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Do japanese cars like toyota and honda really hold up to their name in terms of reliability?

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koffey wrote:
Jan 24th, 2018 2:33 pm
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That's not even all of them... Like every goddamb thread about which suv/cuv I should buy turns into a massive d**k measuring contest of who can prove what manufacture is more reliable than the next or someone straight out asks the question.

Answer is, no manufacture is more reliable than the next because all their parts are from the same shit bargain bins. Your precious Honda/Toyota/Lexus/Acura/Ford/Caddy/GMC/Audi/VW/MB/Lambo/Ferrari are all hand crafted pieces of shit. No? Prove me wrong... That's why no one drives the expensive ones and all the other ones are sold to the masses sporting 'german/japanese/british/blah blah engineering'.

It's all marketing, branding and everyone buys into their crap. And for some unforeseen stupidity, everyone needs to keep asking the same question.

Awards! JD power gives awards to banks! Consumer Reports takes the highest payout!

/rant
They may use the same parts, but how the system is designed will make a big difference. If your system puts undue pressure and stress on a certain part, it will fail earlier. And with the higher performance engines this is more of an issue. So even if all the parts are quality parts, their use in the system level will have a major difference.

You can put your head in the sand, but the fact remains that Japanese cars are cheaper to maintain and last longer. Just look on the streets and you'll see the evidence by the ratio of old:new cars.
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WinterSleep wrote:
Jan 24th, 2018 5:15 pm
I test drove the BMW 320i and honestly it didn't have anything more advanced than your typical civic. All the normal stuff really, and the sound quality of the speakers was subpar/normal. The engine power / acceleration felt hardly any different than my current civic...
You should try Corolla may be there would be no difference to you too, try to get it in beige :)))
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koffey wrote:
Jan 24th, 2018 2:33 pm
I skydive (started last year), have motorcycles, cars and trucks. In all fairness, there is no such thing as reliability anymore. Please stop beating these threads to death. It's full of opinions.

Since Jan 1st 2018 a list of threads discussing reliability excluding this one.

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That's not even all of them... Like every goddamb thread about which suv/cuv I should buy turns into a massive d**k measuring contest of who can prove what manufacture is more reliable than the next or someone straight out asks the question.

Answer is, no manufacture is more reliable than the next because all their parts are from the same shit bargain bins. Your precious Honda/Toyota/Lexus/Acura/Ford/Caddy/GMC/Audi/VW/MB/Lambo/Ferrari are all hand crafted pieces of shit. No? Prove me wrong... That's why no one drives the expensive ones and all the other ones are sold to the masses sporting 'german/japanese/british/blah blah engineering'.

It's all marketing, branding and everyone buys into their crap. And for some unforeseen stupidity, everyone needs to keep asking the same question.

Awards! JD power gives awards to banks! Consumer Reports takes the highest payout!

/rant
Post of the year and it's only January!

It's refreshing to see someone not posting shit. It was a rant but a well deserved one.
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WinterSleep wrote:
Jan 24th, 2018 2:42 am
What the hell are you talking about? I clearly said you must follow the owner manual recommendations to the T. What you were arguing was you don't agree with the owner manual, and think doing the oil change twice as frequently will make your car more reliable. As though you know more than the engineers who designed the car in the first place.

Why are you putting words in my mouth?
I'm arguing that based on my driving style, I and other drivers who engage in recreational motorsport activities require oil changes more frequently than the owners manual and manufacturer recommends, because I plan on keeping my vehicle long term and would prefer to avoid long-term engine issues by not replacing the oil as needed. I made this fairly obvious, but you still think that my more frequent oil changes at every 6-7000kms are unnecessary and a waste of money because extra oil changes aren't going to make my car more reliable. Of course oil changes won't make my car MORE reliable, that's a ridiculous statement. But they're certainly going to help prevent long term engine damage/wear secondary to high temperatures and the high rev range that my engine and turbo car exposed to during the summer months.
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i have a toyota yaris and have owned it for 5 years and have had 0 issues. just general maintenance such oil changes, breaks etc.....the car has treated me very well. i had a oxygen sensor break which had to be replaced and it was like $1100 i think at the dealership to bring the part from japan and install it and thankfully it was covered under warranty, i havent had an issue with that ever since. so id recommend a toyota for sure, they are very reliable as long as you do the maintenance and treat the car well. i plan on buying a corolla next.
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WinterSleep wrote:
Jan 24th, 2018 8:02 pm
They may use the same parts, but how the system is designed will make a big difference. If your system puts undue pressure and stress on a certain part, it will fail earlier. And with the higher performance engines this is more of an issue. So even if all the parts are quality parts, their use in the system level will have a major difference.

