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Disclosure of fee

Hi all. I work for a non for profit and we have several volunteer working groups from industry. We are budgeted but only to cover facility rental and catering. A memeber of the group invited a speaker. I was in discussion with the speaker to arrange a 1 hour presentation. Not once was it disclosed that a fee would be charged and how much it would costs. 1 month later she sends me an invoice for $2000.

I take partial blame for assuming this was pro bono. But is there legislation requiring a contractor/consultant to disclose fees before services rendered?
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I don't understand why you expect free service. If you wanted free service, you should have let the potential presenter know before hand.

I think people are willing to provide free service sometimes but be upfront about it.

Don't bother asking people to look up for legislation for you. You are presented with a bill, if you want it lowered, discuss it with the person who gave you the bill.

Maybe they will be nice enough to pro bono it now.
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Poppwl wrote:
Dec 4th, 2017 10:11 am
I don't understand why you expect free service. If you wanted free service, you should have let the potential presenter know before hand.

I think people are willing to provide free service sometimes but be upfront about it.

Don't bother asking people to look up for legislation for you. You are presented with a bill, if you want it lowered, discuss it with the person who gave you the bill.

Maybe they will be nice enough to pro bono it now.
I don't know why someone would expect to get paid for performing a service as part of a volunteer working group...

As far as the OP goes... I don't think there would be specific legislation to protect you. If needed, it would probably go to small claims court if you can't work out an arrangement. You would both present your case to the justice, and he would decide. The fact that the speaker didn't discuss the fee up front will be a big mark against them, IMHO. The onus would be on the speaker to prove that he was entitled to that fee, since he's the one claiming he was wronged.

But the best approach (as stated by the previous poster) is to discuss it with the speaker and remind them that you're a non-profit, and dealing with volunteers. If you can't work something out, then worry about your legal standing.

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newby1983 wrote:
Dec 3rd, 2017 10:30 pm
Hi all. I work for a non for profit and we have several volunteer working groups from industry. We are budgeted but only to cover facility rental and catering. A memeber of the group invited a speaker. I was in discussion with the speaker to arrange a 1 hour presentation. Not once was it disclosed that a fee would be charged and how much it would costs. 1 month later she sends me an invoice for $2000.

I take partial blame for assuming this was pro bono. But is there legislation requiring a contractor/consultant to disclose fees before services rendered?
I would tell the speaker to stuff it. They should have stated there was a fee. Remaining silent and thinking that means explicit acceptance of whatever fee they are going to charge, which fee is not even disclosed as to amount or the fact that there is even one, does not entitle them to a fee. By the logic of people commenting on here if the fee was $500,000 then you owe it. Hardly! Sheesh! Now I've heard it all (well maybe not as RFD keeps offering up more amazing stories).

The fact you are a non-profit makes the whole episode even more egregious on behalf of the speaker. It's probably their modus operandi as they realize most people would tell them to take a hike if they knew there was a fee and that it was $2K.
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eonibm wrote:
Dec 5th, 2017 7:43 pm
I would tell the speaker to stuff it. They should have stated there was a fee. Remaining silent and thinking that means explicit acceptance of whatever fee they are going to charge, which fee is not even disclosed as to amount or the fact that there is even one, does not entitle them to a fee. By the logic of people commenting on here if the fee was $500,000 then you owe it. Hardly! Sheesh! Now I've heard it all (well maybe not as RFD keeps offering up more amazing stories).

The fact you are a non-profit makes the whole episode even more egregious on behalf of the speaker. It's probably their modus operandi as they realize most people would tell them to take a hike if they knew there was a fee and that it was $2K.
Only two comments were made, and only one of those thought the OP should just blindly pay up...

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CNeufeld wrote:
Dec 6th, 2017 10:46 am
Only two comments were made, and only one of those thought the OP should just blindly pay up...

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Yes and that is 100% of the replies on this thread up until mine.
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eonibm wrote:
Dec 6th, 2017 2:18 pm
Yes and that is 100% of the replies on this thread up until mine.
One comment out of 2 comments made is 50%...

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If there was no contract stating how much you agreed to pay then I wouldn't give her anything. Maybe pay for her travel expenses.

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