jobs and go to jail for cover up.

3. A thorough fair , unbiased and impartial investigation takes place. And new laws and checks and balances and procedures are put in place so that something like this never happens to the public again. So the bad apples ( there are tons of them ) in the Police force don't even think of doing anything like this again.

4.Dafonte Miller sues the hell out of both Toronto police & Durham police and gets a big compensation. All his other expenses & rehabilitation should be taken care of too.
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During my University days in Montreal I was always wondering why drug dealers were allowed to sell drugs in the open around Berri-Uqam while just one block further cops were busting pedestrians for jaywalking. It's pretty clear to me now living in foreign countries that they were paid off not to disrupt the trade. If anyone thinks otherwise needs their head examined.
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Rogeredz wrote:
Jul 28th, 2017 1:00 am
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/w ... -1.4224527

Now Waterloo police are going to carry out the internal investigation..LMAO. Durham police colluded with Toronto police to cover up things.

But for some reason the saints from Waterloo are going to be different, honest & unbiased & not corrupt..ROFLMAO. Don't they wear blue uniforms, or does the thin blue line not exist over there.

Anyway they should stop this charade and stop wasting tax payers money, and declare these thugs & their internal affairs cover up daddy innocent. They are obviously not going to convict them or send them to jail, just like Sammy Yatim killer James Forcillio is not going to jail for murder. They are cops - different rules, laws & justice applies to them.

This will be in the news for a few weeks more & then it will be business as usual for these cops & their buddies, after their suspended with pay vacation is over.

You might as well get the Peel police force to investigate, we all know how much they love minorities.
I don't understand why they're allowing another municipal police force to investigate this. Shouldn't the RCMP be the ones investigating, just like how the FBI investigates these cases in the US? Federal agencies should overrule provincial and municipal agencies, after all.
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dimple1947 wrote:
Jul 31st, 2017 2:28 am
The only justice here will be if :

1. Christian & Michael Theriault go to jail for Attempted murder.

2. Jonn Theriault and all those who tried to cover up also lose their jobs and go to jail for cover up.

3. A thorough fair , unbiased and impartial investigation takes place. And new laws and checks and balances and procedures are put in place so that something like this never happens to the public again. So the bad apples ( there are tons of them ) in the Police force don't even think of doing anything like this again.

4.Dafonte Miller sues the hell out of both Toronto police & Durham police and gets a big compensation. All his other expenses & rehabilitation should be taken care of too.
You're going to be disappointed then. There is not going to be an attempted murder conviction. It's not easy to get an attempted murder conviction. There needs to be clear evidence they intended to kill him. Hitting someone with a pipe doesn't necessarily prove intent to kill. That's why we have aggravated assault and assault with a weapon charges that can be laid, because attempted murder isn't always an appropriate charge to lay. I have personally been stabbed by someone who repeatedly stated he tried to kill me. He was charged with attempted murder but was convicted of aggravated assault instead.

You can claim whatever you want, but this stuff is based on decades of case law and precedents. It's not as if him being a cop is the only reason he won't get an attempted murder conviction. You can and should demand justice, but you also need to base your expectations on what is reasonable and likely. An attempted murder conviction is unlikely in this case, unless there is some type of evidence that shows they intended to kill this guy.
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Piro21 wrote:
Jul 31st, 2017 10:32 am
I don't understand why they're allowing another municipal police force to investigate this. Shouldn't the RCMP be the ones investigating, just like how the FBI investigates these cases in the US? Federal agencies should overrule provincial and municipal agencies, after all.
The F.B.I. investigate the Federal Legislation concerning violations of civil rights. They do not investigate violations of the individual state penal codes (51 of them). The R.C.M.P.even though empowered to investigate Criminal Code matters have to be invited to conduct the investigation by the Attorney General of Ontario or Quebec as those two provinces have their own provincial police. The enforcement and administration of the Criminal Code is up to each individual province by way of the respective Attorney General.

Now that does not mean the R.C.M.P. cannot investigate matters in Ontario or Quebec whereby it may form part of another investigation they are conducting or it is within their mandate on a national level, for example multi-provincial frauds, child porn, etc.
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rcmpvet wrote:
Jul 31st, 2017 12:56 pm
The F.B.I. investigate the Federal Legislation concerning violations of civil rights. They do not investigate violations of the individual state penal codes (51 of them). The R.C.M.P.even though empowered to investigate Criminal Code matters have to be invited to conduct the investigation by the Attorney General of Ontario or Quebec as those two provinces have their own provincial police. The enforcement and administration of the Criminal Code is up to each individual province by way of the respective Attorney General.

