Computer Science / Computer Engineering Bachelor of Science?

[Djay230]

Hi forum...Looking for very educated people in the business department/education department, if you're not educated please do not respond your answer is NOT wanted.

Wondering if studying for a Bachelor of Science in Computer Science / Computer Engineering is a good investment, what are some salary's I should be seeing in the future? Co-op or no Co-op.
Looking to create a career and stay with it until I am retired, not sure if this would be a good degree to go after, please make sure salaries are fairly accurate.

Also, what job should I look into / specialize in after getting the degree?
-IT
-Analyst


Please look for salaries based in Canada Ontario.
I will be attending either Waterloo, UofT, York, Ryerson, UOIT or Laurier Waterloo as those are the ontario universities that have programs for Computer Science/ Computer Engineering.
Leaning towards York, UofT or Waterloo.

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[babsyluv22]

This should be your first course and if it is not offered create one. You are asking someone for advice but yet you begin with somewhat of an insult hmmm I wonder how educated was BILL GATES. My suggestion....rephrase and repost otherwise your answer is .....error ...msg file 13 recipient.

[hrmmm]

1. Go to glassdoor.com
2. Enter a few companies like Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple
3. Click Salaries.

[Djay230]

This should be your first course and if it is not offered create one. You are asking someone for advice but yet you begin with somewhat of an insult hmmm I wonder how educated was BILL GATES. My suggestion....rephrase and repost otherwise your answer is .....error ...msg file 13 recipient.

My bad, i forgot getting advice from random people who have NO idea what they're talking about is going to help me on my career choice that will designate my life / a chunk of my life savings....next time im going to just ask someone who works at walmart.

1. Go to glassdoor.com
2. Enter a few companies like Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple
3. Click Salaries.

Thank you sir!

[DrXenon]

Barring an extreme attitude recalibration, I'd recommend a career as a parking enforcement officer or mall security professional.

[damnos]

Hi forum...Looking for very educated people in the business department/education department, if you're not educated please do not respond your answer is NOT wanted.

My bad, i forgot getting advice from random people who have NO idea what they're talking about is going to help me on my career choice that will designate my life / a chunk of my life savings....next time im going to just ask someone who works at walmart.

If you check my post history in the careers section you'll know my background is directly related and I've helped people with resume, careers, etc.
But you ... just sound like a big a-hole ... so here's one advice from me: fix your attitude.

[jda]

Do what you enjoy instead of chasing the dollar sign, it's hard to do something you don't enjoy for 30+ years.

As to your question, if you are good, you can easily make over 6 figures in the US.

[tuk123]

If you check my post history in the careers section you'll know my background is directly related and I've helped people with resume, careers, etc.
But you ... just sound like a big a-hole ... so here's one advice from me: fix your attitude.

+1.

OP, you sound like a very unpleasant person to deal with. Just for the record, I did graduate in CS from one of the institution you are leaning towards. I have done software, hardware, pm, qa, dba, web development, and support. Also I switch organizations fairly often, so I am quite familiar with market rate for various tech roles.

Having said all that, here's my advise to you: You can have the most fancy degree(CS/CENG isn't really that fancy) but if no one likes to deal with you, well guess what? You're not going to go far.

[sirex]

LOL at the OP....


Too bad he doesn't see the irony of his own smart alecy post..... Oh thats right, YOU'RE NOT EDUCATED EITHER you schmuck.

[RSX-S]

OP please do not enter this field. I am in this field and I would not want do deal with people with this type of attitude.

Before trying to come up with some type of retaliation, I have a computer engineering degree and years of experience managing enterprise IT systems.

Like other posters, I will be more then happy to help answer this type of question on this board. Just not to you.

[aaaaaa]

How would you define good investment? Lets start there eh? Others have gone off on your attitude, but the problem I see here is you have asked the question in a way that no one can just directly answer it. If you want a discussion, great, but you also make it pretty clear you just want a yes/no type answer (from someone qualified, lol).

I'd say that any career that pays off your school costs within a year of fulltime employment (assuming you are able to save say 50% of your salary) is probably worth it as an "investment". *Obviously* you should consider things like if it's something you want to do as a profession, will you still want to do it in 10 yrs, will it still exist in 10 yrs, will the pay be "good" in 10 yrs, etc. I'd say that most careers, including comp sci are worth the school investment, although there are definitely exceptions. Hope that helps.

