EPL Gossip Thread

[Fimo]

If you're black, as your past posts appeared to indicate, then I really pity you, defending an ******* like Suarez. But that's something you'll have to live with. He wouldn't have been banned if there was nothing but a single player's charge to go on.The video cameras, microphones, and/or other witnesses obviously backed Evra up.Not being obsessed with the case, like some at LFC (particularly the manager), I haven't bothered reading up on the details. But if you want to talk about harsh, undeserved extended punishments, you need to look no further than United. We have a long track-record of being penalised by the FA, presumably in hopes of allowing other clubs to catch up. Instead of sulking and moaning though, we get on with things regardless. That's why United are consistent champions, while LFC are perpetual also-rans. That situation obviously won't change under Dalglish.

LOL, yikes! You haven't even read the report yet come out with a statement like that? Talk about an OTT reaction. BTW, does it even matter if I'm black or not, what does colour have to do with it, unless one's a racist? As for telling me and other's what what to do or not to do, must be that oppressive, suppressive, discrimanatory British Colonial past still coursing through the veins I must say.

Really? Here's your problem in a nutshell: you spew stuff out of your mouth you don't really know what you're talking about.

It's clear you haven't read the details because if you had, then you would know that there was no video/microphone/other witness in the case other than Evra's accusations himself.

Ah, now I remember why I don't post in this thread... Overrun by a narrow minded ManUtd fan

+1 It's one thing to have arguments/banter with fans from other clubs but to alienate fans from his own club, now that's a special talent, its no wonder he has been banned from RFD before.

[Fimo]

Capello Out as England Manager

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16941457

I'm kind of surprised he quit.

Crapello should have gone after the dismal WC England had. Of course having a bunch of clowns for bosses does not help his cause one bit, no wonder Fergie thinks the England job is a "poisoned chalice". Let's see if 'Arry takes over eventually, talk is the Stuart Pearce and Gareth Southgate will fill in for the interim. Thankfully I am not an England fan.

[flexwong]

Stupid that Capello left. The FA are dumb (what else is new). Capello is a world class manager.

Maybe they'll replace him with Mourinho. That'd be entertaining. I hate him but he knows how to win...

[got_it_4_cheap]

The 20 richest soccer clubs based on revenue for the year ending June 30, 2011, as listed by accountancy firm Deloitte in its annual report released Thursday (2010 positions in parentheses):

1. Real Madrid, Spain, $636.5 million (1).

2. Barcelona, Spain, $598.3 million (2).

3. Manchester United, England, $487.2 million (3).

4. Bayern Munich, Germany, $426.6 million (4).

5. Arsenal, England, $333.3 million (5).

6. Chelsea, England, $331.6 million (6).

7. AC Milan, Italy, $312.1 million (10).

8. Inter Milan, Italy, $280.6 million (9).

9. Liverpool, England, $269.9 million (8).

10. Schalke, Germany, $268.7 million (16).


United's failure to qualify from the group stage of the Champions League this season will see the gap widen further next year, says Deloitte.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/02/...lubs-list.html

#1

[elty]

People are/were having unrealistic expectation on England, with or without Capello.

I don't think Redknapp is a good replacement, but it is probably either him or Pearce.

[hyperion]

You guys are wrong, it's obvious Capello stepped down to allow Roy Hodgson to step up the position.

[Tornado F2]

LOL, yikes! You haven't even read the report yet come out with a statement like that? Talk about an OTT reaction. BTW, does it even matter if I'm black or not, what does colour have to do with it, unless one's a racist? As for telling me and other's what what to do or not to do, must be that oppressive, suppressive, discrimanatory British Colonial past still coursing through the veins I must say.

You're not seriously defending Suarez by accusing ME of being racist are you? Sheesh! You and him belong together.

+1 It's one thing to have arguments/banter with fans from other clubs but to alienate fans from his own club, now that's a special talent, its no wonder he has been banned from RFD before.

A difference of opinion over Fergie is hardly alienation. And I'm not the one with the dissenting opinion either. As for an RFD ban, you must have a LONG memory. I sorted out the attack trolls ages ago. (By having them banned, as it should be).

[Tornado F2]

Thankfully I am not an England fan.

Well you couldn't be, could you, with your obvious anti-English prejudices.

[Tornado F2]

You guys are wrong, it's obvious Capello stepped down to allow Roy Hodgson to step up the position.

Woy wouldn't be my first choice, but then neither would 'Arry. If England seriously want to win international tournaments they'll need to resort to a defensive "never lose" approach. Sadly that's not going to be much fun to watch. Mourinho seems to have a knack for getting those sort of results, but I wouldn't want him in the job either. I can't off the top of my head think of anybody better than Capello, especially with the Euros fast approaching. It looks like the FA have cocked things up yet again.

Looking at the current EPL table, the best "never lose" managers are Fergie and Mancini - with 3 losses each. 'Arry has the best record for an English manager, with 4 losses. Maybe that's why he's considered the leader. But he couldn't really take on the job full time until the end of the season, so possibly that counts him out, at least until after the Euros.

Gary Neville's probably available... Or Steve Bruce.

[hyperion]

England's current crop of players simply isn't anything special. No world-class manager can turn them into world or Euro champion, unless there's some luck involved.

And TF2, you gotta stop scaring everyone that's not a ManU fan from this thread. Sometimes it seems like it's only me and you talking.

You're definitely wrong on the proof about Suarez. It was widely reported in the press that:
1. there was no other proof other than Evra's testimony
2. he was found guilty at a lower standard(read: less reliable) than "innocent until proven guilty" such as that used in a real court
3. there's a lot of cultural undertones and interpretation here (ie. who's culture takes precendence over whos, or should neither be superior?), on a very hot-button topic


and 4. I am tired of hearing about this crap.