You can put your head in the sand, but the fact remains that Japanese cars are cheaper to maintain and last longer. Just look on the streets and you'll see the evidence by the ratio of old:new cars.
That has to be one of the dumbest things I have read lately. In NA the big 3 Germans don't sell anywhere near as many cars as the Japanese. Common sense dictates less cars on the road as a result.

Flip that around in Europe and how few Japanese cars there are, does that mean they are unreliable and why theres so few on the road there?
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WinterSleep wrote:
Jan 24th, 2018 8:02 pm
You can put your head in the sand, but the fact remains that Japanese cars are cheaper to maintain and last longer. Just look on the streets and you'll see the evidence by the ratio of old:new cars.
Sampling bias. The same thing could be said about German cars if you lived in Germany. There are plenty of old German vehicles in that country from the 80s-90s that are still on the streets. But yes in NA at least, Japanese cars are absolutely less expensive to maintain and repair.
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WinterSleep wrote:
Jan 24th, 2018 5:15 pm
I test drove the BMW 320i and honestly it didn't have anything more advanced than your typical civic. All the normal stuff really, and the sound quality of the speakers was subpar/normal. The engine power / acceleration felt hardly any different than my current civic...
Honestly, if you didn't notice any difference between a RWD sedan with around 180 hp and your sixteen year old FWD civic which produces approximately 115 hp I'd argue that the biggest issue isn't the cars but rather it's you. I'm not a BMW fan and I can't say I would buy a 320i (way too overpriced for what you get), but to suggest that your car and the BMW feel comparable when it comes to power output seems like quite the stretch.
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I've owned an Infiniti. Compared to my Audi, and now my Mercedes, the Infiniti was the worst (reliability wise), followed by the Audi, and followed by the MB (the most reliable car with the lowest TCO) i've ever owned.
Don't be a cooch.
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EP32k2 wrote:
Jan 24th, 2018 8:39 pm
That has to be one of the dumbest things I have read lately. In NA the big 3 Germans don't sell anywhere near as many cars as the Japanese. Common sense dictates less cars on the road as a result.

Flip that around in Europe and how few Japanese cars there are, does that mean they are unreliable and why theres so few on the road there?
It was implied that I meant old:new ratio for both brands.. As in compare the ratio of old vs new.. Get it?
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superangrypenguin wrote:
Jan 24th, 2018 9:34 pm
I've owned an Infiniti. Compared to my Audi, and now my Mercedes, the Infiniti was the worst (reliability wise), followed by the Audi, and followed by the MB (the most reliable car with the lowest TCO) i've ever owned.
Doesn't say much because Infiniti is garbage. Not all Japanese cars are made equal. Mitsubishi is one of the least reliable brands of all time. German cars are the same way - MB is much more reliable than VW, which is much more reliable than a Mini (basically the Mitsubishi of Germany).
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board123 wrote:
Jan 24th, 2018 10:24 pm
Doesn't say much because Infiniti is garbage. Not all Japanese cars are made equal. Mitsubishi is one of the least reliable brands of all time. German cars are the same way - MB is much more reliable than VW, which is much more reliable than a Mini.
While I'd love to jump in, here are my n's.

N of Japanese cars = 1
N of Audis = 1
N of MBs = 1

I dont have a large enough sample size for any brand to come up with anything conclusive.
Don't be a cooch.
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superangrypenguin wrote:
Jan 24th, 2018 10:26 pm
While I'd love to jump in, here are my n's.

N of Japanese cars = 1
N of Audis = 1
N of MBs = 1

I dont have a large enough sample size for any brand to come up with anything conclusive.
No you don't. That's why there are research firms who aggregate data from customers like you to form larger sample sizes.
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board123 wrote:
Jan 24th, 2018 10:29 pm
No you don't. That's why there are research firms who aggregate data from customers like you to form larger sample sizes.
I don't buy the results of C&D or JDpower. But with places like TrueDelta, (which I think is great), the problem is that they don't have a large enough N size for luxury vehicles. For example, the A8 isn't on there, and neither is the S class (from what I remember). It's difficult to get the data that you and I are looking for.
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superangrypenguin wrote:
Jan 24th, 2018 10:30 pm
I don't buy the results of C&D or JDpower. But with places like TrueDelta, (which I think is great), the problem is that they don't have a large enough N size for luxury vehicles. For example, the A8 isn't on there, and neither is the S class (from what I remember). It's difficult to get the data that you and I are looking for.
The data for luxury models is mostly inconsequential for what we're discussing here for two reasons.

1. If you're not in the market for an A8 or S-class, then that data is irrelevant to you anyway.

2. If you are in the market for such a car, then you can make a reasonable assumption that their reliability would be in line with the overall brand reliability, or of the next level down (e.g. A7 or E-class). The top end models don't contribute enough sample data to make a significant impact on the overall data set. If, for instance, the A4 accounts for 75% of Audi data, while the A8 accounts for 1%, then any variation in the A8 data will have little to no impact on the reliability of Audi as a whole.

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