Do you think if Obama were running for office in Canada not the US, he would win?

[Hitman21]

lol @ killed bin laden

He has done absolutely nothing worth a vote.

I would never vote for him. A man of double standards. Didn't he say he wanted to attack on a nuclear-armed Pakistan?


All American leaders are warmongers.

obama has been a horrible president and many people dont understand this but he is just a continuation of George Bush. He has only helped to make the US even worse

[flashy_mcflash]

All American leaders are warmongers.

You know, I was thinking about this the other day, probably because I was watching Ides of March, but I sometimes wonder whether politics in the US just attracts a special kind of scumbag, or if it makes regular people into scumbags. I mean, I'm being extreme obviously but in a lot of ways, the US political system is set up in a way that you pretty much have to be or become a pretty morally-bankrupt, jingoistic sociopath.

Even though it's starting to go that way, Canada is nowhere close to that bad when it comes to election tactics and the level of lobbying and horse-trading required to attain a seat of power and influence. So I wonder if Obama would be a different kind of candidate than he was in the States? I mean, he doesn't seem like a bad guy deep down, at least not in the way that Rick Santorum or John Edwards seem to be.

[transitguy1]

You know, I was thinking about this the other day, probably because I was watching Ides of March, but I sometimes wonder whether politics in the US just attracts a special kind of scumbag, or if it makes regular people into scumbags. I mean, I'm being extreme obviously but in a lot of ways, the US political system is set up in a way that you pretty much have to be or become a pretty morally-bankrupt, jingoistic sociopath.

Even though it's starting to go that way, Canada is nowhere close to that bad when it comes to election tactics and the level of lobbying and horse-trading required to attain a seat of power and influence. So I wonder if Obama would be a different kind of candidate than he was in the States? I mean, he doesn't seem like a bad guy deep down, at least not in the way that Rick Santorum or John Edwards seem to be.

I agree, lets hope Canada never turns into such, gotta watch Harper though, hope he doesn't change much before he is sent packing by Canadians.
Every vote must be turned into Liberal, NDP or even PQ, anything but conservative!

[toalan]

For those who think obama is a horrible president, which president was the last president that was not horrible?

[LostInTruth]

I mean, he doesn't seem like a bad guy deep down, at least not in the way that Rick Santorum or John Edwards seem to be.

That dude scares me.

[Hitman21]

I agree, lets hope Canada never turns into such, gotta watch Harper though, hope he doesn't change much before he is sent packing by Canadians.
Every vote must be turned into Liberal, NDP or even PQ, anything but conservative!

The NDP and Liberals would destroy Canada.

[joe_greps]

Obama 2012? No.

Obama 2008? Could win anywhere, worth remembering most Dems thought the primaries were a formality in appointing Hillary, he came out of nowhere after giving some of the finest speeches during the primaries I have ever seen in my lifetime, Reagan included.

His " Yes we can" speech may be the most memorable, but the speech he gave at the close of the preceeding primary was an absolute masterpiece. In a hundred years if someone wrote a book on how to write great election speeches that one could still be chapter one.

The question was not about his abities as a leader, it was about his ability to get elected, in that regard he is one of the 20th centuries finest, Canadians have not seen a politician with those qualities since Trudeau.

[stealth]

For those who think obama is a horrible president, which president was the last president that was not horrible?

I would say Clinton...but have to concede that as a rising tide floats all boats, Clinton benefitted from having far better circumstances during his terms than the next 2 presidents have.

But that said, if you think Bush was a horrible pres (and many thought he was), its hard to make a case that Obama has been significantly less horrible. Obamas strenth has been as a figurehead/mascot more so than as a true leader.

[stealth]

You know, I was thinking about this the other day, probably because I was watching Ides of March, but I sometimes wonder whether politics in the US just attracts a special kind of scumbag, or if it makes regular people into scumbags. I mean, I'm being extreme obviously but in a lot of ways, the US political system is set up in a way that you pretty much have to be or become a pretty morally-bankrupt, jingoistic sociopath.

Even though it's starting to go that way, Canada is nowhere close to that bad when it comes to election tactics and the level of lobbying and horse-trading required to attain a seat of power and influence. So I wonder if Obama would be a different kind of candidate than he was in the States? I mean, he doesn't seem like a bad guy deep down, at least not in the way that Rick Santorum or John Edwards seem to be.

