Engineering at McMaster or UofT??

[simms]

What I mean is if people has the impression that people needs to work harder in UofT (not necessary true), people may consider the student of UofT is better. Hence, better chance than Mc Student. I do not dispute about the connections and reputation of UofT is better.

Ah, I see what you're getting at. I believe generally hardER working people generally go to UT overall moreso than Mac because of the higher entrange avg needed for UT Eng compared to Mac, so the people in UT engineering will have the previous knowledge of working hard to get marks moreso because they generally have higher marks when applying to university.

But anyways, I see what you're getting at.

[emptypocket]

That's probably true, but that's also why UofT is UofT and why Mac is Mac. You're gonna have to be "better than that" to be at UofT's eng/biz program.

As far as "eng/biz" programs go comparing the two is unfair, since the U of T program offers an MBA whereas the Mac program offers a dual undergraduate degree. If Mac offered an MBA in their management stream of engineering I'm sure the demand from Mac Engineering students would be just as great.

[quanta]

Same with UT. You only take one course per semester that is "specialized", the rest you take with ppl from different streams.

Yes, but you're already locked into your own stream. If beatbox is unsure what to take, a general first year could help.

Same for UT.

From what I understand, it is much easier to switch degrees at Mac. One guy switched from Eng and Society to Eng and Honours Comp Sci in the second term of his fourth year.

UT does better than this, they give you a FULL Rotman MBA + Engineering degree in 7 years. 2 of the years are WORK terms so it's FIVE years for a FULL MBA instead of one more year. Plus Rotman is much more well known than.. whatever Mac's School of Business is.

Rotman's is definitely better than DeGroote MBA, but I don't think it's fair to compare a 5-year combo degree with a 7 year undergrad+graduate degrees...

Also Mac has internship programs (read: CoOp) as well.

BTW, to all the folks that equate entrance averages with school "toughness", I'm afraid that's not the case. A university is a business. It's all about supply and demand. If a university doesn't have enough seats in their lecture halls for incoming students, they raise the price of admission - the entrance average.

UofT is an excellent school. But so is Mac. UofT has the fame, but on recruiter is going to kick you out of bed if you went to Mac.

P.S. Both schools also have their share of professors who can't speak English and will drive you up the wall!

[beatbox]

simms you seem to know how the work load is at UofT
so if im at a B-/B average is that suffiecent enough to get me through...
and the correlation about Mac being easier than UofT i dont know if its true but everyone that i know has said that but they also said if you have worked hard enough to get an acceptance youll make it through but then again why dont you chill and work and go to Mac rather than work work work and maybe a little bit of chill and go to UofT

and in the acceptance letter it stated that my avg should not drop signifacantly and when i called them and asked till what average will you take students in she said that just maintain your current marks....but thats kind of hard to do and if it does drop and UofT says we cant take you what do i do then??
thanks

[mintchoco]

I'm guessing that admission to the skoll program at U of T is much more competitive for U of T Engineering students than a first year Mac Engineering student going for the Engineering and Management program at Mac.

Um...not really. When I graduated 0T4, the program wasn't that popular, and they were begging anyone to go into that program who wrote the GMAT.

[beatbox]

any one else?

[manho]

if youre definite about ECE, then UT
if not, but is interested in other engineering discipline, then Mac

the truth is, it only matters in the early stage of your career which school you went to, after that, it's all experience talk, especially in engineering

i heard my manager @ coop saying the more white hair an engineer has, the more ppl believes in wht he says

if you want to do coop job interviews during your midterm week, then go with waterloo

I was surprised I got into Waterloo (Geological Engineering) with my flat 80. I was even more surprised when I got their admission package and it said I need to maintain a 70% avg to retain my placement. Maybe they're really hurting for new undergrads?

GeoE and enviro doesnt need a high average. small class too. like 15 or 20 ppl for geo and 30 for enviro each yr i think. However, if youre interested in civil but didnt make the average, GeoE and EnvE are good stepping stones to pull your average without wasting a year.

a lot of programs only need you to maintain a 70 after the acceptance. i know that UT does that too