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blaznazn22 wrote:
Sep 10th, 2017 4:27 pm
Im not sure where the government is getting the funds to pay for this subsidy. If it's carbon taxes or gasoline car registration fees then I'm completely fine with that. There is a cost of pollution and it's time ICE cars paid their fair share without getting constant subsidies.
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FAQ on EV plan:
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/vehicl ... -faq.shtml

Here are the details on the funding sources and plan:
https://www.ontario.ca/page/climate-change-action-plan

This is a really huge deal, people should be proud of this initiative.
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aqnd wrote:
Sep 10th, 2017 4:41 pm
There is a very low, if not 0% chance of the current rebate lasting 5 years.
If any rebate exists in 5, it will be reduced.
At the rate prices have been falling, it won't matter as you'll likely pay less in 5 years without a rebate than you do now with one.
how about within 3 years?
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Depends if you think liberal will be re elected in the spring.
If no, then no. If yes, then maybe.
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blaznazn22 wrote:
Sep 10th, 2017 6:51 pm
how about within 3 years?
Fantastic used EV's will be available off lease in 3 years, your choices will be far more than we have today.
While I don't recommend waiting to get into an EV, at least you are considering it, thanks.

As for rebates, they are helpful now, but with battery technology and prices dropping 9% yearly, the compound effect will be to dramatically drop the price of new EV's over time.

Europe and China are legislating electric mobility, for environmental, health and productivity reasons.
In Europe, it's a counter to extremely poorly thought out advantages given to diesel cars over 20 year period, with VW and (many) other emissions cheating diesel car makers gaining huge financial advantage.
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SmartElectric wrote:
Sep 10th, 2017 7:29 pm
Fantastic used EV's will be available off lease in 3 years, your choices will be far more than we have today.
While I don't recommend waiting to get into an EV, at least you are considering it, thanks.

As for rebates, they are helpful now, but with battery technology and prices dropping 9% yearly, the compound effect will be to dramatically drop the price of new EV's over time.

Europe and China are legislating electric mobility, for environmental, health and productivity reasons.
In Europe, it's a counter to extremely poorly thought out advantages given to diesel cars over 20 year period, with VW and (many) other emissions cheating diesel car makers gaining huge financial advantage.
you're probably right about used EV's in 3 years. The incentives are causing a flood of cheap EV's on the used market, plus the fact that people don't trust batteries on EV's will mean the prices will be even lower. Hopefully I can get my hands on a 2017 bolt in 2020 for $12k all in lol.
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blaznazn22 wrote:
Sep 10th, 2017 8:53 pm
you're probably right about used EV's in 3 years. The incentives are causing a flood of cheap EV's on the used market, plus the fact that people don't trust batteries on EV's will mean the prices will be even lower. Hopefully I can get my hands on a 2017 bolt in 2020 for $12k all in lol.
Your wish may come true to some degree.

China wants to ban gas and diesel cars

China will drive down the cost of battery so low that EV will be competitive with gas powered car soon.
and they have the capital, manufacturing capacity, technology know how to achieve it.
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aqnd wrote:
Sep 10th, 2017 4:41 pm
There is a very low, if not 0% chance of the current rebate lasting 5 years.
If any rebate exists in 5, it will be reduced.
At the rate prices have been falling, it won't matter as you'll likely pay less in 5 years without a rebate than you do now with one.
I would tend to agree with you accept that the rebates restrictions were actually loosened this year so who knows what will happen.

That said, I think you are right and that chances are probably likely that in 3-5 years the rebates will be gone. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of tax exemption to replace it but that might be it.
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SmartElectric wrote:
Sep 10th, 2017 7:29 pm
Fantastic used EV's will be available off lease in 3 years, your choices will be far more than we have today.
While I don't recommend waiting to get into an EV, at least you are considering it, thanks.

As for rebates, they are helpful now, but with battery technology and prices dropping 9% yearly, the compound effect will be to dramatically drop the price of new EV's over time.