I dont know how you can make that determination....Obamas image has been so manufactured and hes been so supported by the MSM. I domnt feel like I know anythign about that stiff, other than what his spin doctors put out there, and they would have us believe hes Superman.
Kind of the way Tiger Woods image was fabricated...at least until it became no longer controllable.
Does Harper seem like a "bad guy deep down"? Or did McCain? IMO, none of them did/do. But its kind of irrelevant.
Chretien came across like a nut, but thats what a lot of ppl liked about him.
TBH, IMO even Palin never came across as a bad person, just really loopy, and unbefitting the office.

[cheapmeister]

Would he win in Canada, sure. He is a great speaker, that has charisma.
He cannot get a thing done in the US because the republicans never agree to anything, so nothing will get done ever, except for one thing-war. Both the dems and repubs will only agree on one thing-war. Its funny how they do not want universal healthcare for their own citizens. Funny thing is Romney has is own version of 'Obama care'. They call it 'Romney care'. I dunno, guess the US is full of a lot of low-life peeps so the gov't don't want to spend money on its own low-life citizens.

Also about the pipeline, its good that he cancelled the whole thing. Why should he build it if nobody wants it? Environmentalists, the farmers whose land the pipeline has to cross over all reject the pipeline. Who wants the pipeline? Canada, big oil companies, contractors to build the line. Thing is when the line leaks oil, or someone sabotages the line, they will blame Obama for that catastrophe, so again he would have done nothing right by building it.

[pablonutribar]

That dude scares me.

I love what happens when you enter "Santorum" into a google search. I bet he calls google every other day, and pleads with them to remove that result from the search list.

[sandikosh]

Abama would not win. There are not enough black leaders in canadian cities to support him.

[Hitman21]

Would he win in Canada, sure. He is a great speaker, that has charisma.
He cannot get a thing done in the US because the republicans never agree to anything, so nothing will get done ever, except for one thing-war. Both the dems and repubs will only agree on one thing-war. Its funny how they do not want universal healthcare for their own citizens. Funny thing is Romney has is own version of 'Obama care'. They call it 'Romney care'. I dunno, guess the US is full of a lot of low-life peeps so the gov't don't want to spend money on its own low-life citizens.

Also about the pipeline, its good that he cancelled the whole thing. Why should he build it if nobody wants it? Environmentalists, the farmers whose land the pipeline has to cross over all reject the pipeline. Who wants the pipeline? Canada, big oil companies, contractors to build the line. Thing is when the line leaks oil, or someone sabotages the line, they will blame Obama for that catastrophe, so again he would have done nothing right by building it.

The republicans never agree to anything because obamas policies will destroy the US. The pipeline should have been built because it would have created a lot of jobs which the US desperately needs. Those environmentalists are extremists who oppose any oil and know nothing about it, obama needed their money which is why he cancelled the pipeline. It was all for political reasons, obama screwed a lot of Americans .

[hagbard]

If the other choice is Harper, who cares.

[stealth]

Would he win in Canada, sure. He is a great speaker, that has charisma.
He cannot get a thing done in the US because the republicans never agree to anything, so nothing will get done ever, except for one thing-war. Both the dems and repubs will only agree on one thing-war. Its funny how they do not want universal healthcare for their own citizens. Funny thing is Romney has is own version of 'Obama care'. They call it 'Romney care'. I dunno, guess the US is full of a lot of low-life peeps so the gov't don't want to spend money on its own low-life citizens.

Also about the pipeline, its good that he cancelled the whole thing. Why should he build it if nobody wants it? Environmentalists, the farmers whose land the pipeline has to cross over all reject the pipeline. Who wants the pipeline? Canada, big oil companies, contractors to build the line. Thing is when the line leaks oil, or someone sabotages the line, they will blame Obama for that catastrophe, so again he would have done nothing right by building it.

re: Bolded....the problem with that logic ie that the party in power cannot get anything doe due to the interference by the opposing party, is that it MUST mean that the DEMS did NOT oppose BUSH's initiatives while he was in power, and therefore were eithe complacent or in agreement with everything the REPs did in the 2 previous terms......Hmmmmm.....
That isn't the way the DEMS like to tell it. So either the logic is flawed ie basically a lame cop out excuse for being ineffective while in power, or an admission of guilt for neglect of duty while being the opposition. You pick.