I wouldn't say anything because he chose to buy it. Maybe he is super rich and to him it is just pennies. Also I wouldn't feel comfortable lecturing about products especially if I don't work there. Consumers need to ask and research before buying and learn not to trust sales people. Also if I were to pick something up and someone is lecturing me about the product I want to buy, I wouldn't like it - after all, I research and read reviews prior to purchasing anything expensive.
Ethics re: Monster Cables at FutureShop
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- Blackmajik
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- jcon
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Keep in mind that the FS store is also private property and they could have asked you to leave.
I've seen it happen and rightly so.
I've seen it happen and rightly so.
- hightech
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- Dec 23, 2003
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I just let people buy what they want. If they strike up a conversation about something then I let them know.
- lorax1284 [OP]
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Well, not "might personally". It absolutely IS a rip off. It's in the same vein as snake oil: promising things it doesn't deliver on, plain and simple. Or using irrelevant technical mumbo jumbo to convince someone that they will perceive a difference when all they will perceive is a lighter wallet and / or some bizarre and unhealthy "my bitchin' rig has $200 cables!" sense of pride.
...and if someone is buying Monster cables at future shop, they ARE most likely uninformed.
My original question was about the propriety of telling the truth about Monster cables IN STORE! I NEVER EVER HESITATE to say "Excuse me... did you know..." to someone who I see doing something like this. I don't care if they look at me like I just called them something so filthy as as "monster cable evangelist", if they don't appreciate the advice, fine, but I'm never gonna stop giving it. I don't like to see people waste their money, and am willing to take THEIR scorn if the advice isn't appreciated... this question is about the business ethics of saying something in store (or, in earshot of an employee)
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- zoolander
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I am a monoprice believer but some people have a point here. There are certain video/audiophiles, probably a very small percentage who would want the better quality Monster cables at the premium price and truly saturate it with bandwidth from the tens of thousands of dollars of equipment they own.
For most of us, the picture/audio difference is negligible, and it's a ripoff.
For most of us, the picture/audio difference is negligible, and it's a ripoff.
- Astin
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- Feb 13, 2007
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Why would you say anything? Monster makes awesome stuff that is well worth the price. [/sarcasm]
At that juncture, it's best you kept quiet. Maybe he was buying it for someone who asked for that specific cable. Maybe he did his "research" and picked it, and would be insulted by some stranger telling him he's an idiot (because that's what it would come off as in that example). Or maybe he honestly didn't know any better... regardless, you don't know, so why bother?
If you'd just overheard an employee talking up the cable and he was still debating, then you might want to step in and save him some dough.
At that juncture, it's best you kept quiet. Maybe he was buying it for someone who asked for that specific cable. Maybe he did his "research" and picked it, and would be insulted by some stranger telling him he's an idiot (because that's what it would come off as in that example). Or maybe he honestly didn't know any better... regardless, you don't know, so why bother?
If you'd just overheard an employee talking up the cable and he was still debating, then you might want to step in and save him some dough.
- blakjak
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I would have said nothing as it's none of my business. The sales guy is just trying to do his job, and he's in his house, not mine. Had the old guy asked me for my opinion, however, I would have given it to him.
..and then I would have sold him one of my Monoprice cables for the bargain price of only $75! J/K
..and then I would have sold him one of my Monoprice cables for the bargain price of only $75! J/K
- mmmken
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Whatever you think about Monster and their cables is a personal opinion - I'm not going to argue with you, but I'm sure most people will agree. There are people do swear by Monster cables without any pressure from salespeople and do pay full price for them. They might not be for you, but if they've been still so selling well at Future Shop (and various other stores) for numerous years - there is definitely a market for them. By your train of thought, people who buy Mercedes and Lexus automobiles are "likely uninformed" when they can get a Hyundai for much less.lorax1284 wrote: ↑Well, not "might personally". It absolutely IS a rip off. It's in the same vein as snake oil: promising things it doesn't deliver on, plain and simple. Or using irrelevant technical mumbo jumbo to convince someone that they will perceive a difference when all they will perceive is a lighter wallet and / or some bizarre and unhealthy "my bitchin' rig has $200 cables!" sense of pride.
...and if someone is buying Monster cables at future shop, they ARE most likely uninformed.
My original question was about the propriety of telling the truth about Monster cables IN STORE! I NEVER EVER HESITATE to say "Excuse me... did you know..." to someone who I see doing something like this. I don't care if they look at me like I just called them something so filthy as as "monster cable evangelist", if they don't appreciate the advice, fine, but I'm never gonna stop giving it. I don't like to see people waste their money, and am willing to take THEIR scorn if the advice isn't appreciated... this question is about the business ethics of saying something in store (or, in earshot of an employee)
If you do not want me to sidetrack, fine. To answer your question about business ethics - yes, there are problems. It is private property and you will most likely be thrown out - not to mention looking like an idiot for something so trivial. You've done a disservice to both the store, yourself, and the customer - with no discernible benefit to anyone. You've also insulted the customer about his lack of intelligence and implied that he was ignorant. He'd probably lecture you about how awesome the cables were and you'd debate back with him - causing an unnecessary scene.
