Trevor, can you talk more about 6 - estimated deaths? I was under the impression these numbers are by and large an estimate, with a huge variance, hardly ever the primary reason for death, nor are they even TESTED to have influenza. Not saying it cannot be fatal for the immune compromised, but that speaks more to it's efficacy for people who are vulnerable, which doesn't include most. Please help me understand this from this CDC article:TrevorK wrote: ↑Apr 19th, 2017 9:47 pm1/2: Seem fair - not reasons to skip the flu shot but are accurate statement.
3: Incorrect - for example the mumps vaccine is only about 88% effective after two shots: https://www.cdc.gov/mumps/vaccination.html
4: The researchers do not just guess - they use their education, experience and research to dictate what strains are most likely to be common. You are insulting their work by equating it to a "guess". Where are you getting your effectiveness numbers from? The CDC shows that the 2014-15 flu vaccine was not 0% so I am curious where these numbers are coming from
5: True but I don't see why that' a reason not to get it
6: Many people die from the flu. The CDC estimated in 2012-13 about 56,000 people died from influenza related causes in the United States alone. That classifies as serious to me when we have something that may prevent some (not all of course) of them.
7: I'm sorry your province does not cover it. If you cannot afford it, that's certainly a reason to skip it. But the province does not cover many things that you would not typically skip - for example my province does not cover dental care but that does not mean dental care is not a good idea.
Everyone is able to choose what vaccines they would like to get for themselves and their dependents. What is important is having accurate information to make your decisions.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/u ... act-number
"Does CDC know the exact number of people who die from seasonal flu each year?
CDC does not know exactly how many people die from seasonal flu each year. There are several reasons for this. First, states are not required to report individual seasonal flu cases or deaths of people older than 18 years of age to CDC. Second, seasonal influenza is infrequently listed on death certificates of people who die from flu-related complications. Third, many seasonal flu-related deaths occur one or two weeks after a person’s initial infection, either because the person may develop a secondary bacterial co-infection (such as bacterial pneumonia) or because seasonal influenza can aggravate an existing chronic illness (such as congestive heart failure or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease). Also, most people who die from seasonal flu-related complications are not tested for flu, or they seek medical care later in their illness when seasonal influenza can no longer be detected from respiratory samples. Sensitive influenza tests are only likely to detect influenza if performed within a week after onset of illness. In addition, some commonly used tests to diagnose influenza in clinical settings are not highly sensitive and can provide false negative results (i.e. they misdiagnose flu illness as not being flu.) For these reasons, many flu-related deaths may not be recorded on death certificates. These are some of the reasons that CDC and other public health agencies in the United States and other countries use statistical models to estimate the annual number of seasonal flu-related deaths."
How many people die from seasonal flu each year in the United States?
"a single estimate cannot be used to summarize influenza-associated deaths. Instead, a range of estimated deaths is a better way to represent the variability and unpredictability of flu."
It goes to list that annual estimates change over the years based on numerous data points, some range from 3000 to 49000, another from 12000 to 56000
So, while even a low estimate is not something to ignore, isn't this still estimates at best? And how many otherwise healthy individuals (non immune compromised) are part of the total estimated deaths? Being immunocompromised, IMO, would be the only reason why I would get the flu vaccine. And since these aren't even verifiable tests, but estimates, can't we have some healthy scepticism of those figures? (which can vary so wildly from year to year)
One more serious question: Since we're clearing up myths, I have a question. I've been told that getting the vaccine will protect your family, or those who cannot/do not receive the vaccine. However, isn't the spread of flu bacteria on surfaces, handles, etc. How does having the vaccine prevent me from touching a surface with the bacteria, forgetting to wash my hands, going home, etc...