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[eBay.ca] Breville Clearance Outlet: Refurb Breville BES870XL Barista Express, 6 mo Breville warranty- $399.99, free ship

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sanam79er wrote:
Jul 16th, 2019 2:56 pm
Thank you. Reasonable as I believe Smart Pro is superior to the built-in Dose Control and having a new machine with longer warrantee brings more peace of mind. On the other hand, I am thinking as the two are not too different in size (especially width), it may be good to get the one with the grinder and delay buying the independent grinder until I find an exceptional deal on a grinder. Then again the counter argument would be probably a simple manual grinder in short term can serve this purpose too. Thinking Face I probably am thinking too much about it now. Face With Rolling Eyes
I would personally be buying the best grinder I could afford and worry about the machine at a later time, but a lot of people seem to insist on spending most of their money on the machine.
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mopex wrote:
Jul 16th, 2019 3:07 pm
I would personally be buying the best grinder I could afford and worry about the machine at a later time, but a lot of people seem to insist on spending most of their money on the machine.
Thanks for the response. As much as I understand the importance of the grinder, it seems the machine is important too. You too, have spent > 2 times the price if the grinder on the machine (which makes sense too me).
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sanam79er wrote:
Jul 16th, 2019 4:00 pm
Thanks for the response. As much as I understand the importance of the grinder, it seems the machine is important too. You too, have spent > 2 times the price if the grinder on the machine (which makes sense too me).
Haha you're mixing us up I think :P I'm new to the coffee world btw so don't base your decision on me, but here are some of my personal factors:
- I was about to buy my first grinder anyways (I would grind with my Omega juicer before), and I mostly do Aeropress, I prefer that versatility of the SGP
- I don't have much experience so I'd rather something new than taking forever to figure out there is a problem with a refurb
- I have the option to upgrade the grinder and machine separately, or sell, or give away
- I can return the espresso machine if it doesn't work out, same for the grinder
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sanam79er wrote:
Jul 16th, 2019 2:56 pm
Thank you. Reasonable as I believe Smart Pro is superior to the built-in Dose Control and having a new machine with longer warrantee brings more peace of mind. On the other hand, I am thinking as the two are not too different in size (especially width), it may be good to get the one with the grinder and delay buying the independent grinder until I find an exceptional deal on a grinder. Then again the counter argument would be probably a simple manual grinder in short term can serve this purpose too. Thinking Face I probably am thinking too much about it now. Face With Rolling Eyes
I over think things like you but logic takes over. If you get the 870, you prob wont buy a grinder because it works well enough. Besides, the 870 takesup more counterspace and you want 2 grinders on it?
If you want new, I'd buy the grinder and the 840. Its more versatile and about the same price as buying a new 870 from best buy for $550
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jon604 wrote:
Jul 16th, 2019 5:33 pm
I over think things like you but logic takes over. If you get the 870, you prob wont buy a grinder because it works well enough. Besides, the 870 takesup more counterspace and you want 2 grinders on it?
If you want new, I'd buy the grinder and the 840. Its more versatile and about the same price as buying a new 870 from best buy for $550
Makes sense. Thanks. :-)
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sanam79er wrote:
Jul 16th, 2019 1:58 pm
Those who are a bit experienced with espresso machines, which one would you recommend at the same price (~$400) : New Infuser (BES840XL) or refurb Barista Express (BES870XL)?
If your budget is $800-$1000 buy a BES840XL and Baratza Sette 270 grinder. If your budget is $400-$600 buy the Breville Barista, no other combination can touch it for price/performance ratio. Warranty is a big consideration for Breville equipment because they are not really user serviceable, but if you follow the maintenance procedure as scheduled then you should be fine with regular home use. I've owned two baristas and they both gave me no issues.
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sanam79er wrote:
Jul 16th, 2019 2:56 pm
Thank you. Reasonable as I believe Smart Pro is superior to the built-in Dose Control and having a new machine with longer warrantee brings more peace of mind. On the other hand, I am thinking as the two are not too different in size (especially width), it may be good to get the one with the grinder and delay buying the independent grinder until I find an exceptional deal on a grinder. Then again the counter argument would be probably a simple manual grinder in short term can serve this purpose too. Thinking Face I probably am thinking too much about it now. Face With Rolling Eyes
From what I have read on many detailed discussions on forums, the built-in grinder is equivalent to the Smart Grinder Pro for espresso, better then the Dose Control.
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sanam79er wrote:
Jul 16th, 2019 4:00 pm
Thanks for the response. As much as I understand the importance of the grinder, it seems the machine is important too. You too, have spent > 2 times the price if the grinder on the machine (which makes sense too me).
Its not black and white when it comes to the ratio you spend on machine vs grinder. You sort of have to set different rules for Breville vs all other brands because Breville gives you much better value for your machine but it is not easily serviceable.

