akira1971 wrote: ↑Jul 6th, 2017 10:35 amOff-Topic is so toxic right now from both sides of the political spectrum that it's not even funny anymore. And this can certainly be traced back to when RFD decided to allow political/religious discussions. I'm sure RFD has the numbers, but I get a feeling that there's been a significant drop in OT participation/unique views over the last two years. To me, the same agitators appear again and again just to argue over each other in various threads.
If RFD won't push Politics/Religion into a subforum, at least enforce strict rules to keep it mostly civil. WorldIRC got it right this morning in the Khadr thread - any taunts/insults should be an infraction. Hate for moderators to become language police, but the behaviour has to be curbed. We can start with the usual taunts like: Snowflakes; leftard; rightard; wingnut; Selfie PM/boy; etc.
TomRFD wrote: ↑Jul 6th, 2017 11:11 amIt's possible we might separate out political/religious discussions from regular Off Topic soon. I'm sure enough people don't want to see or participate in them. I was hoping we'd have category filtering as a way to remove them from users view (if they didn't want to see them) but that's still a ways away.
IMO, politics as a subforum in OT is a very poor solution to the nasty flamewars rotting RFD-OT. Politics is a very important and interesting topic to debate if there's some basic civility in the debates. A more sensical solution would be to penalize by the book every violation of the RFD forum rules (personal attacks, flamebait, thread crapping, language, etc) as soon as they are reported/verified -- regardless of severity and without the mods getting into debates about who started the flaming, for example, if a post is reported and found out to be violating the RFD rules, it's granted automatically a non-contestable infraction, three strikes and the user is out [temp or perm ban depending on the offenses]. This should send out the message: behave or get out! Since most of these posters are redditors more than rfdealers, the RFD community has little (good quality content posters) to lose. This is a case where a few rotten apples are spoiling the entire warehouse. -- RFD used to have a very informative tool that would allow getting some stats about the participants on a given thread, if you were to apply that tool to the flame war threads in OT, you could easily see that those threads "popularity" and top of the list high ranking is due to a feuds among a really very small group of posters [given some metrics like posts:posters ratio, for example].DiceMan wrote: ↑Jul 6th, 2017 5:26 pmI think that's a positive step - separating OT. Again, I don't necessarily want political/religous threads gone as I'd like to wade into that pit once in a while to see what's going on. But it would be a breath of fresh air not to see the same posters day after day after day posting the same stuff in main OT.
RFD is a moderated forum [which is fantastic!], the introduction of the downvoting system has been marvelous to deter the typical threadcrapping posts on most categories, but it'd be too prone to retaliatory or disagreement downvoting if implemented in RFD-OT. So allowing downvoting in OT is out of question.
Putting politics in a separate category (non moderated / lightly moderated subforum ) would alienate, as it's currently doing, most regular posters wishing to discuss issues of governance, economic policies and pure politics. It'd be the reddit-ation of RFD.
ITOH, a topic that should really banned in off topic is religion: it's a personal issue that has been politicized through hate speech generalizations (mudslinging from haters of A or B or C religion or nationality or ethnic background, etc) and brings nothing of value to the forums [other than a toxic environment, poor public image for YPC-RFD and a lot more useless workload for the mods/admins team]. Definitely, religion discussions have to be removed from RFD-OT.
The YPG-RFD admins seem to be mistaken about the composition of the RFD members universe disregarding the bulk of them, particularly women and non-extremist posters. Maybe they should take a better look to the popularity of threads and rediscover who the actual universe of RFD members (and audience) is and who actually contribute positively to the forums (as revenue generators, as quality content providers, as engaged constructive forumers, etc)
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