CMA SLP Year 2 - Discussion

[Bazin]

Your team agreement should also have repercussions for failing to perform.

But if you can show that there was little effort put forth by this member, go to your moderators who will help you with your next steps.

[jcon]

Your team agreement should also have repercussions for failing to perform.

But if you can show that there was little effort put forth by this member, go to your moderators who will help you with your next steps.

Don't go to your moderators, go to the program office. That is what they are there for.

You need to get the office involved because they can get things done. They can remove people from groups, making it impossible for them to graduate this year. It happens where someone's 'other life' interferes and they are not focused on the program.

Your team agreement will take it so far but informing the office gives you some back-up if it happens again in the future. Just make them aware of the situation.

[adot27]

Does anyone else think that CMA is really well on their way to de-valuing this designation? I got pretty lucky with my group, however, the discussions I've had with some friends about members of their group being MIA, not contributing anything of value and not even being familiar with certain concepts that are a staple of this program (ie. NPV) is just unbelievable. So many people should not be in this program and it makes me so mad that so many of them will coast through on their team members who are working even harder to pick up their slack.

[jcon]

Does anyone else think that CMA is really well on their way to de-valuing this designation? I got pretty lucky with my group, however, the discussions I've had with some friends about members of their group being MIA, not contributing anything of value and not even being familiar with certain concepts that are a staple of this program (ie. NPV) is just unbelievable. So many people should not be in this program and it makes me so mad that so many of them will coast through on their team members who are working even harder to pick up their slack.

I just don't see how any group could allow it's members to 'coast' through.

Each team must remember that they will share this designation with others. Why would you let someone coast through and share your designation?

They need to step-up and get these people on board or out of the group!

[Quitco]

I just don't see how any group could allow it's members to 'coast' through.

Each team must remember that they will share this designation with others. Why would you let someone coast through and share your designation?

They need to step-up and get these people on board or out of the group!

Cuz it's probably a pain in the butt to get rid of someone? You'd have to document everything, prove that they didn't pull their weight and also prove that you gave them chances to fix their behavior. Actually it sounds like firing someone, lol. I know lots of groups (mine included) that just let people coast cuz its more of a hassle to get rid of them. Also can you imagine how awkward it would be if you tried to axe someone and it failed?

[Frustrated100]

The group did confront the individual and the reply we got was pretty much a shrug off. We have also gone to the office to let them know what is going on and we were told they would look into it. As far as showing them emails were we requested information from the individual and never got a response, telling the office they came to meetings unprepared and we have an email from the individual saying they were to busy to look at the report - I don't know any other information to have to prove they can't hold their own. What irks me is that I thought in the year 1 sessions it was obvious this individual was lazy and came unprepared but yet somehow they are allowed through the program.

[setell]

I hope I don't get a bad member too as I got one that is new to the session doing nothing so far. We set yesterday as the deadline to have all the rough draft done by each member so we can go through it and discuss it for this Wednesday's meeting. So far we got nothing from that individual while the rest of us have done our share. He's making me nervous as he's not emailing us if he's having issues or contacting us period! As much as I like to give new people a chance...this guy is scaring me a bit. He's nice and all but I need somebody to pull their weight when things count and if we set deadlines as a group then you better h3ll keep those deadlines even if you pull an all nighter!! Well I know my manager would not take it well at all if a report is late!!!

[nsb123]

For those that have had their first IS in SLP year 2 ... what is required from the case presentations. There is no information available as to what is expected. Are we expected to present on the alternatives and recommendations? action plan? or the entire format of the case from intro to conclusion. In such short time what are we to focus on? some insights from those that have experience in presenting and what worked for you will be helpful

[setell]

I am sad to officially report I got a dud in my group. Consolidating the financials was a nightmare when I didn’t get quants for one of the major alternatives. In a way I’m glad I took on the consolidating task as it would not get done if it was assigned to him. ‘sigh’ I am really not a fan of doing other people’s work or explaining simple theories such as how to do bloody decision matrix. Or what on earth goodwill/purchase price discrepancy is. All I can say is OMG OMG….how you pass year 1 or the EE is beyond me!!!! People like that make me mad as they are not qualified to be an accountant at all. This is going to sound offensive but these people just don’t have the intelligence to share that designation with me!

As to what to do about it, my team mates wants to give another chance. I will be documenting everything and if there is a strike two…..well CMA ON is going to hear about it.

[Knitecrow]

I am sad to officially report I got a dud in my group.

IMHO is extremely rare for a person to be a complete "dud"... everyone has strengths/weakness. Quite often it is about how to use a team member effectively.

Sometimes it is difficult to balance work/life/school. Sometimes there are other distractions.

People like that make me mad as they are not qualified to be an accountant at all. This is going to sound offensive but these people just don’t have the intelligence to share that designation with me!

It is offensive that you are basing your judgement on superficial analysis. Get off your high horse.

As to what to do about it, my team mates wants to give another chance. I will be documenting everything and if there is a strike two…..well CMA ON is going to hear about it.

It is easy to point. It is easy to complain. It is easy to document.


It is difficult to take time/energy to work with people, to understand them, and to make a group work cohesively and effectively.

[setell]

IMHO is extremely rare for a person to be a complete "dud"... everyone has strengths/weakness. Quite often it is about how to use a team member effectively.

Sometimes it is difficult to balance work/life/school. Sometimes there are other distractions.

I find that the excuse of balancing CMA with work/school/life isn’t an valid excuse at all. Everybody knew going into the program you have to contribute, or I hope they knew they had to contribute, to get the designation. If everybody use that excuse then nobody would get their CMA as I also balance a whole slew of other things outside of CMA. It’s about being fully committed and not being fully committed. As to finding his strengths, we haven’t found any yet. We’ve found his weaknesses though.

It is offensive that you are basing your judgement on superficial analysis. Get off your high horse.

If you can’t show me you know the basics of what you should know say NPV then I truly question if you are going to be a good accountant. We are all about the NPV’s in year 1! If you can’t grasp material that have been repeatedly covered then I’m worried how well you can grasp the other materials that you may not encounter as often. This is case number 1 and when you don’t do anything but make constant excuses as to why your share of the work isn’t complete then….I don’t know how to perceive you as an individual other than form a pretty bad impression. If you’re at work and your manager wants a particular report by this date. Is it realistic to tell your manager you didn’t know what was required of you the day that it was due or for you to tell your manager you had no internet service? This is what I’m faced with. Is it wrong to think so negatively of him, probably but I haven’t seen any evidence of him redeeming himself when I gave him many chances as I sent repeated email requests. It was easier for me to do the work then to get it from him. The group has reached a semi conclusion that it seems to be easier to just do his work.

It is easy to point. It is easy to complain. It is easy to document.


It is difficult to take time/energy to work with people, to understand them, and to make a group work cohesively and effectively.

I’m finding it difficult to accept that the caliber of individuals may not be at my minimum requirement and it shocks me. It’s something new I’m learning but it really sucks when the rest of the group has to pick up more work. His name is on that report when he did very little for it. We are going to try a different method to get him to contribute more.

[D-Swoop]

IS 5 this week for BC'ers. How's everyone else doing with the prep work? Especially the DASH letter?

[jcon]

Board Report is out!