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Cop goes home and shoots and kills stranger in her home - woops cop went to wrong unit - now arrested and charged

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Corleone187 wrote:
Oct 17th, 2018 9:28 am
C'mon man, I have a more upscale condo that has concierge 24/7 right at the door and I've NEVER seen this EVER. What where people let the door close then swipe this card? You know how inefficient this would be? There would be a line up :lol:
I know it's inefficient. But I'm speaking from experience where we've had incidents at both work office and condo building. It's been brought up as a concern at our Condo AGMs from residents. Whether it's food delivery or what have you, they just walk on through, when visitors should be buzzing up regardless. Break ins do happen.

My point is, if it's not someone you recognize, doesn't hurt to ask. If someone didn't recognize me and asked if I lived in my building, how difficult is it for me to just let them be on their way, and just tap myself in with a fob. Not difficult at all.

Why make something out of nothing. A Condo building is not a public place, it's a private community of homeowners and residents who need to all share in ensuring it's a safe and secure space. Concierge isn't at the desk every second of the day. They will do the same thing and ask people walking on through that they don't recognize, if they live in the building.
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I know it's inefficient. But I'm speaking from experience where we've had incidents at both work office and condo building. It's been brought up as a concern at our Condo AGMs from residents. Whether it's food delivery or what have you, they just walk on through, when visitors should be buzzing up regardless. Break ins do happen.

My point is, if it's not someone you recognize, doesn't hurt to ask. If someone didn't recognize me and asked if I lived in my building, how difficult is it for me to just let them be on their way, and just tap myself in with a fob. Not difficult at all.

Why make something out of nothing. A Condo building is not a public place, it's a private community of homeowners and residents who need to all share in ensuring it's a safe and secure space. Concierge isn't at the desk every second of the day. They will do the same thing and ask people walking on through that they don't recognize, if they live in the building.
You can simply note their description or take a photo of them if you're uncertain but you can't falsely imprison them from entering their home. For instance because you don't recognize someone isn't good enough reason to falsely imprison them. You can ask but they don't really have to respond to you. It's not like the guy had a gun or something, there was literally no reason. Here reason was "you walked in from the street", again which isn't good enough reason since EVERYONE does that to get in from the front door
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Corleone187 wrote:
Oct 16th, 2018 8:52 am
I found out what happened!

It was probably like this! :lol:

The woman is a busybody, but I don’t blame her for asking him if he has a fob. She just went too far thereafter, and then in the end it sounded like she was trying to cozy up to him to have her invited in. Smh
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Corleone187 wrote:
Oct 17th, 2018 10:18 am
You can simply note their description or take a photo of them if you're uncertain but you can't falsely imprison them from entering their home. For instance because you don't recognize someone isn't good enough reason to falsely imprison them. You can ask but they don't really have to respond to you. It's not like the guy had a gun or something, there was literally no reason. Here reason was "you walked in from the street", again which isn't good enough reason since EVERYONE does that to get in from the front door
I'm aware of that. Again, the point is, why do you have to make something out of nothing. If you are a resident and/or homeowner in that building, shouldn't you have an understanding of wanting to ensure the building remains safe - it is your home afterall.

The whole ordeal could have been prevented by a simple, "Yes I do live here. Here's my fob. Enjoy your evening."

Confrontational people like to escalate, often turning things into a bigger deal, because they take it personal, not understanding the other point of view.

What if your place got broken into? Wouldn't you be asking, "how the hell did the person get into the building (aka your home)?". If so, then you need to share in the responsibility of helping to keep it safe and secure. But maybe you wouldn't care if your place got broken into, I don't know.
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Corleone187 wrote:
Oct 17th, 2018 10:18 am
You can simply note their description or take a photo of them if you're uncertain but you can't falsely imprison them from entering their home. For instance because you don't recognize someone isn't good enough reason to falsely imprison them. You can ask but they don't really have to respond to you. It's not like the guy had a gun or something, there was literally no reason. Here reason was "you walked in from the street", again which isn't good enough reason since EVERYONE does that to get in from the front door
Definitely loved that line... "you walked in from the street". I guess other residents in that condo either only drive or have teleports.
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Oct 17th, 2018 11:02 am
I'm aware of that. Again, the point is, why do you have to make something out of nothing. If you are a resident and/or homeowner in that building, shouldn't you have an understanding of wanting to ensure the building remains safe - it is your home afterall.

The whole ordeal could have been prevented by a simple, "Yes I do live here. Here's my fob. Enjoy your evening."

Confrontational people like to escalate, often turning things into a bigger deal, because they take it personal, not understanding the other point of view.

What if your place got broken into? Wouldn't you be asking, "how the hell did the person get into the building (aka your home)?". If so, then you need to share in the responsibility of helping to keep it safe and secure. But maybe you wouldn't care if your place got broken into, I don't know.
Not sure who's the more confrontational there, at least from the video the woman was the one who kept on escalating it. Didn't the guy already said what you suggested? Didn't he literally say out the super's name? Where do you draw the line to comply to commands from a complete stranger asking you to do such and such and stop you from going home?
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Corleone187 wrote:
Oct 17th, 2018 10:18 am
You can simply note their description or take a photo of them if you're uncertain but you can't falsely imprison them from entering their home. For instance because you don't recognize someone isn't good enough reason to falsely imprison them. You can ask but they don't really have to respond to you. It's not like the guy had a gun or something, there was literally no reason. Here reason was "you walked in from the street", again which isn't good enough reason since EVERYONE does that to get in from the front door
Preventing someone from entering their home is not "falsely imprisoning them". Preventing them from leaving their home (or anywhere else) would be.
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Oct 17th, 2018 11:24 am
Preventing someone from entering their home is not "falsely imprisoning them". Preventing them from leaving their home (or anywhere else) would be.
With the other option being what? The street? How will the guy sleep and eat? She prevented him from leaving the streets :lol:
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boyohboy wrote:
Oct 17th, 2018 11:15 am
Definitely loved that line... "you walked in from the street". I guess other residents in that condo either only drive or have teleports.