What ever happened to "mind your own business"?
- brunes
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- Dec 11, 2005
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You need a fifth poll option.... "Do nothing, because it is darwin in action".
I refuse to help people who won't even take any time to educate themselves as to what they are buying. Any google search at all on this topic would bring you the answer. On top of that it has been featured in countless "on your side" TV shows and even in national papers.
I refuse to help people who won't even take any time to educate themselves as to what they are buying. Any google search at all on this topic would bring you the answer. On top of that it has been featured in countless "on your side" TV shows and even in national papers.
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- tabrisfreewill
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- Dec 12, 2007
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He might have his reasons for getting the expensive cables. Was it a digital or analog cable?
And besides, he might end up not taking your advice even after you told him that monster cables are rip. Which would make yourself look like a fool in front of the employee and other customers.
And besides, he might end up not taking your advice even after you told him that monster cables are rip. Which would make yourself look like a fool in front of the employee and other customers.
- sexyblackbmw
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Some of you guys worry WAY TOO MUCH about other peoples wallets.
Keep it to your self, and worry about your own wallet IMO.
Keep it to your self, and worry about your own wallet IMO.
- jackwest
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Every post including the OP is wrong. The answer is non of the above: Leverage the situation to your advantage.
Jackwest PM Tip #49B:
Leverage other customers part B.
I'm walking through the store and I'm looking for an associate for a PM. I find someone handling a customer who looks pretty skeptical about a deal/warranty/overpriced accessory. I enter the situation and pretend that I am just patiently waiting for the deal to end. I examine the uninformed customers reluctance and I signal to the rep that I know what is going on. I then offer advice to the customer, using something that suggests that I have authority/knowledge about the item, politely or feigned annoyance, as appropriate.
This signals to the rep that I know what I am talking about and helping him make the deal. Then when I move to my PM, he will usually give it because he know's who's he dealing with.
Now for this situation, I would do several things based on my mood and the city. If you are unlikely ever to see this person again/big city, I would just let it pass.
If it was a small city and the person looks important/useful to you, offer advice and suggest its not a good deal. If someone nearby annoyed you or you wanted to show something to the store, do the same. If you wanted to impress the cashier (who might want to do a PM with you later), also tell the truth to the customer.
Otherwise ignore it.
Jackwest PM Tip #49B:
Leverage other customers part B.
I'm walking through the store and I'm looking for an associate for a PM. I find someone handling a customer who looks pretty skeptical about a deal/warranty/overpriced accessory. I enter the situation and pretend that I am just patiently waiting for the deal to end. I examine the uninformed customers reluctance and I signal to the rep that I know what is going on. I then offer advice to the customer, using something that suggests that I have authority/knowledge about the item, politely or feigned annoyance, as appropriate.
This signals to the rep that I know what I am talking about and helping him make the deal. Then when I move to my PM, he will usually give it because he know's who's he dealing with.
Now for this situation, I would do several things based on my mood and the city. If you are unlikely ever to see this person again/big city, I would just let it pass.
If it was a small city and the person looks important/useful to you, offer advice and suggest its not a good deal. If someone nearby annoyed you or you wanted to show something to the store, do the same. If you wanted to impress the cashier (who might want to do a PM with you later), also tell the truth to the customer.
Otherwise ignore it.
- mmmken
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You let your big ego blind your analytical skills as well as your reading comprehension skills. The only time your PM's success depending on the salesperson's mood or attitude is a PM that is either not legitimate or it's in a gray area. Not only does your "tip" not apply the OP's situation, it's stupid.jackwest wrote: ↑Every post including the OP is wrong. The answer is non of the above: Leverage the situation to your advantage.
Jackwest PM Tip #49B:
Leverage other customers part B.
I'm walking through the store and I'm looking for an associate for a PM. I find someone handling a customer who looks pretty skeptical about a deal/warranty/overpriced accessory. I enter the situation and pretend that I am just patiently waiting for the deal to end. I examine the uninformed customers reluctance and I signal to the rep that I know what is going on. I then offer advice to the customer, using something that suggests that I have authority/knowledge about the item, politely or feigned annoyance, as appropriate.
This signals to the rep that I know what I am talking about and helping him make the deal. Then when I move to my PM, he will usually give it because he know's who's he dealing with.
Now for this situation, I would do several things based on my mood and the city. If you are unlikely ever to see this person again/big city, I would just let it pass.
If it was a small city and the person looks important/useful to you, offer advice and suggest its not a good deal. If someone nearby annoyed you or you wanted to show something to the store, do the same. If you wanted to impress the cashier (who might want to do a PM with you later), also tell the truth to the customer.