[Tornado F2]

England's current crop of players simply isn't anything special. No world-class manager can turn them into world or Euro champion, unless there's some luck involved.

And TF2, you gotta stop scaring everyone that's not a ManU fan from this thread. Sometimes it seems like it's only me and you talking.

You're definitely wrong on the proof about Suarez. It was widely reported in the press that:
1. there was no other proof other than Evra's testimony
2. he was found guilty at a lower standard(read: less reliable) than "innocent until proven guilty" such as that used in a real court
3. there's a lot of cultural undertones and interpretation here (ie. who's culture takes precendence over whos, or should neither be superior?), on a very hot-button topic


and 4. I am tired of hearing about this crap.

+1 to #4 for sure. Somebody kill Kenny. (Or at least shut him up).



Was there really no other proof? With all the cameras and spectators present? Didn't Suarez himself admit to it, claiming that his own wife for some reason uses the same term for him? Still, it wouldn't be the first time somebody's been hung out to dry to set a public example. It's happened many times before to United players. Look at the length of Rio's ban - for what?

As for me "scaring" people, I really don't see why. I may have strong views on topics that are important to me, and I'm not afraid to express them, but I don't think any of my views are extreme, offensive, or otherwise upsetting. People who know me in real life would certainly not assign any of those undesirable traits to me. Believe it or not, I really am a nice guy. You just need to understand my sense of humour. I'd probably come across a lot clearer if I were on TV, rather than posting in a thread. Something of a Rick Mercer perhaps (but not gay).

[blzn]

You do go a bit harsh and get a bit extreme

From what I read, Suarez admitted he called Evra the 'n-word-used-in-Uruguay-to-mean-friend' in an attempt to calm him down. I highly doubt that was his objective as I think Suarez is a bit of a dirty player but not a racist, think he was just trying to get under Evra's skin.

[Tornado F2]

You do go a bit harsh and get a bit extreme

From what I read, Suarez admitted he called Evra the 'n-word-used-in-Uruguay-to-mean-friend' in an attempt to calm him down. I highly doubt that was his objective as I think Suarez is a bit of a dirty player but not a racist, think he was just trying to get under Evra's skin.

Ah, but even you've grown to love me, once you tuned in properly.

As for Suarez, if Fimo's not bothered by his use of the "n word" then why should we be? Other than the fact that it's clearly wrong, whoever it's coming from. Especially somebody in the public eye, who should be setting a better example.

My issue with Suarez has always been his cheating - ironically enough this first came to widescale attention when he upset all of black Africa at the WC with his blatant goalline "save". He then demonstrated his mastery of the cheater's art during last summer's S. American tourney, where he got one player after another carded with his dives, culminating in the sending off of Mascherano. But even all that can be laughed off to some extent, especially when coupled with all his wasted shots and prima-donna pouting. What really gets me is his blatant disregard for the safety of other players, as demonstrated by his assaults on Parker the other day. If he ends up seriously injuring another player, he really should be banned for life. Better still, he should be banned before somebody else gets injured, if he doesn't soon correct his ways.

[pavelbure10]

What if the next england manager names john terry as his captain, will the FA take his captaincy away again? No wonder england never wins. . .too much drama

[harpoon]

England's current crop of players simply isn't anything special. No world-class manager can turn them into world or Euro champion, unless there's some luck involved.

And TF2, you gotta stop scaring everyone that's not a ManU fan from this thread. Sometimes it seems like it's only me and you talking.

You're definitely wrong on the proof about Suarez. It was widely reported in the press that:
1. there was no other proof other than Evra's testimony
2. he was found guilty at a lower standard(read: less reliable) than "innocent until proven guilty" such as that used in a real court
3. there's a lot of cultural undertones and interpretation here (ie. who's culture takes precendence over whos, or should neither be superior?), on a very hot-button topic


and 4. I am tired of hearing about this crap.

the blocking doesn't help much when everyone quotes each other, I don't bother coming back much myself. It's too snipe-y and hateful here, not enough talk about what the topic is, "EPL gossip". Banter is cool but the place shouldn't resemble RAWK or Red Cafe. I like talking footy with fellow Canadians but this doesn't feel like the place anymore. Sinnacle was/is the MAN, even for a Mourinho fanboy.

Nice summary of the whole Suarez thing. I have people seeing me in LFC gear and asking me about our 'racist player' and I'm tired of explaining it. I'm not Suarez's biggest fan (I'm a Lucas and Kuyt fanboy, I have to admit it) but I know enough Spanish to know that what Suarez said was totally fine. Negro (with a soft 'e') is NOT racist, it's casual slang. Like someone said, Evra's story changed several times from "n***er at least 10 times" to "maybe 5 times". It was embarrassing for all concerned and could've been dealt with right after the game with an explanation as it was a misunderstanding at best.

I don't think any Red would call Luis an angel, and LFC don't hesitate to villify our own when something terrible happens like Diouf spitting at the Celtic fan years ago. He had to go, that was horrible, we all hated him after that although he'd started to hit some form.

It seems that the FA needed a victim, especially after Blatter's stupid comments, and they picked one. ANYWAY, we're all sick of this now, let's move on.

I think Saturday's game will be a 1-1 draw. I actually hope Carroll starts as he's hitting form at last and he terrorized Spurs, Wolves and Man U consecutively. His touch is improving and it's just a matter of getting players closer for his flick-ons. But I think Charlie Adam will screw something up and we'll concede. I'm not a fan, to put it kindly.