My bad, i forgot getting advice from random people who have NO idea what they're talking about is going to help me on my career choice that will designate my life / a chunk of my life savings....next time im going to just ask someone who works at walmart.

Thank you sir!

Hmmm, where to start. Ahh, first I suppose I should say that while I am a comp sci graduate, I did indeed work at a grocery store while I was doing my schooling. So walmart might not be that bad of a place to start with. On the OTHER hand... have you ever considered that if you ask a biased source something you'll get a biased answer? If you phoned up Apple and asked them if investing in a mac was worthwhile, do you think they'd tell you "well, it depends, quite possibly not, as they are generally overpriced"?

So here's what I'd say. When you don't even know what kind of a job you'd like to work at, the only thing you should be dedicating a chunk of your life to is to finding out what you are good at, what job you would like to do, and if you are capable of doing that job. *Then* you can worry about a chunk of your "life savings", which honestly dude, cannot be that great if you've never had a career.

[Jon Lai]

Do what you want, not what is a "good investment"...

Surprised Mark77 hasn't come in yet.

[Mark77]

Do what you want, not what is a "good investment"...

Surprised Mark77 hasn't come in yet.

I'm here. Big problem with these courses is the unemployment is fairly high, and there's huge amounts of underemployment. And, for lack of better words, a good chunk of the business world doesn't really appreciate the efforts of people in the industry, and this shows in how they are treated in the workforce.

Looking to create a career and stay with it until I am retired

Here's the problem with that line of thinking; IT careers usually don't last all that long (ie: once you're over 50, most firms won't even bother to interview you). And if you graduate in the wrong year, good luck getting an interview at all. Not only are these programs extremely difficult, but there's a huge amount of risk in employment. Employers generally aren't looking for a CS or CompE grad -- they're looking for someone with in-depth skills in C, Java, networking, etc. Which means that, if your skills don't match the immediate need, most employers aren't willing to even talk to you.

Its not unheard of for grads to spend years unemployed before they find their first jobs. And organizations tend to cap their IT people at $80-$100k/year at the most, unless one moves into a management job which tend to be few and far between.

[Djay230]

If you check my post history in the careers section you'll know my background is directly related and I've helped people with resume, careers, etc.
But you ... just sound like a big a-hole ... so here's one advice from me: fix your attitude.

Oh ****, you've helped people with a resume and your the king of careers eh?
Guess I'm not the only one that has an attitude, sorry your uneducated mind is not wanted

+1.

OP, you sound like a very unpleasant person to deal with. Just for the record, I did graduate in CS from one of the institution you are leaning towards. I have done software, hardware, pm, qa, dba, web development, and support. Also I switch organizations fairly often, so I am quite familiar with market rate for various tech roles.

Having said all that, here's my advise to you: You can have the most fancy degree(CS/CENG isn't really that fancy) but if no one likes to deal with you, well guess what? You're not going to go far.

Once again, I'm pretty sure I stated for all uneducated minds to not reply, I guess telling uneducated people not to reply is hard because they're education holds them back from understanding the purpose of the sentence. Tough world.

LOL at the OP....


Too bad he doesn't see the irony of his own smart alecy post..... Oh thats right, YOU'RE NOT EDUCATED EITHER you schmuck.

I never said I was educated well or uneducated, I asked a question and simply stated for no uneducated members to post, you are a prime example.

OP please do not enter this field. I am in this field and I would not want do deal with people with this type of attitude.

Before trying to come up with some type of retaliation, I have a computer engineering degree and years of experience managing enterprise IT systems.

Like other posters, I will be more then happy to help answer this type of question on this board. Just not to you.

Sorry your uneducated mind is not needed or wanted
I am sure I will not be working with you, I don't work with people
With uneducated minds, I might be your boss one day but I will never work with you. No worries.

Do what you enjoy instead of chasing the dollar sign, it's hard to do something you don't enjoy for 30+ years.

As to your question, if you are good, you can easily make over 6 figures in the US.

I never said I do not enjoy this career pathway, I simply asked if it was a good investment.

It's like asking a friend if the new Chinese restaurant own the street taste good.
I am not asking it because I node not enjoy Chinese food, I am simply seeing if it is up to par
So I don't make a mistake.

I have been working on computers my whole life, however of the career pathway will not feed my children
At the end of the day it is not a career for me