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CMHC assessment much lower than sale price?

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CMHC assessment much lower than sale price?

I'm wondering if anyone has experience with CMHC assessments coming in significantly lower than the agreed upon sale price (either as a buyer or seller).

I opted for optional CMHC insurance on a $490,000 offer and the CMHC assessment came back $425,000. I re-checked my data and comparables, and $425,000 seems really low. I'm not sure if I should interpret that really as a sign of the property value, or reflective of the insurance company's conservative approach.

TL;DR: are low CMHC assessments common, or am I missing something and maybe made a terrible offer?
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they are defintely tightening up but thats a big spread between the 2..... you can also try applying with Genworth or Canada guaranty
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Jan 15, 2010
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I hope you didn't waive your financing condition. That gap seems too big, even factoring in the crazyness of the 2017 GTA market. Did you buy in a small building that doesn't have any recent comparables?
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So CMHC did an appraisal at $425,000 for a home that you placed an offer of $490,000? Is CMHC refusing to provide default insurance or is it requesting a larger down pmt? Is CMHC requesting a full appraisal?

Most likely CMHC did an AVM - but with that much of a spread, you may want to insist on a full appraisal before you waive the financing condition.
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DaMan12 wrote:
Dec 7th, 2017 10:24 pm
I hope you didn't waive your financing condition. That gap seems too big, even factoring in the crazyness of the 2017 GTA market. Did you buy in a small building that doesn't have any recent comparables?
I'm in an area where 4BR / 2 upper floors are rare. It's hard to find comparables. Location is Montreal, so part of the problem is that the market is rising now seeing how much more affordable it is than TO/Vancouver, plus the local economy has been strong lately.

The main comparable that seems to have been used was an unrenovated ground floor condo in the same co-ownership of 20 units that had been on the market for a year. Same size, but night and day in terms of quality. A totally different but viable approach for me would have been to buy something like that and renovate, but that was never my plan.

I didn't waive the financing condition, but my initial offer stipulated a down payment of 35%, so the seller knows I have the cash and could in theory satisfy the offer conditions by putting less down (i.e. he might have a legal case even with the low appraisal).
Last edited by PumpkinPete on Dec 8th, 2017 7:39 am, edited 1 time in total.
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skeet50 wrote:
Dec 7th, 2017 11:23 pm
So CMHC did an appraisal at $425,000 for a home that you placed an offer of $490,000? Is CMHC refusing to provide default insurance or is it requesting a larger down pmt? Is CMHC requesting a full appraisal?

Most likely CMHC did an AVM - but with that much of a spread, you may want to insist on a full appraisal before you waive the financing condition.
They did a full appraisal. Apparently the evaluator was there for 7 minutes.

They are offering to insure $425,000. If I pay the difference up front, they will still cover the mortgage.
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A full appraisal. Home appraisals are not a hard science and a different appraiser could arrive at a slightly different value. Personally, I would see this as my overpaying for the unit and would see what options were available to walk away.
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PumpkinPete wrote:
Dec 8th, 2017 7:41 am
They did a full appraisal. Apparently the evaluator was there for 7 minutes.

They are offering to insure $425,000. If I pay the difference up front, they will still cover the mortgage.
Try Genworth
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So if you put 65K down they will insure the rest?
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DaMan12 wrote:
Dec 8th, 2017 9:30 am
So if you put 65K down they will insure the rest?
That's right. I'm just trying to figure out if I went completely wrong on the price!

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