Europe and China are legislating electric mobility, for environmental, health and productivity reasons.
In Europe, it's a counter to extremely poorly thought out advantages given to diesel cars over 20 year period, with VW and (many) other emissions cheating diesel car makers gaining huge financial advantage.
It's funny. I looked at prices of used 2014 smart electric cars and the price is around $11-$14k! The gasoline smart fortwo are much less, some of them priced as low as $5k-$8k.
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Regular Car Reviews just did a youtube video on the Bolt (and electric cars in general).
"On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” -HL Mencken
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With more and more countries announcing the ban on sell of new petrol and diesel vehicles in the future and pushing for EV's, i am wondering what will be the future of gas stations say after 15 years from now? Or they all will turn into charging stations and start charging $20 for a charge?
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hagbard wrote:
Sep 11th, 2017 12:49 pm
Regular Car Reviews just did a youtube video on the Bolt (and electric cars in general).

Issues:
  • Tesla is creating a universal charging standard: Tesla's the one that didn't adopt an industry-wide standard and went with their own plug (and only in North America. In Europe, they're forced to use the Mennekes connector). Every other manufacturer uses J1772 for AC and CCS or CHAdeMO for DC fast charging. Tesla themselves joined the CCS group last year.
  • Someone can disconnect your charge: most other EVs lock the plug when actively charging, only allowing it to be disconnected once charging is complete.
    caraj4u wrote:
    Sep 11th, 2017 12:57 pm
    With more and more countries announcing the ban on sell of new petrol and diesel vehicles in the future and pushing for EV's EVs, i am wondering what will be the future of gas stations say after 15 years from now? Or they all will turn into charging stations and start charging $20 for a charge?
    There's little point in pondering what will happen in 15 years. EVs still make up a tiny fraction of vehicle sales (~1% worldwide) and most of these bans are on sales of new ICE vehicles only. The resale market will exist for a long time. As for pricing, there's no way they'll get away with charging $20 for $2-4 worth of electricity. The various DCFC charging stations funded by the Ontario government that charge outrageous fees like $15-$20/session + usage in turn see little to no usage (going by EV forum and PlugShare check ins).
Home automation, NOVO (HiFi) Magazine, Google Trusted Photographer, electric vehicles.
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caraj4u wrote:
Sep 11th, 2017 12:57 pm
With more and more countries announcing the ban on sell of new petrol and diesel vehicles in the future and pushing for EV's, i am wondering what will be the future of gas stations say after 15 years from now? Or they all will turn into charging stations and start charging $20 for a charge?
There are over 250 million registered vehicles in the USA and over 25 million in Canada. When you add in things like gas powered lawn mowers, snow blowers, weed wackers, ski-doos, boats, etc, etc, it will be a lot longer than 15 years before gas stations go out of business.

They might start to see volumes drop and closing low traffic locations, but they'll still be around in 15 yrs.
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JPTN wrote:
Sep 11th, 2017 1:18 pm

[*]Someone can disconnect your charge: most other EVs lock the plug when actively charging, only allowing it to be disconnected once charging is complete.
The Volt sounds an alarm if the charger is disconnected while teh doors are locked. This is a user configurable option. I'm sure the Bolt has it.

Who would want to disconnect your charger? It's not like they can move your car out of the way to use the charging spot.
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mr_raider wrote:
Sep 11th, 2017 4:23 pm
Who would want to disconnect your charger? It's not like they can move your car out of the way to use the charging spot.
Very often charging cables are long enough to reach adjacent spots. I have unplugged a fully charged Volt (they have a charge amount on top of dash) once to charge my car when this was required.
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SmartElectric wrote:
Sep 11th, 2017 5:17 pm
Very often charging cables are long enough to reach adjacent spots. I have unplugged a fully charged Volt (they have a charge amount on top of dash) once to charge my car when this was required.
But if the adjacent spot is free? it has it's own charging cable?

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