Locked: Commentary and Questions Regarding Inconsistent Application of Forum Rules

poedua wrote: ↑

Jun 15th, 2012 9:53 pm

I'd tend to agree.

Frankly, we're only talking about the removal of a signature here...pretty trivial stuff in the overall scheme of things IMO ..and hardly anything of consequence to warrant the 1,000+ words of incessant vitriolic hyperbole from the OP..

OK...so your signature got locked...you're ticked. Perfectly understandable...anyone who gets their signature deleted gets ticked.

That said, I'd just ' suck it up ' and move on. And if you want to ' swap punches ' with oranr, probably best to do it via PM, rather than haranguing & disparaging oranr in a public forum.

trolling

Kenny Blankenship wrote: ↑

Jun 15th, 2012 10:00 pm

trolling

+1

poedua wrote: ↑

Jun 15th, 2012 9:53 pm

I'd tend to agree.

Frankly, we're only talking about the removal of a signature here...pretty trivial stuff in the overall scheme of things IMO ..and hardly anything of consequence to warrant the 1,000+ words of incessant vitriolic hyperbole from the OP..

OK...so your signature got locked...you're ticked. Perfectly understandable...anyone who gets their signature deleted gets ticked.

That said, I'd just ' suck it up ' and move on. And if you want to ' swap punches ' with oranr, probably best to do it via PM, rather than haranguing & disparaging oranr in a public forum.

but he doesn't check everyone's PMs.
that's not a good method of communicating with him.

poedua wrote: ↑

Jun 15th, 2012 9:53 pm

I'd tend to agree.

Frankly, we're only talking about the removal of a signature here...pretty trivial stuff in the overall scheme of things IMO ..and hardly anything of consequence to warrant the 1,000+ words of incessant vitriolic hyperbole from the OP..

OK...so your signature got locked...you're ticked. Perfectly understandable...anyone who gets their signature deleted gets ticked.

That said, I'd just ' suck it up ' and move on. And if you want to ' swap punches ' with oranr, probably best to do it via PM, rather than haranguing & disparaging oranr in a public forum.

Do you seriously feel the need to defend every staff decision to a fault and downplay everyone's complaints? I mean, I don't think I've ever seen you not post something to this tune in every thread where people have a dispute.

Stop trying to play secretary and run coverage for oranr. He's a big boy, he can handle these grievances on a case-by-case basis.

Hello All, I would ask you to just ignore poedua. She obviously know's she is going to get a rise out of some members and this will cause the thread to be locked because it has been derailed. Do not give her the satisfaction. If you must acknowledge her just post an eye roll from now on. That way these threads may stay open longer, and a proper discussion maybe had with those actually in charge.

Barayolayosa wrote: ↑

Jun 15th, 2012 9:20 am

My personal take is this: RFD is not a democracy. It's a for-profit website, and it has owners that dictate what happens on the forums.

If the mods don't like your signature, they can make you delete it. If they want you to leave, they will show you the door.

It really is that simple - your only real recourse is to take your business elsewhere.

While RFD is NOT a democracy, they do have to listen to their members, or risk losing members, and federal and provincial laws, or risk fines.
I'll post a PERSONAL case:
July 11, 2011, I received a PM from ornar, requesting my avatar be removed immediately, as he had been made aware, that my avatar "was in violation of site rules as "political or otherwise controversial content".
Around 4 hours later, I replied below, and haven't heard from him since. THUS, I think ornar DOES understand business a bit better than he lets on:
(My response to his demand for me to remove my avatar)

I've had my avatar for 3 years or more... I'm surprised it wasn't found 'controversial' before hand. THAT being said, The Human Rights Tribunal of Ontario stipulates that businesses can't discriminate against a persons creed - or religion - on behalf of other clients.

Again, I've had it as my avatar for most of 3 years.

Hello Allan

I find your AV quite offensive. That is all

Take care

yao416 wrote: ↑

Jun 16th, 2012 1:15 am

Hello Allan

I find your AV quite offensive. That is all

Take care

Great, I'm glad. Now, May the Great I Am Bless you, in all that you do.

Didn't even read the first post (looked long and drawn out), but

_Allan_ wrote: ↑

Jun 16th, 2012 1:12 am

While RFD is NOT a democracy, they do have to listen to their members, or risk losing members, and federal and provincial laws, or risk fines.
I'll post a PERSONAL case:
July 11, 2011, I received a PM from ornar, requesting my avatar be removed immediately, as he had been made aware, that my avatar "was in violation of site rules as "political or otherwise controversial content".
Around 4 hours later, I replied below, and haven't heard from him since. THUS, I think ornar DOES understand business a bit better than he lets on:
(My response to his demand for me to remove my avatar)

They could delete your avatar right now if they felt like it. Hell they could ban you for no reason whatsoever, delete your account and erase any history of you even being on this site and there isn't a damn thing you could do about it. Not that I agree with every staff move made on here (due to lack of caring mostly) but just be thankful they're as lenient as they are. This is their forum and they can do whatever they please, as long as they don't break any laws like threaten people or something way out in left field.

tl;dr: quit crying like a bunch of babies.

