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By ditching carbon-tax plans, Ontario's Tories become the Stupid Party again

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blaznazn22 wrote:
Feb 12th, 2018 7:14 pm
Cons are just as socialist/commie as the liberals. No, they're worse. At least the liberals boosted min wage. The commie conservatives are happy to screw over our free market in order to benefit the rich. Patents, IP, infinite trademarks...these communist rules don't exist in a pure free market but the con jobs will never scrap these rules. That's 1 reason I despise the cons more than the liberals. They pretend to be capitalists but are just another group of neo commie scum bags out to line the pockets of the rich at the expense of the masses. If you're going to pretend to be capitalists, then don't support commie policies in any form.
Canada is extreme left, so the cons here are much closer to center left than extreme right.

but this has nothing to do with capitalism or socialism.

its all down to corruption. all of it.

"how much money can i steal or pay my friends, from public funds, before im out of office" - 99.9% of all politicians
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Buggy166 wrote:
Feb 12th, 2018 7:22 pm
Canada is extreme left, so the cons here are much closer to center left than extreme right.

but this has nothing to do with capitalism or socialism.

its all down to corruption. all of it.

"how much money can i steal or pay my friends, from public funds, before im out of office" - 99.9% of all politicians
Public funds haha, that is a joke. A majority of those funds go to the socialist programs we have. Politicians do something far worse than skim the fat from public coffers. They sell out to private individuals/businesses and change policies in order to get kickbacks/a cushy job after getting booted from office. There is no integrity in the business community. The existence of government is a curse for this reason.
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Buggy166 wrote:
Feb 12th, 2018 7:22 pm
Canada is extreme left, so the cons here are much closer to center left than extreme right.

but this has nothing to do with capitalism or socialism.

its all down to corruption. all of it.

"how much money can i steal or pay my friends, from public funds, before im out of office" - 99.9% of all politicians
Are you sure you got your stats right?
My research indicated that quote is stated 99.9% of the time by backseat drivers who have zero practical experiences with the things they are actually criticizing. They prefer checkers over chess, and freak out whenever they see chess moves. Too elite.
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shikotee wrote:
Feb 12th, 2018 7:31 pm
Are you sure you got your stats right?
My research indicated that quote is stated 99.9% of the time by backseat drivers who have zero practical experiences with the things they are actually criticizing. They prefer checkers over chess, and freak out whenever they see chess moves. Too elite.
Of course i have zero practical experiences with stealing money from public funds. I'd be in jail if i did. I wasnt born into a rich family, nor do i have friends in the right places to cover my illegalities.
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rocking23nf wrote:
Feb 12th, 2018 11:11 am
in AB, they forced a carbon tax on everyone and then turn around and give it all back to the lower income families, if this was a "save the earth" plan, shouldn't the lower income people do the same savings and reducing?
No. It's meant to be a progressive tax that costs heavy users more while not penalising those that can least afford an additional tax, ie low income people who have little extra to pay. The only way we'll reduce our consumption and carbon emissions is if we're forced to pay more to burn more. Otherwise, why shouldn't we all be like this guy from this thread?

"Fuel efficiency isn’t my fortay 23.4L/100km haha

2018 Mercedes-Benz E63S Sedan. 80L tank, for 394Km per tank haha.

Not as bad as my 6.2L C63 at 26.1L/100km

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/mileage- ... s-2166630/

Some people look on consumption as something to be proud of and they should have to pay through the nose!
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I don't understand thia stance. I guess they have to appeal to thier base to get elected, but it seems odd since even if they do get rid of it, it'll just be implemented by the Federal Liberals.

That has already been stated. They would be better off coming out with a new carbon tax plan that plays more to the right wing but lkeeps control of the program away from the Feds.


Personally I'd love to see all of Canada dump it somce our country is carbon negative, but that's not going to happen so why pretend to fight it like you're actually going to accomplish anything?
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Evil Baby wrote:
Feb 12th, 2018 8:51 pm
I don't understand thia stance. I guess they have to appeal to thier base to get elected, but it seems odd since even if they do get rid of it, it'll just be implemented by the Federal Liberals.

That has already been stated. They would be better off coming out with a new carbon tax plan that plays more to the right wing but lkeeps control of the program away from the Feds.


Personally I'd love to see all of Canada dump it somce our country is carbon negative, but that's not going to happen so why pretend to fight it like you're actually going to accomplish anything?
dumb logic, parotted by conservatives that our "country" is carbon negative. Your argument would work if climate change or global warming followed the made up rules of politicians and governments. You need to realize that nature doesn't care about fake borders, pollution is still the same everywhere. Whether someone in india does it or someone in the north pole or someone here its all the same. In the case of pollution/climate change its every man for himself. This isn't a country issue but a world issue.
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Buggy166 wrote:
Feb 12th, 2018 4:14 pm
that doesnt make sense. you hate conservatives more than liberals because of liberal stupid taxes?

liberals = tax and spend other people's money
cons = tax cuts and government job cuts
Jesus Christ you really going to sit there and try to make me believe that conservatives/tories have not given us tax increases, or slapped a stupid fee on us or raised gasoline prices on us at the pumps when they were in power?
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MusicBox wrote:
Feb 13th, 2018 7:08 pm
Jesus Christ you really going to sit there and try to make me believe that conservatives/tories have not given us tax increases, or slapped a stupid fee on us or raised gasoline prices on us at the pumps when they were in power?
no of course not.

