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Cop goes home and shoots and kills stranger in her home - woops cop went to wrong unit - now arrested and charged

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Corleone187 wrote:
Oct 17th, 2018 9:28 am
C'mon man, I have a more upscale condo that has concierge 24/7 right at the door and I've NEVER seen this EVER. What where people let the door close then swipe this card? You know how inefficient this would be? There would be a line up :lol:
I live in an upscale condo as well. It does happen.

The concierge can't man the desk every minute. Residents are instructed not to hold the door open (unless of course, you know the resident) and to provide their buzzcode to food delivery people (initial rule was for residents to come down to the lobby to pick up their food, but that changed to full delivery). Concierge is instructed to stop anyone they see who enter the lobby without using their fob - if that person is not recognized as an owner/tenant. Delivery people/guests who are buzzed in still need to check in with front desk.

A lot of times as I'm entering the main lobby from outside and I see someone I don;t recognize loitering at the entrance/intercom and they follow me in when I open the door, I'll pass front desk to see if they'll stop to check in. If no guard is there and they don't stop and keep following me to the next set of fob activated doors, which allows access to the entire building, I'll pause and politely mention to them that guests (or deliveries) are required to sign in. Simple as that. I won't push the issue any more. Some actually stop, but quite a few also keep following me.. At that point, I'll just turn off to the mail room or stop and sit in the lobby to check my messages/check emails. Usually over those couple minutes, the guard shows up and sees the person hanging around and asks if they need help/tell them they need to sign in.

This also happens in office buildings as previously mentioned. On our floor, we had a full height glass/metal turnstile installed - only one person can enter per card swipe.
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the_hoff wrote:
Oct 17th, 2018 5:30 pm
I live in an upscale condo as well. It does happen.

The concierge can't man the desk every minute. Residents are instructed not to hold the door open (unless of course, you know the resident) and to provide their buzzcode to food delivery people (initial rule was for residents to come down to the lobby to pick up their food, but that changed to full delivery). Concierge is instructed to stop anyone they see who enter the lobby without using their fob - if that person is not recognized as an owner/tenant. Delivery people/guests who are buzzed in still need to check in with front desk.

A lot of times as I'm entering the main lobby from outside and I see someone I don;t recognize loitering at the entrance/intercom and they follow me in when I open the door, I'll pass front desk to see if they'll stop to check in. If no guard is there and they don't stop and keep following me to the next set of fob activated doors, which allows access to the entire building, I'll pause and politely mention to them that guests (or deliveries) are required to sign in. Simple as that. I won't push the issue any more. Some actually stop, but quite a few also keep following me.. At that point, I'll just turn off to the mail room or stop and sit in the lobby to check my messages/check emails. Usually over those couple minutes, the guard shows up and sees the person hanging around and asks if they need help/tell them they need to sign in.

This also happens in office buildings as previously mentioned. On our floor, we had a full height glass/metal turnstile installed - only one person can enter per card swipe.
I've never seen the concierge not there in my condo and I go out unusual times like 4-5am in the morning. There is at least 1 if not 2 people at the front at all times, never is it empty.

I've never seen a situation like this. You can do the math, how many people are in a building? On average well say 700-800 people in a 30 floor building. So according to Dunbar's number you can possibly only recognize maybe 100 people by face which would leave a massive lineup at the front door with the other 700 people, and we all know this isn't the case. No one asks 7 out of 8 people they pass by, especially when you're exiting the building and have to be somewhere, you just don't have time for games or chit chat
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I used to be a security guard at a front desk of an office building. The client's rules were that everyone who passed by was supposed to show me their building pass. It was a small building, though, so we got to know just about everyone in the building. Occasionally there would be a person who we wouldn't recognize for various reasons (maybe they were new, maybe they normally didn't come in during our shift hours, etc.. so if they happened to be a person we didn't recognize we would ask to see their pass. Sometimes they happened to be white, sometimes they happened to be black.

One day a person came in who I didn't recognize and who happened to be black came in. I asked to see his pass, and while he obliged he clearly seemed to wonder why I had singled him out. I never heard back about it, so I figure he just didn't think much of it and moved on. For all he knew, maybe I would only ask to see the ID of black people. The reality was, I've asked plenty of white people to see their ID. Of course, he wouldn't have known that.
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So what I’m gathering from this is to never buy a condo, people shutting the door on your face, concierge checking everyone that comes in lol wow my gf used to live in a condo and she could only have a visitors pass for 15 days out of a 30 day month like wtf parking lot was always empty. Good ole mondeo drive baby, no we live in a 10 acre place and don’t even see the neighbors or talk to them. How much is peace and quiet worth to you, A ton.
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shawn01 wrote:
Oct 25th, 2018 10:18 am
So what I’m gathering from this is to never buy a condo, people shutting the door on your face, concierge checking everyone that comes in lol wow my gf used to live in a condo and she could only have a visitors pass for 15 days out of a 30 day month like wtf parking lot was always empty. Good ole mondeo drive baby, no we live in a 10 acre place and don’t even see the neighbors or talk to them. How much is peace and quiet worth to you, A ton.
It's all fake. No one shuts the door in anyone's face and people don't know all 700 residents + guests.