JK400 wrote: ↑

Jun 16th, 2012 1:36 am

Didn't even read the first post (looked long and drawn out), but




They could delete your avatar right now if they felt like it. Hell they could ban you for no reason whatsoever, delete your account and erase any history of you even being on this site and there isn't a damn thing you could do about it. Not that I agree with every staff move made on here (due to lack of caring mostly) but just be thankful they're as lenient as they are. This is their forum and they can do whatever they please, as long as they don't break any laws like threaten people or something way out in left field.

tl;dr: quit crying like a bunch of babies.

If they try to delete any history of me, it'll show up in server logs/backups etc. The reason they don't delete people is because of the difficulties. Not to mention, I have screen shots of the PM's. If they deleted my avatar, they would be taken to the Ontario Human Rights Tribunal, who would deal with them. As I said in my PM to ornar, private business CAN NOT discriminate against people based on creed (or sex, or weight, or age, or sexual orientation, or height, or race, or hair colour, or eye colour, without being in a world of trouble.)
Most people don't think they have rights when visiting websites, but, when it's owned by an Ontario business, and it's registered in Ontario with Head Quarters in Ontario, than they are legally obligated to follow Ontario Laws, just as they are required to follow US Federal, and State laws where their website is stored. Just like Google can't say "Sorry, just because we have several hundred terabytes of data from Canadian wifi (from when our Street View car 'sniffed out data') including phone numbers, and network passwords etc, but we don't have a physical presence, we're going to ignore Canadian Privacy concerns." Google can't do that, and won't, and RFD can't ignore laws, and (hopefully) won't... NOW, I was just showing an example where knowing your rights as a human, can help you. The OP isn't totally baseless in his request - just because his link has ads on it, doesn't mean he is going to personally gain from it.
I recently posted a video from Anderson Cooper's "Ridiculist" ... I'm sure (though I can't see them in Fx) that there are a couple ads on the link, but it wasn't removed... was it?

_Allan_ wrote: ↑

Jun 16th, 2012 1:12 am

While RFD is NOT a democracy, they do have to listen to their members, or risk losing members, and federal and provincial laws, or risk fines.
I'll post a PERSONAL case:
July 11, 2011, I received a PM from ornar, requesting my avatar be removed immediately, as he had been made aware, that my avatar "was in violation of site rules as "political or otherwise controversial content".
Around 4 hours later, I replied below, and haven't heard from him since. THUS, I think ornar DOES understand business a bit better than he lets on:
(My response to his demand for me to remove my avatar)

It is not discrimination if it is applied to all members.

You would seriously take them to the human right tribunal over an avatar? That is truly sad and pathetic.

D-Roc wrote: ↑

Jun 16th, 2012 5:01 am

It is not discrimination if it is applied to all members.

+1 They presumably allowed your icon to stand because no one complained about it. But now that the moderators are enforcing the rules more, they're going after your avatar just as they would anyone else's. If anything, you should be wondering why it's okay for other avatars to be changed but allow yours to stay.

...on that note, why the passion about Human Rights Tribunal now? There have been plenty of RFD users who have had their avatar changed due to rules. I didn't see you pull the Human Rights/Federal Laws/Provincial Laws card before. If you're really for freedom of expression and such, you should have been waving this card years ago from the getgo. Let's face it - the only reason why you're waving the card now is the idea that your avatar may be personally under threat.

If someone else's avatar were to be changed and yours left untouched, would you still go marching to the HRT? You wouldn't. You'd only go if yours were touched. Using something rather important and significant as a front for self-interest is a rather rude thing to do.

D-Roc wrote: ↑

Jun 16th, 2012 5:04 am

You would seriously take them to the human right tribunal over an avatar? That is truly sad and pathetic.

+1 as a atheist I find that avatar offensive and it should be removed. And yes I reported it as offensive.

_Allan_ wrote: ↑

Jun 16th, 2012 1:12 am

While RFD is NOT a democracy, they do have to listen to their members, or risk losing members, and federal and provincial laws, or risk fines.
I'll post a PERSONAL case:
July 11, 2011, I received a PM from ornar, requesting my avatar be removed immediately, as he had been made aware, that my avatar "was in violation of site rules as "political or otherwise controversial content".
Around 4 hours later, I replied below, and haven't heard from him since. THUS, I think ornar DOES understand business a bit better than he lets on:
(My response to his demand for me to remove my avatar)

i am a staunch anti-theist, but your avatar doesn't bother me.
if the admin does take action against your way of expressing yourself, it is in your right to take them to court, and you'd have my support.