That said, which party always taxes and spends more? Always always. There's a clear choice there.

Also not sure what gas prices you talk about. Both in BC and Ontario the liberals have been in power for decades and the taxes on gas only kept going up. Now, another cash grab under the guise of carbon tax.
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Buggy166 wrote:
Feb 13th, 2018 11:42 pm
no of course not.

That said, which party always taxes and spends more? Always always. There's a clear choice there.

Also not sure what gas prices you talk about. Both in BC and Ontario the liberals have been in power for decades and the taxes on gas only kept going up. Now, another cash grab under the guise of carbon tax.
You do realise that the BC Liberals are the former Social Credit party, the right wing party in the province, don't you?
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MusicBox wrote:
Feb 13th, 2018 7:08 pm
Jesus Christ you really going to sit there and try to make me believe that conservatives/tories have not given us tax increases, or slapped a stupid fee on us or raised gasoline prices on us at the pumps when they were in power?
Um, Lieberals have been in power in Ontario for like 15 years and have single handedly destroyed this province (virtually bankrupted it) and destroyed the manufacturing industries that used to exist here. The additional new taxes we pay because of Libs is ridiculous. Don't even think about saying Conservatives would be 'worse' or the same when we have been getting screwed for 15 years.
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blaznazn22 wrote:
Feb 13th, 2018 12:04 am
dumb logic, parotted by conservatives that our "country" is carbon negative. Your argument would work if climate change or global warming followed the made up rules of politicians and governments. You need to realize that nature doesn't care about fake borders, pollution is still the same everywhere. Whether someone in india does it or someone in the north pole or someone here its all the same. In the case of pollution/climate change its every man for himself. This isn't a country issue but a world issue.
Of course nature doesn't care about borders but our forest can only affect what is in our borders. Furthermore, by taxing our industry before profits are even made the argument can be made that we are pushing even more industry out of our country and towards those counties that have very little emission controls.

If Ontario was actually able to separate the taxes it collects I could possibly swallow this pill but since we can and it all just goes into general coffers, to me this is nothing more than another tax scheme that isn't actually accomplishing anything.
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Evil Baby wrote:
Feb 12th, 2018 8:51 pm
I don't understand thia stance. I guess they have to appeal to thier base to get elected, but it seems odd since even if they do get rid of it, it'll just be implemented by the Federal Liberals.

That has already been stated. They would be better off coming out with a new carbon tax plan that plays more to the right wing but lkeeps control of the program away from the Feds.


Personally I'd love to see all of Canada dump it somce our country is carbon negative, but that's not going to happen so why pretend to fight it like you're actually going to accomplish anything?
The right wingers hate the idea of carbon tax. Creating a new one is not going to work. They dont believe in climate change and they hate taxes.

That is like asking the left to add a pro gun, anti abortion stance in our platform. That is just not going to happen.

You cant force their base to believe in science when they dont. The word conservative itself means to conserve/preserve.[/b] They should actually be the ones leading the charge here. It goes to show you that their base is way out there.
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Evil Baby wrote:
Feb 14th, 2018 8:20 am
to me this is nothing more than another tax scheme that isn't actually accomplishing anything.
Any time you increase the price of an object, you will decrease demand. If adding a carbon tax makes some people reduce their consumption, then it's accomplishing something. It also encourages innovation and efficiency in the transportation industry, further reducing carbon output.
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kevindurant1 wrote:
Feb 14th, 2018 9:37 am
The right wingers hate the idea of carbon tax. Creating a new one is not going to work. They dont believe in climate change and they hate taxes.
This is factually incorrect. A lot of fiscal conservatives believe in climate change and love carbon taxes. The "left" wing are the people who hate carbon taxes because it's a regressive tax. So they do everything they can to avoid making a real carbon tax while still calling it a "carbon tax". See Alberta and their carbon tax rebates. Carbon taxes should be regressive as the goal is to reduce emissions. If you emit more you should pay more and a real carbon tax would create an incentive for people to decrease their emissions to decrease their tax burden. Decreasing taxes also goes against everything the "left" believes in and so they don't like real carbon taxes.

I think we should have a massive carbon tax and it should be balanced by reductions in income taxes. You'd see emissions crater as it would make financial sense for people to invest in cleaner energy and emission reductions. The people selling you the "carbon tax" of today don't actually care about reducing emissions.

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