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Decades of Sexual Harassment Accusations Against Harvey Weinstein

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mr_raider wrote:
Oct 20th, 2017 3:05 am
Except this isn't the first time a judge has blown it in a rape case.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada- ... -1.3311574

He acquitted this one and just told her to keep her knees together.

Or how about this one:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/ ... -1.4012225


Judge says drunk woman can consent.

Seems to me the bigger issue is Canadian judges have serious problems understanding the concept of consent.
I agree Judge paid the price for his stupidity.
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Oct 20th, 2017 9:19 am
And in at least the first case, that "judge" is no longer on the bench having been held to account for his stupidity.
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lecale wrote:
Oct 19th, 2017 5:39 pm
Well here's one for you guys, it's not sexy assault if you didn't know that it is. You could argue the same for Weinstein: he didn't know that his passes crossed the line? Didn't know the culture had changed?

Ottawa man not guilty of sexual assault because of honest belief he could have sex with wife anytime
http://nationalpost.com/news/local-news ... 9af250d627
He wasn't found guilty because of his belief that raping his wife isn't rape, he was found guilty because they couldn't prove he'd done it beyond a reasonable doubt.

It's obvious he'd done it multiple times and will probably continue to do it in the future, but they couldn't prove any single event happened to a legal standard. Important distinction. As much as both I and the judge want to see this guy tossed in jail forever, he didn't have legal grounds to find him guilty.
Could HAVE, not could OF. What does 'could of' even mean?
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Piro21 wrote:
Oct 20th, 2017 11:15 am
He wasn't found guilty because of his belief that raping his wife isn't rape, he was found guilty because they couldn't prove he'd done it beyond a reasonable doubt.

It's obvious he'd done it multiple times and will probably continue to do it in the future, but they couldn't prove any single event happened to a legal standard. Important distinction. As much as both I and the judge want to see this guy tossed in jail forever, he didn't have legal grounds to find him guilty.
No, they couldn't find mens rea, a guilty state of mind, and intent to cause harm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea
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Piro21 wrote:
Oct 20th, 2017 11:15 am
He wasn't found guilty because of his belief that raping his wife isn't rape, he was found guilty because they couldn't prove he'd done it beyond a reasonable doubt.

It's obvious he'd done it multiple times and will probably continue to do it in the future, but they couldn't prove any single event happened to a legal standard. Important distinction. As much as both I and the judge want to see this guy tossed in jail forever, he didn't have legal grounds to find him guilty.
Indeed. Let's remove the cultural issues, which AFAIK is not a legit defense. Ignorance of local customs is no excuse to break the law. If we look at the case in abstract, we have two married people, where one is accusing the other or rape. Although sexual assault during marriage is legally possible and a crime, it's extraordinarily difficult to prove.

There is no reliable DNA evidence, for obvious reasons. No external witnesses, unless the assailant injured the defendant to the point she had to seek medical attention. And to make it worse, there may instances of consensual sex that preceded or followed the assault in question. It comes down to who the judge believes. If there are any other circumstances, like a divorce proceeding, a custody battle, or even a long delay until charges are laid, it makes it harder to make the case.

The prosecutor has a tough job here, and I don't envy him/her.
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Jane Fonda: Weinstein accusers get media attention because they're 'famous and white'
If I could find the link I could confirm what she says. But you guts this there may be truth to this?
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sandeeS wrote:
Oct 27th, 2017 3:20 pm
If I could find the link I could confirm what she says. But you guts this there may be truth to this?
@sandeeS I'll give you a hand, it's an article found on Fox News.
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@[sandeeS] I'll give you a hand, it's an article found on Fox News.
actually its from MSNBC interview with Chris Hays. But anyway I know almost all the sources of these quotes.
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actually its from MSNBC interview with Chris Hays. But anyway I know almost all the sources of these quotes.
Then please provide link to interview on MSNBC, we'd love to see that :D
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Piro21 wrote:
Oct 20th, 2017 11:15 am
He wasn't found guilty because of his belief that raping his wife isn't rape, he was found guilty because they couldn't prove he'd done it beyond a reasonable doubt.

It's obvious he'd done it multiple times and will probably continue to do it in the future, but they couldn't prove any single event happened to a legal standard. Important distinction. As much as both I and the judge want to see this guy tossed in jail forever, he didn't have legal grounds to find him guilty.
You're almost right.

However, you stopped short of the key term.. intent.

Assault.. intent.. one and the same.
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Oct 27th, 2017 4:48 pm
Then please provide link to interview on MSNBC, we'd love to see that :D
really? Its in same link you posted, right?
In an interview with MSNBC’s Chris Hayes on Wednesday, Fonda and her friend, longtime activist Gloria Steinem, were asked about the Weinstein scandal that has rocked Hollywood, Variety reported.
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On the next episode, Kevin Spacey. The part of the Toronto Star that I thought was funny was when the "House of Cards" show gets cancelled (due to Spacey), but the show's producers showed up on set once this made news, to "make sure the actors and crew continue to feel safe and supported."

Essentially: "I'm going to fire you cast and crew, even though it's not your fault, but here, I'm going to make sure you feel safe and supported." Well, if you want them to feel safe and supported, give them other jobs!

Also, here's my prediction for generations to come: as part of their job contract all aspiring actors/musicians/etc., they will have to contractually consent to any and all form of sexual contact with anybody.
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