Otherwise ignore it.
Why? Pretend that I was a salesperson at Future Shop, and you were that "smart" customer talking to the customer with the Monster Cable as described by the OP. I'm also assuming that your PM is not entirely legitimate. If I noticed that you were being a bigot by advising random people not to buy things from my store, you can bet I wouldn't be doing any favours for you - let alone be impressed by your "knowledge". Had you read any of the previous posts (or the OP itself), you'd realize if you had pulled off your "advice" in this situation, you'd probably get laughed at by the supposed "uninformed" customer. In addition, you've just wasted a good chunk of your time.
Logically, salespeople are usually more flexible on gray areas for "good" customers (those that are either friendly or respectful).
If anyone is wrong here, it is you.
- user01
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I would not mind anyone's business so let him buy it since he can always return back to the store anytime...
- shannn
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If you talked to him (either in store or outside) that would have been a nice thing to do, but not necessary
Part of shopping is being an informed consumer...he chose to buy the cables b/c he did not ask around / look around to see quality differences...it was his own responsibility to know the product he was buying
You shouldn't feel guilty, but maybe next time it would be nice to tell someone about that kind of stuff if you were in the same situation...
And I find most oolder people are more resistant to the change of thought that brand = better
Heck, working in healthcare, it is hard to convince people that generic ASA works just as well as name brand Asprin...but what can you do?
Part of shopping is being an informed consumer...he chose to buy the cables b/c he did not ask around / look around to see quality differences...it was his own responsibility to know the product he was buying
You shouldn't feel guilty, but maybe next time it would be nice to tell someone about that kind of stuff if you were in the same situation...
And I find most oolder people are more resistant to the change of thought that brand = better
Heck, working in healthcare, it is hard to convince people that generic ASA works just as well as name brand Asprin...but what can you do?
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- brunes
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- Dec 11, 2005
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Your mistake started right there.
brunes's PM tip #1:
Always just go to the CS desk for PMs, at any store.
Sure you may have to wait in line for a second but your success rate for a valid PM will be 100% with no hassle, because people at the CS desk do not earn commission on sales and could care less what price you pay for the item, they are also trained better on store policies hand have more authority to adjust pricing.
Why anyone would *wait* for a sales associate on the floor to do a PM is beyond me - if you're going to wait, do it at the CS desk.
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- raymondly
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It is no different than trying to convince a Apple fanboy not to buy an iPod when there are better and cheaper mp3 players.
Maybe it is their opinion that Monster cables are the best and higher price is equal to better quality.
Let them buy whatever they want.
Maybe it is their opinion that Monster cables are the best and higher price is equal to better quality.
Let them buy whatever they want.
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- bst
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Wow, I can't believe you had a false sense of entitlement to tell others what they can buy with their money. This doesn't apply to monster cable only, this applies to anything that has a price discrepancy. Give you an example, a customer choose to buy more expensive milk from whole foods, but the customer could get the same product in no frills for cheaper. How awkward would it be to tell someone you don't know how to spend their money?
I really think the overall RFD atmosphere is influencing you. With all the bashing of FS and monster cables on the forums, you felt like you had to the world a favor
I really think the overall RFD atmosphere is influencing you. With all the bashing of FS and monster cables on the forums, you felt like you had to the world a favor
- NG
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I voted talk loudly.
I've done that before and when the guy heard he could get the same DVD recorder on sale for about $50 off at another store he seemed quite happy to "over hear" what I told him.
I agree that most advice that isn't sought also isn't welcome however if I happen to talk loudly to my buddy whose with me then it's not advice - it's random floating information (and, like I said, he was happy to stumble across that info).
On that note if anyone wants to watch the US Sci-Fi network or Comedy Central after posting this thread I'll be booting up the TVU player
I've done that before and when the guy heard he could get the same DVD recorder on sale for about $50 off at another store he seemed quite happy to "over hear" what I told him.
I agree that most advice that isn't sought also isn't welcome however if I happen to talk loudly to my buddy whose with me then it's not advice - it's random floating information (and, like I said, he was happy to stumble across that info).
On that note if anyone wants to watch the US Sci-Fi network or Comedy Central after posting this thread I'll be booting up the TVU player
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- inmyturret
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- Aug 11, 2008
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If it had been my grandmother you were helping out, I would have thanked you.
She just got new HD TV. Not being very tech-literate (so can't use the internet to look up this information), she would be relying on the salesperson for advice. Thankfully she somehow walked out with a cheaper cable, I guess even the salesperson didn't want to rip off an 85 year old woman.
She just got new HD TV. Not being very tech-literate (so can't use the internet to look up this information), she would be relying on the salesperson for advice. Thankfully she somehow walked out with a cheaper cable, I guess even the salesperson didn't want to rip off an 85 year old woman.
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