Not sure who's the more confrontational there, at least from the video the woman was the one who kept on escalating it. Didn't the guy already said what you suggested? Didn't he literally say out the super's name? Where do you draw the line to comply to commands from a complete stranger asking you to do such and such and stop you from going home?
I don't believe he showed his entry fob. Else he could have just let her close the door. Tap and be on his way...but instead, he decided to go through the effort of pulling out his phone to start recording, which is way more effort.

Why did he do that? Because he defaulted into thinking this was a race thing, as opposed to a homeowner/resident thing. I don't blame him for thinking that, but not everything is necessarily a race thing.
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kenchau wrote:
Oct 17th, 2018 12:25 pm
I don't believe he showed his entry fob. Else he could have just let her close the door. Tap and be on his way...but instead, he decided to go through the effort of pulling out his phone to start recording, which is way more effort.

Why did he do that? Because he defaulted into thinking this was a race thing, as opposed to a homeowner/resident thing. I don't blame him for thinking that, but not everything is necessarily a race thing.
That's part of the problem. She *may* have been overzealous, but there's no evidence supporting the notion that she is a racist other than the fact that he happens to be black.
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Oct 17th, 2018 12:38 pm
That's part of the problem. She *may* have been overzealous, but there's no evidence supporting the notion that she is a racist other than the fact that he happens to be black.
How about the part where he used his key to enter his apartment, then she called the cops on him even after that? Maybe a bit more than overzealous and more than *may*! :lol:
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kenchau wrote:
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I don't believe he showed his entry fob. Else he could have just let her close the door. Tap and be on his way...but instead, he decided to go through the effort of pulling out his phone to start recording, which is way more effort.

Why did he do that? Because he defaulted into thinking this was a race thing, as opposed to a homeowner/resident thing. I don't blame him for thinking that, but not everything is necessarily a race thing.
It was actually a good move for efficiency because it prevents it from happening again and again if you were just to fall over. It's like writing a computer program or writing a script to automate tasks. You have to look at the big picture of efficiency with the initial time investment spent.

For instance I heard management said that she was in the wrong and no longer will be loitering around there!
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kenchau wrote:
Oct 17th, 2018 12:25 pm
I don't believe he showed his entry fob. Else he could have just let her close the door. Tap and be on his way...but instead, he decided to go through the effort of pulling out his phone to start recording, which is way more effort.

Why did he do that? Because he defaulted into thinking this was a race thing, as opposed to a homeowner/resident thing. I don't blame him for thinking that, but not everything is necessarily a race thing.
he KNEW the super's name... and he had his key to open his OWN condo door... yet the woman still called the cop. Who was escalating thing, you tell me...
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Whip out his fob, tap and be done.
From what I see, there's no front desk/concierge there, the lady has the right to be concerned when he tries to go through the door without his fob, and afterwards refuses to show his fob.
Yes, call the cops after seeing he has keys to his door is over the edge.

So at the end, neither of them did the right thing, just two idiots duking it out, very typical now-a-days.
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boyohboy wrote:
Oct 17th, 2018 1:51 pm
he KNEW the super's name... and he had his key to open his OWN condo door... yet the woman still called the cop. Who was escalating thing, you tell me...
I'm not talking about the whole aftermath. I'm talking about initially, when he tried to walk in through the door right behind her..."tailgating"/"piggybacking". She would have asked him an honest question, "do you live here?".

At THAT point, he could have simply said, "yes. here's my fob. I'll tap myself in." Then the whole situation is over! Done with! Instead of pulling out his fob, he pulls out his phone, and starts recording because he assumed she's racist for questioning if he lived there because she didn't recognize him, and simply wanted to verify.

We don't know at which point, she actually called the cops, just that the cops showed up afterwards.

He knowingly, went through the trouble of pulling out his phone to start recording the situation, when he could have ended the situation right in the beginning, with less effort. THIS IS THE POINT PEOPLE!!!
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TBH I think she wanted a date and to strike up a conversation! She was just being sly. She certainly wasn't afraid of him

Her actions were obviously abnormal. For instance if you film the front door, tell me when this situation occurs again? Hours? Days? Weeks? I've never seen it happen.

The thing is women will destroy you IF they are upfront about these things and get rejected so there needs to be another method of approach that will salvage the ego

I had a situation when I was in Uni where my boss literally wanted to fight me and would argue with me for no reason at work. It was so bad because I'm such a nice guy that I kept wondering why does this person hate me for no reason!?

Then one night after work she got into my car and wanted to go back to her place. So I said ok and after I dropped her off at her place she wouldn't get out of the car. So I kept thinking is this the same person that hates me?!
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