Now that does not mean the R.C.M.P. cannot investigate matters in Ontario or Quebec whereby it may form part of another investigation they are conducting or it is within their mandate on a national level, for example multi-provincial frauds, child porn, etc.
I understand that but its not like this is an isolated incident happening in each provinces. This is happening nationwide. These arent just a "few bad apples".

Police brutality, cover ups, planting evidence, corruption, discrimination/racism. You name it. Maybe provincial police can act on things that are happening in one province but that is far as they can go.

If its federal, its across the board. I highly doubt TPS can pull anything sleazy within the RCMP too. They can probably pull some strings within the province.

The RCMP have more than enough reason to act on this but yes I do agree that public pressure need to be made.

We dont want to look back 20-30 years from now and the same thing is still happening.
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^^^^^ Actually they are still isolated incidents in so far as there is no conspiracy, collusion, or direction being given from one or more individuals from above to those across the country. Hence leave it within each provincial mandate.
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Toronto police officer Michael Theriault, and his brother Christian Theriault, saw their bail conditions loosened by an Oshawa judge Wednesday.

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^^^^^ Actually they are still isolated incidents in so far as there is no conspiracy, collusion, or direction being given from one or more individuals from above to those across the country. Hence leave it within each provincial mandate.
The RCMP have acted on other things where there is no evidence of collusion or conspiracy happening across the country before.

MMIW is one example.

OPPA was also investigated by the RCMP

http://barrie.ctvnews.ca/rcmp-charge-th ... -1.2949087

This is happening nationwide. Its clearly systematic so it cant be an isolated issue.
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^^^^^ Kevindurant1

I do not know if it is your improper use of the specific word or you are trying to obfuscate the discussion, but I will go with just the wrong word:

Systematic - something that is carried out in a methodical, oragnized manner.

Systemic - something that affects an entire organization or process.

MMIW (for those wondering - Murdered and Missing Indigenous Women) - This is an inquiry that resulted from demonstrations started in B.C, initially on the number of missing women on the "highway of tears", #16 between Prince George and Prince Rupert. The RCMP Commissioner in 2013 started an inquiry into these matters. As it was initially concentrated in B.C.the RCMP took the lead. This is not much different from what I had previously stated.

OPPA (Ontario Provincial Police Association), Barrie - Again this is not much different from what I had earlier stated, although in my statement I said "multi-provincial frauds" I should have also added organized crime (even though this is not inter-provincial, it was organized amongst 5 individuals, part of the mandate of the Financial Crime and Anti-Corruption Units). In this case it started as a result of numerous complaints made, it has yet to be stated if the complaints were direct to the RCMP or if a request was made of the RCMP. It is well within their mandate but they do not take over an investigtion that has already been started within a province (Ontario and Quebec) unless requested by the Attorney General of the province.

The point is that the RCMP are empowered to enforce all Criminal Code matters across the country and they do, if they discover the crime, it is a part of a larger investigation or another Federal statute (to name a couple of investigation types) or within a province that has contracted the RCMP to be their provincial police , however in these matters, on this topic, the powers of enforcement fall onto each individual province, in this case Ontario. These types of incidents are systemic across the country, but they are not systematic and Ontario has the infrastructure in place to conduct their own investigations and the RCMP will only do so if invited.

Hence they really are isolated incidents as they have no relation to each other nor is there any organized plan of attack in this type of incident across the country, they all appear to be spur of the moment incidents.

Now I am sure you will find other cases and I will tell you that the RCMP in Ottawa (traffic section) regularily investigate impaired drivers (the investigations usually start on federal roads and streets) and if I recall correctly this type of matter is usually turned over to the local force of jurisdiction.

I understand the point you and others are trying to make however I know there are police forces just as capable and independant of any specific matter/force that can conduct these investigations without bias and that is what is happening. Even the RCMP has called in outside investigators to provide transparency in major investigations. Ottawa Police has been called into Nunavut two times this year for shooting deaths (Pond Inlet and Arviat).
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https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/0 ... sault.html

Bail conditions relaxed for cop and brother accused in Whitby assault

Const. Michael Theriault and Christian Theriault, charged in the beating of Black man Dafonte Miller, will now be able to consume alcohol, leave their homes at night and leave the province of Ontario while awaiting trial, a judge ruled Wednesday.

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