I really don't know where all this stuff is coming from :lol:
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Looks like I what I thought, they decided to charge her with murder. Manslaughter wasn't possible since she intended to shoot him, it wasn't like an accident or anything
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Corleone187 wrote:
Nov 30th, 2018 6:47 pm
Looks like I what I thought, they decided to charge her with murder. Manslaughter wasn't possible since she intended to shoot him, it wasn't like an accident or anything
Considering how many of the usual suspects who tried to justify this shooting. Guess the grand jury was mistaken in the indictment for murder.
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maddawg wrote:
Dec 1st, 2018 7:52 pm
Considering how many of the usual suspects who tried to justify this shooting. Guess the grand jury was mistaken in the indictment for murder.
By "usual suspects" do you mean "people who don't rush to conclusions and want to wait to see until the event is investigated"?
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kenchau wrote:
Oct 17th, 2018 9:57 am
I know it's inefficient. But I'm speaking from experience where we've had incidents at both work office and condo building. It's been brought up as a concern at our Condo AGMs from residents. Whether it's food delivery or what have you, they just walk on through, when visitors should be buzzing up regardless. Break ins do happen.

My point is, if it's not someone you recognize, doesn't hurt to ask. If someone didn't recognize me and asked if I lived in my building, how difficult is it for me to just let them be on their way, and just tap myself in with a fob. Not difficult at all.

Why make something out of nothing. A Condo building is not a public place, it's a private community of homeowners and residents who need to all share in ensuring it's a safe and secure space. Concierge isn't at the desk every second of the day. They will do the same thing and ask people walking on through that they don't recognize, if they live in the building.

A good rule to follow is myob. If the man was white, would she have spent all that time harrasing him? Probably not. She profiled him and tried to do the securities job. If I were him, I'd also be upset and wouldn't show her anything. Who the hell does she think she is?
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blaznazn22 wrote:
Dec 2nd, 2018 8:13 am
A good rule to follow is myob. If the man was white, would she have spent all that time harrasing him? Probably not. She profiled him and tried to do the securities job. If I were him, I'd also be upset and wouldn't show her anything. Who the hell does she think she is?
She is a resident of the building and has a right to ask. All you see is a video from a black man who assumes he's been racially profiled, but she might have done the same to a white man or woman.

Condo is a private home community, not a public place. Period.

You don't MYOB when it's your home. Or are you okay with randoms walking into your property, down the side of your house or into your backyard?
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kenchau wrote:
Dec 2nd, 2018 7:17 pm
She is a resident of the building and has a right to ask. All you see is a video from a black man who assumes he's been racially profiled, but she might have done the same to a white man or woman.

Condo is a private home community, not a public place. Period.

You don't MYOB when it's your home. Or are you okay with randoms walking into your property, down the side of your house or into your backyard?
Stop kidding yourself. She profiled him, and she never would have done the same thing to a white man. That's the fact.

Also, the security is there for a reason, it's not her business to play security. The security asks not to open door for strangers but there is no policy at any condo for a resident to physically and verbally confront another person stranger or not. Its abuse of a person's rights as you can see clearly and what if that person she confronted really did turn out to be dangerous? I guess she'd win Darwin's award in that case.
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blaznazn22 wrote:
Dec 2nd, 2018 10:02 pm
Stop kidding yourself. She profiled him, and she never would have done the same thing to a white man. That's the fact.

Also, the security is there for a reason, it's not her business to play security. The security asks not to open door for strangers but there is no policy at any condo for a resident to physically and verbally confront another person stranger or not. Its abuse of a person's rights as you can see clearly and what if that person she confronted really did turn out to be dangerous? I guess she'd win Darwin's award in that case.
Asking if a person lives in the same building and not letting them follow you in is not an abuse of a person's right. Every resident is given a fob, so they should be able to get in of their own accord. As a resident of a condo building, I am not required to let anyone in with me - not my responsibility to.

You clearly don't understand the difference between public property and a home community (which is private property).
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I understand both sides' reasoning, but sometimes one's gotta handle things w/ kid gloves because the accused was probably subjected to many of these 'inquisitions' in his life and has a chip on his shoulder and will take it the wrong way even if the accuser would ask any strange person. It's a tricky balancing act.
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tranquility922 wrote:
Dec 3rd, 2018 2:11 pm
I understand both sides' reasoning, but sometimes one's gotta handle things w/ kid gloves because the accused was probably subjected to many of these 'inquisitions' in his life and has a chip on his shoulder and will take it the wrong way even if the accuser would ask any strange person. It's a tricky balancing act.
It is. But my whole point was, if you live there. Let the door close, tap in on your own with the fob to be done with the whole matter.

Instead of going through the trouble, hassle, and effort to pull out your phone and start recording. All these other folks can't see the simplicity of that.

Furthermore, if you have a chip on your shoulder, and you misinterpret something that can be plausible, that's your own fault - not another person's fault.

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