For Breville the starting point is BES840XL + Smart Grinder PRO which will cost around $700, or Barista Express. Both setups will give you equivalent espresso/latte capabilities.

Once you leave Breville, you are looking at doubling your budget to get marginally better quality. Something like a Gaggia Classic (single boiler) + Baratza preciso. Once you double your budget again you can go to a heat exchange machine + a preciso level grinder. Once you double your budget again you can go for a dual boiler + a better grinder then preciso. Just like headphones, the return on investment doesn't double with each doubling of the budget. Personally, I could stretch and spend $2000 on a setup but the Barista express has kept me happy for 2+ years and my coffee (to me) tastes better then 90% of the cafes in my city.

Also note the more you spend the more finicky the setup gets. The barista express is a nice balance between learning curve and enjoyment. Hone you skills on a barista express, learn your taste and buy fresh beans, or at least good quality packaged beans. It makes a world of difference. The biggest weakness of the barista express is its steaming ability, which is that it takes too long. Also note, once you are ready to upgrade, the barista express has a high resale value. In my city it is hard to find a used one for under $400.
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fatestkid wrote:
Jul 11th, 2019 12:59 pm

Back in may 2018 it was $336+tax. It was $400ish but there was a 20% off coupon. I don't think we will see that deal again though. I would totally recommend this machine for any price under $500, nothing else comes close unless you spend $1000+
Thanks for sharing this info; very useful. My budget right now is 400-600, but the plan is to keep improving the system gradually, which is why I thought it may be a good idea to get the one with the built-in grinder on a good sale, then keep my eyes open to find a good sale on a really good grinder, say within the next one year...
$336+tax for a new machine is almost u beatable, at least based on what I have seen in the market. BES870XL was for $478+tax (~550 + %20 discount) on Amazon at the first hour of the prime-day! It was tagged to be on sale for 24 hours, which is why I thought I’d wait until they open and call thebay and bestbuy to see if they’d price-match (especially thebay had a $40 discount on purchases > $250 that could make it a sweet deal)... but before they opened the price went up to $600 on Amazon and I missed the whole thing! Now I have to wait for a good deal again.
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fatestkid wrote:
Jul 17th, 2019 10:16 am
From what I have read on many detailed discussions on forums, the built-in grinder is equivalent to the Smart Grinder Pro for espresso, better then the Dose Control.
Oh, that’s good news. I thought it is equivalent to the Dose Control. :-)
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what's the difference in using the Cafiza tablets vs a few tablespoons of citric acid in the water chamber to clean it?
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As an FYI, I've ordered this on Monday and I've just received my machines (less than 48h after ordering! But I live close from the shipping warehouse). The machine looks brand new, all equipment is included and I haven't observed any cosmetic issue.
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K2` wrote:
Jul 17th, 2019 11:03 am
what's the difference in using the Cafiza tablets vs a few tablespoons of citric acid in the water chamber to clean it?
Not sure, I just use the Cafiza tablets as they are cheap and convenient. The machines uses it to backflush the internals. Not sure you would achieve the same thing going through the water tank. Logic says you will but I don't know the internal design.

Also everyone don't forget to decalcify using vinegar water mixture. The manual says to do both the Cafiza tablet and the vinegar water combo.
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